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[QUOTE=Macarranza21;2331334]Haven't been to cermak in a long time. I like from Pulaski to western area. Washtenaw used to be the spot. Not sure if its the weather?
Not as many out there as before. Did spot a few cute white girls. Trisha, very nice. Took the time, no rush. Definitely worth the thirty.
Cermak definitely is got some nice potential.[/QUOTE]My mistake posting twice.
Also spotted missy by cermak and Rockwell by burger king.
5'4 black hair. Real cute. 30 $ was worth it as well.
Around 12 pm WSW blond, cute, nice ass.
Took a mediterranean trip with her. Put me back 100, but.
Those kind of trips usually are more expensive. Saved money on the motel since she lived near by.
I met with a WSW named Olga north on cic. She said she was half Polish and german. Seemed to be in her 30's, face was Ok a little wear but you can overlook it. Nice ass and from what I could tell she also had a nice rack once you take off the clothes. She quoted. 4 for CBJ but I talked her down so she's willing to negotiate. Wasn't rushed and I enjoyed myself.
[QUOTE=Macarranza21;2331334]Haven't been to cermak in a long time. I like from Pulaski to western area. Washtenaw used to be the spot. Not sure if its the weather?
Not as many out there as before. Did spot a few cute white girls. Trisha, very nice. Took the time, no rush. Definitely worth the thirty.
Cermak definitely is got some nice potential.[/QUOTE]I never had luck on Cermak so what is a good time to look.
Saw this girl back on 47th again. I knew her a few years back and heard she was stealing from guys. Watch out guys, she's really hot, young fast and good. Never did have a dream with her! She recently had a baby so she is probably desperate. Unless she gave up the kid.
I heard about jolene. A lot better than she used to be on north ave. Will repeat. Seniors pm me- have digits.
Valine. Nice little girl about 30, short 5'5, maybe 135. Nice work nice everything! Get some of the winter wear off and she looks hot. Have digits. Seniors only!
Both of these girls are unstable but worth dreaming about. Phones are hit or miss.
[QUOTE=OldAndInTheWay;2335474]Saw this girl back on 47th again. I knew her a few years back and heard she was stealing from guys. Watch out guys, she's really hot, young fast and good. Never did have a dream with her! She recently had a baby so she is probably desperate. Unless she gave up the kid.[/QUOTE]Yep, that is Miss Cash & Dash. She got me probably several years ago. She got into a white van and I caught up to them and chased them all over the Midway area. They almost got into several accidents and even went the wrong way down a one way street. I cornered them and then it looked like the guy had a gun so needless to say for the lousy $30 it was not worth going that far into it. I just wanted to let them know that guys will know what they are up to. I saw her walking again few months later and she tried to flag me down, but the only flag she got was the one finger salute.
So needless to say if you see here, just let her keep walking.
No luck this afternoon, thought there might be some out with the nice weather but I saw nothing.
Drove over to this area after work since I drove to work. Drove around for a bit and found a young thick black chick in some pink tight pants with booty looking so juicy in it. Pulled over and asked her if she wanted a ride. Initially thought I would just get a BJ from her but I have had FS in a while so took her to a room and pounded her from the back in doggy, had her lay on her stomach while still pounding it, then we both just layed in the bed while I was caressing those thick legs. Then hit it mish for a while while her legs were wrapped around me. Then had her get on her stomach again and had her clap her cheeks til I released my seed on her cheeks. Would def repeat.
I have been cruising 47th for many years and have developed my own opinions, which those reading msy agree or disagree with. I have, on occasion, seen some absolutely beautiful girls on 47th, especially between Archer and Pulaski. I'm talking Hollywood quality, not SW rated. But if you see one, there's a good chance that she is a thief and there will be no sex involved. I picked up a young hottie last summer on Cicero. Her scam was for me to give her room rent for the Midway, then meet her in the room. I immediately dropped her off. Another truly gorgeous blonde wanted $100 for a BJ and refused to negotiate. I thought the price was outrageous and didn't trust her, anyway. I know I'm being really negative. But if you find yourself ecstatic because you have picked yourself a blonde or brunette hottie, I am merely suggesting you carefully guard your cash. Ask yourself what 10 is doing on the street instead of posting on BP or Craigslist and making big money.
