Seeking Arrangements (SA)

Magnificent post, sir. I concur with all of your assessments. I'm not married, and in decent shape, but I'm old, short, average to below average looking, poorly hung, and not rich. It does take a lot of work. Especially the younger girls, because a lot of them are extremely flaky / immature / emotionally unstable, and they come to SA and get completely overwhelmed by guys being rude and crude and run away screaming. But there are diamonds in the rough, needles in the haystack. It just takes patience and a willingness to understand that sometimes you're going to get ghosted, as the kids say, for no reason whatsoever. I mean, yes, they want money, but they do also want to be treated with respect and courtesy, made to feel important and worthwhile, special, because they don't typically get that from guys their own age. Or even decent conversation.

[QUOTE=GaltGuy;4506862]It takes a crap-ton of work, time, money and dead ends, but there are incredible finds on SA. Warning to the newbies: in oilman terms, you have to drill a bunch of dry holes to find one geyser. My latest geyser: 24 years old, grad student. 5'10", mostly fit, with a great ass and DDs. Has two completely free days per week. She's not off the charts kinky, but she loves sex. And, until me, wasn't getting any recently. (Long, but believable, explanation.) She is new to the game, expects no cash. And is simply appreciative of being doted on and spoiled. Flowers, two (fu*k) trips, essentially an "all you can eat"membership to her salon. Any time I give her cash she gets uncomfortable. She comes from a wealthy family, so she's not trying to feed a habit, pay her bills or raise her 4 kids. And she wants to meet more frequently than I do! I HAVE lost 5 lbs recently, but I don't think it's my 6 pack abs that she wants.

This is an example about attitude. My experience is that using the right attitude to my communications and M / Gs increases my odds of attracting emotionally healthy girls who are mostly in the sugar bowl for the thrill / ego of it-not to pay the bills. In talking to these girls, I am amazed at the number of guys who approach them in a crude and explicit manner. In my experience, even the outright hookers on SA (Echelle, for example) are so much more receptive when I pretend that we aren't transacting business in the world's oldest profession. A little respect and kindness pays dividends.

I'm not trying to be preachy or pretend that I've discovered some magic formula. Au contraire. I'm just (1) bragging, because I don't have anyone else I can tell and (2) sharing my experience with any of you guys who may not be getting your desired results from SA.

I am in my 50's, fat, mostly bald and have a remarkably average package. I'm not the richest guy on this website. I'm married, so I have restrictions on my meeting times. All of these hurdles are surmountable, even with the hottest of girls.

(Freebie: there is an 18 year old cutie at the Waffle House on Chapman Highway who loves attention from 50 year old fat guys who over-tip. $30 at the Waffle House is equivalent to about $150 of USAAC dollars. Works weekends only, when they have a hostess.)

(I just noticed: this is my 500th post. Cheers to me! And thanks to A2 and all the folks who help make this hobby functional, safe and fun. )[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AnExplorer40;4510370]Hello:

Does anyone know anything about hotmama31430.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/703ca5e7-8ca9-45b7-973a-9f474d1e2dcd[/URL]

She seems fairly aggressive in her approach to me (first message, etc.) so maybe UTR / PRO vibe.

Stay safe.

Anexplorer40.[/QUOTE]She is very eager and upfront. But she is a smoker. And I got her to send me a pic that showed her teeth. Hard pass.

[QUOTE=FirstDude1968;4511686]She is very eager and upfront. But she is a smoker. And I got her to send me a pic that showed her teeth. Hard pass.[/QUOTE]This one and her friend have put the full court press on me. I was tempted but started thinking with the right head. I may schedule a meeting but on my terms.

[QUOTE=FirstDude1968;4511686]She is very eager and upfront. But she is a smoker. And I got her to send me a pic that showed her teeth. Hard pass.[/QUOTE]She kik'd Me this morning offering doubles with her friend. Would need to meet at her friends place in Harriman. I asked about donation and she said she was hoping I would make offer. I offered 1 each and then went silent. Still on the fence about her being legit.

