Nicole - Walnut Hills/Clifton?
Any number of times I get off at Taft and turn on whatever street it is that cuts over to McMillan there is almost always someone standing there with their homeless sign. Every once in a while there is a fairly attractive white girl there. I typically have a green light so in passing ask if she is willing to work for her money. She has always answered no, sometimes more explicitly than others. Today was a different story...
I caught the red light and asked, once again, if she was willing to work for her money. To my surprise she asked me what I had in mind (later explained that she overslept and missed the rush hour crowd so needed to make some extra $$$'s). Seeing that I have seen here there many, many times I wasn't concerned about her being LE so I just said .2 for a bj. She countered with .25. I told her I had to run an errand first but that I would be back (all true). About 45 min. later I pulled into the parking lot just down from her, she spotted me, grabbed her bag and headed over.
First let me says he is extremely well spoken, intelligent, etc... everything most SW's aren't and it was nice to have a conversation with her. Can't comment too much on her body as we mostly talked and when we parked she got to business. She finished off the bbbjcims and I took her back. She said to call her any time and if she is available we will hook up and mentioned that next time we should get a room. Not sure she liked the car date too much but I will be seeing her again for sure. I wasn't in a hurry to get her out of the car like most others. All in all it was a nice little find.
Learning lessons the "HARD WAY" is not always the best way.
Learning lessons the "Hard Way" is not always the best way.
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I have talked via pm to many members around the country, and even internationally, and best of all locally too including "Wordup & Giani" as well as many others and everyone has there own way of doing things. Right or wrong.
Some folks thrown out the basic rules of engagement, and write their own, so there is more of a way for each person to monger, w/o the rules getting in their way of doing things. Pay first, pay last, pay half, or whatever, goes for your way of getting it done. Very few SW's are going to try to take advantage of me, because I am very confrontational, and I will immediately speak my mind. That is how I have been advised by others who get around far more than I can. I am limited to my area, and it is not a good place to find decent SW's like other areas, but it is loaded with just as many police, looking to bust your fun.
B/f, reading your post you are extremely lucky that you were not set up by bringing an SW of anykind to your home. I can tell you that I dated a girl in an apartment complex in bond hill, and an older man had a regular date with an SW, who hung out at a bar on near cincinnati gardens, that was known for rough action. Well, she got together with her boyfriend who was a cook at the bar, and they planned to rob the old man, take his car, rough him up, and he would be too afraid to tell anyone. They got in because the SW unknow to the man, went and unlocked the front door, to let the boyfriend in after he got off. Not only did they rob the man, but they killed him too. They found his body 4 days later, after the smell was coming from the apartment, and the police were called. The two were found within 48 hours, and both are still in jail. Warning. Do I need to say be careful!
It is not as much sport, as it is knowing white men, don't want trouble, and won't go to the extreme to defend themselves, so if that is not how you feel, then be prepared to go the extra mile to keep your shit. Don't look for help from le, or anyone else. In this case, the internet for once is your only friend.
I would bet, there are members who have been looking out for denise/danielle, even though they know she might try to rip them off. Rest assure they are. Posting some SW, just gives them popularity among member out there looking, and at the sometime, showing any face, makes them most popular with LE, even if LE already knows them.
You will always find some SW's between the lateral & cross cty., it is one very long area, or reading rd. You can read a lot of post about picking up or seeing SW along that track. But it is really not a track where you can see SW's there everyday. It is a very big hit & miss area. Uncle Simon likes to travel that road, and they hassle girls more than the cpd or reading pd will.
If you are going to see them, it will be more likely to be in the area within 2miles of the lateral, on reading rd., paddock, california, and many of the side streets. You might even see a few strolling tenn. Ave. It is all according to timing. Timing is 50% of the whole game.
Lastly, if you ain't got the balls for street wiping, then don't try it. It is full of harsh lessons to learn, and the action can be very slow at time, if any!
You can drive for hours and not see a decent SW, and right as you see one, swoop, someone else beats you too her. Or worst of all she thinks your a cop and won't even get in the car, and yells "bye cop" as you drive away, and everyone is looking. Once that happens then call it a day, or move to another location.
Never ever, take an SW to your home, if at all possible. If you must be very careful, and keep your eyes on her at all times. Make certain to lock all doors, and make certain you are the one locking the locks. And of course if you keep prescription drugs in the medicine cabinet of your bathroom, move them, to a more secure location. Immediately!
