I heard TMC has raised private dances from $30 to $40 and done away with table dances. This was suppose to be as of Jan 1 2013. I haven't been so I was wondering if true and if so how has it affected business.
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I heard TMC has raised private dances from $30 to $40 and done away with table dances. This was suppose to be as of Jan 1 2013. I haven't been so I was wondering if true and if so how has it affected business.
[QUOTE=SportsFan;1640592]I heard TMC has raised private dances from $30 to $40 and done away with table dances. This was suppose to be as of Jan 1 2013. I haven't been so I was wondering if true and if so how has it affected business.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't be surprised, their business senses is as stupid as it gets
The Owner: 'We are losing our asses, we have to make more money raise the drink prices'
The Manager: 'Ummm, we already did that boss, now customers just drink less'
The Owner: 'Ok then charge the girls more house fees and late charges'
The Manager: 'Ummmm, we did that too boss and all the best girls that attracted the customers left'
The Owner: 'Ok then raise the lap dance prices, we have to earn a profit somehow! '
The Manager: 'Ok boss but maybe if we lowered the price to $20 a dance and only took $5 from the girls the customers might get more dances, the girls would make more money and offer better service. We would have less turnover and we might just get more customers.
Better yet we can charge a one night fee of $50 for the VIP room and let the dancers keep ALL they make from the customers. The customers will be happy and the product / service we provide will be happy too. We will sell lots of $50 entrance fees. And EVERY BODY WINS!
What the dinky boss? '
The owner: 'What are you a fucking idiot? Where did you get your business degree, a Cracker Jack box? You're fired!
Hey you! You slutty looking piece of ass in that tight skirt, ever go to business school? No. Ok did you graduate high school? No. Ok if you made it past the 6th grade you're the new Manager, welcome aboard, now raise all the prices WE HAVE TO MAKE A PROFIT! '
[QUOTE=SportsFan;1640592]I heard TMC has raised private dances from $30 to $40 and done away with table dances. This was suppose to be as of Jan 1 2013. I haven't been so I was wondering if true and if so how has it affected business.[/QUOTE]I was there a couple of times in late December and on a Sunday at one point they had buy one get one dance for free so I got 3 dances from one of the women. The signs in the back all said $30 / song but the dj had said 2 for 40. When I went to pay I expected the price to be 70 but the total came to 60.
I went back on the early morning of Sunday the 30th for the late night thing they do on weekends. The dancer who I bought some dances from the week before was there and she told me that she could not do table dances. She gave me the typical I haven't made much money line and I bought a couple of dances. When we got to the back she said it was 40 / song despite the signs. I seem to recall her saying the no table dances and price jump was because it was late night, honestly I was not paying much attention to what she was saying.
What I can say is that despite there being a decent amount of people there, they did not seem to be flocking to the private room in droves. Assuming the price jump is permanent I would imagine that it may impact things but will probably stand unless management gets blow back from the dancers. I'm not sure what the prices are at Capital Cabaret and Teasers, but this will make the price of a private dance at TMC considerably more than at Diamond Girls and the Foxy Lady unless those two places up their prices. I like the ambiance of TMC but a permanent price jump will definitely reduce my likely hood of buying private dances. The real shame is that clubs don't tend to charge customers a fee for use of a booth and then allow you to negotiate with the girl for the rest. Something like 20-30 to rent a booth for 10-15 minutes (roughly five songs) and then you negotiate with the dancer would probably result in more money being made all around.
I want to check out TMC but if they're going to go up over 30% then is the dancer going to take off 30% more clothes (umm already naked) , or she going to grope me 30%more? Premium level clubs will be undercut by cheaper clubs and the girls will head there for more volume in guys.
Price matters.
[QUOTE=Joe Looking; 1641661]I was there a couple of times in late December and on a Sunday at one point they had buy one get one dance for free so I got 3 dances from one of the women. The signs in the back all said $30 / song but the dj had said 2 for 40. When I went to pay I expected the price to be 70 but the total came to 60.
I went back on the early morning of Sunday the 30th for the late night thing they do on weekends. The dancer who I bought some dances from the week before was there and she told me that she could not do table dances. She gave me the typical I haven't made much money line and I bought a couple of dances. When we got to the back she said it was 40 / song despite the signs. I seem to recall her saying the no table dances and price jump was because it was late night, honestly I was not paying much attention to what she was saying.
