Nothing recent in the posts, went yesterday and was dead. 2 girls an 2 guys in club just did the ol left my wallet in the car and bounced.
Thanks.
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Nothing recent in the posts, went yesterday and was dead. 2 girls an 2 guys in club just did the ol left my wallet in the car and bounced.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=GFunk2006;2031736]Nothing recent in the posts, went yesterday and was dead. 2 girls an 2 guys in club just did the ol left my wallet in the car and bounced.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Henry's night shift has gone downhill a bit.
Karissa, who was a favorite of mine, is done with stripping. Star, who is mostly there on the weekends is a good experience if you can catch her. Otherwise, you have your usual cast of characters: Dee Dee, Mia and Angelique. Mercedes (white girl, cute ass, average tits) looks like she could be a good ride but I haven't been in back with her. My understanding is that she has issues and habits. There's a fairly cute mexican girl who's been working there but she seems a bit conceited and from what I've been told, she supposedly only gives head, although I was told by someone else that it's just a front and she does more. Anyway, outside of Star, I can't suggest anyone worthwhile and honestly, the last couple of times I've been in there, I've left without doing anything as well. Somehow, they need to attract new talent.
[QUOTE=Incognito1234;2032128]Henry's night shift has gone downhill a bit.
Karissa, who was a favorite of mine, is done with stripping. Star, who is mostly there on the weekends is a good experience if you can catch her. Otherwise, you have your usual cast of characters: Dee Dee, Mia and Angelique. Mercedes (white girl, cute ass, average tits) looks like she could be a good ride but I haven't been in back with her. My understanding is that she has issues and habits. There's a fairly cute mexican girl who's been working there but she seems a bit conceited and from what I've been told, she supposedly only gives head, although I was told by someone else that it's just a front and she does more. Anyway, outside of Star, I can't suggest anyone worthwhile and honestly, the last couple of times I've been in there, I've left without doing anything as well. Somehow, they need to attract new talent.[/QUOTE]I would avoid MIA unless you can deal with her rules. She is usually very sexy looking, but there is zero exchange of fluids, she will put a cover in your limp member, and you better get yourself hard. She's one that I think needs to retire.
If you can catch Angelique, she will do whatever you want, and enthusiastically. But know that she is a talkative MILF, not a young spinner.
[QUOTE=GFunk2006;2031736]Nothing recent in the posts, went yesterday and was dead. 2 girls an 2 guys in club just did the ol left my wallet in the car and bounced.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Ha ha, I love this post. Definitely been there.
I stopped in centerfolds at about 4 on Monday. 4 white girls. 4 guys sitting at stage. All the girls were 2-4's. Ordered a 4.50 cola, took one sip and almost puked. I could taste the rotten syrup lines. Left after 5 minutes.
I can't seem to find anything lately. Tanks of gas, two new tires from pot hole damage, and countless cover charges. Oh well. Hopefully my drought will end soon!
[QUOTE=SteveBlack;2032319]I would avoid MIA unless you can deal with her rules. She is usually very sexy looking, but there is zero exchange of fluids, she will put a cover in your limp member, and you better get yourself hard. She's one that I think needs to retire.
If you can catch Angelique, she will do whatever you want, and enthusiastically. But know that she is a talkative MILF, not a young spinner.[/QUOTE]Hey SteveBlack:
We are all different and have different tastes and different goals in the club, but I can't say I find Mia very sexy, or even remotely sexy, at all. I think my opinion of her and others is formed more by my dealings with them and their personalities than their looks. That may not be fair, but a dancer's personality matters to me. I have found Mia to have a very bad attitude, so I avoid her and others like her. Ruby is another one I could never stand-but Ruby is horrid looking, along with being an ass! I actually remember when she was decent looking! I always thought Pam and Sabrina were sweethearts, despite their marginal looks...but Sabrina is now a VERY big girl! I guess size does matter!
On a side note, I was ay H8's last Friday and saw 'Naudia'Naughtia"...who knows how she spells it. She was latin looking, young, thin, and VERY hot! I was trying to get info from her when one of the giant dancer-beasts cock-blocked me. She had the shot girl in tow, and the private conversation turned very public and crowded. I just turned my back on the bunch of them and wished they would go away. Too bad, because Nautia was smokin' hot! I should have told her that she lost a good amount of money because of her friends. I am a sucker for overpaying too. She was too hot for Henry's! We never got to discuss the finer points of her menu...
Regards,
Costanza.
[QUOTE=Costanza;2032625]Hey SteveBlack:
We are all different and have different tastes and different goals in the club, but I can't say I find Mia very sexy, or even remotely sexy, at all. I think my opinion of her and others is formed more by my dealings with them and their personalities than their looks. That may not be fair, but a dancer's personality matters to me. I have found Mia to have a very bad attitude, so I avoid her and others like her. Ruby is another one I could never stand-but Ruby is horrid looking, along with being an ass! I actually remember when she was decent looking! I always thought Pam and Sabrina were sweethearts, despite their marginal looks...but Sabrina is now a VERY big girl! I guess size does matter!
On a side note, I was ay H8's last Friday and saw 'Naudia'Naughtia"...who knows how she spells it. She was latin looking, young, thin, and VERY hot! I was trying to get info from her when one of the giant dancer-beasts cock-blocked me. She had the shot girl in tow, and the private conversation turned very public and crowded. I just turned my back on the bunch of them and wished they would go away. Too bad, because Nautia was smokin' hot! I should have told her that she lost a good amount of money because of her friends. I am a sucker for overpaying too. She was too hot for Henry's! We never got to discuss the finer points of her menu...
Regards,
Costanza.[/QUOTE]H8S or H8N?
I met up with a friend for a late lunch, there were 12 dancers (two 8's, mostly 7's, two 6's with a 25/75 colored to non-colored ratio) and about 20 customers. Familiar dancers were Colombiana, Ebah, Kyra, Lexi, and Madison. A few dancers stopped by to chat but I was in the mood for a lady with some curves today. Eventually Candy (30 years old, white, blonde, curvy body with natural DD's, some body tats) approached me and we ended up agreeing on no song count BBBJ w / CFS for $.1, I'm glad that I had her check with the DJ before we went to the VIP because she was up in 4 songs. After her stage set Candy went to the ladies room and freshened up then we headed to the VIP.
