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[QUOTE=JRichard;6159988]Check out DIYA, the eastern Indian chick.

I found her on Twitter. At 300-350 (some wiggle room), which is not much more than some of this trash is asking is a good experience. It's also slightly more than some AMPs.

[URL]https://www.diyagfe.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]She's great, pretty, killer BBBJ. She's also very sweet and no attitude at all.

[QUOTE=Raynj;6158744]I just came back from a 2 week vacation in Tijuana and I got spoiled. I got to say the women in south jersey are low quality and wayyy overpriced. Why spend 150 $ for a beat up crackhoe that have been using the same panties for 3 months when you can spend 150 $ in Tijuana and have 3 beautiful clean Latinas that will do anything you want? It amazes me that some of these girls even be posting ads and there is men that be DATY and DATO with these dirty escorts?? Times are rough out here in south jersey.[/QUOTE]I'm looking at TJ myself. Did you fly in or walk across? I'm looking at Zona Notre.

To be fair, in Los Angeles, Seattle and other states out west in the United States the women who walk the street are just as hot but you have to worry about getting arrested and the really pretty street walkers are really nothing more than eye candy because they're instructed to charge for every little thing, you can't touch them really, and too many situations of robberies / set ups. They're hustlers really, they're trying to get the most amount of funds out of john's without doing any real work.

If you're in the United States your best bet is an AMP that has a lineup that let's you choose.

[QUOTE=HunterJay;6159894]I'm thinking about going after High target chicks the ones charging $500 and up all the money I spent dealing with these STG trashy chicks I could've put that money into the high price chicks and had a blast been a while since I had a high price chick.[/QUOTE]I have seen those trashy stg girls and even street walkers on higher end websites. A higher end website with higher donations doesn't actually mean higher quality because anyone can sign up.

And what if you donate a higher amount and she still falls short? The problem is that you're still dealing with American women who generally have the aditude that they're worth way more then what they really are and that you should be grateful that you're even breathing air in the same room as them. This aditude comes out through the service.

The AMP gets the job done if you want clean consistent quality at a decent rate but this only works if you find Asian women attractive.

[QUOTE=Lance547;6160169]I have seen those trashy stg girls and even street walkers on higher end websites. A higher end website with higher donations doesn't actually mean higher quality because anyone can sign up.

And what if you donate a higher amount and she still falls short? The problem is that you're still dealing with American women who generally have the aditude that they're worth way more then what they really are and that you should be grateful that you're even breathing air in the same room as them. This aditude comes out through the service.

The AMP gets the job done if you want clean consistent quality at a decent rate but this only works if you find Asian women attractive.[/QUOTE]I know about rat infestation on the higher end websites I just laugh I'm also extremely picky I pay attention to the words in an ad these chicks with fucked up attitudes tell on themselves in an ad and through communication. I check out their social especially Twitter because I came across high end chicks complaining about not wanting to do certain services but want high rates I'm into Asian chicks but I have to have the urge to see them at first sight I stay away from fast houses like Dollhouse and Etc because of raids.

[QUOTE=Lance547;6160147]I'm looking at TJ myself. Did you fly in or walk across? I'm looking at Zona Notre.

To be fair, in Los Angeles, Seattle and other states out west in the United States the women who walk the street are just as hot but you have to worry about getting arrested and the really pretty street walkers are really nothing more than eye candy because they're instructed to charge for every little thing, you can't touch them really, and too many situations of robberies / set ups. They're hustlers really, they're trying to get the most amount of funds out of john's without doing any real work.

If you're in the United States your best bet is an AMP that has a lineup that let's you choose.[/QUOTE]I flew in. I hate going through customs and I know crossing over into Mexico is easy and less time. It's just coming back into the US that will be the time killer. And zona norte is where most of the action is. Everywhere you walk you see women just standing there waiting for you to talk to them. I'm fluent in Spanish so I can joke around with them and make them more comfortable. Even you don't speak Spanish, sex is a language spoken in every country LOL. Tijuana was a very good time. But now it's back to reality in South Jersey.

[QUOTE=HunterJay;6160603]I know about rat infestation on the higher end websites I just laugh I'm also extremely picky I pay attention to the words in an ad these chicks with fucked up attitudes tell on themselves in an ad and through communication. I check out their social especially Twitter because I came across high end chicks complaining about not wanting to do certain services but want high rates I'm into Asian chicks but I have to have the urge to see them at first sight I stay away from fast houses like Dollhouse and Etc because of raids.[/QUOTE]You're a smart enough monger not to fall for the crackheads who think that advertising on a higher end site makes them high class. The problem with the legit high end girls is what you said. They may not want to do this or that. I am just not going to spend $500 plus for a girl who won't even give a BBBJ. I see no point in that. Some guys will take out a 2nd mortgage for a girl who does nothing just because she is hot. You and I don't play that. I also won't pay for former top end backpage girls who are now on twitter or whatever asking crazy rates. You were a top end 200-250 hr girl on backpage. You were never high end. You are a backpage girl. You might be a little better than the norm but not really that much. But again, too many of our fellow mongers will pay anything for anything.

I can talk any girl down, often way down. But because of fellow idiot mongers I often have to pay their stupid rate for the first time at least before I can work my line of shit.

[QUOTE=Raynj;6161133]I flew in. I hate going through customs and I know crossing over into Mexico is easy and less time. It's just coming back into the US that will be the time killer. And zona norte is where most of the action is. Everywhere you walk you see women just standing there waiting for you to talk to them. I'm fluent in Spanish so I can joke around with them and make them more comfortable. Even you don't speak Spanish, sex is a language spoken in every country LOL. Tijuana was a very good time. But now it's back to reality in South Jersey.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the Intel.

There is nothing wrong with having a good working relationship with these girls. In fact that can often enhance your fun as well as get you service at a lower rate than the asshole seeing her right after you. They prefer a stable repeat customer who always shows up freshly groomed and washed. You are an easier low drama call for them and they want you to see them regularly. This leads to a nice relaxed call that is like seeing a girlfriend. Time limits are rarely enforced and they will take a lower rate in order to have your safe repeat business. If you are at least somewhat good looking you are probably going to have an even better time with literally no limits. If you are a 400 lb dude who looks like a troll living under a bridge all is not lost. You too can enjoy this enhanced experience if you show up acting normal, groomed, washed and not dressed in dirty sweats.

The smart monger gets all these things. The stupid monger pays more for less. A stupid monger can be transformed which is one of the reasons I make these posts. I don't know any of you and in all honesty could really care less about you. But I don't like seeing how some of you are taken advantage of by these girls mostly because you do all the wrong things.

As I said, a good working relationship with these girls is a positive that will help you. But far too many guys go way too far all for nothing and usually end up paying more for worse service. You are not playing the girl. She is playing you. Remember, these girls DO NOT care about you. They care about their drugs, newports and their bum boyfriend. They do not live in the same world as you. I don't care what story they give you. You are just dollar signs in there eyes. They should only be cheap pussy in your eyes and at best you should only be a safe, reliable and maybe, fun call for them. This is the order of things and it all works out better when both parties understand this.

You should not be paying these girls extra thinking it will make your service better. Do not pay their bills, pay for their rooms or take them on errands. You are doing that for NOTHING. In fact it may be making your experience worse. They figure if you are doing all this for them why should they step up their game for you. I can guarantee a smart monger is getting better mileage than you are with that same girl. Do not care about these girls and listen to their stories. They are doing just fine and living how they want to live. They do not want your life. They are happy with theirs. They want your money and anything else they can get out of you. Don't be a sap. Can you just call her up and get a freebie? Of course not. She doesn't really care about you or any of the extra things you have done for her. I have only gotten ONE total freebie ever and will talk about it later.

