Massage Parlor Reports

After she thought I wanted it all, she told me it would happen on the second visit because she did not have protection.

She asked if I was interested in going on a date with me. She told me she lives on the south side and has a kid. Her kids name is tattooed on her back, slightly above her waist.

The massage with HE lasted one hour 5 minutes. They have a very loud timer to indicate when its over. She was very attractive to me and seemed to enjoy the session. FS is definitely offered here.

This girl only works m, t, w from 10 to 6. It was too easy to get digits, and too easy to hear her options. This girl is from Hondurous.

The place is located on Belmont, about 5 blocks east of Oak Pk Ave. Across the belmont intersection is 711 if you need a cash st. Nino only does HE, but darn, my alter ego wanted her!

The Massage Parlor is located south of I-55 on Route 83, in the same plaza as Maxim and McDonalds.

It is a typical asian massage parlor. 70 dollars for the hour, with a table shower and nothing else in between.

I wore women's underwear during the massage. The girl seemed to be open to it.

I would not hesitate to ask for other fantasies in this massage parlor.

[QUOTE=Pingi5]Anyone had any luck over at Sunkiss or still just legit?[/QUOTE]Sunkiss is at legit. It's strange because they give you every impression that it's not. Don't see how they can compete with places offering better services within walking distance.

I've gotten pretty lucky with some LMP's standard triple .5's down to .5 to .8 for all three. I usually win them over with the charm.


[QUOTE=Al Melrose]Saw the "especial" for .4 for an hour.

I decide to try it out. I am told .6 for the hour, I mention I saw .4, so I do get that price.

No TS, a really pathetic attempt at a massage, Maggie, cute, wearing a long sweater, looked like a decent body, perhaps hiding a flaw or two under the sweater.

Asked me where I usually go. I mention some LMPs, so that she gets the message. So on the flip ( I think per-flip was about 15 minutes, if that). She remarks that since I have gone to LMPs I must already know the options.

I reply yes but what are her's? The standard 50/50/50. I tell her way too much, so now the haggling starts. She lowers her price for "all three Options" down to $.2, wow what a bargain! She won't budge from that price, so I tell her to finish the massage. well she tells me time is up, I think we are at 30 minutes, with about 10 spent haggling.

At one point she tells me I must be hanging out with Mexicans, since I do not want to pay her price. (She told me she was Columbian). She also tells me that she has had white guys pay $$.5 for her "three options", not sure I believe that, since her first quote was $.5

Back to the AMPs or apartments for me.[/QUOTE]

I've gotten the triple nickel (.5/.5/.5), down to .75 the first time I went to a LMP (check my title.) The second time was at a different place, and I didn't do so well. All it takes is the balls to haggle, and if you don't get it down to your price, leave.

Decided to stop by Elegant last night. I have never been there and have seen mixed reviews. I had CiCi, she seems a little older, maybe early 30s, but I thought she was fairly attractive. The Dr. Did a good job with her breast implants.

Started session in standing shower. (no TS) Out of the gate she climbed on top of me to sit on my ass while she did the back massage. The massage was good. I asked her if she'd sit that way when she massaged my front.. No problem. On the flip, after removing her clothes, she started with a great "mid section" massage. She leaned over to makes sure I knew the cost would be $ with the only rule being my tongue doesn't touch her "Yang". I agreed. Got CBJ, then multi positions. She talked dirty to me during like she was my girlfriend and sold it well relative to past experiences at other AMPs.

I would definitely repeat with her.

HEADS UP. She suggested when I come back to bring my own towel because "we no use enough soap and wash one day" She said she brings her own towel to clean up during the day. I also sat a talked with her for about 10-15 minutes after and she talked about how bad some men treat her so she make them pay more, or refuse to do anything but massage. She also said cops come for massage and pay-get FS, then few day later come back and arrest girl for same thing. Nice, cops get laid, then come back to bust them later. She said that nice guys who talk nice, ask about her and don't complain get treated really well. She told me "you nice guy" come back and I really take care of you but told me to only pay for 1/2 hour to save. 15.

I would repeat, but have concerns about the dirty towel situation as I don't really towel with a towel in my car.

Overall a pretty good experience. Lesson = treat the girls well. Know the price before going in and don't budge. $ plus the entry fee should get you everything if you place nice with them.