In the VIP Candy stripped down then we did some light kissing and I sucked on her tits. Her BBBJ skills were average with some DT. I performed FIV then suited up and we started with K9, she was somewhat tight and vocal. As I expected her cushy tushy made a loud CLAP CLAP CLAP noise during K9. We switched to CG and she rode it well. After two songs of CG she climbed off and I removed the cover then she finished me off with a mix of HJ and BBBJ but she didn't want any CIM so most of it went on her hands.
Overall, Candy is a pleasant woman that provides a mediocre BBBJ with decent FS action that's unrushed however I probably wouldn't repeat with her due to my ongoing search for new experiences.
Went to club Venus yesterday as advised by a fellow member thanks but anyway I had time to blow after I left a friends house parking was 2 bucks cover charge was 6 I went in most dancers were already occupied and the ones who weren't wasn't my type stayed for a few and left talent seemed decent though I'll try again another day.
Stopped by Scores, Players and BT's on a recent weekday afternoon.
Scores was disappointing (again, this is my second visit). Maybe 5 dancers on duty. Two ebony dancers were in pretty good shape and reasonably attractive. The others were much less inspiring. I really wanted to see the VIP area but I didn't see anyone worth investing in a private dance so I departed after about 30 minutes of watching sports and drinking a beer. I certainly hope the talent is better at night.
Next stop was Players which had a pretty decent afternoon line up. Maybe a dozen or more dancers and most of them were in pretty decent shape and reasonably attractive. Chatted up one dancer who turned out to be one of the few "clean" dancers at the club- I have a knack for picking out the clean dancers at clubs. Eventually had a very good VIP visit with a curvy woman of Phiippine descent. Players features a very good afternoon shift but it has two major problems-- about half of the customers and 3/4 of the dancers smoke so, if you're not a smoker, you'll leave smelling like one. Also the circulation around the central bar is very awkward so it is somewhat difficult to meet the dancers unless you tip on stage.
To round out my trifecta, I stopped by BT's in Dearborn. Also a pretty good line up of talent with a good mix of black and white dancers. If you're into extras, this is a great club-- I have yet to meet a dancer at BTs who does not provide exceptional customer service, usually at a reasonable price point.
Overall. Two excellent strip club visits (Players and BTs) and one mediocre one (Scores).
[QUOTE=Electronman;2033912]Stopped by Scores, Players and BT's on a recent weekday afternoon.
Scores was disappointing (again, this is my second visit). Maybe 5 dancers on duty. Two ebony dancers were in pretty good shape and reasonably attractive. The others were much less inspiring. I really wanted to see the VIP area but I didn't see anyone worth investing in a private dance so I departed after about 30 minutes of watching sports and drinking a beer. I certainly hope the talent is better at night.
Next stop was Players which had a pretty decent afternoon line up. Maybe a dozen or more dancers and most of them were in pretty decent shape and reasonably attractive. Chatted up one dancer who turned out to be one of the few "clean" dancers at the club- I have a knack for picking out the clean dancers at clubs. Eventually had a very good VIP visit with a curvy woman of Phiippine descent. Players features a very good afternoon shift but it has two major problems-- about half of the customers and 3/4 of the dancers smoke so, if you're not a smoker, you'll leave smelling like one. Also the circulation around the central bar is very awkward so it is somewhat difficult to meet the dancers unless you tip on stage.
To round out my trifecta, I stopped by BT's in Dearborn. Also a pretty good line up of talent with a good mix of black and white dancers. If you're into extras, this is a great club-- I have yet to meet a dancer at BTs who does not provide exceptional customer service, usually at a reasonable price point.
Overall. Two excellent strip club visits (Players and BTs) and one mediocre one (Scores).[/QUOTE]Nice report E-man. Did you talk to the ebonies at Scores? Got names? Please PM if you prefer.
(This is where newbies and others who don't RTFF and who ask for info without giving as much need to take note: there is information that is publicly available on this site, and there is also information that is available only via PM to givers only. Get it? The rule is give, then get. I don't make the rules, I'm just saying. Anyone who says otherwise is probably douchey and not getting).
I agree about Players, especially on days. I would hang there more often if it weren't so smoky. My advice: anyone needing to mask the hobby for an SO should bring a change of clothing. Maybe hide it in your briefcase, or in your gym gab, or under the seat of your car, or under the spare tire, or in the First Aid compartment of your trunk, or wherever. Otherwise, make some other smokey place your alibi, which involves learning what other bars in the area are smokey. PM me for that info if you want it and you've got cred.
I'm still waiting to hear what happened at BT's.
[QUOTE=HeywoodJablomi;2034034]Nice report E-man. Did you talk to the ebonies at Scores? Got names? Please PM if you prefer.
(This is where newbies and others who don't RTFF and who ask for info without giving as much need to take note: there is information that is publicly available on this site, and there is also information that is available only via PM to givers only. Get it? The rule is give, then get. I don't make the rules, I'm just saying. Anyone who says otherwise is probably douchey and not getting).
I agree about Players, especially on days. I would hang there more often if it weren't so smoky. My advice: anyone needing to mask the hobby for an SO should bring a change of clothing. Maybe hide it in your briefcase, or in your gym gab, or under the seat of your car, or under the spare tire, or in the First Aid compartment of your trunk, or wherever. Otherwise, make some other smokey place your alibi, which involves learning what other bars in the area are smokey. PM me for that info if you want it and you've got cred.
I'm still waiting to hear what happened at BT's.[/QUOTE]Honey was the stage name of one of the slender and attractive ebony dancers but she disappeared after her stage set and didn't reappear before I left. I don't recall the other names, sorry. Check your inbox for a few more details.
Stopped in BT's after work to see what kind of action was going on. Not a lot of girls working (5 or 6) and the range on quality was pretty low. Had a beer and watched some stage girls. The problem with this bar is that the girls don't circulate and the customers get pissed off and leave.
Today was no different.