Reporting, I spotted a too good to be true young over 18 ,white gal in a skirt in this weather 3 pm. By 50th and al capones town cisero? She was a 5/5 I swear, I didn't pull the trigger mind you I am a busy guy and figured damn it no time to scout, no way, can't be true, I came with the conclusion either she was coming from the mid wayclinic or I figured she was uncle LEO, which I doubt, gut feeling. But I will say if I was'nt on another mission impossible I would have pulled the bow.
[QUOTE=Ump1969;2337408]I have been cruising 47th for many years and have developed my own opinions, which those reading msy agree or disagree with. I have, on occasion, seen some absolutely beautiful girls on 47th, especially between Archer and Pulaski. I'm talking Hollywood quality, not SW rated. But if you see one, there's a good chance that she is a thief and there will be no sex involved. I picked up a young hottie last summer on Cicero. Her scam was for me to give her room rent for the Midway, then meet her in the room. I immediately dropped her off. Another truly gorgeous blonde wanted $100 for a BJ and refused to negotiate. I thought the price was outrageous and didn't trust her, anyway. I know I'm being really negative. But if you find yourself ecstatic because you have picked yourself a blonde or brunette hottie, I am merely suggesting you carefully guard your cash. Ask yourself what 10 is doing on the street instead of posting on BP or Craigslist and making big money.[/QUOTE]The street does offer certain advantages over BP. Namely, the girl can choose her client by sight and work when she has the need. BP usually requires a hotel and a second person to monitor things.
[QUOTE=Riina;2337480]The street does offer certain advantages over BP. Namely, the girl can choose her client by sight and work when she has the need. BP usually requires a hotel and a second person to monitor things.[/QUOTE]I was not intending to start an argument over the virtues of the street versus BP. Frankly, you can get ripped off either way, based on comments I have read from those who found that what was listed in BP and what showed up at the door were two very different things. My point was that if you find a gem on the street, guard yourself against being ripped off. When a gorgeous girl says she is ready to give you the $20 BJ or will jump your boner for $40, keep your radar up and hope you actually get sex. In my original response, I was actually responding to an earler post about 47th ripoffs. I have been through it personally. Hopefully we learn from our mistakes and pass on good advice to other mongers. Unless there are participants here that actually believe that there are gorgeous girls on the street looking for Prince Charming and fall head over heels in love the moment they climb in your car.
[QUOTE=Riina;2337480]The street does offer certain advantages over BP. Namely, the girl can choose her client by sight and work when she has the need. BP usually requires a hotel and a second person to monitor things.[/QUOTE]Not always true about BP Gals. Some BP Gals have their own place they work out of. Some don't have a second person to handle their appointments. Well the ones I've seen.
[QUOTE=Ump1969;2337791]I was not intending to start an argument over the virtues of the street versus BP. Frankly, you can get ripped off either way, based on comments I have read from those who found that what was listed in BP and what showed up at the door were two very different things. My point was that if you find a gem on the street, guard yourself against being ripped off. When a gorgeous girl says she is ready to give you the $20 BJ or will jump your boner for $40, keep your radar up and hope you actually get sex. In my original response, I was actually responding to an earler post about 47th ripoffs. I have been through it personally. Hopefully we learn from our mistakes and pass on good advice to other mongers. Unless there are participants here that actually believe that there are gorgeous girls on the street looking for Prince Charming and fall head over heels in love the moment they climb in your car.[/QUOTE]Wait you mean I can't find true love? LOL, I agree I have done this for a little bit and with my experience if she is to good to be true she is. On the street the very beautiful one well most need there fix very bad or there BF is waiting for you to rob you. Even some that you have known for years can change. I remember just once and only once a girl that I have been generous with for years text me back after I called her and she told me not to come and she tells me later that her new BF was looking to take my $.
[QUOTE=Davidonecall;2337857]Wait you mean I can't find true love? LOL, I agree I have done this for a little bit and with my experience if she is to good to be true she is. On the street the very beautiful one well most need there fix very bad or there BF is waiting for you to rob you. Even some that you have known for years can change. I remember just once and only once a girl that I have been generous with for years text me back after I called her and she told me not to come and she tells me later that her new BF was looking to take my $.[/QUOTE]At least she was nice enough to warn you of getting robbed.
I was around the 4-7 and the Cic at 11:30 am and I saw a few SW. 1 I seen before was Crystal (tall Crystal). Did not pick her up because you can tell she was trying to get attention. Are the SW coming out during the day because of the heat at night? Wondering.
