WYP, SA, and other SD sites

[QUOTE=BaltoMan66;3940655]So her first ask was $650. I told her that was aggressive. She went down to $500. I asked her what she was bringing to the situation. She asked what I wanted instead of providing an answer. So, I explained what I wanted on a per meet basis $200, and I said if you want more, we meet more. I don't really expect a reply.

The ladies generally seem to think that they have a bull market, no pun intended, where they should be able to get whatever they want, whether the ask is reasonable or not. I don't know who is perpetuating that bullshit, but at least I get a clear indication of when to move along.[/QUOTE]I agree, I don't know why these girls expect to have more than 250 knowing above that amount, we could get P.S. With raw dog action. Plus younger ones like in 18 to 20's are worst because they perform poor in giving the action due to lack of experience or shyness or whatever (exeptions are there though).

[QUOTE=VeryBigBuck;3942510]Last night I met up with my newest SB for a nice sushi dinner. We had done a meet and greet last week and she confirmed before last night's date that she was down to grab a hotel after dinner to add the physical aspect to our new friendship. The best part is that there was zero discussion of money. She is 5 foot nothing, slim, early 20's and a PhD candidate. She looks 18. She is light as a feather so I had a sh*t eating grin on my face as I was lifting her up and down on my cock like a fleshlight.

The game takes a lot of patience but every once in a while all the stars line up and I can't believe that it was so easy with this one.[/QUOTE]Share details. Like damage? Menu etc. And can you share contact via PM?

[QUOTE=BaltoMan66;3940655]So her first ask was $650. I told her that was aggressive. She went down to $500. I asked her what she was bringing to the situation. She asked what I wanted instead of providing an answer. So, I explained what I wanted on a per meet basis $200, and I said if you want more, we meet more. I don't really expect a reply.

The ladies generally seem to think that they have a bull market, no pun intended, where they should be able to get whatever they want, whether the ask is reasonable or not. I don't know who is perpetuating that bullshit, but at least I get a clear indication of when to move along.[/QUOTE]I'm chatting with here now. We'll see how it goes. One thing is for sure it won'tbe going 6 bills HA!

[QUOTE=Jbunk;3942671]Chatted with this one LOL she wants 2 k a month lmfao.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/9ad36ed9-4e08-4423-864f-a399dc9d32e8[/URL][/QUOTE]LMAO too bad I can't give you a high five on that!

[QUOTE=Bigrafi219;3942822]LMAO too bad I can't give you a high five on that![/QUOTE]Someone send her a message. And let me know what she says LOL what she ask from you.

Not sure anyone else knew this. But it appears content / feedback we share has found its way to the city guide. Our user names and posts!

[URL]https://cityxguide.com/forums/topic/wyp-sa-and-other-sd-sites/page/68/[/URL]

I have seen this one several times now.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/dd879418-b9d8-4bb5-8de2-0e3e1daa3694[/URL]

She is short, athletic with a great ass. Which I am a well documented fan of PAWGs. She wants at least $. 2 to meet and she does not host. Her downside is that she gets paranoid when she smokes, and she smokes often. I normally PM seniors with my favorites, but it is time for me to move on from her. Treat her very well gents.

[QUOTE=FunForDevils;3942789]Share details. Like damage? Menu etc. And can you share contact via PM?[/QUOTE]This one is a keeper, just like a very horny girlfriend. We did every thing but anal, but I did not try for it. Uncovered everything, CIP.

[QUOTE=Bigrafi219;3943568]Not sure anyone else knew this. But it appears content / feedback we share has found its way to the city guide. Our user names and posts!

[URL]https://cityxguide.com/forums/topic/wyp-sa-and-other-sd-sites/page/68/[/URL][/QUOTE]Up though April this year.

1) [b]clouud[/b]
[QUOTE=Yeong Il;3864409]The profile Shock55 linked has been deactivated, but Skye (the girl's name) has a new one, under the name [B]clouud[/B]:
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/dc174cc3-ac04-40f9-8f8c-4d49a3621334[/URL]

She told me that she's DTF. I'm trying to set up a meeting with her, but it's been difficult for me to get in contact with her. A little bigger than I would like, but man, she's got 38 DDDs!