I have read Milfman's post below about 20 times! If I offer a hot coed 200 after our initial meet she goes silent. I'm going to read the below 10 more times and then try again.

It's difficult to say whether or not it is "expensive" without a context of the amount of time received for that service, regardless of how hot the gal is perceived to be. You have guys paying $$ per hour for essentially, streetwalkers with room for the night, bonafide grannies _ real grandmas, women in their 40's with so much plastic surgery they don't look feminine any more, gals supporting serious substance habits, gal with extensive arrest records, BBWs _ regardless of age _ charging by the pound, and even worse than all of that. The pro providers charge what they do because somebody will pay it, not necessarily dudes on this board, but somebody is paying what they request. Expensive is a relative term anyway, but I always strive to get as much as possible of a quality product for as little as spent as possible.

I pontificated on this rate issue in the UTR Thread but I'll flesh it out a bit more here. SA takes more work than many of you are willing to or have the time to put into it. If you don't have the time, just go to a pro ho and pay by the hour. Gals on SA don't consider themselves sex workers in the traditional sense. ,. , but we know that they are because they are ultimately selling pussy. SA and professional providers are different enough such that the rates between the two groups cannot be reliably compared. I've been using SA heavily for over seven years and focus on the ladies ages 22-35, spinner to athletic build. All height and weight proportionate, and those claiming to be students, single moms, and / or those in lower paying jobs just want to make ends meet. My search criteria excludes women outside those basic demographics. I usually spend multiple hours with SBs per week. I have a lot of success with the cheerleader, stripper and TwynPeeks / Huuters types for those in their 20's, and the hot MILF, single mom type for those in the 30-35 range.

I don't make any initial offers, and simply ask what they expect to get for their time (time spent in the sheets, not time spent watching Netflix or having a meal out together). I expect them to have done some type of research. With so many options available, I resort to "No thanks" often and quickly; they generally come back around shortly after. For the Knoxville, TN area on SA, my average per hour has been 62.50 and I've never given a gal on SA more than 100 per hour regardless of how hot she is (recall, I ask what she expects to get for her time).

After meeting successfully several times, I often transition them to a monthly allowance for an amount which they offer. I maintain more than one SB at a time. For example, if one of them asks for 500 per month, I'm getting at least 8 hours of visits out of her during that month; usually many more hours than that. I consider the monthly the way to go and I have clear expectations of what I expect (a couple of gals at 500/ month has worked wonders). Anything approaching the provider hourly average for this area (roughly 185 per hour), I'd just go to a pro ho on an as-needed basis and would never pay that to a gal on SA.

We don't all pay the same to the same professional providers, so that's no different for SA either. I do, however, believe in tipping generously for excellent service and treatment (which isn't included in the average per hour quoted above). The illusion of scarcity blinds guys from using innovative approaches to finding quality, perceived low-volume women, who are merely trying to make ends meet and are not looking at being a provider as a profession. You won't find the bulk of those advertised anywhere. I appreciate the pro hos wholeheartedly, but with enough pre-work and due diligence, you really won't need to deal with pro hos and those types of rates on a regular basis. I fully expect your experience to be different than mine, so it's within the true spirit of YMMV.

Know before you go.

Milfman.

[QUOTE=KnoxOldGuy;4514116]She kik'd Me this morning offering doubles with her friend. Would need to meet at her friends place in Harriman. I asked about donation and she said she was hoping I would make offer. I offered 1 each and then went silent. Still on the fence about her being legit.[/QUOTE]I met her friend on SA. We texted back and forth. She said she and her friend would do doubles for $ 500. I declined and advised her that was pricey!

[QUOTE=KnoxOldGuy;4514298]I have read Milfman's post below about 20 times! If I offer a hot coed 200 after our initial meet she goes silent. I'm going to read the below 10 more times and then try again. [/QUOTE]It's always a case of YMMV, so don't let my process mess up your process. I never make an offer, no reason to do so. It is her job to impress you. ,. , you can let her think that it's a mutual job interview. ,. , but you have the gold so she'd better be on her A game. Her silence is doing you a favor, move on to the next. Way too many options out there.