"But Tailgun, this girl is kinda cool and I like to spend time with her outside the call".

Okay, but there is a right way to do this. You want to take her out for a meal before or after the call at no cost to you for her time that is okay. I did this with a few, mostly in my early mongering days. Most working girls do not know how to act anymore in public but a handful do. This is a great time to learn about working girls in general. I always asked a lot of questions. These girls generally lie about everything but you can get some helpful answers if you ask the right way. Things like how do other girls get over on guys. They will happily spill the beans. Even ask them how they get over and they will proudly tell you. The sad thing is that after you do this with a few girls as well as ones you talk to during calls you see that they are all pretty much the same with the same stories. That's why I don't take them out anymore.

If you do this make sure the girl looks like she could actually be out with you for real. If you are 50 years old in sweats and you have some 21 year old with you in short shorts most will know exactly what she is and a few might think it's your daughter. Be realistic with who you are with in public. Any working girl I was ever out with in public could pass for my girlfriend or wife. If you could care less what it looks like then ignore what I said.

I used to take a girl to the store to get smokes or something after a call, which she paid for, if I knew her already or she did a great call. But I don't even do that anymore. Most of these girls have outstanding warrants anyway so why have to answer questions if some cop pulls you over.

The ones that are best to do things with outside of the call are UTRs. I mean real UTRs. A girl who hasn't posted for years but still sees you and some other old regulars. These girls tend to have kicked their addiction or at least have it under better control. I have two of these that are especially good at hanging out with.

I have one I took to AC for an entire weekend for 200. She let me bang her as many times as I wanted and seemed to enjoy going out and doing things there. She even offered to pay half on the meals but I declined mostly because she actually offered which impressed me. I let her leave the tips. This was the most GFE time I ever had with a provider. Not the kinkiest or wildest or best sex or anything like that. Just the most girlfriend like. There was no difference between her or a non working girl that weekend. I reached out to her a few weeks later and asked if she would do a call for free. She said yes because I had shown her such a good time in AC. That is the one freebie I ever got and she even drove 30 miles to me to do it. I never did any favors for her or paid extra. She has never asked or hinted for any of that and has never given me a sob story. A rarity.

My other one did an overnight in AC for 100. She is also one I will take out for meals or come over to my place and watch movies and chat. I give her anywhere from 40-100 and we usually spend the entire day together with an occasional overnight. This one will sometimes try to get me to do favors and I always say no.

Could I date either one of them. Probably. Would I? First one is almost tempting but absolutely not. They still live in a different world than we do even if they are not as bad as the others. The 2nd one has been trying to move in with me for years. Hell no. The goal must always be to have the best service at the lowest cost with these girls. Do not do them favors. Do not listen to their stories. They do not care about you. Do not waste your time and money caring about them. I especially feel bad for older or more desperate mongers who let these girls move in and they get taken advantage of. That 2nd girl bragged how she drained another guys retirement bank account in 2 months when she lived with him. I have more success and longevity with her because I keep the line between monger and escort in place. If I told you some of the stories I have had seeing 300 different providers in 10 years you would not believe them. Neither would I had they not happened to me.

Keep the line between provider and you in place. Do not care about them and realize they do not care about you. They are comfortable with you and that can be very good. But be a man. Be smart, normal and clean and you will have much better fun in this hobby. I am just a regular guy. But I know how to act.

[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6172867]There is nothing wrong with having a good working relationship with these girls. In fact that can often enhance your fun as well as get you service at a lower rate than the asshole seeing her right after you. They prefer a stable repeat customer who always shows up freshly groomed and washed. You are an easier low drama call for them and they want you to see them regularly. This leads to a nice relaxed call that is like seeing a girlfriend. Time limits are rarely enforced and they will take a lower rate in order to have your safe repeat business. If you are at least somewhat good looking you are probably going to have an even better time with literally no limits. If you are a 400 lb dude who looks like a troll living under a bridge all is not lost. You too can enjoy this enhanced experience if you show up acting normal, groomed, washed and not dressed in dirty sweats.

The smart monger gets all these things. The stupid monger pays more for less. A stupid monger can be transformed which is one of the reasons I make these posts. I don't know any of you and in all honesty could really care less about you. But I don't like seeing how some of you are taken advantage of by these girls mostly because you do all the wrong things.

As I said, a good working relationship with these girls is a positive that will help you. But far too many guys go way too far all for nothing and usually end up paying more for worse service. You are not playing the girl. She is playing you. Remember, these girls DO NOT care about you. They care about their drugs, newports and their bum boyfriend. They do not live in the same world as you. I don't care what story they give you. You are just dollar signs in there eyes. They should only be cheap pussy in your eyes and at best you should only be a safe, reliable and maybe, fun call for them. This is the order of things and it all works out better when both parties understand this.

You should not be paying these girls extra thinking it will make your service better. Do not pay their bills, pay for their rooms or take them on errands. You are doing that for NOTHING. In fact it may be making your experience worse. They figure if you are doing all this for them why should they step up their game for you. I can guarantee a smart monger is getting better mileage than you are with that same girl. Do not care about these girls and listen to their stories. They are doing just fine and living how they want to live. They do not want your life. They are happy with theirs. They want your money and anything else they can get out of you. Don't be a sap. Can you just call her up and get a freebie? Of course not. She doesn't really care about you or any of the extra things you have done for her. I have only gotten ONE total freebie ever and will talk about it later.

"But Tailgun, this girl is kinda cool and I like to spend time with her outside the call".

Okay, but there is a right way to do this. You want to take her out for a meal before or after the call at no cost to you for her time that is okay. I did this with a few, mostly in my early mongering days. Most working girls do not know how to act anymore in public but a handful do. This is a great time to learn about working girls in general. I always asked a lot of questions. These girls generally lie about everything but you can get some helpful answers if you ask the right way. Things like how do other girls get over on guys. They will happily spill the beans. Even ask them how they get over and they will proudly tell you. The sad thing is that after you do this with a few girls as well as ones you talk to during calls you see that they are all pretty much the same with the same stories. That's why I don't take them out anymore.

If you do this make sure the girl looks like she could actually be out with you for real. If you are 50 years old in sweats and you have some 21 year old with you in short shorts most will know exactly what she is and a few might think it's your daughter. Be realistic with who you are with in public. Any working girl I was ever out with in public could pass for my girlfriend or wife. If you could care less what it looks like then ignore what I said.

I used to take a girl to the store to get smokes or something after a call, which she paid for, if I knew her already or she did a great call. But I don't even do that anymore. Most of these girls have outstanding warrants anyway so why have to answer questions if some cop pulls you over.

The ones that are best to do things with outside of the call are UTRs. I mean real UTRs. A girl who hasn't posted for years but still sees you and some other old regulars. These girls tend to have kicked their addiction or at least have it under better control. I have two of these that are especially good at hanging out with.

I have one I took to AC for an entire weekend for 200. She let me bang her as many times as I wanted and seemed to enjoy going out and doing things there. She even offered to pay half on the meals but I declined mostly because she actually offered which impressed me. I let her leave the tips. This was the most GFE time I ever had with a provider. Not the kinkiest or wildest or best sex or anything like that. Just the most girlfriend like. There was no difference between her or a non working girl that weekend. I reached out to her a few weeks later and asked if she would do a call for free. She said yes because I had shown her such a good time in AC. That is the one freebie I ever got and she even drove 30 miles to me to do it. I never did any favors for her or paid extra. She has never asked or hinted for any of that and has never given me a sob story. A rarity.

