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This isn't really a report, it's more of a question, but the thought has occurred to me.
With Christmas coming up and the economy being what it is, this could be the perfect time to hook up with some UTR mommy types who normally wouldn't be selling it and I'll admit, that turns me on in ways that being with a pro doesn't.
I'm just curious what others think and have you had any experiences with something like that?
[QUOTE=Anksgf; 1322040]This isn't really a report, it's more of a question, but the thought has occurred to me.
With Christmas coming up and the economy being what it is, this could be the perfect time to hook up with some UTR mommy types who normally wouldn't be selling it and I'll admit, that turns me on in ways that being with a pro doesn't.
I'm just curious what others think and have you had any experiences with something like that?[/QUOTE]The non-pro UTR types is where I almost always play. Rarely go with the pros. UTR types more expensive but less risk IMO. I'm a wus and scared of SWs and BP types.
Yep. Its the UTR time of the year. When the little darlings don't have the cash for presents. They damn near wear me out. Waitresses, lawyers (yep for real) , school teachers etc. My favorite was a female police officer. Damn good fuck and it amused me to be breaking the law with the cop. Too bad haven't seen her in a long while. Real squirter when excited. Embarrassed the heck out of her.
If I remember right she got mad and shot somebody off duty with her service revolver and got canned. Last time I saw her was on the web doing porno in Florida. Can't miss that squirting.
However, the two weeks right after Christmas I find to be better. They have overspent and don't have the money for jan rent, utilities etc. Panic sets in and types that normally wouldn't or haven't ever before now go UTR.
If you got the cash. Tis the season to be jolly.
[QUOTE=Dr Holiday; 1322080]The non-pro UTR types is where I almost always play. Rarely go with the pros. UTR types more expensive but less risk IMO. I'm a wus and scared of SWs and BP types.
Yep. Its the UTR time of the year. When the little darlings don't have the cash for presents. They damn near wear me out. Waitresses, lawyers (yep for real) , school teachers etc. My favorite was a female police officer. Damn good fuck and it amused me to be breaking the law with the cop. Too bad haven't seen her in a long while. Real squirter when excited. Embarrassed the heck out of her.
If I remember right she got mad and shot somebody off duty with her service revolver and got canned. Last time I saw her was on the web doing porno in Florida. Can't miss that squirting.
However, the two weeks right after Christmas I find to be better. They have overspent and don't have the money for jan rent, utilities etc. Panic sets in and types that normally wouldn't or haven't ever before now go UTR.
If you got the cash. Tis the season to be jolly.[/QUOTE]Okay. You have to share some Lessons Learned with the rest of us! How do you guys find these desperate UTR's? Do you approach them out of the blue? Do you bring up the subject? I can see this creating some awkward rejections!
Can someone tell me what does UTR stand for?
Thanks happy holla days.
[QUOTE=Dr Holiday; 1322080]The non-pro UTR types is where I almost always play. Rarely go with the pros. UTR types more expensive but less risk IMO. I'm a wus and scared of SWs and BP types.
Yep. Its the UTR time of the year. When the little darlings don't have the cash for presents. They damn near wear me out. Waitresses, lawyers (yep for real) , school teachers etc. My favorite was a female police officer. Damn good fuck and it amused me to be breaking the law with the cop. Too bad haven't seen her in a long while. Real squirter when excited. Embarrassed the heck out of her.
If I remember right she got mad and shot somebody off duty with her service revolver and got canned. Last time I saw her was on the web doing porno in Florida. Can't miss that squirting.
However, the two weeks right after Christmas I find to be better. They have overspent and don't have the money for jan rent, utilities etc. Panic sets in and types that normally wouldn't or haven't ever before now go UTR.
If you got the cash. Tis the season to be jolly.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mundane;1322098]Okay. You have to share some Lessons Learned with the rest of us! How do you guys find these desperate UTR's? Do you approach them out of the blue? Do you bring up the subject? I can see this creating some awkward rejections![/QUOTE]Yeah, I'd like to ask the same question.
