There's "discussion" and there's shutting down discussion
[QUOTE=Hofi35;1203719]Yes its discussion forum and I know all suspects of this hobby should be discussed here. But why every time we get into talk about tipping it becomes pages long? And its always about the same old, same old. We all know the guidelines, what to tip for what type of service, if some decides to tip more, or less, it's their thing. The rest of us do not have to agree, but pages and pages of talk will not change anything. And since we are in this, I don't mind to tip more than standard, it just depends on situation I'm in. And, since its discussion forum, no one should tell me that I cannot express my opinion here. We all should just have fun.[/QUOTE]Telling people to shut up is indeed expressing an opinion, but it's a wet blanket onto the valid discussions of other contributing participants in an open forum.
I appreciate your reviews and contributions, and your insight into the hobby, but I think you're letting your dislike of the topic of tipping become an I'dée fixe.
Considering that the amount of tip expected for service changes over time, and that cost is one of the big 3 factors in the hobby (with service and safety probably the other two) , telling people not to talk about tipping, ie, how much service costs, is like telling them to stop talking about how they define GFE.
You might as well go into a stock-trading forum and tell people to shut up already about fees and commissions. Do the E-Trade baby commercials bother you too?
Once upon a time, I could go to an AMP in DC, pay the house 60, and for a 100 tip, get everything I was thinking about. Now I find that the same amounts are being paid for a Nova standard. I learned this by reading it here, to my surprise and dismay.
I find the discussions on tipping helpful to gauge the market over time, and also to try to dissuade newbies from overtipping and both wasting their money and driving up costs and expectations.
There are plenty of topics and discussions on the various boards that don't interest me, but I accept having to scroll past them as the cost of participating in an open forum.
We know you don't care for tip (I. E,"cost") discussions, so just skip past them, read the reviews you like, and as an established senior, feel free to PM me or anyone else for more details on things that interest you.
Laboring some subjects to death!
Glance back through the Forum, and see what is beneficial. Prior to 2005, most of us could pick up information fairly easy. A number of you have already said the same thing, so here I'm laboring the same comments.
Fees are $60 for a half hour, or $80 for an hour. Just accept it or give this hobby up; the girls split with the house doesn't change our hourly rate. On tips, suggest using $40 (never more) for a HJ, $60 for bare, and then $80-120 for the max. For your ATF, that is between the two of you.
What's important. The places to visit or not, which girls are special or not, and the fact it is worth our time and money. For additional details & suggestions, we can PM whoever we want.
I hope someone could help
I hope you all doing fine in this heat. I'm looking for one girl and hope someone seen her somewhere and would be able to PM me where. Her name is Yoyo. She used to work at Orange in DC, then she moved to NoVa sometime in late summer of 09. She worked at Golden Spa in Alexandria (395 and Little River Tnpk corner). I believe she been there until late spring of 2010 then I've lost track of her. Not too long ago I've learned she may still be in Alexandria, different place. She is typical Korean lady, bit older, tight body about 5'2", speak English little to nothing. She may also be known as Nana or Lora. Anyone, anything please PM. Thanks to you all and be safe.
Finally Some Sensability Has Arrived!
Excellent Post! These are the most reasonable rates for the NoVa world. Do or do not follow this suggeston but please keep arguments in PM mode and not in the open.
JJ
[QUOTE=Ready; 1204466]Glance back through the Forum, and see what is beneficial. Prior to 2005, most of us could pick up information fairly easy. A number of you have already said the same thing, so here I'm laboring the same comments.
Fees are $60 for a half hour, or $80 for an hour. Just accept it or give this hobby up; the girls split with the house doesn't change our hourly rate. On tips, suggest using $40 (never more) for a HJ, $60 for bare, and then $80-120 for the max. For your ATF, that is between the two of you.