My other one did an overnight in AC for 100. She is also one I will take out for meals or come over to my place and watch movies and chat. I give her anywhere from 40-100 and we usually spend the entire day together with an occasional overnight. This one will sometimes try to get me to do favors and I always say no.

Could I date either one of them. Probably. Would I? First one is almost tempting but absolutely not. They still live in a different world than we do even if they are not as bad as the others. The 2nd one has been trying to move in with me for years. Hell no. The goal must always be to have the best service at the lowest cost with these girls. Do not do them favors. Do not listen to their stories. They do not care about you. Do not waste your time and money caring about them. I especially feel bad for older or more desperate mongers who let these girls move in and they get taken advantage of. That 2nd girl bragged how she drained another guys retirement bank account in 2 months when she lived with him. I have more success and longevity with her because I keep the line between monger and escort in place. If I told you some of the stories I have had seeing 300 different providers in 10 years you would not believe them. Neither would I had they not happened to me.

Keep the line between provider and you in place. Do not care about them and realize they do not care about you. They are comfortable with you and that can be very good. But be a man. Be smart, normal and clean and you will have much better fun in this hobby. I am just a regular guy. But I know how to act.[/QUOTE]Great post I'm not into taking chicks out on a date I only want to meet at a hotel and get sucked off and fucked that's it I also stop the errand BS it will get someone locked up these chicks want to use a monger to drive to multiple drug spot locations to get drugs these chicks have arrest records they do not care about getting another charge. I have a clean record no convictions or charges not about to risk my life because a chick want to buy drugs but I need some UTR chicks tired of the rats on the escort sites and street chicks are getting worst everyday damn.

Wise beyond words /.

I could have used this advice 5 or 6 years ago. You hit the nail on the head, EXPERT liars.

She did move in, I left my family, and she did drain most of my retirement account over the course of a year.

So folks, I can attest to the truth of this montage.

Never again. I view them as leaches that suck more than fluids, they suck life out of you if given the chance.

[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6172867]There is nothing wrong with having a good working relationship with these girls. In fact that can often enhance your fun as well as get you service at a lower rate than the asshole seeing her right after you. They prefer a stable repeat customer who always shows up freshly groomed and washed. You are an easier low drama call for them and they want you to see them regularly. This leads to a nice relaxed call that is like seeing a girlfriend. Time limits are rarely enforced and they will take a lower rate in order to have your safe repeat business. If you are at least somewhat good looking you are probably going to have an even better time with literally no limits. If you are a 400 lb dude who looks like a troll living under a bridge all is not lost. You too can enjoy this enhanced experience if you show up acting normal, groomed, washed and not dressed in dirty sweats.

The smart monger gets all these things. The stupid monger pays more for less. A stupid monger can be transformed which is one of the reasons I make these posts. I don't know any of you and in all honesty could really care less about you. But I don't like seeing how some of you are taken advantage of by these girls mostly because you do all the wrong things.

As I said, a good working relationship with these girls is a positive that will help you. But far too many guys go way too far all for nothing and usually end up paying more for worse service. You are not playing the girl. She is playing you. Remember, these girls DO NOT care about you. They care about their drugs, newports and their bum boyfriend. They do not live in the same world as you. I don't care what story they give you. You are just dollar signs in there eyes. They should only be cheap pussy in your eyes and at best you should only be a safe, reliable and maybe, fun call for them. This is the order of things and it all works out better when both parties understand this.

You should not be paying these girls extra thinking it will make your service better. Do not pay their bills, pay for their rooms or take them on errands. You are doing that for NOTHING. In fact it may be making your experience worse. They figure if you are doing all this for them why should they step up their game for you. I can guarantee a smart monger is getting better mileage than you are with that same girl. Do not care about these girls and listen to their stories. They are doing just fine and living how they want to live. They do not want your life. They are happy with theirs. They want your money and anything else they can get out of you. Don't be a sap. Can you just call her up and get a freebie? Of course not. She doesn't really care about you or any of the extra things you have done for her. I have only gotten ONE total freebie ever and will talk about it later.

"But Tailgun, this girl is kinda cool and I like to spend time with her outside the call".

Okay, but there is a right way to do this. You want to take her out for a meal before or after the call at no cost to you for her time that is okay. I did this with a few, mostly in my early mongering days. Most working girls do not know how to act anymore in public but a handful do. This is a great time to learn about working girls in general. I always asked a lot of questions. These girls generally lie about everything but you can get some helpful answers if you ask the right way. Things like how do other girls get over on guys. They will happily spill the beans. Even ask them how they get over and they will proudly tell you. The sad thing is that after you do this with a few girls as well as ones you talk to during calls you see that they are all pretty much the same with the same stories. That's why I don't take them out anymore.

If you do this make sure the girl looks like she could actually be out with you for real. If you are 50 years old in sweats and you have some 21 year old with you in short shorts most will know exactly what she is and a few might think it's your daughter. Be realistic with who you are with in public. Any working girl I was ever out with in public could pass for my girlfriend or wife. If you could care less what it looks like then ignore what I said.

I used to take a girl to the store to get smokes or something after a call, which she paid for, if I knew her already or she did a great call. But I don't even do that anymore. Most of these girls have outstanding warrants anyway so why have to answer questions if some cop pulls you over.

The ones that are best to do things with outside of the call are UTRs. I mean real UTRs. A girl who hasn't posted for years but still sees you and some other old regulars. These girls tend to have kicked their addiction or at least have it under better control. I have two of these that are especially good at hanging out with.

I have one I took to AC for an entire weekend for 200. She let me bang her as many times as I wanted and seemed to enjoy going out and doing things there. She even offered to pay half on the meals but I declined mostly because she actually offered which impressed me. I let her leave the tips. This was the most GFE time I ever had with a provider. Not the kinkiest or wildest or best sex or anything like that. Just the most girlfriend like. There was no difference between her or a non working girl that weekend. I reached out to her a few weeks later and asked if she would do a call for free. She said yes because I had shown her such a good time in AC. That is the one freebie I ever got and she even drove 30 miles to me to do it. I never did any favors for her or paid extra. She has never asked or hinted for any of that and has never given me a sob story. A rarity.

My other one did an overnight in AC for 100. She is also one I will take out for meals or come over to my place and watch movies and chat. I give her anywhere from 40-100 and we usually spend the entire day together with an occasional overnight. This one will sometimes try to get me to do favors and I always say no.

Could I date either one of them. Probably. Would I? First one is almost tempting but absolutely not. They still live in a different world than we do even if they are not as bad as the others. The 2nd one has been trying to move in with me for years. Hell no. The goal must always be to have the best service at the lowest cost with these girls. Do not do them favors. Do not listen to their stories. They do not care about you. Do not waste your time and money caring about them. I especially feel bad for older or more desperate mongers who let these girls move in and they get taken advantage of. That 2nd girl bragged how she drained another guys retirement bank account in 2 months when she lived with him. I have more success and longevity with her because I keep the line between monger and escort in place. If I told you some of the stories I have had seeing 300 different providers in 10 years you would not believe them. Neither would I had they not happened to me.

Keep the line between provider and you in place. Do not care about them and realize they do not care about you. They are comfortable with you and that can be very good. But be a man. Be smart, normal and clean and you will have much better fun in this hobby. I am just a regular guy. But I know how to act.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6172867]There is nothing wrong with having a good working relationship with these girls. In fact that can often enhance your fun as well as get you service at a lower rate than the asshole seeing her right after you. They prefer a stable repeat customer who always shows up freshly groomed and washed. You are an easier low drama call for them and they want you to see them regularly. This leads to a nice relaxed call that is like seeing a girlfriend. Time limits are rarely enforced and they will take a lower rate in order to have your safe repeat business. If you are at least somewhat good looking you are probably going to have an even better time with literally no limits. If you are a 400 lb dude who looks like a troll living under a bridge all is not lost. You too can enjoy this enhanced experience if you show up acting normal, groomed, washed and not dressed in dirty sweats.