I've been with a lot of SWers, a few who were advertising online, and a few customers who I knew were hoes, but my only UTR experience was years ago, with a girl I was working with.
She was telling me her tales of woe and I could tell, working her way up to asking me to borrow some money.
In the end, she was on her knees in the back office, for either $40 or $60, I can't remember which.
The last thing she told me, before she got down to business was,"if you ever tell anyone I did this, I'll bite it off for you."
Also, long, long ago, I was friends with a girl who was a waitress at popular, low end 24 hour restaurant.
One night, she was working an overnight shift and a customer offered her X amount of money to let him fuck her and she agreed.
Early the next morning, she showed up at my house, crying hysterically because she regretted what she'd done.
I've no idea how exactly he went about propositioning her and so, as I said, I to would be interested in any tips on how the UTR type thing works.
Oh and a big thumbs up on the paying a female cop for it.
While I didn't pay for it, in my limited experience, female cops are great fucks.
They have to be strong and tough all day, every day and so in the bedroom, they like nothing better than to have someone else take control.
Word to the wise though, cops see some bad shit, they bring said shit home with them and if you are in the least bit empathetic, then you end up dealing with it as well.
[QUOTE=Niceone1; 1322143]Can someone tell me what does UTR stand for?
Thanks happy holla days.[/QUOTE]UTR equals "Under The Radar"; generally a girl who doesn't advertise and is very quiet about providing (or isn't a provider at all) , and thereby doesn't attract a lot of attention. Typically only provides to a couple guys (or 1) , but may see a fair number of guys if word of mouth gets her info out among a select group.
[QUOTE=Niceone1; 1322143]Can someone tell me what does UTR stand for?
Thanks happy holla days.[/QUOTE]A non-pro. Single moms short on rent, no money for kids Christmas, student no tuition for next semester waitresses, etc. Etc.
Knoxville is the best place ever for UTR. Don't know how the pros make any cash.
Tips? Hummm.
Well first rule of fight club. Is never talk about fight club. Never bring up chats like this. Never admit to being with a pro or doing it for cash. Your a virgin in the deal. Just like they are. Ha. Never done anything like this before. Facilitate the fantasy denial.
Second, they aren't doing it for money. Total denial. So you are just HELPING them a bit. Don't ever link the help to any act. Help them maintain the denial. You both know both are lying. Let it be.
Third, not as quick an easy as just calling a BP girl etc. Takes a bit more time. Remember they aren't pros. More skittish. Usually takes more time to get to know you before they relax. Remember they have never done this for money and aren't now either (even while your dick is their mouth).
Fourth, most time if you been hanging in the bar etc. They are comfortable. They will make the approach. As mentioned below, the direct approach will most times get awkward rejection (they aren't doing this for money remember). So many time if they are comfortable, they will start about how hard it is to get money for kids for Christmas etc. They'll say tonight has been so slow. Not making anything. You say something like, maybe I could help. Remember your "helping" not doing them for $$$. They don't do that. LOL.
Fifth, make a joke of it. Many times with the local strippers you make a direct approach in a club. Get immediate rejection for take out. Even from the one that does it the most. They ask you for a dance. Say something in a joking voice " aww I'm more a a private party guy". Amazing how fast take out gets offered.
Look right at the waitress you been flirting with, hear the sob story of evil boy friend and need rent. Jokingly say. You need rich sugardaddy. Amazing who will respond.
One approached me last week. I thought SHE was joking when she said. Well its Christmas season time to put out for the family. Took me a second. She was serious. Damn nice fun this morning before work. The day goes so much better when start off like that.
Sixth, UTR types are usually way more expensive than I see listed here. You try to barter go for cheap. Most times you will be kicked aside. They will get offended on the spot. Remember you are helping them. Not renting some pussy. Usually what the UTR types need costs more, rent, power / phone bill, tuition etc. Not always true. My friend got the neighbor for a $15 prescription she couldn't pay for. I go for the very high end, very expensive, young and drop dead gorgeous. But that's just me. I'm a wus. Scared of the low end stuff.