Sat at the bar for about 20 minutes before an older Hispanic dancer (Bianca) approached and was very forward with her offerings. We agreed on BBBJ CFS with no dance count for $.2. Went in the back and she immediately went to work. Took her top off to show off her DD's and proceeded to give me a nice slow BBBJ with a little BLS for extra measure. After a couple of songs she wrapped the guy and took me for a spin. She was a heavier girl. But still knew all the moves. Did CG, Mish, Doggie, and RCG. When I was ready to pop she hopped off and wanted it on her its. I obliged. Just like in the movies!
She cleaned me up and I went on my merry way. Total damage .10 valet .20 VIP fun time $.2.
Funny thing is that I think I could have even gotten a better deal. Daytime is good if you don't mind the limited choices.
[QUOTE=SteveBlack;2009248]MM is spot on about this. There have been at least three different dancers over the last couple of years at BTs, whom I experienced similar results. All three times it went just like this:
Me: "I see you're sitting all alone, sit with me." Her: "Ok".
Me, after buying a couple of drinks: "So do you know how the VIP works? What's on the menu (sic)?" Her: "Yes, but I only will get you off with foreplay or grinding (sic).".
Me: "Well I'm her for FS, so here's a parting tip ($5/$10). I don't want to keep you from 'making money' Her: "okay, thanks.".
Then when I saw them again 3 months later, they came right up to me. 2 of of the 3 said, "I remember you, want to do VIP?" The third didn't remember me, but we still fucked. The moral of this anecdote is, don't sweat them not giving you everything. Unless it happens all the time, in different places. In that case, change your technique and / or appearance.[/QUOTE]SB, That is the playbook.
I will also add there is something very satisfying about a girl who tells you she won't or doesn't do something a couple of times and then agrees to do it with you.
I just like to look at her down on her knees watching her head bob up and down and think we finally got you where you belong. It tends to make me cum harder and longer.
Something about saying no the first time makes the experience sweeter the next time.
MM.
[QUOTE=JulesJordan;2009428]My arrival time was 10:00, there were 16 dancers (a few 8's, mostly 7's, some 6's and a 30/70 colored to non-colored ratio) with about 40 customers. I sat at the bar and noticed some new faces (primarily younger dancers) since my last evening visit back in January, shortly after receiving my beer I was approached by Magic (early 20's, white, brunette, slightly curvy body and taller height, Bcup tits, some body tats, a tad ghetto). Magic mentioned that she previously worked at Subi's and just started working at BT's earlier this week. After some small talk we eventually arrived to the service subject, she wanted $$ for half and half and I told her that my absolute max was $.2 with no song count so we parted ways. Jules, a cute curvy ebony dancer, approached me next but unfortunately I'm not an ebony guy so we only spoke for a few minutes before she moved on. Next, a curvy enhanced DD rack brunette MILF named Delilah approached me and mentioned that she was also from Subi's. Initially I was very interested in Delilah but after chatting with her for a while I decided that she wasn't for me (seemed to be dull) so I sent her on her way. A mid 20's curvy dirty blonde named Loco (said she was from H8's) came up to me and was very upfront and quickly offered half and half for $ but I wasn't attracted to her so I politely declined. Finally, Magic came back and agreed to my initial offer so we headed to the VIP.
In the VIP Magic stripped down and I sucked on her tits some then she gave me a BBBJ, her skills were average with DT and licking the top. She didn't want any FIV so I suited up and we started with K9, she kept her ass slightly misaligned from me which made it difficult to get a good stride going. We switched to CG then after a minute or two of action she told me to hurry up and finish, she said it a few more times and I finished inside her after about 5 minutes.
Overall, Magic isn't a bad looking girl but I would definitely skip her for rushing.[/QUOTE]JJ, good report.
I like how you set your price point and let her walk away. There is a lesson we can all learn there. Subi's would have made me think about skipping her altoghether.
She is on my skip list also.
MM.
[QUOTE=SharpShooter1;2010150]A longtime friend invited me to attend the auto show in Detroit. We have attended semi-regularly over the years, and since his shrew-***** wife was out of town for a few days, I was happy to accept his invite to stay at his house. I flew in mid-afternoon on Friday, and suggested we hit a nice gentlemen's club and have a brew and maybe dinner. I've read this and other forums and was interested in trying out BT's in Dearborn, but my buddy was worried that there would be a high probability of seeing one of his co-workers (he works at a certain nearby auto company). Instead, he suggested that the Criket might be a suitable option.
We arrived in late afternoon, and there was no valet or cover charge. The club seemed smaller to me than it appeared from the outside, but the music wasn't so loud that conversation was impossible. The table we took was clean, there was only the hint of smoke in the air, and I rate our waitresses looks an 8, and her service a 9. As for dancers, I think we arrived near shift change but I would guess there were roughly a half dozen dancers on hand. A couple of 7's were tied up with what I assume were regulars, with the remaining one's also in the 6 - 7 range. After a brew, I hit the surprisingly clean bathroom, and on the way back almost ran into a late 30's MILFish brunette. I smiled and leaned over and made a proposal to her. She smiled back and said she would be right out. A few minutes later she came to our table and retrieved my dumbfounded friend and toook him back to the VIP area.
About 20 minutes later she returned to the table, and she gave me back $20 stating he didn't last that long. A few minutes later my friend came back with the biggest shoe-eating grin on his face and said she was amazing. I wasn't present of course, but given she returned $20 out of the $150 I gave her up front, this left a favorable impression on me. Unfortunately, my buddy's daughter called with a semi-emergency before I could sample any of the dancers myself. The next time I'm in the Detroit metro area, I might just return to the Criket.[/QUOTE]SS1,
I could us a few friends like you.
MM.
[QUOTE=BigPuffDaddy;2010310]Well said. I have had several dancers at various clubs over the years tell me they only rarely do FS, but agree to do it with me. You can say that is just part of their game, to make me think I am getting special treatment, but then I read on the internet that other guys cannot get these same particular girls to agree to FS. I have had dancers say to me that most of the other guys who come into the club are weird, assholes, perverts, etc and I just seem like a normal guy who treats them with respect. Have had several dancers want to date me. So I guess YMMV and some girls may just have a connection with certain guys. Also, as you said-some girls don't do extras at first and then find they can't compete unless they do-so they may tell you no FS and a few months later are doing it with most guys who ask.[/QUOTE]BPD, is on point here.