Scored on Cermak twice in the last few days. Trisha, not bad service. Katie, excellent deep throat, but she couldn't handle the finish.
[QUOTE=Davidonecall;2337874]Are the SW coming out during the day because of the heat at night? Wondering.[/QUOTE]Always have been out during the day. If they're dope sick enough they'll be out in -30 temps, day or night. When ever they need that change in the pocket I guess.
First let me say I have not posted much lately and have become more of a spectator on the forum. I did however happen to dream of a hunting accident out on Cicero and north. I was not out for anything but happen to see a short red head and I mean really short, nice body WSW. From a distance wasn't sure so I pulled up close and asked if she needed a ride. She got in very
nice personality, like able, can tell she had a little age on her. Her small stature leads you to believe she's 20's maybe 30's but face gives away that she's 40's easy. Still not bad looking. CBJ with FIV. Takes direction well. I really wanted to climb in the back but I didn't have time for FS. I am surprised I haven't read much about her here she would be a memorable one for sure if nothing else because she is only 4'7'. No digits sorry.
Looks - 7.
Body - 8.
Performance - 9.
DWill.
New to the area, and after RTFF, have been checking out the four-seven and Cic loop for the last two weeks. Maybe I'm checking it out at the wrong times, (mostly after 7 pm), but I haven't found much. One WSW, 40's, fairly stocky with a tongue ring. Friendly and somewhat accomodating but just so so in the looks department and always super bundled up in guys sweats, hoodies, and boots. Also met Crystal, better looking than the former, but still not anything to write home about. That being said, she gives an amazing DT and I think her skills are exceptional, so got her digits and will use her in a pinch. She referred me to a retired friend, thin former WSW named Megan. Super long hair, pretty beat face, and service was very sub-par although again she was at least friendly and tried. Lastly I have seen some crazy Greek chick mostly late at night, always tripping balls. Any advice would be appreciated since it seems to be slim pickings when I'm out. Feel free to PM me if you're looking to reach out or swap numbers for UTR prospects. Again, being new, right now all I have is Crystal. MILF Man over and out!
The person you are talking about, she calls herself "midge" she is tiny and she hangs out at cicero and Jackson. I hope that helps.
[QUOTE=DWill;2341233]First let me say I have not posted much lately and have become more of a spectator on the forum. I did however happen to dream of a hunting accident out on Cicero and north. I was not out for anything but happen to see a short red head and I mean really short, nice body WSW. From a distance wasn't sure so I pulled up close and asked if she needed a ride. She got in very
nice personality, like able, can tell she had a little age on her. Her small stature leads you to believe she's 20's maybe 30's but face gives away that she's 40's easy. Still not bad looking. CBJ with FIV. Takes direction well. I really wanted to climb in the back but I didn't have time for FS. I am surprised I haven't read much about her here she would be a memorable one for sure if nothing else because she is only 4'7'. No digits sorry.
Looks - 7.
Body - 8.
Performance - 9.
DWill.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=UltraFiend1;2342896]The person you are talking about, she calls herself "midge" she is tiny and she hangs out at cicero and Jackson. I hope that helps.[/QUOTE]Not sure what help I needed. Do you mean her name? I don't care truthfully. But thanks for the name correction. When I see her again I will call her midget but to each his own.
Dwill.
[QUOTE=Davidonecall;2337857]Wait you mean I can't find true love? LOL, I agree I have done this for a little bit and with my experience if she is to good to be true she is. On the street the very beautiful one well most need there fix very bad or there BF is waiting for you to rob you. Even some that you have known for years can change. I remember just once and only once a girl that I have been generous with for years text me back after I called her and she told me not to come and she tells me later that her new BF was looking to take my $.[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you. As a matter of fact, you brought up another subject. I have also been doing this long enough that I have known several girls for quite awhile. That's chancy. They will ALWAYS be needy. I have never known a girl that went from the streets to a successful career or relationship. I'm sure it's probably happened somewhere, but not around me. So you've known a girl for awhile and think you've made a friend for life. Except, that the only times you hear for her is when she needs to "borrow" some money- which will be paid back- next week, when she gets the tax refund, etc. When you pick up on the scam and start refusing her money, you will not hear from her again. I'm sure someone will now respond to me and talk about the wonderful friends they have that they met on the streets. Good for you! But I'd be willing to bet that most girls will be your "friend" only as long as they can milk you for money.