Sixth, its a loan. Offer to loan it to them. You know help facilitate the denial. You know and she knows you'll never see the money again. Just having fun together. The "loan" not related at all.
One of my favorites, a hot girl who was a personal trainer called me at work, said,"You know I dreamed I fucked a doctor last night. I immediately said." In that case see you at my place in 30min". Damn near screwed me to death for the phone bill. Violent orgasms out of her. Serious fun rough sex. Crazy as loon. But damn I miss her. 10/10 on looks and 15/10 on performance. LOL.
Second best. Three "dancers" were sitting a talking about the last time they had sex. I was buying them drinks I said, ' well its been six months for me (big lie, LOL). One of them actually believed me and felt sorry for me and came over for lunch the next day. Mercy fuck. LOL. Took $300 while actually saying,"You know its not about the money". I say," I know honey."Of course not " (RIGHT, hah). Tall gorgeous 21 yo blond.
Started the morning with the waitress (21 gorgeous) , lunch with the UT grad student followed by afternoon delight. Just. Got a call from a bartender. She directly said I need a sugardaddy. Heading up north knox. She's desert after she gets off shift.
Knoxville is the very best UTR spot ever. Just got to play the game right. Its an expensive game but [url]whewww.the[/url] Quality is amazing. Between now and end of January. Not joking. They will wear me out.
Once you establish a UTR relationship,
You find it hard to go back to a regular
Provider. There is something so special.
About having your own private hooker.
You feel an amazing sense of privilege,
And she actually feels flattered that you are.
Willing to spend a tremendous amount of cash.
For an "erotic experience" (never characterize.
It as a 'fuck')
With her. It's also important to treat her.
With a great deal more respect so she
Actually enjoys the experience of doing something.
That out of character for her. She will feel she is.
Being 'risqué, not 'trashy. ' She may even bragg to.
Girlfriends about being a $500 an hour working girl 4-6
Nights a year. But.
Just for one guy. UTRs are worth the investment.
Of time and money because you don't get that.
Sloppy Seconds feeling you might get with regular providers.
She is a mistress that won't call your wife and doesn't.
Want to see you unless you have the standard fee,
So no danger of her getting too attached. And you don't.
Feel like a sucker for treating like a princess. Why?
Because she is only fucking you. Hopefully! Which beings.
Me to my next point. Make sure you do your research on her!
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If you work with the public is the best way. I was working at a automotive shop in Alcoa some years ago and here came a Toyota camry in with flat tire lady got out and asked me if I could air it up I said sure. I was putin air in the tire she came over to the car and put one leg up on bump she had a skirt on an no undies she then asked me what was wrong I said there is a screw in the tire then she asked how much to fix that I almost did it for free but I told her 10. 00 flat repair then she went in to this big story on how she was broke, bad bf ect. As I told her to hold on I had to use the restroom I just opened the door and her she was right behind me almost pushing me in to the bathroom she unzipped my pants held while I was peeing then got a towel cleaned me up then asked if I could help her with her tire I said yes then she went down it was great she gave me her # then she was on her way so about week later I called her up and went to her apartme nt she ask for like. 4 FS so really that's how I got started in the hobby I seen her about 3 times a week for a year or so till she started going to church then she was like I can't be doing this anymore I was fine with it at that time I was 23 or so and she was in her forties.
First off, I want to thank Doc H. For all of his advice.
My only complaint would be you didn't quite explain how you find these girls.
That said, you also unintentionally hit on why I tend to stick to pros.
I know this is one of those to each his own things, but for me, I'the have a hard time doing what you're talking about.
I'the end up feeling sorry for them, feeling like I was taking advantage of them, playing with their emotions, etc.
No, I'm not captain save a ho, but I've been hurt and I've been used and I wouldn't ever want to do that to someone else.