The smart monger gets all these things. The stupid monger pays more for less. A stupid monger can be transformed which is one of the reasons I make these posts. I don't know any of you and in all honesty could really care less about you. But I don't like seeing how some of you are taken advantage of by these girls mostly because you do all the wrong things.

As I said, a good working relationship with these girls is a positive that will help you. But far too many guys go way too far all for nothing and usually end up paying more for worse service. You are not playing the girl. She is playing you. Remember, these girls DO NOT care about you. They care about their drugs, newports and their bum boyfriend. They do not live in the same world as you. I don't care what story they give you. You are just dollar signs in there eyes. They should only be cheap pussy in your eyes and at best you should only be a safe, reliable and maybe, fun call for them. This is the order of things and it all works out better when both parties understand this....[/QUOTE]All true. The part about all they care about is their drugs, newports and their bum boyfriend is absolutely spot on. I would also add some of these girls have studs who treat them just as bad as a male boyfriend.

[QUOTE=HobbyMan9;6173429]Wise beyond words /.

I could have used this advice 5 or 6 years ago. You hit the nail on the head, EXPERT liars.

She did move in, I left my family, and she did drain most of my retirement account over the course of a year.

So folks, I can attest to the truth of this montage.

Never again. I view them as leaches that suck more than fluids, they suck life out of you if given the chance.[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing this. At least you know the deal now and hopefully will save other mongers from that fate. I always looked to these girls as being vampires. They act on instinct. There is no feeling. I never had a story like yours but I didn't use my brain with one girl very early on. She didn't get extra out of me but would call me for a call very often and I would jump even if I wasn't in the mood and pay her normal rate. She would say the bs things like I like you a lot and we have a connection. I bought all that. But then one day I am like she doesn't care one way or the other. If she did she would be doing free calls with me. So that's when I started my very successful low price offer whenever they dial me for dollars. They will text me "hey baby" with all the "how are you" nonsense and then "I want to see you". I know they need money bad. Say her rate is 200. I say "well I would like to see you but money is tight". "I can do 100 or 80 or 50 for our usual hour. They almost always take it and that becomes your new rate with that girl forever going forward. I learned the value of me being a safe reliable call.

Remember, you have value being a safe and regular call. They will take what you give them and keep the service level up because they don't want to lose you. You basically become the vampire. Oh nobody is seeing you today and you need your drug money bad. Okay I will see you and get my rocks off but at a deep discount AND I expect the service level to be high with no nonsense, stories or clock watching.

[QUOTE=HunterJay;6173360]Great post I'm not into taking chicks out on a date I only want to meet at a hotel and get sucked off and fucked that's it I also stop the errand BS it will get someone locked up these chicks want to use a monger to drive to multiple drug spot locations to get drugs these chicks have arrest records they do not care about getting another charge. I have a clean record no convictions or charges not about to risk my life because a chick want to buy drugs but I need some UTR chicks tired of the rats on the escort sites and street chicks are getting worst everyday damn.[/QUOTE]I hear you my Brother. It is not easy finding a real UTR. A lot of it is dumb luck and dead reckoning. You got to catch them early and know what to look for. For me it was seeing a seemingly new girl post on backpage back in the day or STG today. The girl may only have her ad up for a week or even a day and you got to catch it. Then you got to go by gut instinct that this is a girl who needs money for her drugs or whatever but doesn't want to see 50 different guys each week. She wants in and out of this fast and come up with a handful of guys she likes or will deal with and then those are the guys she will see for months or years without ever making another post. Don't waste your time on any ad that has red flags or any that seem too good to be true.

These girls aren't quite unicorns. They are still trainwrecks. But they tend not to be totally lost in their drug habit and usually have real jobs. But they need a little extra cash to party. If you make their cut so to speak you will have a very girlfriend like UTR who has at least some attraction to you which makes for a much better call.

I share a lot of things here but you notice I never share my UTRs. Nor will I ever unless one of them says they are looking for new clients or I see them post an ad. My UTRs have literally not posted an ad in years. I see some guys here offer to trade the contact info of their UTR for someone elses. First off, I think their idea of what a UTR is different than what mine is. But, like I said, unless the girl says she is looking for more clients or posts an ad, I do not share nor would I ask someone else to share one of theirs.

[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6174252]I hear you my Brother. It is not easy finding a real UTR. A lot of it is dumb luck and dead reckoning. You got to catch them early and know what to look for. For me it was seeing a seemingly new girl post on backpage back in the day or STG today. The girl may only have her ad up for a week or even a day and you got to catch it. Then you got to go by gut instinct that this is a girl who needs money for her drugs or whatever but doesn't want to see 50 different guys each week. She wants in and out of this fast and come up with a handful of guys she likes or will deal with and then those are the guys she will see for months or years without ever making another post. Don't waste your time on any ad that has red flags or any that seem too good to be true.

These girls aren't quite unicorns. They are still trainwrecks. But they tend not to be totally lost in their drug habit and usually have real jobs. But they need a little extra cash to party. If you make their cut so to speak you will have a very girlfriend like UTR who has at least some attraction to you which makes for a much better call.

I share a lot of things here but you notice I never share my UTRs. Nor will I ever unless one of them says they are looking for new clients or I see them post an ad. My UTRs have literally not posted an ad in years. I see some guys here offer to trade the contact info of their UTR for someone elses. First off, I think their idea of what a UTR is different than what mine is. But, like I said, unless the girl says she is looking for more clients or posts an ad, I do not share nor would I ask someone else to share one of theirs.[/QUOTE]I found a utr like how you described. She posted for a little bit but then shut it down because she got stalkers and was literally scared for her life so she stopped posting and I and a select few other mongers saw her for over a year at a motel and eventually her own apartment that a monger got for her.

Was only 2 Jackson's and change for full service and would often hang for 45 or an hour. She was always showered and kept her room clean. She was late 20's and hot with a bubble butt and a huge rack but small waist and she was a small woman.

It was a good deal as you didn't have to jump around from girl to girl and she was always available and would often text me almost every other day it seemed. All good things come to an end though she eventually got locked up for something unrelated and I believe she was trying to get into rehab because she had a son to take care of.

Myself and others have probably posted these before but you can never hear good advice enough. These are things you should not do with these girls. You may think it's going to get you better mileage. It is not. It will get you shittier service. It will have the opposite effect of what you think. Remember, you think logically. These girls act on instinct and their only goal is to get money out of you, nothing more. Your goal should always be to get the best service at the lowest price.

1) Deposits. Never pre pay these girls. I don't care if they say they have to ask for one because of stuff guys do. WTF do you care what some other guys did to them? Who cares if guys flaked on them? They flake on guys all the time. You should not care about that. I don't care if you have sent deposits before and didn't have an issue. You just got lucky. You will be robbed soon enough. You see that all the time on here. Deposits may be the single most stupid and avoidable scam you can fall for in this hobby.

2) Do not pay more than they ask. Frankly you shouldn't be paying what they ask to begin with let alone pay more. To pay more than they ask is stupid. You will not get better service. If anything you will get worse service because they now see you as an easy mark. Why should they work hard to make sure you have fun and come back when you are just handing them money up front for nothing? They know your deal already and will take full advantage of you by doing as little as possible for the highest price they can get from you. Way too many guys are easy marks for them.