Stay safe,

Milfman.

[QUOTE=MilfMan865;4515582]It's always a case of YMMV, so don't let my process mess up your process. I never make an offer, no reason to do so. It is her job to impress you. ,. , you can let her think that it's a mutual job interview. ,. , but you have the gold so she'd better be on her A game. Her silence is doing you a favor, move on to the next. Way too many options out there.

Stay safe,

Milfman.[/QUOTE]I have learned enough to know it's not a one size fits all. From my personal experiences it definitely depends on the interaction. If you're a jerk or the conversation is awkward it's probably going to cost you more. Seeking or any utr for that matter takes a bit more work. I'm honestly being a bit more selective this time around. I'm really searching for something I can develop into a long term thing.

[QUOTE=BBtie72;4481976][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/384939ba-8735-40b2-9241-19f59c344977[/URL]

This one was on a couple years ago and gone. If anyone remembers her or any information let me know.[/QUOTE]If anyone has any additional insight on this one I'd appreciate it. I'm currently writing her off as a scam. I've spent more time on her than I should just because I have a redhead weakness. Every time I suggest a meeting she wants Money transfer upfront. I know she's a real person from social media accounts but probably a cash and dash. I guess I wasted too much time here with better options but you live and learn.

[QUOTE=BBtie72;4515704]If anyone has any additional insight on this one I'd appreciate it. I'm currently writing her off as a scam. I've spent more time on her than I should just because I have a redhead weakness. Every time I suggest a meeting she wants Money transfer upfront. I know she's a real person from social media accounts but probably a cash and dash. I guess I wasted too much time here with better options but you live and learn.[/QUOTE]Any that want money wired etc are a scam.

[QUOTE=BBtie72;4515704]If anyone has any additional insight on this one I'd appreciate it. I'm currently writing her off as a scam. I've spent more time on her than I should just because I have a redhead weakness. Every time I suggest a meeting she wants Money transfer upfront. I know she's a real person from social media accounts but probably a cash and dash. I guess I wasted too much time here with better options but you live and learn.[/QUOTE]Same. Waste of time. Attention seeking and that's all.

[QUOTE=DrJack51;4515816]Same. Waste of time. Attention seeking and that's all.[/QUOTE]Appreciate the confirmation. I just hate I put others on back burner for that bullshit.

Anyone else get the SA Survey email? Clicked it for grins and the first questions is: Full Name.

As if.

I was in Pigeon Forge several times last month and had meets planned with multiple girls from SA. Making one post because it is easier and I figure I have made enough short, quick posts over the years that it won't kill me to NOT pad my post count.

The girl I was most looking forward to meeting was a big girl with dark hair and eyes, but pretty as could be. She lives west of Knoxville, but was willing to travel east. I'd been in daily contact with her for over 3 weeks. She came up the day of our meeting and claimed to be sick and canceled. She reached out to me a couple days later and apologized, saying she decided that she just couldn't go through with being a SB. That she needed the money, but not bad enough to do what she had planned. Seems legit because she hasn't logged into SA in over 3 weeks.

On another day, had a lunch and afternoon fun scheduled with Cali2 TN. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/5bacde4b-d05f-4948-a17b-73f5264e11c4[/URL] She's a blonde Latina with a thick body, but I wouldn't consider her very big. Although, keep in mind that I appreciate bigger girls. Had been in touch with her almost every day for 3 weeks as well. She started ghosting me 2 days before we had planned to meet. So, that was a no go.

I contacted ClairaBaby who I had been in touch with as a fall back. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e7f32122-6f69-413f-a980-4e1e731cde32[/URL] She wanted 300 firm to meet, paid up front, with her making the point that after she was paid, she had the right to leave whenever she wanted. Sounded like she was being very up front about being a cash and dash, so I passed on her.

Reached out to xxDiannaxx in Seymour who I have met before. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b8c2f390-71c2-4ed0-beec-4471f28a1c54[/URL] She agreed to meet, but only a QV because she was going clubbing that night. And she wanted 200 for the QV, so I passed.

