OPSEC. Operattional Security

My thoughts on OPSEC have evolved since participating in the bowl. I believe you should be primarily concerned with your OPSEC, not necessarily the OPSEC of your provider / SB.

While it's normal that you performed some intel on your provider, the question remains why did you do so? If you did so to protect yourself, that is, to ensure she's not a druggie / serial killer etc, then OK. If you did so to stalk her, that's no bueno. I've fallen into that trap – found FB pages, LinkedIn profiles of SBs. It's easy to want to find everything about her, but it's not healthy for the SB type of relationship. It may border on limerence. It's worth looking up the definition of limerence.

While you may want to help her improve her OPSEC, it may redefine your relationship in a very negative way. Case in point – I had a SB that I'd been seeing for 9 months. During one of our meetings, she blurted out her full name. I of course, did an internet search and found her FB page. She lived a totally normal life, but I noticed she appeared to the mother of 2 small children, not the 1 child she told me about. At our meeting just prior to Christmas, I added a bit to her sugar to cover some gifts for her declared child. Then, I asked her if she had 1 kid or 2 kids, citing what I saw on her FB page. My intention was to increase her sugar to cover gifts for both kids, if she indeed had 2 kids. After that meeting, she ghosted me. While my intentions were good, to her they were creepy. After reflection, I totally understand her perspective. I should have kept all intel I had her to myself once I verified she was not a threat to me.

[QUOTE=FakeName3;6920800]This thread had provided many tips and methods for customers to practice OPSEC. For their sake local providers should practice a bit too.

This week I reached out to a Craigslist ad that was reported on here to provide extra services. We set up an appointment and she provided a street address so I Googled it before visiting. The address turns up as a $1 million townhome in Vienna (Tysons) and the resident is listed as a woman with a Vietnamese / American name. Figuring it's safe I go to the appointment but the visit was not all I had hoped for. Mind you a HJ and boob play was provided and a very senior board member says 15 years ago she was giving massages with BLS HJ's but I was not impressed.

After the visit, and seeing her face body and dog, I googled her name and a trove of personal info came up; like 6 Facebook accounts, Insta, wedding photos, friends and more. She has a work history in Vietnamese nail salons going back to 2006, and wedding photos from 2018 to a very rich international electronics company CEO who also breeds, trains, and races thoroughbred horses. I guess that marriage ended (nice looks and big tits can only take you so far when you are over 60) and now she is doing what she knows best (jerking dicks while they play with her tits and ass for $60).

The point is her careless Social Media access could cause a lot of embarrassment with her Hi So Vietnamese friends she posts about on Facebook if they found out how she earns her money now.

On a side note this is the third provider I have seen in NOVA who started out as a sex worker and ended up marring a very successful multimillionaire (I guess everyone needs good sex just look at the Philly Eagles owner sitting in the owners' box) only to leave the marriage and return to cheap sex work.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CuriousVaMan;6921472]My thoughts on OPSEC have evolved since participating in the bowl. I believe you should be primarily concerned with your OPSEC, not necessarily the OPSEC of your provider / SB.

While it's normal that you performed some intel on your provider, the question remains why did you do so? If you did so to protect yourself, that is, to ensure she's not a druggie / serial killer etc, then OK. If you did so to stalk her, that's no bueno. I've fallen into that trap found FB pages, LinkedIn profiles of SBs. It's easy to want to find everything about her, but it's not healthy for the SB type of relationship. It may border on limerence. It's worth looking up the definition of limerence.

While you may want to help her improve her OPSEC, it may redefine your relationship in a very negative way. Case in point I had a SB that I'd been seeing for 9 months. During one of our meetings, she blurted out her full name. I of course, did an internet search and found her FB page. She lived a totally normal life, but I noticed she appeared to the mother of 2 small children, not the 1 child she told me about. At our meeting just prior to Christmas, I added a bit to her sugar to cover some gifts for her declared child. Then, I asked her if she had 1 kid or 2 kids, citing what I saw on her FB page. My intention was to increase her sugar to cover gifts for both kids, if she indeed had 2 kids. After that meeting, she ghosted me. While my intentions were good, to her they were creepy. After reflection, I totally understand her perspective. I should have kept all intel I had her to myself once I verified she was not a threat to me.[/QUOTE]You are right. We should NOT help our ladies out, while well meaning, it would probably freak them out. I will change my advice and keep all intel to myself, you have convinced me.

[QUOTE=CuriousVaMan;6921472]My thoughts on OPSEC have evolved since participating in the bowl. I believe you should be primarily concerned with your OPSEC, not necessarily the OPSEC of your provider / SB.

While it's normal that you performed some intel on your provider, the question remains why did you do so? If you did so to protect yourself, that is, to ensure she's not a druggie / serial killer etc, then OK. If you did so to stalk her, that's no bueno. I've fallen into that trap found FB pages, LinkedIn profiles of SBs. It's easy to want to find everything about her, but it's not healthy for the SB type of relationship. It may border on limerence. It's worth looking up the definition of limerence.

