[QUOTE=Lexx1;7114594]I find Korean girls in the P4 P world nowadays as nonpros[/QUOTE]What is a "P4 P non-pro"? Sounds like an oxymoron, like military intelligence or jumbo shrimp. LOL.
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[QUOTE=Lexx1;7114594]I find Korean girls in the P4 P world nowadays as nonpros[/QUOTE]What is a "P4 P non-pro"? Sounds like an oxymoron, like military intelligence or jumbo shrimp. LOL.
[QUOTE=Lexx1;7114227]Latina Casitas[/QUOTE]Oooh. I really want to find some of these but I'm a straight mayo monkey so I don't know where to look. Haha Throw a brotha a bone and DM me a location or two? They have a lineup?
[QUOTE=Chupacabra;7115666]What is a "P4 P non-pro"? Sounds like an oxymoron, like military intelligence or jumbo shrimp. LOL.[/QUOTE]If you read the nonpro or sugarbaby thread you'd know. A non-pro is basically any civie girl that's never been paid for sex and needs some financial help. It's a bit similar to a sugarbaby. But a sugarbaby knows what being a sugarbaby entails and goes in knowing she's expected to fuck. A non-pro usually only needs help with very simple things like maybe paying a cellphone bill, gas, some other small bill, etc. And they usually sometimes maybe only meet up one time, a few times or sometimes long-term. Some at the end don't even want the money anymore and just enjoyed your company and the good fuck. A sugarbaby is usually long-term and more expensive.
Yes once a girl has accepted being paid for sex. She technically has become a pro. But you don't refer to a non-pro as a pro. Because you didn't initially find her as a pro. You keep that to yourself. And you keep using the term non-pro. Some non-pros graduate to become a sugarbaby but it's not common. Most only need the help temporarily and never do it again.
[QUOTE=Lexx1;7116061]If you read the nonpro or sugarbaby thread you'd know. A non-pro is basically any civie girl that's never been paid for sex and needs some financial help.[/QUOTE]This is one reason why I don't really like that world. Been there, done that, and it sounds like a rationalization to me. The girl wants to say she isn't fucking the guy for money, but she expects financial help from him. Maybe it's just paying her utility bill, or it could be buying her an expensive hand bag. She expects it. And the guys expects her to fuck him. (Marriage actually strikes me as a similar type of deal.).
I prefer the streetwalkers or the agency girls who are honest about what's happening. Give me cash and I'll fuck you. Straight up.
[QUOTE=Taliesin92;7116184]This is one reason why I don't really like that world. Been there, done that, and it sounds like a rationalization to me. The girl wants to say she isn't fucking the guy for money, but she expects financial help from him. Maybe it's just paying her utility bill, or it could be buying her an expensive hand bag. She expects it. And the guys expects her to fuck him. (Marriage actually strikes me as a similar type of deal.).
I prefer the streetwalkers or the agency girls who are honest about what's happening. Give me cash and I'll fuck you. Straight up.[/QUOTE]You're referring more to the sugarbaby side of things. I'm referring more to non-pros. Which by the questions asked every so often of what a nonpro is. Alot of you guys aren't familiar with them. I started in the nonpro game around 2010 and for me it's a lot more bang for the buck. The only issues I've encountered sometimes is a straight up prostitute trying to pass themselves off as a nonpro. When a nonpro will fuck you for multiple hours, GFE, bare and for roughly the same price a pimped street ho will charge you. There's no comparison. And an agency girl will cost you 3 to 4 times as much as a non-pro for either only a half hour or hour. Still not multiple hours as a nonpro or even being able to do overnights with them at a very reasonable amount. Plus you're not dealing with high volume girls that a pimped ho or agency girl are.
I've been in both worlds and many other type P4P. The one I'm in now for me works the best. Everyone has their preferred way.
[QUOTE=Lexx1;7116061] A non-pro usually only needs help with very simple things like maybe paying a cellphone bill, gas, some other small bill, etc. And they usually sometimes maybe only meet up one time, a few times or sometimes long-term. Some at the end don't even want the money anymore and just enjoyed your company and the good fuck. A sugarbaby is usually long-term and more expensive.[/QUOTE]Excellent analysis and I agree, the only thing I would add is that, depending on how much you help out a non pro, it could end up costing just as much, if not more, than a full blown SW. If you start paying her cell phone bill, start buying her gift cards, vapes, giving them rides, etc (speaking from personal experience here) it can add up to more than just giving a streetwalker 80 or so for a car date. But the experience is so much better imo, and non pros never seem to want to use condoms too, unlike sws who walk around with a whole purse of them.