Was in town, so stopped at Lisunia. My ususal experiences are good…but this was just so so. The girl was VGL, tight, hot and smelled like heaven. So if you're into the visual (as I apparently am)…this works.

My massage session was skilled, but awfully quick, followed by a very lame HR, no touching.

Looking at her near perfect body as she left gave me a raging hard on….shit!

[QUOTE=Dynomutt]I've gotten the triple nickel (.5/.5/.5), down to .75 the first time I went to a LMP (check my title.) The second time was at a different place, and I didn't do so well. All it takes is the balls to haggle, and if you don't get it down to your price, leave.[/QUOTE]In my experience latinas respond to compliments and flirting more so than the asian girls do, If you talk sweet with her tell her how beautiful she is and how nice she feels and things like that you are likely to soften them up a little and give in on pricing, Trying a few compliments in Spanish even if its bad Spanish also seems to work.

This has been my experience anyhow.

So after a disappointing streak with the Neighborhood place and Presidential, decided to go back and check out my ATF Latina Karen at Tropical. She rocks, gives great service, doesnt ask for tip up front, and works my body real good. I felt like a piece of meat that was getting tenderized. Gives table shower before and after the massage and turns on the steam..Lets hands roam freely and is great at teasing the boys... knows just where to rub to get me a raging hard on.... All this with very little talking, which I just happen to like. She is thick blonde Latina. Tits look bigger with pushup bra and body is slightly flabby, but has great muscular legs and nice ass. Granted not as hot as the chicks at Lisunia, but she worked me so good that I shot my load so hard it reached the wall...LOL !!! - she thought that was funny and had a good laugh about that...She is great - will return for her...

anyone know of any other good ones at this place? saw a bored looking Puerto Rican chick that I did not care for and a shorter chubbier chick with dark hair with a cute face that might be worth my while as it looked like her tits were huge...anyone got info on these 2?

Just an FYI. The place that I reported was called Sky Blue. I might be wrong on the name, but I doubt it because I saw the name on the board above the window. In addition, I mentioned the name to the girl who did my massage. Here is the number. 773 637 2269.

Thanks guys.

Sorry I didn't remember the name, but Wednesday evening they had two old ladies on (40's-50). I drew the younger one and the table shower sucked - no touching and threw water everywhere, soaking my hair.

Then in the room I thought things were looking up when she allowed my hands to roam freely. On the flip, she gave me a disinterested HJ and after 10 minutes of bad attitude and complaining that I took too long, I thought this is a waste of time. I got dressed and left zero tip (paid .7 hour fee). Will not return.

[QUOTE=Nino Torres]Just an FYI. The place that I reported was called Sky Blue. I might be wrong on the name, but I doubt it because I saw the name on the board above the window. In addition, I mentioned the name to the girl who did my massage. Here is the number. 773 637 2269.

Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]Gentlemen,

I googled the phone number and it is listed to "Blue Island" at 6007 W. Belmont. The listing is under the Beauty Spa/ Massage category.

Enjoy,

HR

Hey, am in town for a friends wedding. Generally try to leave good TR's when I can (check out my posts from before), and wanted to get advice on a good place to get a solid massage with release (any other extras optional, but a bonus). PM me if you could.

Thanks again

Shoe

PS. Am about to RTFF, so will have an idea of whats been talked about before.

[QUOTE=Nudus81]Decided to stop by Elegant last night. I have never been there and have seen mixed reviews. I had CiCi, she seems a little older, maybe early 30s, but I thought she was fairly attractive. The Dr. Did a good job with her breast implants.

Started session in standing shower. (no TS) Out of the gate she climbed on top of me to sit on my ass while she did the back massage. The massage was good. I asked her if she'd sit that way when she massaged my front.. No problem. On the flip, after removing her clothes, she started with a great "mid section" massage. She leaned over to makes sure I knew the cost would be $ with the only rule being my tongue doesn't touch her "Yang". I agreed. Got CBJ, then multi positions. She talked dirty to me during like she was my girlfriend and sold it well relative to past experiences at other AMPs.

I would definitely repeat with her.