Was out Friday night around 11 pm. Saw a HSW on 47 just west of pulaski. About 5'8 5'9 wearing jeans and a hoodie. Was going out of her way to get attention. Waving And blowing kisses. Had a nice figure from a distance and made the mistake of circling back. Mid length black curly hair. Bad covered BJ that she wanted to haggle from $ down to. 5 for. Again small head prevailed on this one. So I give her the. 5 and after a couple of minutes she is complaining that her mouth is sore and wants me to pay another. 5 for FS. I tell her no dice but if she's tired I'll finish FS for her sake. So we do. Forget her name but she seemed to be hanging around the bar on 47 just west of pulaski on the south side of the street. Avoid. She has sticky hands.
[QUOTE=UltraFiend1;2342896]The person you are talking about, she calls herself "midge" she is tiny and she hangs out at cicero and Jackson. I hope that helps.[/QUOTE]UltraFiend1, wondering have you seen her a lot? Do you have her digits? I care more about service then names because I have seen some girls a few times and it's been a different name every time. I'm interested in that small girl.
[QUOTE=Davidonecall;2345562]UltraFiend1, wondering have you seen her a lot? Do you have her digits? I care more about service then names because I have seen some girls a few times and it's been a different name every time. I'm interested in that small girl.[/QUOTE]David I'm me when you can. She's an interesting catch definitely on my bucket list to see her again but with more time than the first dream. I personally didn't care about her name either which was weird why that was the only response I got in here. Which also leads me to believe that not many guys write about her. I wish she had a phone at the time but I do have some good info that may help you get her quickly.
Dwill.
[QUOTE=Ump1969;2345358]Totally agree with you. As a matter of fact, you brought up another subject. I have also been doing this long enough that I have known several girls for quite awhile. That's chancy. They will ALWAYS be needy. I have never known a girl that went from the streets to a successful career or relationship. I'm sure it's probably happened somewhere, but not around me. So you've known a girl for awhile and think you've made a friend for life. Except, that the only times you hear for her is when she needs to "borrow" some money- which will be paid back- next week, when she gets the tax refund, etc. When you pick up on the scam and start refusing her money, you will not hear from her again. I'm sure someone will now respond to me and talk about the wonderful friends they have that they met on the streets. Good for you! But I'd be willing to bet that most girls will be your "friend" only as long as they can milk you for money.[/QUOTE]Geez Ump, Are you referring to just street girls, or are you mabe implying in some small way that MOST girls, street or not are your friend only if they can milk you? LOL.
I cannot really say I have been in a relationship with a girl ever, who would be the one doing all the giving for long, especially financially speaking. Ex-wife included.
When my job went south so did the relationship. I guess that is just in a woman's DNA.
[QUOTE=Ump1969;2345358]Totally agree with you. As a matter of fact, you brought up another subject. I have also been doing this long enough that I have known several girls for quite awhile. That's chancy. They will ALWAYS be needy. I have never known a girl that went from the streets to a successful career or relationship. I'm sure it's probably happened somewhere, but not around me. So you've known a girl for awhile and think you've made a friend for life. Except, that the only times you hear for her is when she needs to "borrow" some money- which will be paid back- next week, when she gets the tax refund, etc. When you pick up on the scam and start refusing her money, you will not hear from her again. I'm sure someone will now respond to me and talk about the wonderful friends they have that they met on the streets. Good for you! But I'd be willing to bet that most girls will be your "friend" only as long as they can milk you for money.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry but you lend women on the street money hoping to get paid back? You're in the wrong business.
Waffen SS Senior uncle LEO in town 1 a. M unmarked 2015 silver ford fusion mp plates hunting mongers on 4-7 and cicro patrolling the track.
[QUOTE=Fdottt;2345749]I'm sorry but you lend women on the street money hoping to get paid back? You're in the wrong business.[/QUOTE]Not SW you just met but the one that you have seen for a while. You form an understanding. Like if your very short on $ she will see you for. 2 and the next week you help with more to make up from the last. Some ask for loan and you can't see them so you do give here an advanced (or loan) that the next time is way less to make up for the advanced. You have that relationship with them.