First all guys are weird, assholes and perverts. It is in our nature, and it is a survival mechanism of our species. Even guys who are not into the PFP scene they look, want and lust after pretty girls. That is why sex sells for advertising. That is why Coca cola girls are all models, you don't use grandmas or 300 pounders to sell coke.
Guys who go to strip clubs are just more honest about being weird, assholes and perverts. However with in the range of guys there are weirder, bigger assholes, and more perverse guys. If the weirdness, assholery and perverseness crosses the line (which is frequently does) that they are no longer nice and respectful the peelers, the peelers will frequently take this treatment because they are paid to. However if you can be nice and respectful, frequently the peelers will do any weird perverted thing you want, because they crave being treated in nice normal respectful way.
Many of us have experienced this better treatment from peelers by simply being more respectful, nicer or normal.
MM.
[QUOTE=BigPuffDaddy;2010326] I have also had a few occasions where the girl just forgets to ask for the money after we are done, and I give it to them anyways.[/QUOTE]BPD,
Glad to see you are ethical.
If a girl forgets to ask and you don't give it to them that would be called theft, assuming she has earned it.
I would never leave the club with making sure all peelers get what their have earned with their efforts be it sperm or cash.
MM.
[QUOTE=Tomautoman;2013963]Great advice Steve. Get to know them, build trust. Most of the time with me, they have suggested the OTC for a more relaxed time and no club fees, cameras etc. Have had many great encounters this way. Especially if you have done VIP's in the past and all the formalities are out of the way. Just don't be a stalker or blow their phones up once you have made arrangements. ALso don't fall into the girlfriend thing where you are "loaning" them money...but that is a whole nother story.[/QUOTE]Tom and Steve.
The pluses and minuses of OTC / ITC are well known. It is a riskier activity to do OTC. When it works out well it is worth the risk and you can have a much better time. When it goes badly it can go much worse and you have a much worse time.
I often think I should do more OTC and go for those great times. But the fear of the bad keeps me mostly preferring ITC.
I guess I am just a big chicken.
MM.
[QUOTE=BestGuyAb;2014126]For the individual cops, spending 2 months to solve murder will net you 1 arrest and put your life in danger. 20 arrests can be made in couple hours in a strip club. When it comes to promotion time, whose performance looks better?[/QUOTE]BGA,
Nice to see when someone posts the truth.
If I were a cop I know which one I would rather spend my time working on.
MM.
[QUOTE=Plumber2;2014133]The rationale is that the clubs bring drugs and other crime to the area.[/QUOTE]P2,
I think the drugs are there anyway. There are plenty of cities that don't have the strip club scene like Detroit but have serious drug problems.
As for other crimes that is a societal problem.
It should not be a crime;.
To take you dick out in a private place like a strip club.
To have a hot young girl rub her sexual parts on you.
To pay some one to make you cum.
If we simply decriminalized these things the other crime would go away. We have simply made ordinary human behavior a crime.
MM.
[QUOTE=LordCyler;2014578]Went in for a quick lunch break this week. After vallet and salad I was at .20 after tips. Can I say, if only those waitresses were offering more. Damn. Was hoping for a little fun before heading out and had a chat with Kyra? Hard to tell what they say sometimes. Young spinner with A's and cute face. Figured I would be paying for it and didn't have that much on me at the time. I was right. Says she doesn't even go back for less then $5 and that's before the fun starts. I say no thinks and pay for the convo.
You might have fun here, but it's just too expensive for me. I need a place for lunch that isn't going to cost me a days pay.
Have fun guys.[/QUOTE]LC,
If it is hard to tell what she is saying ask her to repeat it. I haven't noticed any problems hearing the peelers at BT. The music is usually little loud but I am able to carry on a normal volume conversation with a person sitting next to me.
As you need to counter offer. $5 was her starting price and she figured if you were willing to pay it she would take it. She was expecting a counter like $1 and you very likely could have reached a deal that you would be happy with and left with less cash and bigger smile on your face.
MM.
[QUOTE=Electronman;2015324] the valet parking does not have a sheltered waiting area for customers waiting for their cars (after all, this is Michigan). [/QUOTE]Eman, this goes in the what were they thinking category.
You spend all this money on a new building and you don't account for covered valet area? I would not go to this club between November and February for that reason. I also would go other times of the year when it is raining out. Frequently I think rainy and snowy nights are good nights to go because the peelers frequently have to be there anyway, and other customers stay home because of the bad weather. You can walk in and they are happy to see you and know that the supply (peelers) is high and the demand (customers) is low. They say it is dead in here. I say it only takes 1 customer for you to have good night, lets negotiate on what you are willing to do for me.
Also in more general criticism, what other essential things did they forget. Paper towels for drying your hands? I am concerned the people running it will not have the vision to make it a good club if they missed out on sheltered waiting area. After all we are talking about Michigan.
MM.
[QUOTE=DonDula;2017496]I have been on this board for years and this is my very first post.
This past Saturday me and a buddy decided to check out scores. This is a very nice place to say the least. We valeted the car ($7) We did not have to pay cover as we knew the door man from ph but did have to give up $20 for the booth. This place does have some of the best looking waitstaff I have ever seen, wish some of them were on stage. They did have a decent amount of girls working, according to one of the dancers they had about 40. After striking out a couple of times for a bit extra I ran into a dancer that used to work at the flight club a while back. We agreed to .70 for BBBJ in the VIP. We ended up in a room with our own private pole and plenty of room to do anything we wanted. After getting up there and her starting she picked her head up and said she wanted some as well. She slipped a rubber on and I went to town from behind. It did cost me an extra 20 for the room but well worth it! My buddy also did end up scoring as well. It is just the luck of the draw. Drink prices were fair compared to coliseum and penthouse. All in all it was a great night and hope they can keep the talent up.[/QUOTE]DD,
Nice report, and this is the only thing I have read that makes we interested to go see Scores.