HEADS UP. She suggested when I come back to bring my own towel because "we no use enough soap and wash one day" She said she brings her own towel to clean up during the day. I also sat a talked with her for about 10-15 minutes after and she talked about how bad some men treat her so she make them pay more, or refuse to do anything but massage. She also said cops come for massage and pay-get FS, then few day later come back and arrest girl for same thing. Nice, cops get laid, then come back to bust them later. She said that nice guys who talk nice, ask about her and don't complain get treated really well. She told me "you nice guy" come back and I really take care of you but told me to only pay for 1/2 hour to save. 15.

I would repeat, but have concerns about the dirty towel situation as I don't really towel with a towel in my car.

Overall a pretty good experience. Lesson = treat the girls well. Know the price before going in and don't budge. $ plus the entry fee should get you everything if you place nice with them.[/QUOTE]


I swore this place off on my last visit but this report intrigued me to give another chance. I struck out at City Massage on 31st with Suzy who was too damn business like for me. Nothing like haggling to kill the mood. Her massage was however outstanding but I didnt even finish up cuz of negotiations. So I tried Elegant based on this review. MY experience was the best siince my LeiLei from Ruby has disappeared. CiCi was very friendly, very sexy and lots of fun. I will repeat. This place has a new vote of confidence. Thanks Nudus.

[QUOTE=Silvio]I swore this place off on my last visit but this report intrigued me to give another chance. I struck out at City Massage on 31st with Suzy who was too damn business like for me. Nothing like haggling to kill the mood. Her massage was however outstanding but I didnt even finish up cuz of negotiations. So I tried Elegant based on this review. MY experience was the best siince my LeiLei from Ruby has disappeared. CiCi was very friendly, very sexy and lots of fun. I will repeat. This place has a new vote of confidence. Thanks Nudus.[/QUOTE]


Where is elegant located? I searched google and get multiple listings for nails etc. Is it on Lincoln or Irving Park?? An address or cross streets would be great...thanks!!

During the week I stopped at Crane's Oriental Massage. This is located at 63rd & Kedzie. The facility is well kept and relatively new as this has been in business for six months. It has 4 massage rooms but they walls don't go to the ceiling. They are offering a 1 hr massage for $.6 with table shower. I was greeted by Crane herself. She is the owner, mama-san and massage therapist.

Crane is approximately 55 years old, average looks, pleasant personality and poor massage skills. She told me that she didn't go to school for massage but is self taught after getting some instruction. The massage equaled her skill level. She was quick to tell me the difference between a Chinese massage and an American massage. The Americans expect sex with their massage and she only does Chinese massage. I told her that I was a nephew of Uncle Sam and a full-blooded patriotic American that enjoys sex with my massage. She quickly explained the I should come back because she has 3 girls there and they all do "everything". I inquired which one I should ask for and her response sounded like "Sodo".

It was time for the table shower which was like the massage, not enthusiastic and uninspired. I requested and received a handshake (apparently she considers hand jobs Un-American) which also was poor. I held the shower hose/head on me while she performed the service because it was freezing. It was as cold as the place on 31st street.

Don't get me wrong, she was very nice and tried to be good, she just isn't. I did tip her $.4 as she is the mama-san and did provide me with the inside information. She was extremely grateful for the tip and gave me a legit handshake when I gave it to her.
I will repeat to see what the others have to offer but I won't see Crane in the therapist capacity again.

P.S. Self Hi5, Elegant is at 237 W. 26th Street

I am almost always up for something new. Saw an ad on CL for the "Grand Opening" of Paradise on South Wabash. Ad lays out a list of prices for five types of massage. Ad mentioned appointments required, but it also mentioned walk-ins welcome. I drive past the place on my way to work nearly every day, so I decided to walk in. First attempt, the "lights were on," but no one was home. I rattled on the door but no one came to let me in. I took that as a good sign--I assumed they were busy in the back with customers. I wandered off to do some last minute Christmas shopping. When I came back a woman was in one of the salon chairs having her nails done. Not my cup of tea, so I decided to walk around a bit and come back later. An hour later, same thing, a different woman was in a salon chair having her nails done. Decision time. I demurred. Shop looks small through the front window. Not my thing to enjoy a massage in back while half the neighborhood is having their nails or eyebrows done up front. Even worse, not my idea of relaxation to sit in a salon chair and "wait" for my massage while my masseuse finishes a manicure for the girl next door. Not exactly sure I have the business model down at this new place. Not exactly sure Paradise has their own business model down either. Anyone have a different result?