I did meet a very curvy Latina whose profile is SweetKittyinTN. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/488e935c-6155-499c-88f1-594d2f29b3e6[/URL] Bigger girl, but sweet and fun. We had a very long, unrushed and relaxed meeting. We met. We made small talk for over an hour. We fucked for 4 or 5 hours. I slept until noon the next day. Her roommate gave her a ride to meet me and she had planned to use a ride share back home, but I ended up driving her home. She has maintained contact every day since we met. Admission was 200 and tip. Not the best-looking girl, but she was A LOT of fun. Probably the second-best blowjob I've ever had. Her head game was about as good as Amber on Middlebrook. Amber looks a hell of a lot sexier while she does it, but the skill level was similar. My only concern with her going forward is if our schedules will match up to meet when I'm in town and her getting too clingy.

And with so many other meetings being a bust, I reached out to my old reliable sweetsugarlovebug. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/601c44a0-9a53-49ed-9f5e-40147921317d[/URL] As I've said on the forums, she's big and attractive, if not a knockout, and she's by far the most reliable girl I've ever found on SA. As on many occasions, I sent her a text, asked what she was doing and if she wanted to meet. She agreed to meet me in a couple hours. And for 3 hours, I had her handcuffed to the bed while I slapped, spanked, flogged, and fucked her, with her asking for more the entire time.

Claria and Diane are friends and I think live together as she has driven her to see me once! But I would love to visit the other two you have seen my self! Great review by the way! LB

[QUOTE=TricitiesGuy;4517710]I was in Pigeon Forge several times last month and had meets planned with multiple girls from SA. Making one post because it is easier and I figure I have made enough short, quick posts over the years that it won't kill me to NOT pad my post count.

The girl I was most looking forward to meeting was a big girl with dark hair and eyes, but pretty as could be. She lives west of Knoxville, but was willing to travel east. I'd been in daily contact with her for over 3 weeks. She came up the day of our meeting and claimed to be sick and canceled. She reached out to me a couple days later and apologized, saying she decided that she just couldn't go through with being a SB. That she needed the money, but not bad enough to do what she had planned. Seems legit because she hasn't logged into SA in over 3 weeks.

On another day, had a lunch and afternoon fun scheduled with Cali2 TN. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/5bacde4b-d05f-4948-a17b-73f5264e11c4[/URL] She's a blonde Latina with a thick body, but I wouldn't consider her very big. Although, keep in mind that I appreciate bigger girls. Had been in touch with her almost every day for 3 weeks as well. She started ghosting me 2 days before we had planned to meet. So, that was a no go.

I contacted ClairaBaby who I had been in touch with as a fall back. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e7f32122-6f69-413f-a980-4e1e731cde32[/URL] She wanted 300 firm to meet, paid up front, with her making the point that after she was paid, she had the right to leave whenever she wanted. Sounded like she was being very up front about being a cash and dash, so I passed on her.

Reached out to xxDiannaxx in Seymour who I have met before. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b8c2f390-71c2-4ed0-beec-4471f28a1c54[/URL] She agreed to meet, but only a QV because she was going clubbing that night. And she wanted 200 for the QV, so I passed.

I did meet a very curvy Latina whose profile is SweetKittyinTN. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/488e935c-6155-499c-88f1-594d2f29b3e6[/URL] Bigger girl, but sweet and fun. We had a very long, unrushed and relaxed meeting. We met. We made small talk for over an hour. We fucked for 4 or 5 hours. I slept until noon the next day. Her roommate gave her a ride to meet me and she had planned to use a ride share back home, but I ended up driving her home. She has maintained contact every day since we met. Admission was 200 and tip. Not the best-looking girl, but she was A LOT of fun. Probably the second-best blowjob I've ever had. Her head game was about as good as Amber on Middlebrook. Amber looks a hell of a lot sexier while she does it, but the skill level was similar. My only concern with her going forward is if our schedules will match up to meet when I'm in town and her getting too clingy.