Just curious why did their opening prompt you to post? I don't understand?
MM.
[QUOTE=hardon;2021119]Stopped by BT's early this week for some relaxation. Very light crowd. First dancer that sat down was Kristen who is a very friendly spinner with long brown hair and tongue stud. Had a nice conversation but VIP never came up, but I was interested to try her out. Next dancer that landed was Ashley a pretty blond and very friendly. Unfortunately had a close resemblance to my sister so I did not want to take a trip to the VIP. Then an ebony dancer named Marie stopped and recognized me from a previous visit. I was eager to repeat based on the last experience. Did some serious groping at the bar until I had a boner so hard I had to chill a bit before standing up. After Junior calmed down I headed back to the VIP with Marie. It was fricking cold in the VIP area (at least 20 degrees colder than the main bar area). I could take it but Marie, who was not wearing much, was literally shivering to the point I thought she might cancel the date. I shed some clothes so that Marie would have something warmer than the cold vinyl covered bench to sit down on. Did some outstanding French lessons to a massive nut with not a drop wasted. I will definitely repeat.[/QUOTE]Hardon, nice report. Here are my thoughts.
I sometimes to like to wait for them to mention VIP as it can increase negotiating power, but if she doesn't I frequently bring it up if I think she is hot.
I get being with you sister would be weird, but I wouldn't have any issue being with a stripper who resembled my sister. I could easily make the distinction between sister and stripper.
The Temperature in the VIP at BTs has fluctuated greatly. I have been back there when it is hot and when it is cold. Normally it is somewhat cold. I can think of several reasons for this. First dancing on Stage takes a lot of energy and those stripper tricks can get a good muscle burn going, which tends to make the peeler be warm. Second when they are cold their tits tend to be erect and look better. Third I am lazy customer and like to sit back on the bench and have her pleasure me, including riding up and down, bouncing and grinding. All of those things take a lot of work and I don't want her suddenly sweating all over me. I would prefer she heat herself by burning calories through our VIP session.
Lastly if a peeler tells me she is cold, I usually wear a button down shirt and I have a warm body temperature. I unbutton my shirt, I have her get off the cold vinyl and sit or straddle on me. I press her chest and her stomach against mine. Sometimes I even fish my dick out and let her press her pussy against it. My shirt is wide enough that I can wrap it around her and cover her sides and part of her back. I tell her she can just sit like this as long as she wants to get warmed up before she starts the dance. I have had several take me up on it for about 1 song. It feel great to have her young naked flesh pressed against me.
I would encourage you to try it.
MM.
[QUOTE=JulesJordan;2021235]There were 9 dancers (one 8, mostly 7's, a few 6's, and almost a 50/50 colored to non-colored ratio) with about 16 customers when I arrived. Shortly after receiving my drink I was approached by two dancers that didn't interest me. After 45 minutes of hanging out Madison (white, mid 20's, brunette, taller thin build with Acup tits) approached me and we did some small talk then ended up agreeing on no song count half and half for $.2.
In the VIP Madison stripped down then she gave me an ok warm up dance. Next she performed BBBJ, her skills were decent with some DT and licking the top. I did FIV to warm up her giner then I suited up. K9 was nothing special, she wasn't very tight and was quiet. We switched to CG, she got into it alittle more and after two songs of riding she climbed off removed the cover then gave me a BJ with a CIMWS finish.
I've read and heard mixed things about Madison and overall our unrushed session was slightly above average due to a decent BJ and the CIMWS finish but I probably wouldn't repeat with her.[/QUOTE]Thanks JJ,
As usual another great report.
Madison is on my skip list. I continue to find reviewing your report helps me decide who to avoid and who to approach.
This is a big help for out of towners who don't have the luxury of being able to do as much of our own research as we would like.
Marelobo.
[QUOTE=NewDude;2021292]We bs for a minute and I then make a rookie mistake. I go into the back without making arrangements. We get back there and tells me she doesn't "freak" and I'm thinking damn I literally just wasted my time and the rest if my day shift hours on this bum. Anyway I leave her and the club and chalk it up as a lost.
Head over to ace of spades were I am much more pleased with the talent. Unfortunately all the hot ones are preoccupied and not making rounds after there set. I setlled (which I try to never do) and ended up in the with an older hustler type who gave me a BBBJ that was mostly hand. Damn what a wasted night. I tend to stick to black clubs back home due to the much better value but here I guess the white clubs are better. Is my consensus correct? Or did I just get bsed? By every girl I talked to.[/QUOTE]ND,
I feel your pain reading your report, but come on man, you are doing it to yourself. Stop making rookie mistakes and you will have a lot better time. These peeler read people for a living and if they read you as rookie you will continue to get bsed into mostly handjobs.
Rookie alerts;.
Go to the back with out making arrangements, easy to fix.
Choose one that doesn't freak, clarify before leaving your table.
All the hot one are occupied, wait man wait, they won't be occupied for hours most guys can't even last 15 minutes.
Settling, I have occasionally settled and it usually ends up as it did for you. Save your money for next time and don't settle.
Bsed by every girl I talk to, this is your fault stop letting them bs you. Call them on it and change their behavior.
BBBJ turned into a hand job, I don't even need to comment on this one.
I don't think this is a black club or a white club thing, you can have a good time at both clubs for very reasonable prices. You can make it happen, most of the rest of us do.
MM.
[QUOTE=MareloboMex;2034369]LC,
As you need to counter offer. $5 was her starting price and she figured if you were willing to pay it she would take it. She was expecting a counter like $1 and you very likely could have reached a deal that you would be happy with and left with less cash and bigger smile on your face.
MM.[/QUOTE]Kyra is a fun little spinner. Although I paid 140 for DFK, DATY, CBJ & CFS, I've heard reports of her price coming down to 110. As usual YMMV.
[QUOTE=JohnnyBoy14;2021367]Does BT club all girls have menu or just some? And how the VIP is it a room or curtain. What about bouncer tips?[/QUOTE]JB,
All girls at BTs do not have a menu. But 80% have a menu for all guys. There are some that will have a menu if she likes you or don't think you are that creepy. There are some that have no or limited menu on this visit but will have a wider menu on future visits.
