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[QUOTE=SuStar;6060749]No Buyers = No Business.

Reducing / Abolishing demand for prostitution is most effective.

[URL]https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/238796.pdf[/URL]

[URL]https://www.demandabolition.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Demand-Buyer-Report-July-2019.pdf[/URL]



There's no charity without your part, Smitty.

Save money. Quit buying sex.

You can be with nice women without buying it.[/QUOTE]I think while you may be factually correct in a lot of your proselytizing here about the hookers.

You are missing the point of this forum.

I know I for one don't care about the social justice side of it at all, and understand that I'm supporting potentially negative lifestyles for these women, and I am totally okay with it.

I am not Captain save a hoe here, I am not even a good person generally.

Why did you pick this particular forum to post on your soapbox and try and redeem us consumers of the first profession in the world?

Or do you just enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing?

[QUOTE=SuStar;6060749]No Buyers = No Business.

Reducing / Abolishing demand for prostitution is most effective.

[URL]https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/238796.pdf[/URL]

[URL]https://www.demandabolition.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Demand-Buyer-Report-July-2019.pdf[/URL]



There's no charity without your part, Smitty.

Save money. Quit buying sex.

You can be with nice women without buying it.[/QUOTE]I don't need you or anyone else to tell me what to do, when or how to do it. I'll live my life how I want. Take your bullshit elsewhere.

[QUOTE=SuStar;6060749]

Save money. Quit buying sex.

You can be with nice women without buying it.[/QUOTE]Many of us can't.

[QUOTE=Asmoth;6062017]Why did you pick this particular forum to post[/QUOTE]The debate on prostitution is part of news and media reporting.

I post FYI and to engage in discussion with those who are interested.

If you don't care for it, please don't read it.

[QUOTE=CleveLoser;6062120]Many of us can't.[/QUOTE]As you know, men who have existing relationships buy it as well.

It's every man's personal decision.

I see the reports posted here are frequently negative.

They don't look like good alternatives.

https://www.healthline.com/health/healthy-sex/is-sex-important-in-a-relationship

[QUOTE=PissedOffLaxD;6062099]I don't need you or anyone else to tell me what to do, when or how to do it. I'll live my life how I want[/QUOTE]Congrats on your positive attitude.

Shocking that you've been reduced to paying for it.

For the record, I wasn't telling you what to do.

I was replying to another guy who posted here.

[QUOTE=PissedOffLaxD;6062099]Take your bullshit elsewhere[/QUOTE]Nah.

I'm posting here.

Don't feel obligate to read it.

[QUOTE=JeanJizzes;6061471]Any of you run into this? I saw a new provider and she told me she'd meet me in the lobby, I figured no big deal and when I get there I had to pull out my I'd and let them photo copy it. I was blindsided and I reluctantly let them do it to avoid any suspicion or make the situation awkward / or draw attention to what we were about to do. All I can think of is if she gets popped and they go through records etc. What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]Sorry to read you found yourself unable to walk out.

Take how you will.

[QUOTE=JeanJizzes;6061471]Any of you run into this? I saw a new provider and she told me she'd meet me in the lobby, I figured no big deal and when I get there I had to pull out my I'd and let them photo copy it. I was blindsided and I reluctantly let them do it to avoid any suspicion or make the situation awkward / or draw attention to what we were about to do. All I can think of is if she gets popped and they go through records etc. What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]With all due respect, are you out of your fucking mind? We all understand that what we do is illegal, and as for myself its one of the many illegal things I do and have done for the last 58 years.

Letting anyone make a copy of your drivers license in order to take part in illegal shit is just nuts. If it is a sting you now have given concrete proof of your identity. If its not a sting you have given enough to steal your identity and attempt to raid your accounts or charge up your credit cards.

This is a beautiful example of what not to do.

Cheech.

[QUOTE=Hotrodvfr;6062351]Take how you will.[/QUOTE]Simply do like many others on this forum and use the tools available on this site and add the person to your ignore list.

[QUOTE=Cheech1;6062369]With all due respect, are you out of your fucking mind? We all understand that what we do is illegal, and as for myself its one of the many illegal things I do and have done for the last 58 years.

Letting anyone make a copy of your drivers license in order to take part in illegal shit is just nuts. If it is a sting you now have given concrete proof of your identity. If its not a sting you have given enough to steal your identity and attempt to raid your accounts or charge up your credit cards.

This is a beautiful example of what not to do..[/QUOTE]I couldn't make an exit, I just didn't think fast enough. Nothing leads me to believe it's a sting operation, it's apparently a policy the building has. The provider didn't see or handle my I'd. If it were a sting I wouldn't of gotten a blow job with it LOL.