While you may want to help her improve her OPSEC, it may redefine your relationship in a very negative way. Case in point I had a SB that I'd been seeing for 9 months. During one of our meetings, she blurted out her full name. I of course, did an internet search and found her FB page. She lived a totally normal life, but I noticed she appeared to the mother of 2 small children, not the 1 child she told me about. At our meeting just prior to Christmas, I added a bit to her sugar to cover some gifts for her declared child. Then, I asked her if she had 1 kid or 2 kids, citing what I saw on her FB page. My intention was to increase her sugar to cover gifts for both kids, if she indeed had 2 kids. After that meeting, she ghosted me. While my intentions were good, to her they were creepy. After reflection, I totally understand her perspective. I should have kept all intel I had her to myself once I verified she was not a threat to me.[/QUOTE]Read my post in the Craigslist Providers thread to see that I definitely have no feelings for her.

Was only trying to point out how stupid she is being for working out or her primary residence and having open social media.

I still cannot fathom how a woman who's only contribution to society are a pretty face and big tits could be married to a multimillionaire, rent a million dollar townhouse, spend Valentines Day in London, but yet still jerk my dick while I squeeze her tits and rub her ass for $60.

Is to fucking trust no-one.

A while back I was DM'ing with another board member about a provider I was seeing. This board member had a long and varied posting history and did not appear to be a shill, but they were the one that introduced this provider to USASG. The board member was very careless with DM'ing and, at one point, even disclosed their real name. One day we shared graphic details about the provider and the very next day I was blocked and ghosted by that provider.

I later learned that the board member and the provider were long time BFF's. I can only conclude the board member was feeding the provider this information.

During this time frame there were many other instances where, on a return visit, a provider confronted me with direct quotes from my posts. These were all indy's with direct contact numbers and not agencies or ACS's. Hell in one instance, a AMP provider was fired the day after I posted about her. I found out the following day when I returned for a repeat visit. Another provider there told me a customer had written that she did bad things during a massage and the owner fired her. It's not a great leap to infer that someone with access to the board was clueing in these providers. I used to believe that most all providers read the board but now I am not so sure.

Now I assume that anything I say here will be publicly distributed to interested parties. Since then I have not posted any graphic details about the providers I care about or care to repeat. I went to the Spy Museum years ago and I one thing I remember is "Trust No-one".

We all need to periodically check any photos we are supplying to candidate women we are trying to see to be certain they don't hit on our IRL identities. I check two sites, facecheck. I'd and [URL]pimeyes.com[/URL]. Are there any new ones that have popped up that we need to add to the list to check?

On the topic of getting intel about women we are seeing, I also feel this is something we must do only as insurance for ourselves. We keep the info in our back pocket in case things go south w / the lady, we can pull it out as a counterbalance to any threats she might make toward ourselves. If she knows you have gotten info about her that she herself has not provided, I think the most common reaction would be for her to freak out and think you were some sort of stalker.

I keep a jump drive that has all of the info I can possibly glean from web searching, I am pretty skillful at it. There is very little upside to revealing to her you know something about her other than what she has given up. You only do that when the relationship part has already broken down, and you are merely aiming for self-preservation.

I use ProtonMail for my burner email address. With a ProtonMail email address, you also get storage space on ProtonDrive, which is where I keep my SB files. I actually have a folder on ProtonDrive for each SB. My login credentials to ProtonMail and ProtonDrive (same login and password) are known only to me. Nothing is written down, anywhere. With this method, I don't have a USB drive to lose or which can be hacked with enough effort. Also, after a period of inactivity (1 year IIRC), the ProtonDrive data is deleted.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6923750]I keep a jump drive that has all of the info I can possibly glean from web searching, I am pretty skillful at it. There is very little upside to revealing to her you know something about her other than what she has given up. You only do that when the relationship part has already broken down, and you are merely aiming for self-preservation.[/QUOTE]

20+ years of escorts and SB's. Burner phone's, Google number, 3 different email accounts, side business to fund the activities, and hobby bank account in my side business name with a PO Box address. All of that work and I tripped over the hotel rewards program. Here's how it happened: I always use a 3rd party website to book rooms (predominantly [URL]Hotels.com[/URL], sometimes Dayuse). Of course, you have to check-in with real I'd. Last fall after an evening of dinning and drinking, my SB made a comment as I checked into a hotel about getting rewards points. Apparently the hotel desk agent connected my real name to my account and credited me with not only that nights stay, but also 2 subsequent stays.

Had no clue until wifey made a few reservations for travel and noticed the "unusual activity" for our home city. Friendly fire!

Hopefully this helps some of you avoid this trap!

[QUOTE=RudyWellz;6923922]20+ years of escorts and SB's. Burner phone's, Google number, 3 different email accounts, side business to fund the activities, and hobby bank account in my side business name with a PO Box address. All of that work and I tripped over the hotel rewards program. Here's how it happened: I always use a 3rd party website to book rooms (predominantly [URL]Hotels.com[/URL], sometimes Dayuse). Of course, you have to check-in with real I'd. Last fall after an evening of dinning and drinking, my SB made a comment as I checked into a hotel about getting rewards points. Apparently the hotel desk agent connected my real name to my account and credited me with not only that nights stay, but also 2 subsequent stays.