The VIP has a curtain. If you need a door to feel comfortable this could be an issue. I have never found it to be a problem as I am so focused on the naked peeler pleasuring me. I do think it is a bit of a turn on that you can hear people walking by in the hallway. Sometimes I like to stand up next to the curtain and have her blow me, be cause I think it fun to have people walking by while I am getting a blow job. Sometime I like to position her so her heals are visible at the bottom of the curtain while she is blowing me because again I think it would be fun to see that view from the outside of the curtain.
Although honestly if you told me a hot sexy teenage or early twenties girl is willing to suck my dick, you could take the curtain off and I would happily receive the BJ or put me up on the main stage and let her go at it. I wouldn't care at all as long as she ends up making me cum.
It is 20 bouncer tip every time you go to the VIP. It is a total rip off, and everyone hates it including me. The only possible good thing I can see it that many guys refuse and go to other clubs so there is less attention for each peeler you like. Guys are not really willing to do sessions for just dances once they pay that 20 dollar fee, so most peelers have a menu and they know their are only so many guys they can go with each night, so there menu is available for most us.
All the positives I point out could be easily handled by simply having more peelers and more VIP rooms instead of 20 dollar per trip tax. Despite this tax it is still my personal favorite club.
MM.
[QUOTE=Dmich3;2021838]Headed last night (Friday) with a buddy to an all time fav, the LS in Rom. Always have a great time and rarely disappointed in the quality of dancers there. About a 70/30 mix, W-be that night. Saw a pretty, slim, tight spinner named Taya. We chatted a bit and I asked about extras. She said she only liked to talk about menu options downstairs in private. Bucking the sage advise of this site and not pre-negotiating BEFORE heading to the VIP, off we went. We got down to business as soon as the curtain was shut and she informed me that her "discounted rate" for BBBJ was $ and full service was $ I told her I didn't want to marry her, only rent her for a few songs. She seemed offended that I thought her prices were too high and I said I have had model quality dancers at this same club provide the same for .5, but since she was definitely someone I wanted to try out, I offered $. She said she knew what she was worth and that she could get up to $1 k for FS on the outside. I laughed and told her that is why she was sitting in a sticky SC booth offering a BJ to a complete stranger. At that point I was getting tired of her BS and said just be a good peeler and give me a couple of songs, old school with no extras. She said ok, but her price was .5 per song, double the actual. I was done with her at that point and was pissed that I wasted time with someone with such an out of touch self opinion of herself. To get a dig in, I peeled off .25 and said this was the first time I ever paid someone to go away and went back upstairs to the bar. I mentioned to the bartender what happened and he couldn't have been more accommodating. He offered to buy me a replacement dance, kept shoving free drinks to my buddy and I, and even threw 7 free admissions cards our way. He said he had had a few complaints about Taya before and didn't want to lose us to another club. Ended up having a great time with the other, more accommodating peelers that night and will definitely continue enjoying the LS. Just want all of you brother mongers to avoid Taya like the plague. If she gets hit in the pocketbook big enough, she will either change her attitude and finally get a repeat customer, or leave the business altogether.[/QUOTE]Dmich, you report made me laugh.
Thanks for the warning on Taya, I will definitely stay away. And I like how the club handled you were fortunate in that regard.
You should have known you were in for trouble when you didn't negotiate ahead of time. Don't make that mistake again. And as soon as it went bad you should have walked out. You are kind of lucky she was so bad that you didn't start the session if you did she could have made it much worse for you.
I loved your snarky comments because of course they are so true. But I could see any peeler being a little offended if you said those things to her especially if you said them with attitude. My style would be a bit less snark.
MM.
[QUOTE=LuvtheLife;2024881]Staying in Southfield, thought I would check LC since it was closer, what a dump, I am a big guy and there are girls in that place that couldn't put my underwear on. Moved on to Jags, just a little too ghetto for me, so back to the Toy Chest. Night shift was rocking with several lookers including a 20 year old that was thin, tall, with a great ass. She started only offering dances but tried to get to come back for 1 ben for CFS, I declined as I am BBBJ guy. Was approaced by a young 24-25 year old, 5' 2" spinner, nice hair, great eyes, nice be's, nice ass. We agreed to 1 ben for BBBJTC and it was absolutely the best one I have ever had in a place like this. She did not spill a drop and even licked the leakage afterwards like a lolipop. I know I shouldn't change the econs but I tipped her an extra 20. Next time I am in town I will be back to see her again.[/QUOTE]LtL,
Excellent report, it makes me want to go to Toy Chest.
I don't think you changed the econ with you tip. If her BJ was above expectations I think it fair to say that was one of best blowjobs I have had, I want to give you a tip for being so good.
I think a 20 dollar tip for average service would be econ foolish or a 40 dollar tip for your service. That is about the price range I tip if I feel a peeler has done more than she needed to and I would like to repeat with her.
MM.
[QUOTE=Sphunter;2026054]The only thing is she demanded money upfront which I reluctantly did but it worked out. Her name was Tara. [/QUOTE]Sphun,
You are lucky it worked out. Clearly there are some honest peeler and if they can get you to pay up front, why not.
You were careless and if other copy your behavior, it could end badly for them.
Most peelers no the game and don't even ask. If she asks you it can frequently go bad.
I would encourage you not to that again.
MM.
[QUOTE=SteveBlack;2027004]You have to be more aggressive if you want attention, most afternoons. Be sure to sit in a high traffic area, like near the dressing rooms. Also, but sure to be seen spending money. That means don't just sit at the bar, but buy from the waitress, and tip her. More than once. I like to get chummy with the wait staff as most guys just want them to go away. After my second tip, I sometimes ask them to send over dancers I want to meet, if they aren't circulating. Be sure to stage tip a couple of times, too. This shows the girls watching that you do have money.