[QUOTE=JeanJizzes;6061471]Any of you run into this? I saw a new provider and she told me she'd meet me in the lobby, I figured no big deal and when I get there I had to pull out my I'd and let them photo copy it. I was blindsided and I reluctantly let them do it to avoid any suspicion or make the situation awkward / or draw attention to what we were about to do. All I can think of is if she gets popped and they go through records etc. What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]Never show I'd. There used to be a few girls that lived in the low income apartment buildings in Lorain and I wouldn't see them because you had to show I'd and sign in at the door. I'm not leaving a record of who I was seeing and when, especially for an escort.

It must only be during normal working hours. I'd go out to the ones off Broadway close 10 P, and there wouldn't be anyone working at the counter.

[QUOTE=Rafter17;6063390]Never show I'd. There used to be a few girls that lived in the low income apartment buildings in Lorain and I wouldn't see them because you had to show I'd and sign in at the door. I'm not leaving a record of who I was seeing and when, especially for an escort.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lrkin;6063410]It must only be during normal working hours. I'd go out to the ones off Broadway close 10 P, and there wouldn't be anyone working at the counter.[/QUOTE]I never looked to go there that late. I was always looking for the 7-8 time frame.

[QUOTE=Rafter17;6063390]Never show I'd. There used to be a few girls that lived in the low income apartment buildings in Lorain and I wouldn't see them because you had to show I'd and sign in at the door. I'm not leaving a record of who I was seeing and when, especially for an escort.[/QUOTE]Ya fuck it, lesson learned. Everything was burner and exchanged cash. All they know is I was there and no way to tie records together without doing a ton of work, which in my opinion would outweigh the $500 fine and the misdemeanor. If I'm ever presented with that situation again it's "oh I left my wallet in the car, brb" and then just leave.

[QUOTE=JeanJizzes;6063364]I couldn't make an exit, I just didn't think fast enough. Nothing leads me to believe it's a sting operation, it's apparently a policy the building has. The provider didn't see or handle my I'd. If it were a sting I wouldn't of gotten a blow job with it LOL.[/QUOTE]I get it you got surprised and caught with the little head doing the thinking. But, please dude, in the future no I'd, no phone number, no name. Protect yourself and stay safe.

From Laura, a former prostitute:

"I was in prostitution for 10 years - middle-class, indoor, 'acceptable' prostitution.

"I was never held at knife point, beaten or tied up; I never worked the streets.

"My life was regular hair appointments, expensive brandy in nice restaurants, and strip clubs for faux fun: the laissez-faire libertine.

"My 'benign' servicing of thousands of men's sexual wants has had repercussions that ordinarily befall those who have witnessed bodies burnt or bombed.

"There was no single scene of violence in my experience of prostitution though; the assault came from the layers of intrusion built up over time.

"It took me a long time to fully understand my symptoms; the irritability, the anger, the fear, the strange existential sense that life no longer had any purpose.

"It was difficult, because by making the connection between mental breakdown and prostitution, I had to face the fact that what I had been through had not been benign at all".

[URL]https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/guest_posts/2799410-Guest-post-I-didnt-think-of-my-prostitution-as-traumatic-but-it-left-me-with-PTSD[/URL]

[QUOTE=SuStar;6064062]From Laura, a former prostitute:

"I was in prostitution for 10 years - middle-class, indoor, 'acceptable' prostitution.

"I was never held at knife point, beaten or tied up; I never worked the streets.

"My life was regular hair appointments, expensive brandy in nice restaurants, and strip clubs for faux fun: the laissez-faire libertine.

"My 'benign' servicing of thousands of men's sexual wants has had repercussions that ordinarily befall those who have witnessed bodies burnt or bombed.

"There was no single scene of violence in my experience of prostitution though; the assault came from the layers of intrusion built up over time.

"It took me a long time to fully understand my symptoms; the irritability, the anger, the fear, the strange existential sense that life no longer had any purpose.

"It was difficult, because by making the connection between mental breakdown and prostitution, I had to face the fact that what I had been through had not been benign at all".

[URL]https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/guest_posts/2799410-Guest-post-I-didnt-think-of-my-prostitution-as-traumatic-but-it-left-me-with-PTSD[/URL][/QUOTE]And who chose prostitution? She knew she could make money with her pussy, so she did.

Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher Trevor Bauer has been sued for sexual battery by the woman who publicly accused him of choking and punching her during two sexual encounters.

The sexual assault accuser, Lindsey Hill, has filed a countersuit to Bauer's defamation claim.

Hill's suit lays out allegations that go far beyond choking, which the suit concedes the woman consented to.