What's important. The places to visit or not, which girls are special or not, and the fact it is worth our time and money. For additional details & suggestions, we can PM whoever we want. [/QUOTE]
Sounds like the "Sunny" Place
[QUOTE=Ambidextrous; 1204580]Thought I'the check out this office park location, just to get a feel for the place for possible later visits. A chunky woman in her 30s came to the door, told me they were busy, could I come back, it was. 8 / hr. She looked young for MMS, but not attractive enough to be the talent. I asked if Yung worked there (I had heard good things about her) , she shook her head no, 'all new. ' Hmmm.
Driving around the building, I spotted a sign for a sunny place I wasn't aware of, so I stopped and rang the bell. A middle-aged woman came to the door, she seemed to have difficulty speaking, asked me to come back. Asked how much for massage, she responded with some strange hand gestures. I said I didn't understand, she said. 6 / hh, .8 / hr. I asked if she gave the massage. She said yes. Pass.[/QUOTE]Ambi, this sounds like the place I wrote about in my post a few weeks ago. If it was near / at the end it was the same place. This place seems to be a one / two person shop where the providers are the managers as well. See my post for details.
There is at least one other spot in this complex. It is on the upper floor and does give TS.
Re near Route 1. Bell Haven
[QUOTE=Criim44;1204100]Seen a few posts on BP about a new place near the country club, this place is right around the corner from me. Was wondering if anyone had been since I'm still new to the AMP world. Visited one in landmark a few months ago and all my other experience has been with independents so I'm skeptical of most places and not sure what all I should look out for.[/QUOTE]I was wondering the same so came here to see if any reports. Can't see any so I decided to take one for the team.
I am so glad I did. Place is called Shiner Therapy I guess we can call it ST!
4 or 5 modern rooms, staffed by 2 maybe 3 Koreans. Good looking. Mimi my girl spoke good English. No table in shower. But did get a shampoo which with heat around was very nice. Has a small sauna we didn't use.
Had an amazing massage. That was worth the 80. She detected the spots I was needing work on without any prompting. Took her time and was nice and heavy on the massage.
Playful and focused throughout you may need to PM me for more detail I will try to log in regularly. Plenty of roaming allowed and encouraged before the flip and then went beyond a normal NOVA service IMO.
After I had finished during dinner we still had time for frontal massage which was a good as the back.
Its local to me and I will definitely be returning, perhaps to report on the other girl (longer dark curly hair). But would take Mimi every time.
Thanks for restoring my faith in this forum!
[QUOTE=Ready; 1204466]Glance back through the Forum, and see what is beneficial. Prior to 2005, most of us could pick up information fairly easy. A number of you have already said the same thing, so here I'm laboring the same comments.
Fees are $60 for a half hour, or $80 for an hour. Just accept it or give this hobby up; the girls split with the house doesn't change our hourly rate. On tips, suggest using $40 (never more) for a HJ, $60 for bare, and then $80-120 for the max. For your ATF, that is between the two of you.
What's important. The places to visit or not, which girls are special or not, and the fact it is worth our time and money. For additional details & suggestions, we can PM whoever we want. [/QUOTE]I agree 100. You've confirmed that some folks on this forum are paying waaaaayyyy to much for standard service. While that is their right, your and other responses I've received indicated the scale you included is exactly right on.
Thanks
Best Therapy / Holiday Therapy Chantilly
I will be traveling to Chantilly soon. Anyone have a recent report on Best Therapy or Holiday spa near the convention center.
Please PM me.
Thanks Erik
Mary (?) from Orange in DC?
I used to frequent a provider at Orange on Capital Hill in DC. She was unique in that she was a little thicker that most asian women. She had huge naturals up top and a very plump bottom. She also had a colorful tattoo on her back. She was one of my ATF and I lost track after Orange shut down. In my conversation with her she indicated she was an independent, owned her own house in NoVa (which she was constantly fixing up) , and traveled a lot to Vegas. If anyone knows of this provider and can give me some intel on her that would be appreciated.