Also, one of my closest friends is a girl who has gotten herself into a very bad relationship with this piece of shit drunk and that's exactly how it started was he was spending a bit of money on her.
I'm willing to bet that if you brought in an accountant to look over the books so to speak, she's the one supporting him, but he's playing the age old game of give her a bit of money here and there and so she thinks he's 'helping' her.
If I'm going to 'help' a girl, then I want something real.
It doesn't necessarily have to be forever, in fact, I'm not looking for forever, but what you guys are talking about sounds more like traditional dating and well, if I'm going to do that, then I want someone who's in it for more than just what I can do for her.
The pros are nice and simple. I know exactly what they want and they know exactly what I want.
One small example, I picked up a SWer on N. Central, down around where the restaurant supply place is.
I drove on up to Broadway, took a left at the light and by the time we got to around where Fulton high is, she had her shorts unbuttoned and I had two fingers in her.
In other words, nice and simple and to the point.
I'll admit you aren't going to find any beauty queens walking the stroll, but at the same time, a lot of them have very good skills and if you lay back and close your eyes, a mouth is a mouth.
CMoney, I've worked with the public most of my life and I've never had anything like that happen.
I've known some flat out hoes through work, a couple of strippers, etc. But never a true UTR girl.
Closest I can think of was one who was giving me this bullshit story about her baby was in the hospital and she needed some money to buy the baby some medicine.
I did seriously think about seeing just how bad she wanted the money for her next fix, BUT I was in a relationship at the time and when it comes to work, I really do try to avoid shitting where I sleep.
Kmeistry, if you honestly believe that you know a girl who is spreading for money, isn't attached to you, isn't going to call up your wife, but she's spreading for you and just you, PLEASE PM me your phone, I have some bridges I'the like to sell.
I'm currently remodeling the one between Henley and Chapman, but just as soon as I'm done, it's all yours. .
Back to Doc.
I've seen you mention several times that you're too much of a 'wus' to try the street action, but you really should give it a try sometime.
As I said, if you're looking for a gorgeous girl, you aren't going to find her on the street, but you can find some with absolutely amazing skills.
Also, for me at least, the whole thing is just really exciting. The thrill of the hunt, the anticipation, the danger of getting caught, etc.
Don't just blindly go out though. Read through some of the posts on the SWer board and you'll get a lot of good tips.
A Cliff notes version, don't ever pick up a girl without first circling the block to look for both Uncle Leo and any sketchy looking guys hanging around.
Don't EVER negotiate on the street. This isn't a movie. In the real world, a legit SWer will hop in as soon as you pull up, you're just a nice guy offering her a ride, that's your story and stick to it.
I seriously doubt an undercover would get in the car with you and I can guarantee she wouldn't make sexual contact with you.
That's the usual Leo check is a mutual crotch feel up.
From there, get the hell out of the area, as quickly as possible, while obeying ALL traffic laws.
Finally, never, ever let her tell you where to go.
In the same vein, most of them will want to pick where you drop them off at, but be leery of that as well. Especially if she's been on the phone talking about where you're going to drop her off.
A lot of them also want to go to places you probably don't want to be going to. In my case, I've sometimes been able to negotiate a lower rate in exchange for a ride to say Walter P, in the middle of the night, but YMMV.
Thank you for the info, helped me alot.
[QUOTE=TwoPupPop;1322294]UTR equals "Under The Radar"; generally a girl who doesn't advertise and is very quiet about providing (or isn't a provider at all) , and thereby doesn't attract a lot of attention. Typically only provides to a couple guys (or 1) , but may see a fair number of guys if word of mouth gets her info out among a select group.[/QUOTE]
Just like doing a real virgin, girl on her first time UTR likely to shed a bunch of tears. So have to be real supportive when she cries afterwards if you want to see her again.
Lots of "You didn't do anything wrong". We are just two friends helping each other out". Stuff like that.
One girl burst into tears and said "She couldn't believe she had done this". Holding her, I told it its OK. Turns out giving it up JUST for the rent helped the guilt trip. Once I gave her the KUB then giving it up wasn't such a big deal.