But yeah, if you're a hardcore monger and all you care about is getting off and then moving on, I guess a SW is better. Or at least more transparent and less time consuming.
[QUOTE=Ezinho;7117208]Excellent analysis and I agree, the only thing I would add is that, depending on how much you help out a non pro, it could end up costing just as much, if not more, than a full blown SW. If you start paying her cell phone bill, start buying her gift cards, vapes, giving them rides, etc (speaking from personal experience here) it can add up to more than just giving a streetwalker 80 or so for a car date. But the experience is so much better imo, and non pros never seem to want to use condoms too, unlike sws who walk around with a whole purse of them.
But yeah, if you're a hardcore monger and all you care about is getting off and then moving on, I guess a SW is better. Or at least more transparent and less time consuming.[/QUOTE]Appreciate your input. It'd be nice for guys that like SWs if the price was still 80 for half / half. But the average nowadays is 120. Some girls ask higher than that but you always should negotiate down. Some girls want 80 or higher just for a CBJ.
A non-pro when you can get so much more for a simple 50 to 70 cellbill. It just makes sense. Yes you can spend more sometimes as well. But still even when you do it's still a better value and bang for the buck. I don't overthink things when it comes to nonpros or sugarbabies. At the end of the day it's still a girl you're paying to fuck you. Just like any other P4 P. She's not your GF. But she's giving you a full blown GFE experience in bed. And at the end when the fuck meet is done. I go back to my life and she goes back to hers. No need to overcomplicate it.
Pro. A girl who charges money to do boom boom, advertises to the general public, and has some price transparency.
Sugar daddy. A girl who charges too much money to do boom boom, offers no transparency as to price to the general public, and will tell you she is exclusive to you all the while having skid marks on her sniz.
Non pro. A girl who charges somewhere between a pro and a sugar daddy, and does not have a web presence because she likes to use the illusion of not being a prostitute to suck more money from guys.
[QUOTE=Chupacabra;7115668]Oooh. I really want to find some of these but I'm a straight mayo monkey so I don't know where to look. Haha Throw a brotha a bone and DM me a location or two? They have a lineup?[/QUOTE]It's been years since I've been to one. There's the El Clasificado thread which you should check. I used to go to a couple deep in south central but don't know if they're still there. And don't remember the streets. It helps alot if you speak Spanish because that's how most communicate when you contact them.
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Non pro. A girl who charges somewhere between a pro and a sugar daddy, and does not have a web presence because she likes to use the illusion of not being a prostitute to suck more money from guys.[/QUOTE]Sorry but you got this one completely wrong. I've seen you troll the original nonpro thread over the years with similar arguments. If you never tried it. Then you don't know what it's about.
A non-pro is actually the cheapest of all three. With an average amount spent anywhere between 50 to 100. The mistake some guys would make is starting to buy them gifts and doing other things. When you do that you're starting to treat them like a sugarbaby. Which they are not. I would always just provide the actual help they needed, get our fuck on and then go home. That's why I said before I don't overcomplicate things. When you work it like that. The cost will always be the lowest.
One should always speak from experience. Not from observing from the outside.
[QUOTE=Lexx1;7118240]Sorry but you got this one completely wrong. I've seen you troll the original nonpro thread over the years with similar arguments. If you never tried it. Then you don't know what it's about.
A non-pro is actually the cheapest of all three. With an average amount spent anywhere between 50 to 100. The mistake some guys would make is starting to buy them gifts and doing other things. When you do that you're starting to treat them like a sugarbaby. Which they are not. I would always just provide the actual help they needed, get our fuck on and then go home. That's why I said before I don't overcomplicate things. When you work it like that. The cost will always be the lowest.
One should always speak from experience. Not from observing from the outside.[/QUOTE]Ah yes, the nonpro that cannot be shared, proven, or verified. Like when mr. Hollywood claims to be fucking black STEM majors at USC, but does not have pictures or receipts.