And remember to read the archive, and not just the most recent post for your Information & Advise!
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Danielle, No Longer MIA .... But Injuried !!!!
B/F some may have taken care of your Denise for you. I saw her and she has an Ace Bandage around her hand up above her wrist. Looks like someone (from what I heard), strained her thumb badly for some reason, but it is not broken. It was suppose to have happened Wednesday, and I am not complete on the details of the event.
It may have been her boyfriend who did it, or a customer she might have tried to rob again. Let me tell you when I was close enough to listen the friend I told you about, asked her about taking money from some older white man, and she just smiled and kinda slightly laughed about it. She neither confirmed or denied it, so everyone knew what was true. I kept quiet, so only myself and one more person, other than herself, knew the truth.
By the way her boyfriend has no car, but rides around on a bicycle (mountain bike). I saw them hugged up at the curve on Whiteman next to Linn, at the little area, across from the alley that connects Whiteman to Central Ave, not Pkwy, around midnight last night. She was not wearing her wig, and was looking pretty rough hair wise. She has a kid or two, so she needs to make the cheddar to take care of them, but she may, and I might just may have developed a starter drug problem. That is a shame, because she was clean and drug free as I know her. That is a Shame, but I am NOT certain about it.
It was a Fag convention at Mohawk, btw Central Pkwy & McM. I mean they were at Dunlap down to Findlay, but they got BOLD up at Mohawk. They were dress to a "T", and I am talking about up the booty cheek shorts, high-heels, and the whole nine yards. Cops again were just driving pass them, and ignoring them, as usual. They were flagging & yelling at drivers, and stepping into the drive path of cars.
I saw several white males pick them up. There wasn't that many real female SW's, out Friday and the LE CPD was hot & heavy. Only a few WSW's were walking, and they were to petite & short, for me. I saw another WSW, with a kinda "I Have Kids" belly, but she seemed to be new to the stroll and knowledgeable about the Do's & Don'ts of strolling the strip. Of course few were picking her up because she was always out-of-position for pick up.
Again let me say, it is all about timing, and just as things were looking up, the CPD do a street drug dope boy bust, and the girl scatter. They like to hang close to their favorite drug boy & other suppliers. Take one drug boy out make little difference, but making a clean sweep does. Most of the SW's with addictions will move to other areas, and sometime not move back to the old area, unless too much trouble finds them.
Has anyone notice just how skinky the SW's are over by the Shell station. Not that it is not skinky everywhere, but it has really gone down hill, on Walnut from McM, as far as the eyes can see. It is not worth the drive by.
And if you are hungry, stop in at Tina's, the Food place across from the Shell station on Walnut for some quick Hot Fast Food. If you can find a parking spot stop in and get a meal or two, and then you can look around, and observe, without looking obvious. It is safe to walk up into, and you can park across the street next to Grammers. Learn to pick a spot to go into, in order to get out of your car, in order to look around, and see up close the peple around, and to let them see you at the same time.
There is always Alabama's too, but there is beginning to have too many beggars, hanging outside the Fish place. It is still a very good place to observe females, walking up and down Liberty and the surrounding streets. Pick a spot, eat your meal and observes, nothing illegal about that !!!!
[QUOTE=Bill Fanta]Yes, I know now how lucky I was back then. I can't imagine bringing a SW back home with me nowadays.
I am sure you are correct about this. At first I figured that it might hurt her business if I posted a pic of her, but it is more like to bring additional business her way. And that's fine by me because, as I have stated in other posts, it was my mistakes that led to getting ripped off.
Thanks for the good info! Your posts and PMs have been very helpful to me and I appreciate it.[/QUOTE]
Who Really Has The "Power" ....
Look at Firehse Macks report, that is the way it should always happen, but it does NOT. This is mainly your own FAULTS. With so few decent SW's out there, too many of the membership is tossing the rules aside, and doing whatever they can to get the far left for picking up. Don't Toss the RULES !!!
By doing this you are giving up the POWER of Your MONEY, and the next thing you know you are on the down swing, and the SW's are calling the shots.
You have to know that they need your MONEY for their business. They can't just wish it and money appears for their habits. You can if you must J/O to relieve pressure if you need to, and it won't cost you a dime. So, go at them with that attitude, and don't let them think you are affraid to walk-away from them, and pay NOTHING, and get NOTHING.