What I can say is that despite there being a decent amount of people there, they did not seem to be flocking to the private room in droves. Assuming the price jump is permanent I would imagine that it may impact things but will probably stand unless management gets blow back from the dancers. I'm not sure what the prices are at Capital Cabaret and Teasers, but this will make the price of a private dance at TMC considerably more than at Diamond Girls and the Foxy Lady unless those two places up their prices. I like the ambiance of TMC but a permanent price jump will definitely reduce my likely hood of buying private dances. The real shame is that clubs don't tend to charge customers a fee for use of a booth and then allow you to negotiate with the girl for the rest. Something like 20-30 to rent a booth for 10-15 minutes (roughly five songs) and then you negotiate with the dancer would probably result in more money being made all around.[/QUOTE]I found out some more info since my post. The price for private dances is now $40 and no table dances. They will continue the hourly 2 for $40. The late night dances after 2AM have been $40 with no table dances but that is now all the time policy. $40 is a lot for one dance hell $30 was pushing it in my book.
That's ridiculous, I wouldn't pay more than $30 for a private dance and usually won't even buy those since they're not usually any better than a $20 table dance, guess I won't be going there.
[QUOTE=Stang613;1642489]That's ridiculous, I wouldn't pay more than $30 for a private dance and usually won't even buy those since they're not usually any better than a $20 table dance, guess I won't be going there.[/QUOTE]This place was a lot of fun when it was TDH. Gone downhill since. Not to eliminate table's and ask 40 for 3 freaking minutes of rubtime. 4 minutes if lucky. Its one song! I guess BP will see an increase in business! But these places like this and the adult book stores are going to price themselves into poverty!
Wow. $40 for a single private dance? And here I really thought that $30 was seriously pushing it. Well, they've lost my business.
Went to PG in cary Tuesday night. Had a nice time, few hotties. Mgmt needs to go back to math class though. There dances are 30 in the side dance section, then they had a special. Buy one get one free the DJ states. Go to pay, and the guy said that will be 40. Hmmm I guess free = 10 here. Whatever, paid the 40. Like you have a choice in the matter right! Better than 40 for 1 at TMC. So I considered it a value and left before I had any more beers that would affect my decision making ability!
[QUOTE=RaleighConnect;1649525]Went to PG in cary Tuesday night. Had a nice time, few hotties. Mgmt needs to go back to math class though. There dances are 30 in the side dance section, then they had a special. Buy one get one free the DJ states. Go to pay, and the guy said that will be 40. Hmmm I guess free = 10 here. Whatever, paid the 40. Like you have a choice in the matter right! Better than 40 for 1 at TMC. So I considered it a value and left before I had any more beers that would affect my decision making ability![/QUOTE]Haha! I will drop them off a calculator watch next time I am in there.
So, funny radio add for Capital Cabriolet. Talking about tax time etc. And they state that there private dances remain the same price and they are adding $10 tableside dances, while "others" are eliminating them. Nice strategy! However, I have never been a fan of this place. Staff are not pleasant (or were not when I went there the few times) and the stage down right sucks! All that money invested in that place to make it elegant and they seriously dropped the ball on the most important thing. The Stage!
Having been to strip clubs all over the world and getting thousands of private dances, I think I am qualified to offer an opinion on dances. And maybe, just maybe, one of these clowns that own these places might just read this and learn something. And if they did I might (and many others) just start going back to the clubs in Raleigh and spend some $.
When you see a girl that you might like to have a dance with whether she is on stage or on the floor, you have no idea if she can give you a 4 minute dance that's offers value or not. I'm not necessarily talking 'extras' here but simply an erotic dance as a 'valued' dance.
The only way you can tell if she is going to snuggle your lap with a sexy grind or dance 3 feet away flipping on her head like a silly clown (while she thinks this is some highly talented sensual trick that is worth every penny) is to give the gal a go. If she is worth the $ then you get a second or third dance. If she is an idiot, well at least you know and can move on to the next one.
In other words, the first dance is only a 'try out' and frankly most girls fail, especially the very pretty ones, they think that just the fact that you are in a semi private area for an exclusive look at their ass and bolt on tits, is worth $30. Its not.
Here are my thoughts on dance prices.
$10 dances- these are rare, I have only seen them in Fayetteville, Miami, and Canada (before the USD tanked). I will do these all day long. I will give almost every girl a dance at this $ and if she was any good we would keep going for a long while.
$20 dances- this is the standard price, this is what I expect to pay and will give any attractive girl a go and if she is good I will get a few more dances.
$30 – I have only paid this a few times at TMC and only with a few dancers that I got to know and spent some time chatting with. I do it more to compensate them for their time and company more than my interest in the dance itself.