Skye also indicated that she has a friend available. The friend's profile name is [B]Alexa_9898[/B]:
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a0143d0f-ce63-48ae-9c1e-560a460c9e5e[/URL][/QUOTE]I forgot to update about this one. Skye is 20 years old, living in York, PA, and I saw her once in late July. LFK, BBBJ, CFS; damage was 200. Natural 38 DDDs, but she is large, though.

Some more contacts before my premium membership expired:

2) [b]17blwtk[/b] ([URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/76489e8a-89b2-4238-a353-8c250155ef00[/URL])
Finally, a Y2 K girl who said that she was DTF. Unfortunately, she's not really in Hershey, PA, but at Penn State (she has friends in Hershey and visits there often). Too far for me. Never asked her what level of allowance she wanted.

3) [b]rblondie26[/b] ([URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/9a766c37-b095-4e2b-9980-83c23103a2dd[/URL])
I know her real name, because there are a couple of FB friends of hers who I know slightly. Because of this, I wasn't about to meet her, but I contacted her anyway to see what she was looking for. Nothing physical, so no surprise there.

4) [b]girl2809[/b] ([URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3c8095af-65d8-485c-b3f6-3fd2eb69d863[/URL])
Prefers an online relationship.

I'v been on SA for awhile and have had some good success. I actually saw a girl on the site that I knew in real life real well and I reached out to her. During our time together I was able to get her to open up about her SA experience and we shared info on both sides of these relationships. From our conversations and my experiences here is what I conclude on certain things. She is an early 20's grad student who has been on SA for about 2 years.

Here are some things I find in general from my experience.

1. Lot of girls sign up for the site and don't know what they are getting into. All they know is they want to talk to men to get money in some kind of way. Some just start messaging people to "see what is offered". Others go in with a set plan and start off thinking that guys are going to send them money for simply having lunch or coffee with them. Some think that they are going to sell pictures / videos or get an allowance for skype dating. Some think people are going to send them money for simply replying to there messages and paying attention to them. Some think a rich guys is going to take them shopping with nothing expected in return simply because they are hot. Some want to find there rich young dream man, get married and live the rest of there life like a princess. The fact of the matter is that there are actually a few guys who do offer and provide these things. Especially when the girl is brand new she may have some short term success. Usually quickly though the girls get what they can from these guys, the guys realize how it is stupid to give a girl money for nothing, and it dries up. A small percentage of these girls (I would say 1 out of 5) realize this is not sustainable move on to actually meeting people in real life. The others simply deactivate there accounts or leave the profile idle and that's it for them.

2. Ok so you find a girl who is interested in meeting. There are 2 types of girls here.

-Type 1, Professional escorts using SA as another lead generation tool for there business. These professionals will usually reach out to you proactively, suggest a meeting, name the location or offer to come to you, and tell you a price in advance. Usually the pictures they have are not accurate and a higher percentage of these girls are on some kind of drugs. Service is usually rushed and mechanical. They want you in and out so they can move on to the next guy. These girls are surprisingly more likely to require condom use. If a girl offers to meet you that night within hours of the first message being sent this is a type 1.

-Type 2 girls are more of the amateur type. They are usually young professionals or University Students having some kind of financial hardship or financial anxiety that brings them to the site. These girls are willing to meet up and are DTF but it takes a little bit more work and some actual game to get the best out of them. For these girls you actually have to have a decent profile, real pictures, and the ability to have a conversation with them to get anywhere. If your pictures or profile is bad most will not respond to your message. The initial conversation has to be like real dating with you showing general interest in them. Once some basic attraction and re-pore is built through the initial messaging you can suggest a Meet and greet. This meet and greet should be in a public place and be more like an actual date. Dinner, Coffee, or Drinks. You need to start of learning about each other and proving you are a normal trustworthy, fun, and attractive person all around. Then towards the end of the date if you feel it is going in the right direction you can talk business, (if its going really well you can sometimes bring them back to your place without talking business and have a fun time without having to offer any compensation). Regardless of what the girl is thinking this type of girl will never bring up business. You have to take the initiative and make an offer. I would say the key is making your offer sound as classy and dignifying as possible. You should clearly and truthfully articulate what kind of meetings you are looking for, what you are willing to provide, and how often you would potentially want to meet. The girl will then decide based on her experience and attraction to you weather she would take your offer. They usually will ghost if they are not interested, very rarely will they counter. Mileage does vary depending on her level of attraction to you. There is no set or normal price. The less attracted to you she is the more you would need to offer. If she ghosts your only hope is to offer substantially more or wait until reality hits her that your offer was actually decent compared to her other meetings (some of these girls have GPS at first and will come back to you later, esp if they are new). As for service level. The more attracted to you she is the better the service she will provide will be. If this type of girl likes you BB everything is almost always available at some point. Once you get one of these girls established and the expectations are set for each meeting and you uphold your obligation they usually stick around until there life circumstances change (real relationship, new job, finding of jesus, moving for a new job or school, or something else not related to you) changes in there life. This type is a lot of work at first but the best pay off.