Then the tears stopped and we did it again. LOL.
Of course, a number of them have the sob story and shedding tears down to an art form. They might be UTR but are really pros at it.
So like the others have said, do your research. Keep your emotions out of it. Careful. They will empty your bank account playing on your sympathy.
Never forget its all pretend, both for you and her.
[QUOTE=Anksgf; 1322581]First off, I want to thank Doc H. For all of his advice.
My only complaint would be you didn't quite explain how you find these girls.
That said, you also unintentionally hit on why I tend to stick to pros.
I know this is one of those to each his own things, but for me, I'the have a hard time doing what you're talking about.
I'the end up feeling sorry for them, feeling like I was taking advantage of them, playing with their emotions, etc.
No, I'm not captain save a ho, but I've been hurt and I've been used and I wouldn't ever want to do that to someone else.
Also, one of my closest friends is a girl who has gotten herself into a very bad relationship with this piece of shit drunk and that's exactly how it started was he was spending a bit of money on her.
I'm willing to bet that if you brought in an accountant to look over the books so to speak, she's the one supporting him, but he's playing the age old game of give her a bit of money here and there and so she thinks he's 'helping' her.
If I'm going to 'help' a girl, then I want something real.
It doesn't necessarily have to be forever, in fact, I'm not looking for forever, but what you guys are talking about sounds more like traditional dating and well, if I'm going to do that, then I want someone who's in it for more than just what I can do for her.
The pros are nice and simple. I know exactly what they want and they know exactly what I want.
One small example, I picked up a SWer on N. Central, down around where the restaurant supply place is.
I drove on up to Broadway, took a left at the light and by the time we got to around where Fulton high is, she had her shorts unbuttoned and I had two fingers in her.
In other words, nice and simple and to the point.
I'll admit you aren't going to find any beauty queens walking the stroll, but at the same time, a lot of them have very good skills and if you lay back and close your eyes, a mouth is a mouth.
CMoney, I've worked with the public most of my life and I've never had anything like that happen.
I've known some flat out hoes through work, a couple of strippers, etc. But never a true UTR girl.
Closest I can think of was one who was giving me this bullshit story about her baby was in the hospital and she needed some money to buy the baby some medicine.
I did seriously think about seeing just how bad she wanted the money for her next fix, BUT I was in a relationship at the time and when it comes to work, I really do try to avoid shitting where I sleep.
Kmeistry, if you honestly believe that you know a girl who is spreading for money, isn't attached to you, isn't going to call up your wife, but she's spreading for you and just you, PLEASE PM me your phone, I have some bridges I'the like to sell.
I'm currently remodeling the one between Henley and Chapman, but just as soon as I'm done, it's all yours. .
Back to Doc.
I've seen you mention several times that you're too much of a 'wus' to try the street action, but you really should give it a try sometime.
As I said, if you're looking for a gorgeous girl, you aren't going to find her on the street, but you can find some with absolutely amazing skills.
Also, for me at least, the whole thing is just really exciting. The thrill of the hunt, the anticipation, the danger of getting caught, etc.
Don't just blindly go out though. Read through some of the posts on the SWer board and you'll get a lot of good tips.
A Cliff notes version, don't ever pick up a girl without first circling the block to look for both Uncle Leo and any sketchy looking guys hanging around.
Don't EVER negotiate on the street. This isn't a movie. In the real world, a legit SWer will hop in as soon as you pull up, you're just a nice guy offering her a ride, that's your story and stick to it.
I seriously doubt an undercover would get in the car with you and I can guarantee she wouldn't make sexual contact with you.
That's the usual Leo check is a mutual crotch feel up.
From there, get the hell out of the area, as quickly as possible, while obeying ALL traffic laws.
Finally, never, ever let her tell you where to go.
In the same vein, most of them will want to pick where you drop them off at, but be leery of that as well. Especially if she's been on the phone talking about where you're going to drop her off.