And with so many other meetings being a bust, I reached out to my old reliable sweetsugarlovebug. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/601c44a0-9a53-49ed-9f5e-40147921317d[/URL] As I've said on the forums, she's big and attractive, if not a knockout, and she's by far the most reliable girl I've ever found on SA. As on many occasions, I sent her a text, asked what she was doing and if she wanted to meet. She agreed to meet me in a couple hours. And for 3 hours, I had her handcuffed to the bed while I slapped, spanked, flogged, and fucked her, with her asking for more the entire time.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=TricitiesGuy;4517710]I did meet a very curvy Latina whose profile is SweetKittyinTN. <snip> We made small talk for over an hour. We fucked for 4 or 5 hours. I slept until noon the next day. Her roommate gave her a ride to meet me and she had planned to use a ride share back home, but I ended up driving her home. She has maintained contact every day since we met. Admission was 200 and tip. Not the best-looking girl, but she was A LOT of fun. Probably the second-best blowjob I've ever had. <snip>[/QUOTE]Well-organized and informative report brother, thanks. Shows the time and consideration needed to play in the Sugar Bowl. Most importantly, you got past the ghosting and bullshyt to find a diamond in the rough (or maybe a rough diamond). You mentioned "smalltalk for an hour" and "f*cked for 4 or 5 hours"; even on the conservative end, your in the sheets time equates to roughly 50/ roses per hour. ,. , that's superb and the beauty of SA for unbeatable bang-for-the-buck (instead of needing to fork over your donation of 200 for a single hour to a traditional escort). Keep up the excellent work.

Happy Hunting,. ,. ,

Milfman.

Has anyone seen or heard from her I seen her a long time ago and was very pleased! LB.

Was one of my first SA finds. Her previous profile had stallion in the name, but she has most certainly elevated her game since I last enjoyed her. Definitely a great girl, can host, and very hot if you are down for brown. Very well spoken and will get to business without a lot of dancing. Kind of wandering why I wondered off seeing her.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e78fddb8-2384-465a-9492-e0bb11df68d0[/URL]

I got a text from her but I've never seen her (sadie baby) Mersadees?

A review would be appreciated if anyone has.

Thanks.

[URL]https://www.eroticmonkey.ch/sadiebaby-escort-knoxville-553752[/URL]#erotic.

In Knoxville. Big boobs. Fun no hurry. Not the best at BJs.

[QUOTE=KnoxOldGuy;4519204]Was one of my first SA finds. Her previous profile had stallion in the name, but she has most certainly elevated her game since I last enjoyed her. Definitely a great girl, can host, and very hot if you are down for brown. Very well spoken and will get to business without a lot of dancing. Kind of wandering why I wondered off seeing her.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e78fddb8-2384-465a-9492-e0bb11df68d0[/URL][/QUOTE]She is a pro. Gets the job done and no drama. But tends to disappear.

Does anyone have her number by chance.

[QUOTE=FirstDude1968;4521605]She is a pro. Gets the job done and no drama. But tends to disappear.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wilson379;4521762]Does anyone have her number by chance.[/QUOTE]Not the latest. She changes phones and profiles more often than most of you change underwear

Please, someone with Secret Benefits, tell me you have contact info for this one. I'm willing to trade multiple numbers for this one:

[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/app/profile/1862b5f604fa5fb3[/URL]

She is con.

[QUOTE=Hobbyist34;4504220]Anyone have info on this one? Been texting with her. She quoted 250. I probably won't pull the trigger unless I can get her negotiated down a little bit.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/de9f56a4-04fe-4ad1-a238-497b9cdc9bfd[/URL][/QUOTE]I spoke with her she messaged my SA account saying she just got out of a relationship with a woman and hadn't been penetrated in 6 years. It sounded like some bullshit but I went along with it. She sent some pics of her and her ex and they both looked butch. Quoted me $$ and was willing to meet me in public 1st but I passed. She isn't my type and mongering IQ tells me that she's not into guys she's just trying to make so quick cash. Obviously all of these providers are in it for the $ but a lot of them still enjoy a good fucking in the process. I don't think this is on of those providers.