Notes about type 2 girls.

- The line can easily be blurred between reality and sugar here for both sides. Realize this is always a business in the end and it is not a real relationship and never should be. Do not develop any kind of feelings and expect any kind of commitment from this kind of girl. It will lead to disaster. Enjoy your time, do not become possessive, do not even think about leaving your wife for them. What will happen is either she will go along with it and end of taking advantage of you with your life being impacted or she will get creep-ed out and bail. Remember either of you could end this at any time.

-They are not only having this type of relationship with you. They are banging other guys in the sugar world and "real life guys". Some have boyfriends. Do not bring these other people up as it may make her feel guilty and stop seeing you. Also do not refer to her as prostitute or escort in conversation (you both know this is true, however it makes them feel bad and is not beneficial in anyway) Focus only on the two of you when together.

-If any girl is giving you BBFS realize that she is having BBFS with others as well. There are mongers on this forum who have BBFS relations with multiple girls off the site at the same time on a weekly basis. There is significant risk of obtaining infection and it happens a lot. If you have a wife or significant other you may want to consider using protection. An infection may be curable but explaining it to your real partner would be more challenging. THIS DOES HAPPEN ALOT!

-Type 2 girls sometimes can get addicted to the money and turn into more of a type 1 girl. If she starts all of a sudden using escort terminology, you notice constant bruises on her body esp legs, service becomes rushed, she becomes more demanding. Etc. You may want to move on when this happens. A true type 2 girl is going to give you consistently good service and enjoy spending some time with you outside the bedroom. The girl I mentioned above only had 5 life sex partners when I met her. Yesterday I saw her and she told me she had 3 regular sugar daddy's in the last 2 months. She has one stop by her place in the morning on there way to work, she meets one at a hotel every week, and some she goes to there place. She has BBFS with CIP with all of them. She told me she had 2 meet and greets the day before I saw her. It is in reality probably significantly more guys than this she is seeing. This girl is a grad student at a highly rated University! She is probably a 6 out of 10 in looks, girl next door type, if you met her in real life you would never suspect she had this side of her. Beware of reality and be careful!

-If things are going well and you trust the girl you can offer to change up the compensation plan to a monthly or weekly allowance. Take them on trips or other more things.

Some other tips:

-Never pay a girl compensation for a Meet and Greet. This is a red flag. Move on.

-You decide what is worth it to you. Not what people on the forum say is the "normal price" Every situation is unique. If your not overweight, well groomed, well dressed, good hygiene, under 55, and are "normal" ie not a nut job or socially awkward, $200 to $400 per meet is usually acceptable depending on the girl. If the girl is a super model it will be more. If your super attractive it will be less or free. If your older that 55 you will have to work hard on yourself (be in shape, plus everything else listed above) to have a shot at some of the better girls if your not willing to spend over $1000 a meet.

-It takes alot of work to screen through everyone and find the good type 2 girls. Sometimes you can go months with nothing then pick up 2 great ones in a single week that you see regularly for month. If you find a good type 2 you like a treats you right, treat her right. Focus on building equity with time.

-SA is about fun and nothing else. Do not develop feelings of any kind.

-The girls are usually not honest with there friends and family about what actually happens on the site.

-Do not expect the girl to be honest with you about anything. Just focus on the present.

-The girls always seem to complain about most of the guys they meet off SA as being awkward and it being a waste of time. Just learn how to be "normal" socially and you will have a good experience.