I understand if you are on a tight budget, but if you are coming in from out of town, you need to set yourself up with the best chances for success. Of course I do the same thing as you when I don't get what I want. "Settle for Bogies!" LOL.[/QUOTE]Punter85,
Steve is giving you many good suggestions. I would add that stage tipping is very effective. I like to watch the rotation and I usually tip all the 8 and 9 one dollar. If you figure that any given night this is about 5 peelers and you watch three rotations that is 15 dollars. Not very much to spend. You are telling her you are interested in a dance from her, but she sees you tip others also so you are not only interested from her.
If you ever become interested in only 1 peeler you have lost your ability to negotiate. Always look at it as 1 of these 3 or 4 peelers is going to make me happy.
When you have the waitress send them over which I have done also, they know you want them, and they come over because the waitress sent them. I have sometime found some that did not want to negotiate with me likely because something about me turns them off. With the stage tipping they have to make the effort to come over and when she does that I at least know she is marginally interested or not repulsed by me.
Only piece of advise that doesn't apply for me, is I never settle for Bogies.
MM.
[QUOTE=JulesJordan;2027328]There were 20 dancers (some 8's, mostly 7's, very few 6's with a 30/70 colored to non-colored ratio) and about 45 customers when I arrived. Shortly after receiving my beer I was approached by Lotus (21 years old, Latino, brunette, slightly curvy body with Bcup tits, a few body tats) and we clicked right away, she is a total sweetheart. My friend was interested in a tight body early 20's tanned brunette spinner named Star, Lotus was helpful in having Star stop by to chat. Lotus and I decided on no song count BBBJ w / CFS for $.2. Star ended up being BJ only so my friend sent her on her way. After her stage set Lotus and I headed to the VIP.
In the VIP we felt each other up then did lots of DFK and I sucked on her tits. Her BBBJ skills were excellent with licking the top, DT, sack licking, and some eye contact. I did DATY (which is rare for me) to her nice giner then suited up and did FIV before going in. CG was first, she was fairly tight and got wet fast and we made out during the ride. We switched to K9 and she was energetic and yelled when she came. It was hot how she was yelling my name and telling me not to stop. We went back to CG and as I was getting near the finish line I told her and she climbed off removed the cover then give me a nice CIMWS finish. Afterwards, I went to the men's room and cleaned up to prepare for whatever other fun that might come my way.
I returned to my table and ordered another beer then shortly after Tina (21 years old, Russian, brunette, nice tight / slightly muscular body with firm Bcup tits, no tats that I recall) stopped by to chat. Tina was upfront about her services but I needed some time to recover so we chatted for about an hour then we decided on no song count BBBJ w / CFS for $.2.
In the VIP Tina stripped down we felt each up other up (her ass and upper legs were rock solid) then we did some DFK and I sucked on her tits. Her BBBJ skills were decent with DT and some gagging. I did FIV to get her nice giner warmed up then I covered up. First was K9, she was fairly tight and energetic. We switched to CG and she rode it like a maniac, I'm surprised that the cover didn't break. During CG she was called on stage so we had to stop so she could tell the bouncer to skip her, after that she got alittle pissy about having to pay the skip fee and she told me that I had to finish soon. She tried to give me a CIM finish but it was difficult due to my prior session still being fairly recent so I put on another cover and we did K9 until finish.
Overall, Lotus is a very nice and cute girl that provides a great GFE that's totally unrushed. Tina is a cute girl with a nice body that provides a decent BBBJ with solid FS action and she's worth sampling.[/QUOTE]JJ, love your reports.
Got wood just from reading it, vicariously wishing I was you.
All three sound excellent to me Lotus, Star and Tina.
I frequently ask myself why I don't live in Detroit.
My last visit was months ago and I am really in need of session but best I seem to be able to do, is read this forum and torture myself with all the fun I am missing.
Marelobo.
[QUOTE=BangNBounce;2028014]Agreed on many parts of your statement, "community property" "cleanliness of the VIP area / girl" "beginning of shift change" "pre-shift services". That is why I made my comment. And to answer your question, no I don't kiss ether, I'm there for 1 reason and then move on to the next adventure. I'm not there for a relationship with these women. I have no problem with sharing them with my fellow brothers here and I to have unloaded many times w / cim. Just like others have as well. I just prefer not to taste others deposits. LOL.[/QUOTE]BNB.
First, to each is own. So if you don't like or it grosses you out to be sucking and licking her tits absolutely don't do it.
However I don't get the point that you are trying to make, and I think Steve Black has given you good advice.
For me I need to suck the peelers tits as that gets me from semi hard to fully hard. I usually do it for an entire song. It helps make the rest of the session go well for me. I have found if I skip that step I sometimes have trouble finishing.
You seem to make several points one on leftovers, taste, and at least imply a point on health. I will address all three of them.
Leftovers. If you are really worried about this, then you don't belong in the SC. Because there are boy leftovers and girl leftovers everywhere. You like to finish on her tits. When I finish with a peeler, I frequently coat her in cum from face to foot. So you can not really touch any part of her with out contacting my leftovers. Even if you manage to get dances from her with out touching her these boy leftovers and girl leftovers are everywhere. They are on the tables, the stage, the chairs, the drink glasses, the money from the waitress. They are on the food and in the drinks and even in the air you breathe in the club.
For that matter if you are worried about somehow coming into contact with someone else's leftover even staying out of the club is not enough. What about that nice lady that sits next to you at work. Her husband might have cum all over in the morning before work. Or she might have snuck out at 11:00 am to meet her lover and jerked him off over her hand. Then she goes back to the office grabs a cup of coffee not noticing there is still cum on her hand and it get transferred to the next coffee cup the one you take when you to get your coffee? There are people leftovers everywhere.
So the question seems to be are there more leftovers on her tits than anything else you happen to come into contact with. I would suggest not. As long as she does a minimal wipe up job, there is nothing left there.
Tasting others deposits – If you have put a peeler tits in your mouth and it tasted like cum, then I would agree with you, and not do this. I have had a good number of tits in my mouth and never once had the taste of cum. Further I have never read on this board anyone else tasting cum on a girls tits. I am not clear what is the taste objection you are raising.