I had a new monger message me recently asking about some girl. I told him she is a good call but has a history of robbing guys who are stupid. His response was he was going to offer her more so she doesn't rob him. You can guess what my response was to him. I went a little easier since he hadn't seen a girl yet and just doesn't know. You just are not going to get better service or not get robbed or whatever by handing them more than they ask. If anything it has the opposite effect. I don't even give them tips. I don't give them extra if I go well over the time. My attitude is that I am a clean, safe and reliable call that is no stress for them. Do not have the I am a good guy attitude in this hobby. Do not fall for I will do a BBBJ for extra. No you will do it for the price we originally agreed on or you will never see me again. If you showed up right and she wants your business again she will do it when you say you don't do upsells. I usually get whatever I want from these girls and at a deep discount if I am a repeat customer. But I do NOTHING for them except be a clean, safe and reliable call. There is value in that for them. Realize that and stop acting like they are doing you a favor.

I don't care if you are 70 yrs old, 5 ft tall and weigh 400 lbs and have zero chance with women in regular life. These are not regular women. They have slept with many guys worse than you. Don't think you have to pay them more or do favors for them to get decent service. Just act normal and present yourself as best you can. That means groom downstairs, be freshly showered, well dressed and give the impression you will be back again if she treats you right. Remember, this hobby is the great equalizer. You get to sleep with women you can't always get in regular life.

Don't do these girls favors or run them on errands. Guys do this for three reasons.

One, they think it gets them better mileage. No it doesn't. I am the one seeing her for $80 for a full hour after you just drove her all around town to do her shopping and probably paid for her room. In that hr with her I got better mileage than you ever have. Let that sink it. You did all that for nothing. Again, she sees you do all this and knows she can drop down her game with you. I know this happens because girls tell me they have guys like that. Guys post here how they drive these girls all over.

Two, guys do this because they feel sorry for these girls. Do not listen to their stories. They do this so you feel bad for them and give them extra money or do stuff for them. They are happy with their lives and have everything they need. These girls are professional hustlers. Don't be stupid.

Third, some guys do stuff for these girls because they are lonely. I can't answer you on that but these really are not the types of girls you should consider for companionship outside of the call. Get a puppy or a kitten if you are lonely. You are just being used and having your bank account emptied for the pleasure of hanging around a drug addicted professional hustler who could care less about you. She has her man waiting for her at home or back in the room.

3) Oh an emergency came up I have to leave now but will make it up to you with a free call next time. So she does this to you 5 minutes into your hr call. Understand you are not getting a free call next time. Again, You are not getting a free call next time. In case you didn't hear me, you are not getting a free call next time. That is not how these girls operate. So if you can't manage to grab your money back and high tail it out of there you will be ghosted when you reach out to her again for that free makeup call.

But here is how I handle this situation. I don't expect to get that free call. I could post a negative review but usually all that does is get more guys to see her because most of your fellow mongers are idiots. Here is how I handle it. I reach out to her saying I want to see you again and I know a free makeup call is like an alien concept to you. But we got to make this right. I use two options here depending on my mood and both have worked every time. I know these girls always want money. So I may say to make this right how about an hr call for half the rate. They agree. Do it once more after that and you are squared away. However I usually make that new temporary rate the new norm for every hr call going forward. My other option I do is say we got to make this right. I will give you our usual rate but you got to dig up another girl for a double. They usually will find some non working friend of theirs who agrees and she probably throws the girl 20 or 40 bucks because she doesn't know better. So again, things are equal now. Of course see if you can grab that non working girls number and see her on the side at a deep discount.

There is nothing special about me. I am moderately good looking. I am not in great shape. I am not rich. But yet I get great calls almost all the time and rarely pay full rates, especially when repeating. Why? Because I know how to act around these girls. Showing up clean and trimmed and acting normal gets you in the door. After that, realizing your value in being that way leads to getting what you want, how you want it and when you want it going forward. It's really all about being firm, steady, normal and acting like a man. The point I am making is that me, and guys like me, are getting better service at a lower rate than these guys who treat these girls like they are royalty. They are not. When you treat them like they are you have already lost. They are drug addicts who need money to feed their habit. Nothing more, nothing less.

*real* UTRs are girls who don't do this at all.

Those are the best!

[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6184944]Myself and others have probably posted these before but you can never hear good advice enough. These are things you should not do with these girls. You may think it's going to get you better mileage. It is not. It will get you shittier service. It will have the opposite effect of what you think. Remember, you think logically. These girls act on instinct and their only goal is to get money out of you, nothing more. Your goal should always be to get the best service at the lowest price.

1) Deposits. Never pre pay these girls. I don't care if they say they have to ask for one because of stuff guys do. WTF do you care what some other guys did to them? Who cares if guys flaked on them? They flake on guys all the time. You should not care about that. I don't care if you have sent deposits before and didn't have an issue. You just got lucky. You will be robbed soon enough. You see that all the time on here. Deposits may be the single most stupid and avoidable scam you can fall for in this hobby.

2) Do not pay more than they ask. Frankly you shouldn't be paying what they ask to begin with let alone pay more. To pay more than they ask is stupid. You will not get better service. If anything you will get worse service because they now see you as an easy mark. Why should they work hard to make sure you have fun and come back when you are just handing them money up front for nothing? They know your deal already and will take full advantage of you by doing as little as possible for the highest price they can get from you. Way too many guys are easy marks for them.

I had a new monger message me recently asking about some girl.[/QUOTE]Great advice, but this also applies to women in real life. Most women have a circle of men that orbit around them but the ones that do the most for those women often get no sex, they just get used. For example, there is the guy they call when they need money, another guy for weed, another guy to talk to for hours about nothing, another man they might call her bestie to go out with and drink and one or 2 different guys for pure sex. This is common in the hood and in the suburbs a guy will just try to friend his way into a relationship being a woman's total biccch boy all while she gives it up for the jock jerk.

Over the years I realized I was too nice and cut all ties and friendships with women. A male isn't a woman's friend and a female will use all your time and think nothing of it. I remember helping young women move and they couldn't even spot me 20 $ for some lunch. The only women I help now are elderly / disabled otherwise you got to pay me for my time (or feed me) because I'm gone.

[QUOTE=Gentleman007;6122492]Thank you for the eye feast. Cheyenne a few years ago was a must see. Flexible, pretty face, a killer little ass and boy she can suck the soul out of you. I saw her a few times and never let me down. I'm saddened by her current look. Phoenix as you said, she is who she is, I never had an issue with her, but I never leave anything out of sight. Thank you again Cooky.[/QUOTE]Hey bud, can you clear some PMs? Want to send you a message. Ty much.

[QUOTE=ItsSecret;6190411]Hey bud, can you clear some PMs? Want to send you a message. Ty much.[/QUOTE]Housekeeping is done.

It's sort of incredible how hard it can be to get a reply and make something happen at times, even with multiple people. I think this is also where people lose the plot and start refreshing STG and lowering their standards. It can be hard, but on nights like that, if I can't connect with the 2-4 people I reach out to, I'm moving on.

[QUOTE=ItsSecret;6193178]It's sort of incredible how hard it can be to get a reply and make something happen at times, even with multiple people. I think this is also where people lose the plot and start refreshing STG and lowering their standards. It can be hard, but on nights like that, if I can't connect with the 2-4 people I reach out to, I'm moving on.[/QUOTE]This is very true. I did an entire post on this a while back. We have all been there. It's not a recent thing either. There are just days when nothing goes thru, even backups. This is when we make stupid decisions. Refreshing a site to re check girls we passed on earlier. Sometimes we even start checking out garbage sites just to find something. There was a reason we passed by those ads the first time. But we get it in our head we got to see someone. That almost never works out and ends up with getting a shitty call and wasting money. We need to train the brain to just stop and try again the next day. I don't do the frantic searches anymore. But even now I sometimes go see a regular I am very bored with and really don't want to see just to see someone.