After Bauer choked the woman unconscious, the suit alleges, she regained consciousness to find him having anal sex with her.

(See pics of Hill's injuries in the first link below).

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-11100069/Trevor-Bauers-sexual-assault-accuser-files-countersuit-defamation-claim.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/08/10/trevor-bauer-accuser-lawsuit/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tp1022;6064068]And who chose prostitution? She knew she could make money with her pussy, so she did.[/QUOTE]She chose prostitution without bargaining for the PTSD.

She didn't expect to get PTSD as a work-related injury.

The point is prostitution has harmful effects for the women who engage in it.

As your reply very coldly suggests, the men she serviced don't care.

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Unfortunately, the money they paid didn't include compensation for her unexpected injuries.

Another good reason to reduce/abolish the demand for prostitution.

Make it prohibitively expensive with their pics in the media, heavy fines, jail time.

[QUOTE=OldManBuckeye;6064018]I get it you got surprised and caught with the little head doing the thinking. But, please dude, in the future no I'd, no phone number, no name. Protect yourself and stay safe.[/QUOTE]Or, please dude, for your sake, don't hire for a woman for sex, ever again.

[QUOTE=SuStar;6064095]She chose prostitution without bargaining for the PTSD.

She didn't expect to get PTSD as a work-related injury.

The point is prostitution has harmful effects for the women who engage in it.

As your reply very coldly suggests, the men she serviced don't care.

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Unfortunately, the money they paid didn't include compensation for her unexpected injuries.

Another good reason to reduce/abolish the demand for prostitution.

Make it prohibitively expensive with their pics in the media, heavy fines, jail time.[/QUOTE]Once again, SHE chose to get in and keep doing it. Not a cold reply, it's the truth. Now you want to label her as a victim. She's just as guilty as the dirty men.

[QUOTE=Tp1022;6064118]Once again, SHE chose to get in and keep doing it. Not a cold reply, it's the truth. Now you want to label her as a victim. She's just as guilty as the dirty men.[/QUOTE]Neither of them is guilty of anything. She exchanged her time and skills for money. We all do this.

I suspect that she was angling for something with her story, potentially got busted and was trying to work her way out of it by claiming mental distress. Maybe writing a book. Its all crap. She wasn't harmed, no one forced her to do anything she wished to do. To call it traumatic is a load of crap. Trauma is when you remember the bombs going landing next to your foxhole.

Trauma is when you are forced or injured. That's PTSD. Trauma is not when you voluntarily do something and then claim mental distress due to the bullshit social stigma that you have a choice to accept or deny.

Liberty is the key here.

Cheech.

[QUOTE=SuStar;6064095]She chose prostitution without bargaining for the PTSD.

She didn't expect to get PTSD as a work-related injury.

The point is prostitution has harmful effects for the women who engage in it.

As your reply very coldly suggests, the men she serviced don't care.

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Unfortunately, the money they paid didn't include compensation for her unexpected injuries.

Another good reason to reduce/abolish the demand for prostitution.

Make it prohibitively expensive with their pics in the media, heavy fines, jail time.[/QUOTE]It's almost like they should have a union, protections and workers rights. If only there was a way to do that.

[QUOTE=SuStar;6064095]She chose prostitution without bargaining for the PTSD.

She didn't expect to get PTSD as a work-related injury.

The point is prostitution has harmful effects for the women who engage in it.

As your reply very coldly suggests, the men she serviced don't care.

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Unfortunately, the money they paid didn't include compensation for her unexpected injuries.

Another good reason to reduce/abolish the demand for prostitution.

Make it prohibitively expensive with their pics in the media, heavy fines, jail time.[/QUOTE]So you're a nordic model supporter. I would almost agree with you besides for the jail time thing. I'd be ok with it if it was decriminalized with like a 2000 dollar fine. That way the courts get their money but the courts also arent controlling people's lives. I don't find the fine part unreasonable, the record and the probation bullshit is though. And again, case by case basis. Just because some women have harmful effects doesn't mean they should be put in orange and doesn't mean that several don't enjoy what they do and should suffer because of what happened to someone else. I am glad I played the game the way I did, I took steps to make sure I wasnt dealing with anyone forced into it. Some, such as my friend who used to be a career criminal, think it should be illegal and argue for the view that "if you knew it was illegal and you're going to do it, don't get caught" because most escorts and dudes for that matter don't get caught anyway. I don't necessarily disagree with that, because the stings generally nab ladies who are either unsavvy or are desperate for a fix, but still doesn't factor in that some shouldn't be arrested especially with lack of evidence or solely based on using a certain website and the cops banking on them confessing to what they "think" she is going to do. So some could argue just leave it the way it is, I see the point of survival of the fittest too. In my prime of mongering, I knew my odds of running into a sting were low, but the guys who get caught get cocky and know that their odds are low so they don't take precautions and blindly walk into these operations, or they are just stupid. My view was much more refined, I said well, I know I have a half a percent chance of walking into a bust, and did what I needed to do and educated myself on the busts to make that half a percent chance maybe 0.00000001 percent.