[QUOTE=Self Hi5]Where is elegant located? I searched google and get multiple listings for nails etc. Is it on Lincoln or Irving Park?? An address or cross streets would be great...thanks!![/QUOTE]

Its on 26th street 1 block west of Wentworth and across the street from Ricobenes. You should try their breaded steak sandwich while there.

[QUOTE=Gus Hogan]I am almost always up for something new. Saw an ad on CL for the "Grand Opening" of Paradise on South Wabash. When I came back I came back a woman was in one of the salon chairs having her nails done. Not my cup of tea, so I decided to walk around a bit and come back later. An hour later, same thing, a different woman was in a salon chair having her nails done. Decision time. I demurred.[/QUOTE]I can' speak for this place. But Oriental Nails and Massage (since closed) on Peterson had same set up. Can't vouch for their manicures--and only saw woman having nails done once--but when girls took you in back they offered enjoyable options.

I had 2 visits, 2 different experinces. First week I saw Lisa. Very friendly okay massage, Good talk led to more fun. We talked the talk and ended up with a fully nude CBJ for $. No real complaints if you like curvey gals. Thanks Donny! Next week went for a repeat. Lisa was off, so I got Kasey. Engrish berry berry bad, Massage was, well it it sucked. But the I did get a good HR, but when I got back to my car only 40 minutes passed. Win some, lose some. I may repeat, but not with Kasey. I do like the off street parking. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Silvio]Its on 26th street 1 block west of Wentworth and across the street from Ricobenes. You should try their breaded steak sandwich while there.[/QUOTE]Glad you had fun and that she was consistent in service.

(long time listener, first time caller)

So I almost stopped for a fried steak. But the little head convinced the big head that CiCi would be tastier. He was right.

Is CheeChee working?

SeeSee?

Er, yes. (woops)

She's busy, done in 20 minutes.

Saw 2 girls working, 30ish. Cute petite 7's. Wouldn't mind that but decided to wait for CiCi. Please take a moment to admire such discipline.

Fast forward 30 minutes.

Cici is flirty, fun and gives a great massage. Lots of pressure, sits on you to knead the back and then spins around to work the legs. And get ready for one of the best transitions you'll ever experience because while she's on top, she'll reach around and starts massaging the boys for what seemed like 5 minutes. First time I ever flipped over without being asked. Couldn't wait no more.

She says she doesn't take the top off for just a HR, but some pleases and persistance paid off as she turned around and I happily unzipped and unsnapped. The Dr did do well but I prefer bigger and perkier. They were nice little C's, felt good.

.35 for the house and left. 4 on my clothes, as is my style, so no negotiation needed.

Will go back and ask for SeeSee and will prolly have a fried steak after.

Nicely Done

[QUOTE=Rockvspaper](long time listener, first time caller)

So I almost stopped for a fried steak. But the little head convinced the big head that CiCi would be tastier. He was right.

Is CheeChee working?

SeeSee?

Er, yes. (woops)

She's busy, done in 20 minutes.

Saw 2 girls working, 30ish. Cute petite 7's. Wouldn't mind that but decided to wait for CiCi. Please take a moment to admire such discipline.

Fast forward 30 minutes.

Cici is flirty, fun and gives a great massage. Lots of pressure, sits on you to knead the back and then spins around to work the legs. And get ready for one of the best transitions you'll ever experience because while she's on top, she'll reach around and starts massaging the boys for what seemed like 5 minutes. First time I ever flipped over without being asked. Couldn't wait no more.

She says she doesn't take the top off for just a HR, but some pleases and persistance paid off as she turned around and I happily unzipped and unsnapped. The Dr did do well but I prefer bigger and perkier. They were nice little C's, felt good.

.35 for the house and left. 4 on my clothes, as is my style, so no negotiation needed.

Will go back and ask for SeeSee and will prolly have a fried steak after.[/QUOTE]

stumbled in a couple months ago....the whole experience was worthless...


[QUOTE=Bebop60]Sorry I didn't remember the name, but Wednesday evening they had two old ladies on (40's-50). I drew the younger one and the table shower sucked - no touching and threw water everywhere, soaking my hair.