If you see an SW that gives you more for your money, and have one in the car, don't be affraid to give that one in the car $5-10, to get out, and get the one you are use to for the better bargain. I have done it many, many times. I use to do it when I saw Kiwi or Martha, in the day, over other SW's. I would tell them later, that this is the samething they will do to other men they know will pay more, so I do the same to them. They had little to say after that, because it is TRUE of everyone of them.
Always understand that "They Need Your Money, More han You Need Them." Once they know that is your RULES, they will know you are not full of Shit, and will know the deal.
I have read, but not responded to my PM's, but they are mainly from newbies seeking info, that has already been posted. We have some of the most informed poster on the Site, posting about our City/County, and many times their advice crosses over each other, but still very true.
Keep the PRICE LOW, try never to pay a max of $30. Sometimes, you might have to pay 40 if a room is involves, but for regular service, keep it at 20, and max out at 30. Anyone of them who won't take the money will after they stop getting folks that won't pay their price.
In fact if you treat them with a lot of respect, even if they don't treat you the sameway, they will come around, but let them know your dissatisfaction.
Keep your MONEY in your own pocket, and be very strict with your spending it. And if your can not do street action, stay off the street. They are not for everyone. It can even be tough for myself at times, but I have been in the streets longer than most SW's are of age.
I have to tell periodically a few SW's that I do not give-away free money, so don't ask me for any. GEt the money from the guy you give the free pussy too, especially the PREGO SW's. If they were not giving a freebie to some Bicycle Riding Pimp, and make them use a condom instead of being so in LOVE with them, they wouldn't end up Penniless and Knocked-Up.
Fella's "Don't Get PImped by a Bunch of SW's trying to Put Your Money in Their Pockets .... STOP !!!! "
Keep Your Money In Your Pockets, and You Control Who Deserves It.
You Work Just As Hard For Your Money Too !!!!
Soleil: thanx for the pix and the detailed post.
Soleil: I thought your post on Katie was very good--a detailed review, and pix to boot. (Almost NO posts have pix these days... Com'on guys, take along your camera and use it.)
Gentnati: Be nice now... I know your tongue may be farther into your cheek than DATY with a luscious fresh young spinner, but you could hurt someone's feelings (we're all into feelings on this board, right?)
Here's my take:
1) Without pix, the review would be fabulous. Since most reviews are unaccompanied by pix, how would you judge them?
2) With the pic, she's a young thing with lots of meat on the bones--just how many mongers prefer them. She is clearly not "toasted with butter."
3) Looks: All we can see of her smiling face is chin and mouth. What we see is pleasant. Can we really make an accurate judgment of her looks?
4) Remember that the dominant sex organ is the brain. For my brain, attitude can trump looks (up to a point). Skill as well. Personality too. The few good GFE I have had have had acceptable looks, but not knockout. In fact, just like in real life, the lookers are often the most problematic. For all mongers who cruise the streets of OTR and McM, we can't be TOO picky on looks. Skill, attitude and personality go a long way toward satisfaction so long as the looks are not prohibitive.
So, thanks to Soleil for a very good post, and Getnati--thanks for giving me a chance to get on my soapbox. (BTW, from the pic, I might agree that Soleil's looks evaluation is higher than I might award. But the quality of the post overrides that single qualm).
Soleil: Keep'em coming! Getnati: show us what you like!
Giani
[QUOTE=Getnati]LOOKS 7......ARE YOU SERIOUS!!??
You're SW rating authority has been officially revoked. Turn in your badge and your bag of condoms. Probation period ends when you bring some hot spinner pics to the table.[/QUOTE]
Niki Is Who I Am Talking About. ..... !!!!
Part of the upper post disappeared, but the majority of the post came through. As I was saying, do yourself a favor and AVOID the BSW "Niki". She can be a handful if she wants to, and she will not even give you your moneys worth no matter how much she is paid.
She was run off from the WE/OTR part of McM. And many of the people around there have made it very clear she is no longer welcome. She has tried to rip-off that many people, to be so well disliked.
She is now living in Walnut Hills, but trickin on McM. I am not certain if drugs are involved, but she does not fit the drug addict profile. Still, with a lot of the BSW out there you can never tell straight up. BSW are really a whole mixed bundle of cultural norms, street wisdom, personal & financial problems, without even the addition of any kind of addiction whether it is to drugs or a man/woman. IT GETS COMPLEX. So does everything else in the SW/Trickin hobby/business.