-Regardless if you do everything right a lot of girls will just not respond to your message or agree to meet. Alot will flake and there will be nothing you can do about it. Its part of the cost of doing business.

-Realize it can always end abruptly with no explanation and it usually has nothing to do with you in the end. Do not take it personally.

This is my genuine take on SA. Please let me know if you guys have any feedback good or bad.

[QUOTE=RaverThw;3947294]

Some other tips:

-Never pay a girl compensation for a Meet and Greet. This is a red flag. Move on.

-You decide what is worth it to you. Not what people on the forum say is the "normal price" Every situation is unique. If your not overweight, well groomed, well dressed, good hygiene, under 55, and are "normal" ie not a nut job or socially awkward, $200 to $400 per meet is usually acceptable depending on the girl. If the girl is a super model it will be more. If your super attractive it will be less or free. If your older that 55 you will have to work hard on yourself (be in shape, plus everything else listed above) to have a shot at some of the better girls if your not willing to spend over $1000 a meet.

-It takes alot of work to screen through everyone and find the good type 2 girls. Sometimes you can go months with nothing then pick up 2 great ones in a single week that you see regularly for month. If you find a good type 2 you like a treats you right, treat her right. Focus on building equity with time.

-SA is about fun and nothing else. Do not develop feelings of any kind.

-The girls are usually not honest with there friends and family about what actually happens on the site.

-Do not expect the girl to be honest with you about anything. Just focus on the present.

-The girls always seem to complain about most of the guys they meet off SA as being awkward and it being a waste of time. Just learn how to be "normal" socially and you will have a good experience.

-Regardless if you do everything right a lot of girls will just not respond to your message or agree to meet. Alot will flake and there will be nothing you can do about it. Its part of the cost of doing business.

-Realize it can always end abruptly with no explanation and it usually has nothing to do with you in the end. Do not take it personally.

This is my genuine take on SA. Please let me know if you guys have any feedback good or bad.[/QUOTE]Seriously, thanks for the effort it took to type all that up. I honestly think this is a perfect example of [B]overthinking[/B] this shit.

Type 1? Type 2? It's not a mystery. They want some cash and they will either offer up the pussy or not. If the answer is [b]not[/b], then off we should go for the one that will. [b]Equity[/b]? from a site that's clearly about transactional relationships? You must be joking.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3947643]Seriously, thanks for the effort it took to type all that up. I honestly think this is a perfect example of [B]overthinking[/B] this shit.

Type 1? Type 2? It's not a mystery. They want some cash and they will either offer up the pussy or not. If the answer is [b]not[/b], then off we should go for the one that will. [b]Equity[/b]? from a site that's clearly about transactional relationships? You must be joking.[/QUOTE]I meant equity as in having multiple reliable options available whenever you want over time if you play the game correctly. Once you get to that point it gets easier to obtain new ones, as it does in real dating.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3947643]Seriously, thanks for the effort it took to type all that up. I honestly think this is a perfect example of [B]overthinking[/B] this shit.

Type 1? Type 2? It's not a mystery. They want some cash and they will either offer up the pussy or not. If the answer is [b]not[/b], then off we should go for the one that will. [b]Equity[/b]? from a site that's clearly about transactional relationships? You must be joking.[/QUOTE]I'm with Raver, there's definitely ones who understand the site and ones, especially if you sort by "newest," who reply "heavenly me, you don't expect sex, do you?" I mean for legal reasons the site sells itself as "just go on public dates with men and they pay you. " So these women think that exists. If it does, it barely does, for guys who think if they pay for public dates it'll definitely lead somewhere.

A couple of things I would add to Raver's excellent guide. If things start going downhill (unenthusiastic sex, certain acts no longer on the menu) CUT HER OFF IMMEDIATELY. If you aren't happy she shouldn't be either. Also, stay away from the "allowance" thing unless you're certain the girl is reliable. Paying in advance for service to be rendered is, well, not usually bright.

These three are a waste of time. They are all friends (learned from chatting with them) and expect to get paid to go on dates for doing nothing LOL. Such a shame.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/226fef77-b9bf-4794-960d-cc9667a6bfdf[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ce23f837-22d6-4530-ad20-61dce86563b8[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/41fecb8d-9ad1-4743-add6-0b8541026424[/URL]