I dont feel bad for the scumbags who are out there beating women, who i feel for and look out for is the poor bastard nice guy who gets fucked over by his wife in divorce court and she gets with a woman beating thug while hes paying alimony, he has never done this and has no idea about this world and tries it for the first time because hes depressed, gets arrested, and gets put on the news for a political stunt and it says "human trafficking" in the headlines. And id be willing to say a solid chunk of those guys maybe 40 percent in the busts are in the exact scenario that i painted. Or just dorky guys like I was in my early 20s and still am in many ways looking for some fun. Do those types of dudes deserve jail and a record? hell no, the woman beaters do!

C92.

[QUOTE=SuStar;6064116]Or, please dude, for your sake, don't hire for a woman for sex, ever again.[/QUOTE]Oh ya. I think I'm done for a while. Haven't been this rattled in a while. I sought some legal advice and it's highly unlikely anything will come of it and the apartment said they keep those records for 4 months then dispose of them through a document shredding vendor. Statue of limitations is 2 years so I guess I'll be antsy for another 23 months lmao.

[QUOTE=JeanJizzes;6064410]Oh ya. I think I'm done for a while. Haven't been this rattled in a while. I sought some legal advice and it's highly unlikely anything will come of it and the apartment said they keep those records for 4 months then dispose of them through a document shredding vendor. Statue of limitations is 2 years so I guess I'll be antsy for another 23 months lmao.[/QUOTE]You're going to be antsy for 2 years for trying to sell a TV to this woman?

[QUOTE=JeanJizzes;6064410]Oh ya. I think I'm done for a while. Haven't been this rattled in a while. I sought some legal advice and it's highly unlikely anything will come of it and the apartment said they keep those records for 4 months then dispose of them through a document shredding vendor. Statue of limitations is 2 years so I guess I'll be antsy for another 23 months lmao.[/QUOTE]If you werent caught in the act, you're fine. There is so much other stuff that your exchange "could " have occurred for that nothing would ever hold up in court. and if it was a cash transaction, the evidence is probably either up her nose already or already spent on necessities. The only after the fact case that ever occurred was WV senator Maroney. He is a senator and someone wanted his job, that is why it happened, we are peons. that also occurred in a small county with no crime whatsoever, somewhere any logical monger would never dream of going. And he wasnt convicted because there is no way to prove what actually happened, unless you are talking to a UC in a sting, for all they know it could have been a pretend prostitution skit you guys were acting out. That being said, dont give your ID again LOL.

[URL]https://wtov9.com/news/local/west-virginia-sen-mike-maroney-arrested-as-part-of-prostitution-ring[/URL]

[URL]https://www.theintelligencer.net/news/top-headlines/2021/03/solicitation-charges-dropped-against-state-senator-mike-maroney/[/URL]

C92.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6064550]If you werent caught in the act, you're fine. There is so much other stuff that your exchange "could " have occurred for that nothing would ever hold up in court. and if it was a cash transaction, the evidence is probably either up her nose already or already spent on necessities. The only after the fact case that ever occurred was WV senator Maroney. He is a senator and someone wanted his job, that is why it happened, we are peons. that also occurred in a small county with no crime whatsoever, somewhere any logical monger would never dream of going. And he wasnt convicted because there is no way to prove what actually happened, unless you are talking to a UC in a sting, for all they know it could have been a pretend prostitution skit you guys were acting out. That being said, dont give your ID again LOL. .[/QUOTE]Thanks chunks LOL. Dumb on my part for sure. And ya the cash is spent and the more I thought about it like they'd have to subpoena the burner text app and all sorts of bill shit which to even track the IP you'd have to go through a mess of shit to even know it was assigned to me. Just totally outweighs the fine and the misdemeanor. Going to be much careful moving forward and probably taking an extended break from seeing providers. Especially after what happened to that guy in Lakewood, I always stuck to the west burbs thinking it was a little safer. Guess not.

[QUOTE=Tp1022;6064118]Once again, SHE chose to get in and keep doing it. Not a cold reply, it's the truth. Now you want to label her as a victim. She's just as guilty as the dirty men.[/QUOTE]Once again, you fail to grasp what she wrote.