But the logic here is the key:
A nonpro is a girl who apparently is short on cash. But, she somewhat likes your company and your cash, so she fooks in return for such cash. Such cash can apparently be well below the market level for boom boom, in tribute to the desirability of the John.
The assumption is that there exists a female dumb enough to have sex for covering a car insurance payment or a utility bill. Any female with the ability to get on reddit will find a plethora of options for shaking her money maker to cover 100 utility bills. Ah, but you say, she is very discreet and has a relationship with just you and therefore, you cannot and will not share her. Like string theory, she does not exist.
Like I said man if you never tried it. Then you don't know what the heck you're talking about. Which is fine because it means one less knucklehead and more girls for the rest of us. I know what I've done and continue to do.
Just stick to your Asian grannies in those westside AMPs. That's your expertise and what you should comment on.
Think I'll take your profile's banner message and finally add you to the ignore list.
[QUOTE=PriscillaM;7118308]Ah yes, the nonpro that cannot be shared, proven, or verified. Like when mr. Hollywood claims to be fucking black STEM majors at USC, but does not have pictures or receipts.
But the logic here is the key:
A nonpro is a girl who apparently is short on cash. But, she somewhat likes your company and your cash, so she fooks in return for such cash. Such cash can apparently be well below the market level for boom boom, in tribute to the desirability of the John.
The assumption is that there exists a female dumb enough to have sex for covering a car insurance payment or a utility bill. Any female with the ability to get on reddit will find a plethora of options for shaking her money maker to cover 100 utility bills. Ah, but you say, she is very discreet and has a relationship with just you and therefore, you cannot and will not share her. Like string theory, she does not exist.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Lexx1;7118574]Like I said man if you never tried it. Then you don't know what the heck you're talking about. Which is fine because it means one less knucklehead and more girls for the rest of us. I know what I've done and continue to do.
Just stick to your Asian grannies in those westside AMPs. That's your expertise and what you should comment on.
Think I'll take your profile's banner message and finally add you to the ignore list.[/QUOTE]I did a few gigs with "non pros" - these were girls on the periphery of the pro scene. They were flakier than the pros and I have no desire to have a friend "with benefits" I just want the benefits and work overtime at vons to pay for it.
As for ignore lists, I am not sure I get the point.
To me all this social media is like the old white pin board at the local cafe, you would see ads for guitar lessons, protests against the expansionist huge massive multi continental larger than any other country state of Israel, rideshare requests to the city, sublet ads, etc. If I could, I guess I would ignore the ads for used underwear, but then I would not be heeding the words of King David as repeated by Ben zoma:
Ben Zoma would say: Who is wise? One who learns from every man. As is stated (Psalms 119:99): "From all my teachers I have grown wise, for Your testimonials are my meditation. ".
Nonpro.
Personally I consider a nonpro is a girl that does not depend on prostitution as their main source of income. Or the girls does notworknom a regular basis. I would like find some girls like this in SD.
[QUOTE=PriscillaM;7118308]Ah yes, the nonpro that cannot be shared, proven, or verified. Like when mr. Hollywood claims to be fucking black STEM majors at USC, but does not have pictures or receipts.
But the logic here is the key:
A nonpro is a girl who apparently is short on cash. But, she somewhat likes your company and your cash, so she fooks in return for such cash. Such cash can apparently be well below the market level for boom boom, in tribute to the desirability of the John.
The assumption is that there exists a female dumb enough to have sex for covering a car insurance payment or a utility bill. Any female with the ability to get on reddit will find a plethora of options for shaking her money maker to cover 100 utility bills. Ah, but you say, she is very discreet and has a relationship with just you and therefore, you cannot and will not share her. Like string theory, she does not exist.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MongerSeeker;7118961]Nonpro.
Personally I consider a nonpro is a girl that does not depend on prostitution as their main source of income. Or the girls does notworknom a regular basis. I would like find some girls like this in SD.[/QUOTE]Now that first sentence is a good definition. But any girl who does sell pussy is not reliable in any other field of employ. So, I still posit that more than 50% of a nonpro's AGI is from selling sniz.