[QUOTE=Warlord7;2346169]Waffen SS Senior uncle LEO in town 1 a. M unmarked 2015 silver ford fusion mp plates hunting mongers on 4-7 and cicro patrolling the track.[/QUOTE]Damn I wanted to go out tonight weather isn't terrible.
[QUOTE=Davidonecall;2345562]UltraFiend1, wondering have you seen her a lot? Do you have her digits? I care more about service then names because I have seen some girls a few times and it's been a different name every time. I'm interested in that small girl.[/QUOTE]I will I'm you.
If I bump into her again, I Will get her number for you guys.
[QUOTE=DWill;2345649]David I'm me when you can. She's an interesting catch definitely on my bucket list to see her again but with more time than the first dream. I personally didn't care about her name either which was weird why that was the only response I got in here. Which also leads me to believe that not many guys write about her. I wish she had a phone at the time but I do have some good info that may help you get her quickly.
Dwill.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Genghis2;2345731]Geez Ump, Are you referring to just street girls, or are you mabe implying in some small way that MOST girls, street or not are your friend only if they can milk you? LOL.
I cannot really say I have been in a relationship with a girl ever, who would be the one doing all the giving for long, especially financially speaking. Ex-wife included.
When my job went south so did the relationship. I guess that is just in a woman's DNA.[/QUOTE]You and David both seem to be very judgemental for two people that have never met me. First to David, I made mistakes when I was younger. I did not say I was still making them. Anyone who has been doing this habit for awhilenwho says he is perfect and has never heen ripped off, I will call him a liar to his face. Genghis, this entire firum is about sex and this thread involves street girls. If you want relationship advice, write "Dear Abby". The great majority of women are not streetwalkers. They are not looking for money for sex from every man they meet and the sex is not a business arrangement. Now if you want to judge me and other pisters, I suggest you contact Jackson and apply for "USA Sex Guide Judge". I relate and share my experiences for others. You don't like them, don't read them and do your own thing.
[QUOTE=Ump1969;2348162]You and David both seem to be very judgemental for two people that have never met me. First to David, I made mistakes when I was younger. I did not say I was still making them. Anyone who has been doing this habit for awhilenwho says he is perfect and has never heen ripped off, I will call him a liar to his face. Genghis, this entire firum is about sex and this thread involves street girls. If you want relationship advice, write "Dear Abby". The great majority of women are not streetwalkers. They are not looking for money for sex from every man they meet and the sex is not a business arrangement. Now if you want to judge me and other pisters, I suggest you contact Jackson and apply for "USA Sex Guide Judge". I relate and share my experiences for others. You don't like them, don't read them and do your own thing.[/QUOTE]Ump I don't get it. I have not said anything to you nor have made a negative statement about you. I have also been rob, stolen from, threaten by BF, gun point to rob me, bad service for what I donated for, followed by cars, had my ass out were they have called LEO and I have never denied it or lie about it. I also have made lots of mistakes and continue to do so because well sometimes the lower head thinks first. I don't think I have judge anyone here yet and if I have I should not have done it. I haven't disagree with you, check your posts. Yet you think I said something about you. Please look, you will be able to see I have not attack you nor questioned you. Please if your upset with me PM and we can always talk about it. I know I'm not an expert and there is lots of hobbies with way more experience then me but I think we are a small group and we need to stick together and help each other out.
[QUOTE=Ump1969;2348162]You and David both seem to be very judgemental for two people that have never met me. First to David, I made mistakes when I was younger. I did not say I was still making them. Anyone who has been doing this habit for awhilenwho says he is perfect and has never heen ripped off, I will call him a liar to his face. Genghis, this entire firum is about sex and this thread involves street girls. If you want relationship advice, write "Dear Abby". The great majority of women are not streetwalkers. They are not looking for money for sex from every man they meet and the sex is not a business arrangement. Now if you want to judge me and other pisters, I suggest you contact Jackson and apply for "USA Sex Guide Judge". I relate and share my experiences for others. You don't like them, don't read them and do your own thing.[/QUOTE]Hey Ump, I posted, not to get into a mud slinging match with you, but rather to share my own opinion on the subject. There is NO judging on my part whatsoever. Your money, time, and preferences on how you spend it is totally up to you. No offense was meant.