Any info on Zuthandra? I deleted my SA profile because of dead ends everywhere I turned but made a new one week later LOL. I have a couple free days coming up and was wanting some company. If anyone has her number I have some I could trade. If anyone has any recommendations I would really appreciate it.

Please feel free to PM me if you have seen her or can give me some info! Thanks LB [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/506da4f3-139f-45c7-adfb-bcf95d25b48f[/URL].

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a2ebda2d-7d83-4ffd-9c9c-8841e84b6cba[/URL]

Even though I live in Asheville, I tend to look in the surrounding area for eager ladies. Looked at this one, exchanged numbers relatively quickly. She seemed cool until she started in on her sob story. When I told her I don't send money electronically, only in person, she offered to send me her personal information, social security number, driver's license, literally anything to get $75 out of me. I finally just stopped replying but IMHO if someone doesn't take no for an answer, they're going to be a basket case down the road and not worth the time or money.

[QUOTE=Laynbody;4525998]Please feel free to PM me if you have seen her or can give me some info! Thanks LB [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/506da4f3-139f-45c7-adfb-bcf95d25b48f[/URL].[/QUOTE]I've not seen her but there are multiple profiles using one of her pics. FYI.

[QUOTE=RobbinHoodz;4526259][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a2ebda2d-7d83-4ffd-9c9c-8841e84b6cba[/URL]

Even though I live in Asheville, I tend to look in the surrounding area for eager ladies. Looked at this one, exchanged numbers relatively quickly. She seemed cool until she started in on her sob story. When I told her I don't send money electronically, only in person, she offered to send me her personal information, social security number, driver's license, literally anything to get $75 out of me. I finally just stopped replying but IMHO if someone doesn't take no for an answer, they're going to be a basket case down the road and not worth the time or money.[/QUOTE]Exactly the same story that I got when I contacted her. Moved on!

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/204726d9-71de-4e1d-b085-df6369a0b699[/URL]

I'm just warning you guys whoever decided to see this girl. I did fuck her the first time we met and everything is cool so I decided to meet up with her again and this time is different. She decided to rob to instead. We went to take a shower together and out of nowhere she punched me in the face and said the the bullshit and she left. I waited 10 minutes and decided to leave the room and she and a guy were waiting outside for me and they demanded money and threat for call a cop. Be careful if you decided to go see her.

Met Tammy on the other site a couple weeks ago. She looked familiar. I believe she advertises on Seeking but under a different name. She's a sweet lady. Likes to please. My dream was pretty dang good. I've wanted to go back but work has kept me out of town. Damage was $ for hhr. I don't have the link be here's a photo.

[QUOTE=SuckMyVols;4528130]Met Tammy on the other site a couple weeks ago. She looked familiar. I believe she advertises on Seeking but under a different name. She's a sweet lady. Likes to please. My dream was pretty dang good. I've wanted to go back but work has kept me out of town. Damage was $ for hhr. I don't have the link be here's a photo.[/QUOTE]Kadiecandoit on SA.

[QUOTE=Jg3786;4528186]Kadiecandoit on SA.[/QUOTE]You guys. Yuck. Bad skin. Bad teeth. Smoker. Do better.

[QUOTE=SlowPokeds;4526469]Exactly the same story that I got when I contacted her. Moved on![/QUOTE]I found her social media after chatting on SA, definitely not interested.

I shared her number with quite a few members a while back. Wondering if anyone has seen her recently? If so PM me please.

[QUOTE=TripJ;4475763]Have a friend that's in need of immediate help. She is on SB but is very UTR and low volume. Will only share with people I have shared with before.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FirstDude1968;4528208]You guys. Yuck. Bad skin. Bad teeth. Smoker. Do better.[/QUOTE]I agree. I was just lending a hand on who she is on SA. Never endorsed her.

Seems like a good day to hit the Peeks. Any TP girls, still on SA?

Beautiful-Amber3.

Any information?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e50bc58c-a6da-39cf-2b33-4f5ecc242ec9[/URL]