When your primary target doesn't pan out you can often have a great time with choice #2 and find a gem. But when you are getting into 4th, 5th. 6th option, or more, it's probably going to be a real bad call. If you passed by an ad the first time don't go back and re visit it. You had a reason to pass by it the first time. This hobby is one of those times you go with your first gut instinct.

[QUOTE=ItsSecret;6193178]It's sort of incredible how hard it can be to get a reply and make something happen at times, even with multiple people. I think this is also where people lose the plot and start refreshing STG and lowering their standards. It can be hard, but on nights like that, if I can't connect with the 2-4 people I reach out to, I'm moving on.[/QUOTE]I know it's very frustrating dealing with providers who post and ad and doesn't respond when we tried to reach them. That cements the decision I made a long time ago about reaching to the average girls in different towns who don't do this as a profession, rather in the heat of the moment for some cash and some excitement.

Checking STG all I see is old ladies out of shape, or younger ones with obvious signs of drug abuse, and above all setting rates that are just plain ridiculous.

The last weeks of nice warm weather brought out a few girls who were hard to pass. I always said, get your acorns before the Winter season gets here.

[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6193455]This is very true. I did an entire post on this a while back. We have all been there. It's not a recent thing either. There are just days when nothing goes thru, even backups. This is when we make stupid decisions. Refreshing a site to re check girls we passed on earlier. Sometimes we even start checking out garbage sites just to find something. There was a reason we passed by those ads the first time. But we get it in our head we got to see someone. That almost never works out and ends up with getting a shitty call and wasting money. We need to train the brain to just stop and try again the next day. I don't do the frantic searches anymore. But even now I sometimes go see a regular I am very bored with and really don't want to see just to see someone.

When your primary target doesn't pan out you can often have a great time with choice #2 and find a gem. But when you are getting into 4th, 5th. 6th option, or more, it's probably going to be a real bad call. If you passed by an ad the first time don't go back and re visit it. You had a reason to pass by it the first time. This hobby is one of those times you go with your first gut instinct.[/QUOTE]100% truthful. I don't want to make myself or my job sound more important than they are, but my situation is such that my available dates and times to hobby are limited. As such, I can't always just try the next day. I sometimes know that I'll be available a little in advance, but it still requires a return contact.

[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6184944]Myself and others have probably posted these before but you can never hear good advice enough. These are things you should not do with these girls. You may think it's going to get you better mileage. It is not. It will get you shittier service. It will have the opposite effect of what you think. Remember, you think logically. These girls act on instinct and their only goal is to get money out of you, nothing more. Your goal should always be to get the best service at the lowest price.

1) Deposits. Never pre pay these girls. I don't care if they say they have to ask for one because of stuff guys do. WTF do you care what some other guys did to them? Who cares if guys flaked on them? They flake on guys all the time. You should not care about that. I don't care if you have sent deposits before and didn't have an issue. You just got lucky. You will be robbed soon enough. You see that all the time on here. Deposits may be the single most stupid and avoidable scam you can fall for in this hobby.

2) Do not pay more than they ask. Frankly you shouldn't be paying what they ask to begin with let alone pay more. To pay more than they ask is stupid. You will not get better service. If anything you will get worse service because they now see you as an easy mark. Why should they work hard to make sure you have fun and come back when you are just handing them money up front for nothing? They know your deal already and will take full advantage of you by doing as little as possible for the highest price they can get from you. Way too many guys are easy marks for them.

I had a new monger message me recently asking about some girl. I told him she is a good call but has a history of robbing guys who are stupid. His response was he was going to offer her more so she doesn't rob him. You can guess what my response was to him. I went a little easier since he hadn't seen a girl yet and just doesn't know. You just are not going to get better service or not get robbed or whatever by handing them more than they ask. If anything it has the opposite effect. I don't even give them tips. I don't give them extra if I go well over the time. My attitude is that I am a clean, safe and reliable call that is no stress for them. Do not have the I am a good guy attitude in this hobby. Do not fall for I will do a BBBJ for extra. No you will do it for the price we originally agreed on or you will never see me again. If you showed up right and she wants your business again she will do it when you say you don't do upsells. I usually get whatever I want from these girls and at a deep discount if I am a repeat customer. But I do NOTHING for them except be a clean, safe and reliable call. There is value in that for them. Realize that and stop acting like they are doing you a favor.

I don't care if you are 70 yrs old, 5 ft tall and weigh 400 lbs and have zero chance with women in regular life. These are not regular women. They have slept with many guys worse than you. Don't think you have to pay them more or do favors for them to get decent service. Just act normal and present yourself as best you can. That means groom downstairs, be freshly showered, well dressed and give the impression you will be back again if she treats you right. Remember, this hobby is the great equalizer. You get to sleep with women you can't always get in regular life.

Don't do these girls favors or run them on errands. Guys do this for three reasons.

One, they think it gets them better mileage. No it doesn't. I am the one seeing her for $80 for a full hour after you just drove her all around town to do her shopping and probably paid for her room. In that hr with her I got better mileage than you ever have. Let that sink it. You did all that for nothing. Again, she sees you do all this and knows she can drop down her game with you. I know this happens because girls tell me they have guys like that. Guys post here how they drive these girls all over.

Two, guys do this because they feel sorry for these girls. Do not listen to their stories. They do this so you feel bad for them and give them extra money or do stuff for them. They are happy with their lives and have everything they need. These girls are professional hustlers. Don't be stupid.

Third, some guys do stuff for these girls because they are lonely. I can't answer you on that but these really are not the types of girls you should consider for companionship outside of the call. Get a puppy or a kitten if you are lonely. You are just being used and having your bank account emptied for the pleasure of hanging around a drug addicted professional hustler who could care less about you. She has her man waiting for her at home or back in the room.

3) Oh an emergency came up I have to leave now but will make it up to you with a free call next time. So she does this to you 5 minutes into your hr call. Understand you are not getting a free call next time. Again, You are not getting a free call next time. In case you didn't hear me, you are not getting a free call next time. That is not how these girls operate. So if you can't manage to grab your money back and high tail it out of there you will be ghosted when you reach out to her again for that free makeup call.

But here is how I handle this situation. I don't expect to get that free call. I could post a negative review but usually all that does is get more guys to see her because most of your fellow mongers are idiots. Here is how I handle it. I reach out to her saying I want to see you again and I know a free makeup call is like an alien concept to you. But we got to make this right. I use two options here depending on my mood and both have worked every time. I know these girls always want money. So I may say to make this right how about an hr call for half the rate. They agree. Do it once more after that and you are squared away. However I usually make that new temporary rate the new norm for every hr call going forward. My other option I do is say we got to make this right. I will give you our usual rate but you got to dig up another girl for a double. They usually will find some non working friend of theirs who agrees and she probably throws the girl 20 or 40 bucks because she doesn't know better. So again, things are equal now. Of course see if you can grab that non working girls number and see her on the side at a deep discount.