Then in the room I thought things were looking up when she allowed my hands to roam freely. On the flip, she gave me a disinterested HJ and after 10 minutes of bad attitude and complaining that I took too long, I thought this is a waste of time. I got dressed and left zero tip (paid .7 hour fee). Will not return.[/QUOTE]

Saw an ad for a LMP, turned out to be a rather attractive woman working out of an apartment. Supposed to be 30 for an hour, but she had to go take her baby to a DrS appointment. That being said, 30 an hour, standard LMP rate structure and she was kind of hot. I will say the massage was mediocre, but she was kind of hot. So I paid her 70 for topless and full access up her skirt. She offered to give me CBJ for the same amount, but I am not a fan of that sort of thing.

Just goes to show, if they are kind of hot, I am will put up with anything.

Pm, if you want the digits, but you should be able to find them by searching CL for 30

Gf

Thought I would give the LMP a try since reading the rates may be down..NOTTTT!!
Massage 40 for the hour, no ts, massage was a 5, girl was a 6 kind of chubby but nice attitude. Standard rates I got down to .40 for HR Yasmin.
Happy Hunting

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Went to elegant today. This has now become my new fave place
had shirley. .5 at the door .4 for everything fs

There is an Elegant thread

I have been exalting this place for months (years?)! However, I dont get into Chinatown as much as I used to. Might need to make some special arragnements to visit

Not sure if Lisa still works there. A bit larger for an Asian. Read my previous posts about her. But, she was (is) one fo the best for me.

I've been on the board for a while now and get my intel from here. I always kept on reading about htis place called Harvest and a provider named Cindy and it was always a good review.

Last Friday I actually gathered my guts to check out the place. I got there and saw the infamous doggie and the papasan in glasses. I was asked if I've been there before and of course I said yes and asked for Cindy who, happens to be the girl standing right next to me.

I guess beauty really is in the eyes of the beholder because I really wasn't that into her. On our way to the table shower, I spied on a better looking female who was folding towels in the adjacent room that was next to the latrine. I was about to ask if I could get her instead but I didn't want to offend Cindy sonce she was already getting ready for me.

The table shower was great! The water temp was perfect onthe first try, she lathered you up with her bare hands and teased you to a good stiffie and played with the chorizo con huevos. It was like "Holy cow! This lady don't look that good but she sure does know how to please a man! " My eyes were rolling to the back of my head already and my breathing was already heavily labored. (This is NOT an exageration!) I usually am good at controlling myself wwith that kin of stuff but she just took me away! After the shower was over, she started to pat me down, I insisted on doing it myself but she didn't budge, she patted me from the back, headed down, then to the front nad before you know it, bham! Mr. Biggles hits her on the cheek! I apologized to her for the honest accident but she just giggled. It was kinda awkward walking out of the shower with a big piece of wood.

When we get to the massage table, I immediately dimmed the lights a little bit more and, (please don't hate me for this, afterall, it is the Holidays) gave her a. 2 tip telling her how much I loved and apreciated her table shower and that it was the best I have ever had! She smiled and said her thanks.

She gave one of the best MP massage I have ever had. As she got down to my thighs, her hands were once again killing me! I couldn't tell if she was swiping the boys on purpose or accidentally. I could not tell. But what surprised me most was when she slipped her arm underneath me and starting playing and grabbing Charlie. Oh my God I was in heaven already and I haven't even flipped yet.

The flip comes, she gives a good chest rub and starts to play with my nipples and then she starts licking and sucking on them! Holy Cow! That felt good! She stops for a second and I open my eyes to investigate. She was taking her top off! The girls were still behind a pair of holders though. She continues the massage and finishes up by the thighs again. She starts this little light touching/brushing scheme that made Mr. Stiffie into a tough and rough Mr. Stiffie! She was blowing my mind away! She didn't ask for anything but gave her best service. The ending was so good, I blew my load to the wall past my head and even got jizz on my shoulder. She cleaned me up with a couple of hot towels and finished up the massage on my head and shoulders.

It was a great session! I gave a. 6 tip in addition to the. 2 for the great table shower. Overall it was A+ service and an A+ experience!

If you are caught getting a rub and tug do you have to register as a sex offender?

Has anyone tried China Dolls or the Thai Palace.