The main idea is that dealing with BSW in this city can be a real pain-strain, and for the most part that is one reason, most don't make much money on the streets but they pull in the dollars in undercover acts like trickin over the Chat-Lines, both phone & internet, hanging in bars in the burbs, making themselves available, White Men are overpaying BSW's through the roof. It is like they think they can't pay a BSW unless they overpay. It is CRAZY! Even some street BSW are being over pay. STOP PLEASE! I mean there are BSW's who know they can get paid 5-7x the going rate, from white males.
I would bet it is not members of the USASG, because I know we ALL know better, but there are some who don't think they just do. Those are the ones who are killing the deal, and making it harder get good service, at a reasonable price.
This is one of my Pet-Peeves, and it will never stop. It is maddening, and I could write a book as thick as "War & Peace", about not doing just that "OverPaying."
[QUOTE=Mr Boombastic]You can find her on McM between Straight St. And Riddle. You will know her as one of the few BSW's you will see down there. YOU WILL OFTEN SEE HER NEAR ANOTHER BSW, WHICH YOU SHOULD AVOID BOTH OF THEM. She always dresses decent, and is a decent looking BSW. She is dark skin, nice face, kinda thick (3 kid), about 5'6", 145-160lbs, well spoken, and seems nice. But she is a scammer. She want money upfront, and then will there to beat you out of it by rushing you.
Her skillz are poor at best, and she really doesn't want to trick. She does it because she is too lazy to get a real job. She hangs around the WSW's, but really doesn't like them. But they are all the same.
She will ask for 50, but will settle for 30, and if you decide on 20 which in a pitch she will take, her performance is then extremely sub-par. She will even try to Cash-n-Dash, if given the chance.
Just LEAVE HER ALONE, if you can resist it, and let her know she is a scammer if you have any conversation with her. Be very careful because she will NEVER appear to be what she is. She doesn't want to be a SW, and acts that way, yet she still practices the profession, and has been doing it over the last 5-6 years.
CONSIDER YOURSELVES "WARNED"![/QUOTE]
Feelings, nothing more than feelings....
First off, to Giani & Getnati: Hello, Gents! Thank you both for reading my posts.
Secondly: no harm, no foul on any one's part.
Personally, I'm glad it got a valid discussion going.
I don't want to overly-belate the point of looks in my original post about Katie. Being my first detailed review here, it was difficult to rate. What scale to go by? I chose to go by the SW scale. Sadly, I have seen (but not been with) some truly horrific SW in regards to appearance. Obviously, we now know Getnati has much better luck (but I'm sure he has seen some horrifying things in his time as well! )
In my post, I put Katie at a 7. Let's make that a 5 for average looks, a +1 for teeth/overall cleanliness and a +1 for attitude/no-hassle/scamming.-- which all blended together in my brain for a 7. And like Giani says, a lot goes on in the monger's brain!
[QUOTE=Getnati]Yeah, sorry about that Sol. I understand the circumstances. I'm going to have to arrange a meeting for you that will BLOW your mind and crash your scale. [/QUOTE]
Getnati, that sounds intriguing! BLOW my mind and CRASH my scale? Awesome! I can always buy a new scale at K-Mart. ;-) Would love to hear/see more.
Giana, I am glad for this opportunity to thank you for your posts, your guidance and wisdom --- priceless gifts that give this board validity.
Jamie Also... Overrated BBBJ
Well, found her after only 5 minutes of driving on Mcmicken. Pulled over and she immediately got in for "a ride", as I was sooo excited to find the SW with heels I fantasized about. As soon as we drove off, I looked closer at her and thought to my self..... "F))K! Maybe I should pull over and tell her nevermind". I decided to give her a chance based on others reviews, so I set off for an ATM. I asked her how much and she told me .40. I said WHAT!?? She quickly agreed to .20 after a quick laugh about how it doesn't hurt to ask for more. She told me as well, the going rate is .20! We proceed to a secondary spot of my choice where she proceeded to give me head for about 15 minutes. Very unenthusiastic and skills were VERY minimal. Told her to stop and packed it away for the night without even blowing a load. I have to say she is easy to get along with, and unrushed. Many people say attitude makes a SW so much more attractive. I call BS. Looks better from far away vs. up close. Overrated in the BBBJ dept.
Looks-4, Attitude-9, Skills-4