Her choice did not include getting PTSD.

You are coldly refusing to admit that reality.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6064346]So you're a nordic model supporter[/QUOTE]I don't favor any model.

I favor guys looking at the research, and making an honest review of their own behavior.

[QUOTE=SuStar;6065053]Once again, you fail to grasp what she wrote.

Her choice did not include getting PTSD.

You are coldly refusing to admit that reality.[/QUOTE]It took her 10 yrs to realize? Really, after servicing 1000's of men and making more per hour than any of us because, she has a pussy? That's the reality. You don't want guys to buy it, don't have the women offer it. Btw, she CHOSE to offer an illegal service. Whos fault is that?

[QUOTE=WildCard;6064309]It's almost like they should have a union, protections and workers rights. If only there was a way to do that.[/QUOTE]It would likely require some private entity (brothel) as employer for a union or government agency to assure protections and rights.

In the Netherlands, if not in other countries that have legalized it, there is dissatisfaction among independent sex workers about protections and rights.

[URL]https://humanityinaction.org/knowledge_detail/the-audacity-of-tolerance-a-critical-analysis-of-legalized-prostitution-in-amsterdams-red-light-district/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tp1022;6065072]It took her 10 yrs to realize?[/QUOTE]Indeed, it did.

That's the nature of PTSD.

[QUOTE=Tp1022;6065072]You don't want guys to buy it, don't have the women offer it[/QUOTE]Nyet.

Research shows reducing or abolishing demand is most effective in ending it.

[QUOTE=Tp1022;6065072]Btw, she CHOSE to offer an illegal service[/QUOTE]BTW, her male clients made the choice to buy it.

No buyers = no business.

[QUOTE=Tp1022;6065072]Who's fault is that[/QUOTE]Her male clients are responsible.

Men do not escape responsibility because she offered an illegal service.

Offering an illegal service does not make the service recipient immune from culpability.

[QUOTE=Tp1022;6065072]It took her 10 yrs to realize? Really, after servicing 1000's of men and making more per hour than any of us[/QUOTE]

Neither the number she serviced nor her earnings are revealed by her statement.

Quit paying for it and you'll feel less angry.

[QUOTE=SuStar;6065124]Indeed, it did.

That's the nature of PTSD.

Nyet.

Research shows reducing or abolishing demand is most effective in ending it.

BTW, her male clients made the choice to buy it.

No buyers = no business.

Her male clients are responsible.

Men do not escape responsibility because she offered an illegal service.

Offering an illegal service does not make the service recipient immune from culpability.[/QUOTE]I like the breakdowns. Very clever. So it's the buyer's fault that the seller offered a service? If I go to an all you can eat, gorge and puke, it's the buffet's fault? Nyet.

[QUOTE=Tp1022;6065155]If I go to an all you can eat, gorge and puke, it's the buffet's fault? Nyet.[/QUOTE]A buffet is not an illegal service.

Paying for sex is.

[QUOTE=Tp1022;6065155]I like the breakdowns. Very clever. So it's the buyer's fault that the seller offered a service? If I go to an all you can eat, gorge and puke, it's the buffet's fault? Nyet.[/QUOTE]You're not wrong, I'm not wrong, Sustar isn't wrong either. Some of the escorts love what they do, some don't. It really all depends. It really is our responsibility to make sure we arent dealing with anyone forced into it, and its the elite's responsibility to leave the women who enjoy what they are doing alone and focus on helping those being forced. Takes more then a 20 minute interview to do that, especially right after someone has been arrested. And thats about all they give before they decide if the escort is arrested or not. Ive had conversations with escorts that have been arrested and they have given me a lot of insight to how it actually goes down. The whole mantra of "they all are trafficking victims" started when the cops started doing interviews. Of course they are going to blame it on someone else, of course they are going to look for any excuse in the book when they are on the hot seat, because most people don't know their rights because they don't teach you that in education so very few know that. If they would have shut up, they would have been acquitted.

[QUOTE=Cheech1;6064210]Trauma is not when you voluntarily do something and then claim mental distress[/QUOTE]Her words:

"There was no single scene of violence in my experience of prostitution though; the assault came from the layers of intrusion built up over time. ".

She was dealing with her symptoms (depression, among others mentioned), likely with her therapist, and discovered their source.

That is, layers of intrusion built up over time.

Her statement doesn't reveal she's made any "claim" or other demand for compensation from anyone.

Her discovery reveals how prostitution affected her health.

It's something for men to be aware of, the next time they pay a provider, and walk away believing no harm done.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6065191]It really is our responsibility . . . [/QUOTE]Congrats.

You get it.

My hat's off to you again!