Dreamed I ran into her for the first time off Manheim and boy was I surprised. She claims to be a former stripper of two different clubs that are in the area and truthfully I can tell that she use to have a stripper body. Body still good though a 10 in my book for SW quality but a 7 is you considered her an everyday civilian so good catch either way. Face was a 8, great attitude and fun to talk with. She's down for everything and not very pushy no complaining and takes direction real well. She's a mix of Irish and Mexican and you can tell she was a beauty in her day. Looks still good, streets haven't worn on her yet. Looks also to be about early 30's so age with a few wrinkles probably knocked her off the pole is my guess. I'm surprised that the area is picking up. She mentioned to me that there 4 other girls out and warned me to stay away from one in particular who apparently the other girls say has worked with her uncle. She also told me that there have been many stings in the area as you may expect but those girls don't move off their spot. Which many experienced mangers know. She said they will walk half block and back and the other girls notice and stay away. She was giving advice as one of her many talkative traits in saying that she tells her clients to drive past her a few times or anyone out there and see if they walk rather than stand and wait. She said that's the best way to tell if it's uncle or not. Again Something experienced guys know but loved her attitude and spunk. With that said she has a time she normally comes out. So I'm me for details if you interested. Seniors only please.
Dwill.
[QUOTE=DWill;2351101]Dreamed I ran into her for the first time off Manheim and boy was I surprised. She claims to be a former stripper of two different clubs that are in the area and truthfully I can tell that she use to have a stripper body. Body still good though a 10 in my book for SW quality but a 7 is you considered her an everyday civilian so good catch either way. Face was a 8, great attitude and fun to talk with. She's down for everything and not very pushy no complaining and takes direction real well. She's a mix of Irish and Mexican and you can tell she was a beauty in her day. Looks still good, streets haven't worn on her yet. Looks also to be about early 30's so age with a few wrinkles probably knocked her off the pole is my guess. I'm surprised that the area is picking up. She mentioned to me that there 4 other girls out and warned me to stay away from one in particular who apparently the other girls say has worked with her uncle. She also told me that there have been many stings in the area as you may expect but those girls don't move off their spot. Which many experienced mangers know. She said they will walk half block and back and the other girls notice and stay away. She was giving advice as one of her many talkative traits in saying that she tells her clients to drive past her a few times or anyone out there and see if they walk rather than stand and wait. She said that's the best way to tell if it's uncle or not. Again Something experienced guys know but loved her attitude and spunk. With that said she has a time she normally comes out. So I'm me for details if you interested. Seniors only please.
Dwill.[/QUOTE]OK, I'm interested. Got to find other options, since BIke Room is shut down. Details, please?
Met a new girl, lysa, couple of weeks ago. Sorry about the delay here. She's a real goodie, small, lots of nationalities, 8 out of 10 on the looks scale. Skills are like a housewives, but she's getting more practice. Very willing. 47th and cicero. Seniors only. Digits are here.
[QUOTE=Genghis2;2349002]Hey Ump, I posted, not to get into a mud slinging match with you, but rather to share my own opinion on the subject. There is NO judging on my part whatsoever. Your money, time, and preferences on how you spend it is totally up to you. No offense was meant.[/QUOTE]If I misunderstood either you or David, I apologize. Go back and look at what you said. But I have been known to make a few mistakes in my life (LOL). Now that we seem to be on the same page, let's remember that my original comments were in response to someone that had been ripped off on 47th. It has happened to me, the reason for my comments. Learning by mistake can be both dangerous and costly, but I'm still here. I'm assuming most mongers are not rolling in cash or they would not ge trolling the streets- although I realize there are some that are mere thrill seekers. Mongers are individuals and all have their own reasons for being out there. But there are certain things that apply to most SW's. They are out there for money. Some hate men because they have been abused. This means they feel no guilt over ripping you off. Furthermore, they know you're not going to run to the cops. I'm sorry if my negativity bothers anyone. I apologize deeply if I am disturbing anyone's fantasy of finding love on the streets. But s-t happens to those that don't follow rules long posted on this forum. Just a few eeeks ago, a monger oicked up an SW on 47th and let her direct him to a home in the neighborhood where the BF robbed him. Mongers can get robbed, beaten, arrested and even killed in addition to being ripped off. That is why I urge mongers to be reakistic about this hobby. We want the penis taken care of. They want cash whether they serve us or not. This might not be true 100% of the time. But we might be better off assuming it is.