Health – You did not directly say you were concerned about getting a disease but that is the most common reason we try to avoid the fluids of other humans. There are some risky and non risky things we can do in the SC. I am not making any value judgment and I have my own set of things I don't do, that are perfectly safe and many other do engage in.
You can bareback a peelers ass or pussy. That is the most risky thing and most guys on this board would suggest not doing that. However we all know some of us engage in it.
You can stick your dick in her mouth or perform DATY. This is less risk. More than half the guys on this board would suggest this is an acceptable risk, but a large minority would not.
You can aggressively kiss or swap spit with her. This is even less risk and most guys on this board would say that is ok to do.
All other activities are negligible risk, including sucking her tits. Most of the risk with fluid exchange is infected fluids get into a healthy individual. In the case of cumming on her tits as long as her tits feel dry, there isn't fluid there, and the organisms that cause the infection can not live outside our bodies and fluids. So once you blast out your load and she wipes it up any infectious things die in the next few minutes, plenty of safety time before the next guy is sucking on those tits.
If this whole post is just a bunch of BS, then I will finish where I started and suggest you don't do anything that you don't like or find to be gross.
MM.
[QUOTE=JulesJordan;2028395]There were 18 dancers (four 8's, mostly 7's with a 30/70 colored to non-colored ratio) and about 50 customers when I arrived. I grabbed a seat at the bar and ordered a beer then shortly after a thin blonde named Britney approached me, she was nice but not my type so we parted ways. After 15 minutes of hanging out I took a seat by the stage and after her stage set Eden (24 years old, white, brunette, thin build and taller height, Acup tits, some body tats, pierced lip) stopped by to chat. Eden was somewhat reserved at first but she warmed up after we got to know each other more, she recently had a bad ending to a long term relationship. It turns out that she just returned to dancing this week after a 2 year break and I was her first customer for the evening. We ended up deciding on no song count BBBJ w / CFS for $.25. Before going to the VIP she excused herself to go to the ladies room to freshen up.
In the VIP she stripped down and we started out by feeling each other up. I rubbed her clit some then we did lots of DFK. Her BBBJ skills were great with licking the top, DT, and sack licking. Also, she did this humming type thing during the BJ and it felt great. She sat on the bench seat and put her legs up for Mish, her giner was gorgeous so I dived in for some DATY. Before going in I suited up then we started with K9. Eden had me start slow due to the tight fit, she felt great and got soaking wet fast. I worked her hard in K9, she was very vocal and energetic. The best part is that she's a squirter and she let loose on the padded seat during K9 and screamed. CG was next, she rode it very well taking it in deep and letting me know when she was getting ready to climax. We switched back to K9 until finish. Afterwards we made out some more and exchanged compliments.
I was alittle disappointed in the talent level at BT's tonight but Eden definitely made up for it by providing an outstanding GFE that I won't forget anytime soon and therefore I recommend getting to know her. She reminded me alittle of Luna when she was in her prime at BT's in mid to late 2012.[/QUOTE]JJ, Thanks for your continuing excellent reports.
Eden is now at the top of my list, she should like everything I like except for the piercings. I have long had a squirting fantasy and never seen a girl do this.
You continue to aspire and amaze. Keep up the good work.
I hope I am lucky enough to follow in your footsteps and not just fantasize about your adventures.
I have got to find a way back to Detroit.
MM.
[QUOTE=AllOverTheMap;2028859]This is not her and if I had a picture of her I'd surely post it. But she does resemble this Czech Party Hardcore hottie quite a bit. If you're familiar with Anisa, you should see the similarity. Reports of her hijinx on this board are few and far between and I am on the east coast, so I'd like to learn whether she's dancing regularly anywhere before planning another visit.[/QUOTE]AOTM,
If you are only going to be happy with this specific girl, don't plan visit. She may have left the industry, be working in a different state, be pregnant, died, etc.
However I am certain you can find a girl who resembles you fantasy I would encourage you to put you energy into planning a visit and seeing what adventures and naked girls await you.
Who knows you might even find a new ATF.
MM.
[QUOTE=JulesJordan;2033720]I met up with a friend for a late lunch, there were 12 dancers (two 8's, mostly 7's, two 6's with a 25/75 colored to non-colored ratio) and about 20 customers. Familiar dancers were Colombiana, Ebah, Kyra, Lexi, and Madison. A few dancers stopped by to chat but I was in the mood for a lady with some curves today. Eventually Candy (30 years old, white, blonde, curvy body with natural DD's, some body tats) approached me and we ended up agreeing on no song count BBBJ w / CFS for $.1, I'm glad that I had her check with the DJ before we went to the VIP because she was up in 4 songs. After her stage set Candy went to the ladies room and freshened up then we headed to the VIP.
In the VIP Candy stripped down then we did some light kissing and I sucked on her tits. Her BBBJ skills were average with some DT. I performed FIV then suited up and we started with K9, she was somewhat tight and vocal. As I expected her cushy tushy made a loud CLAP CLAP CLAP noise during K9. We switched to CG and she rode it well. After two songs of CG she climbed off and I removed the cover then she finished me off with a mix of HJ and BBBJ but she didn't want any CIM so most of it went on her hands.
Overall, Candy is a pleasant woman that provides a mediocre BBBJ with decent FS action that's unrushed however I probably wouldn't repeat with her due to my ongoing search for new experiences.[/QUOTE]JJ,
Good report, however this one makes me want to skip BTs.
I know we all need some variety.
MM.
[QUOTE=HeywoodJablomi;2034034]Nice report E-man. Did you talk to the ebonies at Scores? Got names? Please PM if you prefer.
I'm still waiting to hear what happened at BT's.[/QUOTE]Electronman,
I agree with Heywood, I dying to know what happened at BT's. Please share what you can.
MM.
[QUOTE=HeywoodJablomi;2034403]Kyra is a fun little spinner. Although I paid 140 for DFK, DATY, CBJ & CFS, I've heard reports of her price coming down to 110. As usual YMMV.[/QUOTE]Thanks Heywood,
LC, take Heywood lesson here. He is a master on this board and frequently posts valuable tips and advise.
I am certain with some practice you get the same results he did and Kyra will be begging you to bang orgasms out of her for well under 200.
MM.