Dude, I'm all for keeping costs down, but if you get great service, then it's well worth it. What I'm against is paying good money for mediocre service. If someone treats you right, I'm all for treating them right. When they haggle or do a half-assed job on the massage and/or the finish, then I say hold the line.

I don't know how much you paid for the half hour but probably a total of 130 for a HJ is qustionable regardless of the service and how hot the girl is, right? I'm open to opions on this.

Ncogni2, was that your first HJ or something? It sounds like it.

[QUOTE=Chi Troll]If you are caught getting a rub and tug do you have to register as a sex offender?[/QUOTE]

NO! If you get busted during what you describe you may have to end up going to that amends program over at Madison & California run through the courts by some ex-hookers. You are not classified as a sex offender though.

I have visited a few asian apts but never get my 1 hr for 160. Usually 20-25 mins. It usually starts with some light touching and then 10-15 mins of fs. It almosyt seems better to pay for the half hr at 120.

Does anyone actually get close to the 1hr?

Hello All, did anyone of you try this girl out? Is she legit? Sew this ads almost daily in CL and also posted in the Backpage? Any suggestion are welcome. Happy Holiday!

[url]http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/thp/1523611689.html[/url]

[quote]Hello Everyone,
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My name is Janine, I'm in my early 20s , fun, in- shape,classy, and very good at what I do, and I'm looking for new clients. Please feel free to give me call when your ready to make an appointment! It's in a private room, very calm and relaxing atmosphere and I also offer table baths. Please call to set up your appointment (773) 397-6561 Please Call With Appointments Only

1hr = $75
90 min = $120
30min = $45[/quote]

I visited this place myself. It was a first time experience for me. Had a hour massage for 60. Half way talked about a hand shake for 60 told her I only had 50 (thanks board). I was nervous myself, She was touching and let touching. She finished the massage cleaned up everything and dressed me. I don't know if I over payed but it was a good experience. Her name was summer. If I told to much or not enough please let me know.,

Merry Christmas

[QUOTE=Geek]Decided to stop at the AMP on N. Pulaski (N. Of Irving) that's been advertising on CL lately. Typical store front with the neon "open" sign. Lily answered the door, let me in. Got the regular business out of the way and headed to the room & got ready. She came in and told me TS was at the end. Massage was better than average, she uses her arms & knees, but she kept answering her cell. After the massage, we went to the TS for a good cleaning. She started negotiating and wouldn't budge on her 80 request for the longest time, finally said 60 after I said "just finish rinsing". I let her finish the rinse, gave her 30 and left.

Won't be back![/QUOTE]

Gentlemen and Ladies?

I just want to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year. In particular I would like to thank Paleface, Happy Gardener, Donny and all you other guys for contributring and making this an enjoyable and valuable board. I learned a few things this year, notably some humility, how to defuse a situation with humor and looked into a mirror that made me realize what a dick I must have been when I was younger.

Keep supporting good service, your brothers on the board and the ladies who give you a little extra thrill.

Mr. Tom Dart please spend your energy catching the real criminals in Chicago. The fat cats who are defrauding the tax payers for Millions and the gang bangers who are shooting kids at a rate of at least one a week.

[QUOTE=Sticky Rice]I have visited a few asian apts but never get my 1 hr for 160. Usually 20-25 mins. It usually starts with some light touching and then 10-15 mins of fs. It almosyt seems better to pay for the half hr at 120.

Does anyone actually get close to the 1hr?[/QUOTE]Yes: But not very often. i usually get out around the 45-50 min. mark. I like to take my time in the shower, and talk quite a bit during the rub. Where are you from, family here or there, blah, blah, blah. I like to keep the oral session lasting as long as posable. Hopefully without nutting, (yeah it's happened). And then switch off to as many positions as she will allow. Bust loose and GTF out.

Play safe and Happy New Year.

[QUOTE=Sticky Rice]I have visited a few asian apts but never get my 1 hr for 160. Usually 20-25 mins. It usually starts with some light touching and then 10-15 mins of fs. It almosyt seems better to pay for the half hr at 120.

Does anyone actually get close to the 1hr?[/QUOTE]Only once or twice. Been thinking I need to do the same thing and a lot of places are doing the half hour rate that did not before.