There is nothing special about me. I am moderately good looking. I am not in great shape. I am not rich. But yet I get great calls almost all the time and rarely pay full rates, especially when repeating. Why? Because I know how to act around these girls. Showing up clean and trimmed and acting normal gets you in the door. After that, realizing your value in being that way leads to getting what you want, how you want it and when you want it going forward. It's really all about being firm, steady, normal and acting like a man. The point I am making is that me, and guys like me, are getting better service at a lower rate than these guys who treat these girls like they are royalty. They are not. When you treat them like they are you have already lost. They are drug addicts who need money to feed their habit. Nothing more, nothing less.[/QUOTE]I agree with mostly everything above. In all the years doing this shit, I can only think of one provider who I could trust enough that I was willing and comfortable enough to do extra things for: drive her somewhere, offer an advance if I knew she was in a spot. Ect. But this person was truly unique. Never once did this person ever ask for anything. Every other experience I had with getting involved with a girl turned out bad in the end. I learned my lesson years ago.

[QUOTE=HoodedMark;6194277]I agree with mostly everything above. In all the years doing this shit, I can only think of one provider who I could trust enough that I was willing and comfortable enough to do extra things for: drive her somewhere, offer an advance if I knew she was in a spot. Ect. But this person was truly unique. Never once did this person ever ask for anything. Every other experience I had with getting involved with a girl turned out bad in the end. I learned my lesson years ago.[/QUOTE]Why would you do any of that? My time is not free to them. They do not do anything free for us.

[QUOTE=HoodedMark;6194277]I agree with mostly everything above. In all the years doing this shit, I can only think of one provider who I could trust enough that I was willing and comfortable enough to do extra things for: drive her somewhere, offer an advance if I knew she was in a spot. Ect. But this person was truly unique. Never once did this person ever ask for anything. Every other experience I had with getting involved with a girl turned out bad in the end. I learned my lesson years ago.[/QUOTE]To be fair, she didn't have to ask because you were offering it. Advance a no-go in any circumstance.

I had one hit me up for buying pics this morning, saying she needs money to keep her room. I don't even reply.

[QUOTE=PhillyDiscreet;6194327]Why would you do any of that? My time is not free to them. They do not do anything free for us.[/QUOTE]With this particular girl, she didn't have an expectation, like she had some super pussy. I would be offered a free session, which I would always accept to make sure it wasn't just BS lip service.

This person valued the client, a real natural.

[QUOTE=HoodedMark;6194436]With this particular girl, she didn't have an expectation, like she had some super pussy. I would be offered a free session, which I would always accept to make sure it wasn't just BS lip service.

This person valued the client, a real natural.[/QUOTE]I had one a was seeing few years ago. Saw her quite a lot for her regular price which was quite reasonable at the time. 2 hours for 3 Bennies. Went in for a while. Then my money train rain down. Told her I couldn't see her as we were going. Her rpsonse was just to make it the room cost. Like $100 same time frame now. Saw her a number of times at that rate. Honestly in due time I was actually getting bored of her pussy! Then one time out the blue I get the "I'm in a bind can you help me out with lime $200" So I'm already ahead of the game with her. So I split the difference with her. Now I'm still seeing her for the same rates. Once a week or so. Then the numbers started going higher. By the time it was all done. By my figures I was still ahead by a ways. But whatever she left the state and I don't miss her one bit.

[QUOTE=LukeWarmWater3;6194488]I had one a was seeing few years ago. Saw her quite a lot for her regular price which was quite reasonable at the time. 2 hours for 3 Bennies. Went in for a while. Then my money train rain down. Told her I couldn't see her as we were going. Her rpsonse was just to make it the room cost. Like $100 same time frame now. Saw her a number of times at that rate. Honestly in due time I was actually getting bored of her pussy! Then one time out the blue I get the "I'm in a bind can you help me out with lime $200" So I'm already ahead of the game with her. So I split the difference with her. Now I'm still seeing her for the same rates. Once a week or so. Then the numbers started going higher. By the time it was all done. By my figures I was still ahead by a ways. But whatever she left the state and I don't miss her one bit.[/QUOTE]They try to pull that crap sometimes after you have them down to a low regular rate. When they pull the I am in a bind act I will pay the 200 if the call will be much longer. Look by now, as you said, the pussy is mostly boring at this point. The low rate is all that keeps us there. Sorry hon but you no longer get new pussy rates.

[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6195275]They try to pull that crap sometimes after you have them down to a low regular rate. When they pull the I am in a bind act I will pay the 200 if the call will be much longer. Look by now, as you said, the pussy is mostly boring at this point. The low rate is all that keeps us there. Sorry hon but you no longer get new pussy rates.[/QUOTE]I got wise to her games. For a while it was good. Then like I said it started to get boring. Like my ex wife! She decided to move out of state I helped her pack!

[QUOTE=LukeWarmWater3;6195358]I got wise to her games. For a while it was good. Then like I said it started to get boring. Like my ex wife! She decided to move out of state I helped her pack![/QUOTE]I hope you got a freebie or a deep discount for helping her pack. Did you at least kick her in the ass as she went out the door when you said goodbye?

You know the deal. No matter how tight you get with a provider where you are paying almost nothing to see them you know they could care less about you and are always trying to get something off you.

[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6195371]I hope you got a freebie or a deep discount for helping her pack. Did you at least kick her in the ass as she went out the door when you said goodbye?

You know the deal. No matter how tight you get with a provider where you are paying almost nothing to see them you know they could care less about you and are always trying to get something off you.[/QUOTE]I didn't really care by then. The big thing to be learned from this is always remember to keep hands on the wheel and always stay firmly in your lane. The 3 FS apply find them fuck 'them forget them.

Many of these have been mentioned before by myself and / or others. Way too many mongers have delusions about these girls. I don't know if that's due to ignorance or just wishing things were the way they wish they were to enhance their own experience. Anyway, I will list some truths that some will not like. That doesn't matter. This is what it is.

1) These girls Do NOT care about you.

They care about your money and what you can do for them. They do not give a shit about you. Let me repeat that. They do NOT give a shit about you. If you are under any impression that they actually care about you I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. You may have a good working relationship with a provider. She has a comfort level with you because you are a regular and you are not a nutcase. You may have worked out a nice low rate for yourself. She may act cool with you. But that isn't because she cares about you. It is because she is comfortable with you as you are an easy stress free call. Do not confuse her being comfortable with you to her caring about you. She does not care about you. She will never lend you money. She will not give you a freebie. She will not go to your funeral when you die. She sees you as a source of money and whatever else she can get from you. Make sure it's only money and at the lowest rate possible.

2) These girls are all addicts.

Some mongers like to think the girls they see are not addicts. You see a lot of "no signs of use" in reviews. That is a helpful point in a review. But it only means they are smart about hiding it and / or aren't totally ruled by it yet. These girls are having sex with you for money to support their habit. They are not doing it for extra money to pay bills or pay off student loans. They pull in more money a week than you do and you see they live like shit. They aren't banking that money away for retirement. It is being spent that same day on drugs.

3) She only does BBFS with me.

No, she does BBFS with many guys. She may tell you it's only you or you and one other guy. She is lying. It's with many guys. It may not be with every guy but it is with quite a bit. So don't think you are that special. Somebody probably hit her raw right before and after you that same day.

4) She is trying to get her life together.

No. She is very happy the way she is. She just wants you to think that so you feel bad for her and give her extra money and do things for her. She does not want the life you have. She would hate that. She wants the one she has. She may leave the state but she is picking up her same life elsewhere. She may "retire". That just means she either has a large group of favorite regulars to see or she hooked up with a dumb lonely rich guy. Nothing else about her has changed. When she says she is trying to get her life together she only means she wishes she wouldn't have to see so many different guys fucking her in the ass every day.

5) She is Independent.

There are some girls who are totally independent but it is much lower than you think. Most girls have a pimp, a handler or a boyfriend who is very aware of what they are doing and are involved in some way. It is not likely that your favorite you just saw goes back to her apartment where she lives by herself and has no man involved or living off of what she does. While we seem to feel better thinking the girl we just saw is a true independent the reality just doesn't back that up.