Had no clue until wifey made a few reservations for travel and noticed the "unusual activity" for our home city. Friendly fire!

Hopefully this helps some of you avoid this trap![/QUOTE]Sorry you had that befall you. I once had something similar, didn't lead to discovery. However, the only foolproof way to avoid this is to have the girl get the room. I do this routinely. In fact, I pretty much won't see a SB who can't do this for me. That and my schedule (work hours only) pretty much cuts out a large swath of POTs. However, I have scored many desirable girls and women, I honestly don't think it has impeded my sugaring much. So it will continue to be my policy.

[QUOTE=CuriousVaMan;6923919]I use ProtonMail for my burner email address. With a ProtonMail email address, you also get storage space on ProtonDrive, which is where I keep my SB files. I actually have a folder on ProtonDrive for each SB. My login credentials to ProtonMail and ProtonDrive (same login and password) are known only to me. Nothing is written down, anywhere. With this method, I don't have a USB drive to lose or which can be hacked with enough effort. Also, after a period of inactivity (1 year IIRC), the ProtonDrive data is deleted.[/QUOTE]A very valid approach is yours. Mine has a greater convenience factor for me. This jump drive is one of dozens around my office, it would be surprising anyone would pick it out to peruse, and it is locked w / a password. I also like a jump drive over alternatives because one blow w / a hammer and down the toilet makes that evidence go completely away.

I do like having my own 'hall of fame' though, to keep me warm when I am really old (instead of just old like now) and can't bang girls anymore.

[QUOTE=RudyWellz;6923922]20+ years of escorts and SB's. Burner phone's, Google number, 3 different email accounts, side business to fund the activities, and hobby bank account in my side business name with a PO Box address. All of that work and I tripped over the hotel rewards program. Here's how it happened: I always use a 3rd party website to book rooms (predominantly [URL]Hotels.com[/URL], sometimes Dayuse). Of course, you have to check-in with real I'd. Last fall after an evening of dinning and drinking, my SB made a comment as I checked into a hotel about getting rewards points. Apparently the hotel desk agent connected my real name to my account and credited me with not only that nights stay, but also 2 subsequent stays.

Had no clue until wifey made a few reservations for travel and noticed the "unusual activity" for our home city. Friendly fire!

Hopefully this helps some of you avoid this trap![/QUOTE]Hotel systems are so intricate these days, I just have the girl book the room and I reimburse her for it.

I'd also suggest to turn off your phone's WiFi if you're setting up some adult activities while in the office. You never know if the company is doing any sort of site or text logging.

[QUOTE=Max#01;6924950]I'd also suggest to turn off your phone's WiFi if you're setting up some adult activities while in the office. You never know if the company is doing any sort of site or text logging.[/QUOTE]On my burner, I never have wifi on unless I am at a Starbucks using their free wifi for software updates.

Note, I also keep the wifi off on my IRL phone anytime I am someplace I would not want it to be known I was. The attempts of the phone to connect to hot spots is a way to track a phone. And we would not want that.

Tracking as part of modern devices is going to become a big issue. IK guys who have cars with automatic tracking in them at all times, which cannot be turned off. I have zero idea how to manage this. I am glad my 2019 vehicle does not have this.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6925103]On my burner, I never have wifi on unless I am at a Starbucks using their free wifi for software updates.

Note, I also keep the wifi off on my IRL phone anytime I am someplace I would not want it to be known I was. The attempts of the phone to connect to hot spots is a way to track a phone. And we would not want that.

Tracking as part of modern devices is going to become a big issue. IK guys who have cars with automatic tracking in them at all times, which cannot be turned off. I have zero idea how to manage this. I am glad my 2019 vehicle does not have this.[/QUOTE]I've got the locator system in my Toyota (don't remember what they call it). I take advantage of turning it off when I'm parked in my client's parking garage. It's already disconnected because I'm underground so turning it off after parking is no big deal. I turn it back on when I get home and am parked in my own garage. It's almost to the point where be have to go out and buy a '99 Corolla for a "burner car".

I just got a month's membership on seeking at the 33% discount, so I thought I would take the remainder of the Blackhawk Visa gift card I used and get a membership in Pimeyes so I could track down some of my POTs real identity. I went to the site and attempted to pay the $29.99 for the month, and the card was turned down. I have no idea why. Does anyone know of a particular card that does work on Pimeyes?

[QUOTE=Max#01;6926067]I've got the locator system in my Toyota (don't remember what they call it). I take advantage of turning it off when I'm parked in my client's parking garage. It's already disconnected because I'm underground so turning it off after parking is no big deal. I turn it back on when I get home and am parked in my own garage. It's almost to the point where be have to go out and buy a '99 Corolla for a "burner car".[/QUOTE]Not sure what year / model Toyota you have, but just curious how the setup works in your car. Is there a menu option that you use to switch off the locator, or some other method?