$40 – I will never, never and I mean NEVER pay $40 for a fucking 4 minute dance. Period end of story. In fact I will never pay the cover charge to go in to a club that only offers $40 much less by a $5 bottle of water.
Good luck TMC you are pricing yourselves right out of business.
PH
[QUOTE=Purple Helmet; 1655330]Having been to strip clubs all over the world and getting thousands of private dances, I think I am qualified to offer an opinion on dances. And maybe, just maybe, one of these clowns that own these places might just read this and learn something. And if they did I might (and many others) just start going back to the clubs in Raleigh and spend some $.
When you see a girl that you might like to have a dance with whether she is on stage or on the floor, you have no idea if she can give you a 4 minute dance that's offers value or not. I'm not necessarily talking 'extras' here but simply an erotic dance as a 'valued' dance.
The only way you can tell if she is going to snuggle your lap with a sexy grind or dance 3 feet away flipping on her head like a silly clown (while she thinks this is some highly talented sensual trick that is worth every penny) is to give the gal a go. If she is worth the $ then you get a second or third dance. If she is an idiot, well at least you know and can move on to the next one.
In other words, the first dance is only a 'try out' and frankly most girls fail, especially the very pretty ones, they think that just the fact that you are in a semi private area for an exclusive look at their ass and bolt on tits, is worth $30. Its not.
Here are my thoughts on dance prices.
$10 dances- these are rare, I have only seen them in Fayetteville, Miami, and Canada (before the USD tanked). I will do these all day long. I will give almost every girl a dance at this $ and if she was any good we would keep going for a long while.
$20 dances- this is the standard price, this is what I expect to pay and will give any attractive girl a go and if she is good I will get a few more dances.
$30 – I have only paid this a few times at TMC and only with a few dancers that I got to know and spent some time chatting with. I do it more to compensate them for their time and company more than my interest in the dance itself.
$40 – I will never, never and I mean NEVER pay $40 for a fucking 4 minute dance. Period end of story. In fact I will never pay the cover charge to go in to a club that only offers $40 much less by a $5 bottle of water.
Good luck TMC you are pricing yourselves right out of business.
PH[/QUOTE]This is so true. You are starting to see good talent at places like the Foxy Lady thats keeping the VIP dances at 25 a piece. Last 2 times there had one that sucked and touched while bounces wasnt looking and one that I recieved Take out from.
atPurple Helmet
That was a very insightful post, but I don't think that management will change unless the women complain because guys are not taking them to the back room. I assume that most of the dancers make the majority of their money that way because I rarely see stages covered in singles. Last time I was at the men's club, the dancer I eventually bought a private dance from did not want to go on stage because in her words she hardly get's tipped up there. It was kind of funny seeing her running around like a chicken with her head cut off trying to convince guys to buy a vip dance from her.
I'm noticing a weird trend where businesses in America are raising prices simply because a competitor does it without considering if the new price provides more value for customers. As I mentioned before, I really hope that the other clubs don't up their prices.
I doubt $10 private dances will ever happen but I think $20 is about the price that it should be, especially since you can't really guess the length of the song. If I managed a club I would probably experiment with telling the girl that you owe the club x dollars per song and what you choose to make on top of that is up to you. From what I understand girls are currently required to hand over a certain amount of the price to the club and the club also determines the price. A variable price model would be especially helpful to girls who think about the long run.
I like the ambiance at the men's club and it is a nice place to go. That said, the only way I'll go to the VIP is at the times when they offer 2 for 1 dances.
Just thought I would share this with the forum.
I frequent CC pretty often, usually 2-3 times a month.
I like most of the girls there and the atmosphere is pretty good.
So I decided to go by CC last night around 10:30pm.
Walked up to the door and the "door guy" was standing there holding it open for me as usual.
I shook his hand as I walked in and asked him how he was doing.
He look at my pants and asked me if I was wearing sweatpants, saying my pants looked baggy.
I looked at him in disbelief, because I was wearing pleated khakis, with a collared shirt.
I asked him if he was serious and then he starts spouting off that it is his job to maintain the dress code for the club.
I lifted up my shirt and showed him my pants line and said they were definitely not sweatpants.
He then said I had better lose the attitude before I could go in, getting in my face doing so.
I then told him I didn't need this shit and walked out of the club, thus proceeding to go visit the MC.
I just couldn't believe the attitude of this guy, what a douche. Also the parking attendant was like "good job" or something like that as I walked out.
I don't know what this guy's problem was, but the management should really make some changes there.
What a shame.