Bebe's will standard for NOVA but nothing special
[QUOTE=Foxfax;1204174]I met BeBe on my way out, she seems to have a bit of a wilder spark that Judy / Kim has. I may return for her.[/QUOTE]I never posted my report on M&M because nothing really special happened that hasn't been reported on previously. However, so you're aware. I visited back on my last DC trip (May 2011) and drew Bebe. Mid thirties. Likes working in VA (why?) because she no have to boom-boom. Oh well, after discovering this in the TS I knew my hour would be more therapeutic. She is fun and a good masseuse. Can walk out kinks too. But you won't get anything fun on the flip, and she doesn't allow roaming. Not bashing her, she's a nice lady but whether you offer her the standard. 4 tip, or add more in a la carte options with. 2 increments, she sticks to standard nova, with her gear on. YMMV but for me, I've seen enough in M&M to feel my time/$ is better spent elsewhere. Go here if you need a therapeutic and a good standard nova. Go to CTM for fun.
It's best not to let them connect you with online persona at all
[QUOTE=Black Coffee; 1206406]Check out my post #4831
Also they may get us mixed up on here and blame one guy for another's TMI post. [/QUOTE]I never allow any provider of any kind to know that I post here or elsewhere. The fewer connections that can be made, the better for many reasons. Being able to connect you in real life to your postings gives a treasure trove of information that could be turned against you.
A long time ago, Kim, who was running DT after previously running Kona (and working there prior) referred to a post I'd put up on a large-canine site. I denied it, and I can't tell if she believed me, but became much more careful after that.
Four Seasons / Falls Church
My ATF has decided to move over to a new spa called Four Seasons in Falls Church, or the Merrifield area as most of you know it. She doesn't like her details on the Internet, so I hestiate to say anything but the spa is hidden from public view (away from your family & friends driving drive) and being new, it is clean, well laid-out and has a fresh smell.
Place to visit or not: Yes.
Girls special or not: Yes, for my ATF.
Worth time & money: Yes
Spring, Winter, Summer and Fall.
Good first time visit to this place that advertises that it's a "new" place. The location is secluded, with only one way in and out (could be a problem with LE if during late hours). Great facility that is large, very clean, with about 10 private rooms. The TS room and table were both large and clean.
My provider was Mimi. Body 8, face 7. Great massage and service. House. 8 and tip. 4 with very good NoVa finish.
I will visit again.
PM for more details, if necessary.
First post from a long lurker
Visited the new spot in Sterling so will post up about that here in a moment, but figure I'd give a quick overview of my experiences over the past few years. Figure most of the info's old but figure better than nothing.
Most recent before today that I've been to was Booja. By far my best experience. Saw a girl whose named started with an E. Probably in her 40's, decent on top, not bad for her age. First time there picked up quick on my preference regarding my backside. TS all three times by far the best I've had, pretty decent massage, and end was very good with extras on the 3rd visit (PM for details). Gave. 6 each time, as was definitely better than standard nova.
Rumors true the place is shut down? Was hoping to visit again shortly?
Been to a few others around. Far East a few years back and then again about 6 months back. First two times were my first at AMPs and probably didn't help the experience. When I went back some time ago was pretty enjoyable. Forget the name of the lady but was VERY nice up top, talkative but nice girl, who picked up again on what I liked.
Was at Holiday a few times on lunch breaks. Got the MMS every time I think. Was very nice, a bit older but not a bad looker. She think realized pretty quick I'd been to a couple, gave me a joking scolding about only a. 4 tip each time and told me to bring more, but always with a hug and a laugh so was pretty sure she knew I wasn't going to for standard finish. Never seemed to cause a bad attitude by her towards me.
Went to a few in Sterling. Did Green before it was closed. 4 hands. Complete rip off. The girls talked more than anything else and half the time one or the other was out of the room. Went to King a few times before it was busted but apparently was too inexperienced at that time to figure out the full menu.
Went to Sun Spa in Sterling a few months back. Horrible experience. Poor massage, unenthusiastic finish, a shower that wasn't a table but an actual shower they just shove you in. Not good at all.