I agree it's 100% true

[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6195430]Many of these have been mentioned before by myself and / or others. Way too many mongers have delusions about these girls. I don't know if that's due to ignorance or just wishing things were the way they wish they were to enhance their own experience. Anyway, I will list some truths that some will not like. That doesn't matter. This is what it is.

1) These girls Do NOT care about you.

They care about your money and what you can do for them. They do not give a shit about you. Let me repeat that. They do NOT give a shit about you. If you are under any impression that they actually care about you I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. You may have a good working relationship with a provider. She has a comfort level with you because you are a regular and you are not a nutcase. You may have worked out a nice low rate for yourself. She may act cool with you. But that isn't because she cares about you. It is because she is comfortable with you as you are an easy stress free call. Do not confuse her being comfortable with you to her caring about you. She does not care about you. She will never lend you money. She will not give you a freebie. She will not go to your funeral when you die. She sees you as a source of money and whatever else she can get from you. Make sure it's only money and at the lowest rate possible.

2) These girls are all addicts.

Some mongers like to think the girls they see are not addicts. You see a lot of "no signs of use" in reviews. That is a helpful point in a review. But it only means they are smart about hiding it and / or aren't totally ruled by it yet. These girls are having sex with you for money to support their habit. They are not doing it for extra money to pay bills or pay off student loans. They pull in more money a week than you do and you see they live like shit. They aren't banking that money away for retirement. It is being spent that same day on drugs.

3) She only does BBFS with me.

No, she does BBFS with many guys. She may tell you it's only you or you and one other guy. She is lying. It's with many guys. It may not be with every guy but it is with quite a bit. So don't think you are that special. Somebody probably hit her raw right before and after you that same day.

4) She is trying to get her life together.

No. She is very happy the way she is. She just wants you to think that so you feel bad for her and give her extra money and do things for her. She does not want the life you have. She would hate that. She wants the one she has. She may leave the state but she is picking up her same life elsewhere. She may "retire". That just means she either has a large group of favorite regulars to see or she hooked up with a dumb lonely rich guy. Nothing else about her has changed. When she says she is trying to get her life together she only means she wishes she wouldn't have to see so many different guys fucking her in the ass every day.

5) She is Independent.

There are some girls who are totally independent but it is much lower than you think. Most girls have a pimp, a handler or a boyfriend who is very aware of what they are doing and are involved in some way. It is not likely that your favorite you just saw goes back to her apartment where she lives by herself and has no man involved or living off of what she does. While we seem to feel better thinking the girl we just saw is a true independent the reality just doesn't back that up.[/QUOTE].

Big Facts 100%.

[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6195430]Many of these have been mentioned before by myself and / or others. Way too many mongers have delusions about these girls. I don't know if that's due to ignorance or just wishing things were the way they wish they were to enhance their own experience. Anyway, I will list some truths that some will not like. That doesn't matter. This is what it is.

1) These girls Do NOT care about you.

They care about your money and what you can do for them. They do not give a shit about you. Let me repeat that. They do NOT give a shit about you. If you are under any impression that they actually care about you I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. You may have a good working relationship with a provider. She has a comfort level with you because you are a regular and you are not a nutcase. You may have worked out a nice low rate for yourself. She may act cool with you. But that isn't because she cares about you. It is because she is comfortable with you as you are an easy stress free call. Do not confuse her being comfortable with you to her caring about you. She does not care about you. She will never lend you money. She will not give you a freebie. She will not go to your funeral when you die. She sees you as a source of money and whatever else she can get from you. Make sure it's only money and at the lowest rate possible.

2) These girls are all addicts.

Some mongers like to think the girls they see are not addicts. You see a lot of "no signs of use" in reviews. That is a helpful point in a review. But it only means they are smart about hiding it and / or aren't totally ruled by it yet. These girls are having sex with you for money to support their habit. They are not doing it for extra money to pay bills or pay off student loans. They pull in more money a week than you do and you see they live like shit. They aren't banking that money away for retirement. It is being spent that same day on drugs.

3) She only does BBFS with me.

No, she does BBFS with many guys. She may tell you it's only you or you and one other guy. She is lying. It's with many guys. It may not be with every guy but it is with quite a bit. So don't think you are that special. Somebody probably hit her raw right before and after you that same day.

4) She is trying to get her life together.

No. She is very happy the way she is. She just wants you to think that so you feel bad for her and give her extra money and do things for her. She does not want the life you have. She would hate that. She wants the one she has. She may leave the state but she is picking up her same life elsewhere. She may "retire". That just means she either has a large group of favorite regulars to see or she hooked up with a dumb lonely rich guy. Nothing else about her has changed. When she says she is trying to get her life together she only means she wishes she wouldn't have to see so many different guys fucking her in the ass every day.

5) She is Independent.

There are some girls who are totally independent but it is much lower than you think. Most girls have a pimp, a handler or a boyfriend who is very aware of what they are doing and are involved in some way. It is not likely that your favorite you just saw goes back to her apartment where she lives by herself and has no man involved or living off of what she does. While we seem to feel better thinking the girl we just saw is a true independent the reality just doesn't back that up.[/QUOTE]

FYI.

[URL]https://www.fox29.com/news/philadelphia-man-arrested-charged-in-death-of-woman-found-in-maple-shade-motel[/URL]

A few days ago having a quick stop in Target near AC I saw a beautiful blonde MILF wearing white short shorts and a red crop top, I smiled and she smiled back. After a few passes in the aisles, I started a conversation with her, after about 15 minutes we started walking together picking up a few more items, we both exited the store and exchange numbers. After a few days she made contact and we had lunch, after lunch we had some fun. The cold weather is coming and we will have to wait until next year to see those bodies without so many clothes on.

[QUOTE=Gentleman007;6213569]A few days ago having a quick stop in Target near AC I saw a beautiful blonde MILF wearing white short shorts and a red crop top, I smiled and she smiled back. After a few passes in the aisles, I started a conversation with her, after about 15 minutes we started walking together picking up a few more items, we both exited the store and exchange numbers. After a few days she made contact and we had lunch, after lunch we had some fun. The cold weather is coming and we will have to wait until next year to see those bodies without so many clothes on.[/QUOTE]Nice one bud, great cans.

[QUOTE=Gentleman007;6213569]A few days ago having a quick stop in Target near AC I saw a beautiful blonde MILF wearing white short shorts and a red crop top, I smiled and she smiled back. After a few passes in the aisles, I started a conversation with her, after about 15 minutes we started walking together picking up a few more items, we both exited the store and exchange numbers. After a few days she made contact and we had lunch, after lunch we had some fun. The cold weather is coming and we will have to wait until next year to see those bodies without so many clothes on.[/QUOTE]Is she an escort? If not, why is she posted in the escort thread.

[QUOTE=PhillyDiscreet;6215420]Is she an escort? If not, why is she posted in the escort thread.[/QUOTE]PhillyDiscreet, she is not an escort, she used to be a dancer. From time to time I let mongers know, we have other opportunities out there besides escorts. I used to visit escorts regularly, but the potential risks made me look for a better way to find women, who are not pros, and it is cheaper, cleaner and the selection? The sky is the limit. From Supermarkets, Dollar stores, malls, even at the Zoo believe or not, I have found girls without shelling more than 80 to $ a meet. That's the reason I posted in the GeneralReports. Since my TER days, a very small group of us banded together to refine the approach, we still get together and we won't change that, until we get tired of it, or get serious with someone. Meantime, enjoy the view.