A lot of them also want to go to places you probably don't want to be going to. In my case, I've sometimes been able to negotiate a lower rate in exchange for a ride to say Walter P, in the middle of the night, but YMMV.[/QUOTE]Well I don't know what kinda work you do but when I was a mechanic ladies would do about anything to get a lower bill or even free derive. But as we all know it isn't free either way, I also worked at az and I would have women flirting to try to get discount there also I knew I had them when they would ask you to come out and take first hand look. This one girl even sent her friend up to see me if they think they are getting it fixed for free they are very happy to open up shop.
[QUOTE=Dr Holiday; 1322705]Just like doing a real virgin, girl on her first time UTR likely to shed a bunch of tears. So have to be real supportive when she cries afterwards if you want to see her again.
Lots of "You didn't do anything wrong". We are just two friends helping each other out". Stuff like that.
One girl burst into tears and said "She couldn't believe she had done this". Holding her, I told it its OK. Turns out giving it up JUST for the rent helped the guilt trip. Once I gave her the KUB then giving it up wasn't such a big deal.
Then the tears stopped and we did it again. LOL.
Of course, a number of them have the sob story and shedding tears down to an art form. They might be UTR but are really pros at it.
So like the others have said, do your research. Keep your emotions out of it. Careful. They will empty your bank account playing on your sympathy.
Never forget its all pretend, both for you and her.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I knew a girl who I genuinely cared for and was trying to help and she wasn't even a ho, but she could conduct master classes in lies, manipulation, crying on cue and just general bullshit.
As a result, I'm pretty good at picking up on bullshit but at the same time, it's why I personally prefer pros.
I picked up one SWer who was so well trained that I went to the bathroom to take a piss and when I came out, she was already naked and lying on the bed.
When we were done, we got dressed, I paid her, she gave me her phone # and then I dropped her off at her "friend's" house.
Her friend the dope man.
I've had drama and water works from a few SWers, but it's certainly not the norm.
I see from the post below."you didn't explain exactly where you find them".
It will sound trite. But not meaning to be. You find them everywhere. From the waitress at the watering hole noticing you got cash for drinks, from the stripper noticing you got cash for dances, from a lawyer noticing you got cash in doing work for you, the dental assistant that notices the fancy car out front, etc. Etc. Find the watering holes where the doctors, lawyers, rich male professionals hang. Even if you aren't. They figure you have dead presidents to use. You'll do fine.
Knoxville (due to bad economics and no jobs I guess) is the best place I have ever seen.
As always what the attractant is. It is dead presidents. As I said before, they aren't cheap as the pros. They got bigger cash concerns usually. No tuition for next semester, no Christmas for kid, no rent for this month etc. Etc.
Years ago sitting in bar well known for the fun on the menu beside food and drinks. It was a slow night. Too much sausage in there if you know what I mean. Worst of all, none of the servers on duty were ones on the menu.
I'm old and fat. I ain't any woman's dream (except for the $$). Sitting with me is a friend young army ranger. Pure muscle, jump out of helicopter kill people type stud. Four or five hot girls come in a group. Ignore the young good looking ranger completely.
Seems they have had a fight with their manager at work and quit in a group. Then had a collective anxiety attack over where food, rent and money for the kids would come from. They made a collective decision to head for this watering hole where ones with $$ hang out.
Ticked my ranger friend off when I went off with all of them. Personal best performance by an old guy.
Next day in the same bar. Ranger says,"Tell me you didn't do all of them". I laughed and said,"If I said that, it would be a lie".
"How do I do it" he asked. I said,"pretend to be rich". And I laughed. Wasn't exactly joking. Its all about dead presidents and having them to use.
The fancy car sitting out front of dentist, lawyer, bar, whatever. They notice. Many times come in ask the door guy who's car that it. Make a direct line for me.
They watch who's tipping the waitress heavily. Buying drinks in the bar. They have the radar full on for where dead presidents might be.
Cause that's why the are going UTR. Lack of dead presidents.