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[QUOTE=Pursuer]I did a search in this section for info on jbars. What are the standard operating procedures? What is the exit fee? Table fee? Bottle fee? Automatic nekohana?
Thanks[/QUOTE]To my understanding most only have a table fee of .50 if any the rest is standard. I have heard in the past about some members only jbars, where J celebs and yakuza members would go.
[QUOTE=Daddy00]Just curious if anyone really knows what these girls can pull a week?
I heard 1500-2500 a week! From a cutie,can that be true?[/QUOTE]Knew some girls that could pull in over 5,000 a week over 10 years ago but nowadays with economy how it is maybe about 3,000 a week for the really popular ones but still a stretch I think. Bars are just too dead nowadays.
[QUOTE=Daddy00]Just curious if anyone really knows what these girls can pull a week?
I heard 1500-2500 a week! From a cutie,can that be true?[/QUOTE]
Top girls can still pull in $15k-$20k+ per month.
[QUOTE=Daddy00]Just curious if anyone really knows what these girls can pull a week?
I heard 1500-2500 a week! From a cutie,can that be true?[/QUOTE]Could be; will ask over the weekend and report. Guessing range from $4K - 12K p/month because of variables. Some BGs lucky if they can clear $C per night, IMO.
[QUOTE=Daddy00]Just curious if anyone really knows what these girls can pull a week?
I heard 1500-2500 a week! From a cutie,can that be true?[/QUOTE]
Local girl working in SB as a waitress/hostess about $1000 / week.
Local girl working as a stripper at Electros $1500 / week
Local girl working as a stripper Keeaumoku $2000 / week
KBG/VBG w/o sugar daddy about $1800 - $2000 / week
KBG/VBG w/sugar daddy about $3000 - $3500 / week
[QUOTE=Thumperforq]Local girl working in SB as a waitress/hostess about $1000 / week.
Local girl working as a stripper at Electros $1500 / week
Local girl working as a stripper Keeaumoku $2000 / week
KBG/VBG w/o sugar daddy about $1800 - $2000 / week
KBG/VBG w/sugar daddy about $3000 - $3500 / week[/QUOTE]
How much do people pay a KBG a month to for several times a week of take out at there homes?
[QUOTE=John Ross]Top girls can still pull in $15k-$20k+ per month.[/QUOTE]
I think thats impossible with today standards(unless they have a sugar daddy, but that wouldn't be bar business). They would make roughly 3k a day to make that happen which is very hard even for the top girls today. Most of these girls weekly income will come on a thurs, fri, and sat and to make 3k on one of those nights will be a very good night for them. Haven't gone on a thurs for a while, but sat. have really slowed down. Anyway, I would estimate an average of 1.5k/wk. Top girls probably 3k/wk(maybe). Of course this all would depend upon where they work and how many days they work. Most work 6 days.
[QUOTE=Blade82]I think thats impossible with today standards(unless they have a sugar daddy, but that wouldn't be bar business). They would make roughly 3k a day to make that happen which is very hard even for the top girls today. Most of these girls weekly income will come on a thurs, fri, and sat and to make 3k on one of those nights will be a very good night for them. Haven't gone on a thurs for a while, but sat. have really slowed down. Anyway, I would estimate an average of 1.5k/wk. Top girls probably 3k/wk(maybe). Of course this all would depend upon where they work and how many days they work. Most work 6 days.[/QUOTE]
The hustlers work roughly 6 or 7 days a week. The estimates I put up were actually what some of the bar owners were telling me on the top girls. I was kind of shocked as the economy is slow, but hey, they go to the room and get guys to think with their dick and the bottles of champagne some rolling in. If they really got the guy wrapped around their finger, it'll be bottles of Dom or Cristal.
[QUOTE=John Ross]The hustlers work roughly 6 or 7 days a week. The estimates I put up were actually what some of the bar owners were telling me on the top girls. I was kind of shocked as the economy is slow, but hey, they go to the room and get guys to think with their dick and the bottles of champagne some rolling in. If they really got the guy wrapped around their finger, it'll be bottles of Dom or Cristal.[/QUOTE]
I've seen trayfuls (one after another) of shots going to the room. I estimate about 20 shotglasses. If each shot were $20, each 'batch' would be $400 worth. That girl made more money with one tray than many girls do all night.
Like JR says, it's the hustlers. Some girls are pissed that the money isn't falling in their lap like they were led to believe. The word they hear boils down to, "Come to Honolulu, you can make money." They don't realize the effort and finesse involved.
What I once told a girl who grumbled to me was that you get out what you put into this job. Be a go-getter, learn how to 'read' people, fill that need. Some girls know how to approach guys, do 'cold sales calls', provide a fun environment and make the customer Want to come back specifically for her. If you only sit around, or treat the guy like an ATM, that's all you're gonna get.
It really got her thinking; she just had no idea. If they really apply themselves, they can make the kind of dollars JR listed, but yes "Results Not Typical" and in this economy there would be fewer girls this successful compared to when times were better.
Just IMHO.
H M
A few years ago, I was going out with one of those hustlers and she told me we can't go home until she makes $500 a day. So I just went barhopping with the guys and she'd call when she made the money and I'd pick her up. Some days she would tell me she'll come home later as some customer was buying bottles of champagne for her. I think the most she made in a regular day was something like $4k. Birthdays were something else as customers would be popping bottles all night long. She was messed up for the next couple days, but the money she made was mind boggling.
Went to Kools the other day and sat with Sue (mochi maker) in the booths. Bought her 4 drinks and got bbbjcim (no swallow). Returned the favor with fiv till I made her cum. Zipped up and was outta there. Btw, she did mention about the room, so fs is on the menu. All old ladies, but the price is right.
Is this Sue tall and thin or average build? This milf who told me her name was Sue but found out that she use to go by the name Michelle. This one is average build, not thin and approx mid fifties. Please describe the "Mochi Maker" as I am confused who is really who and who I am really sitting with. Thanks [QUOTE=Mogo Master]Went to Kools the other day and sat with Sue (mochi maker) in the booths. Bought her 4 drinks and got bbbjcim (no swallow). Returned the favor with fiv till I made her cum. Zipped up and was outta there. Btw, she did mention about the room, so fs is on the menu. All old ladies, but the price is right.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wn5912]Is this Sue tall and thin or average build? This MILF who told me her name was Sue but found out that she use to go by the name Michelle. This one is average build, not thin and approx mid fifties. Please describe the "Mochi Maker" as I am confused who is really who and who I am really sitting with. Thanks[/QUOTE]If you are correct then, she is married with a grown son. And yes old lady in her mid 50's.
[QUOTE=Thumperforq]Local girl working in SB as a waitress/hostess about $1000 / week.
Local girl working as a stripper at Electros $1500 / week
Local girl working as a stripper Keeaumoku $2000 / week
KBG/VBG w/o sugar daddy about $1800 - $2000 / week
KBG/VBG w/sugar daddy about $3000 - $3500 / week[/QUOTE]My ex girl friend worked 6 days a week, 12hr a day. Never had a bottle opened, but old retired man that spent $ 3/wk she made 8k a month and hardly ever had alcohol. Ice tea.
Went in to Cameltoes last night and sat with Jay. She is 35, looks good and seemed to have a great attitude. She wanted to go to the room for 300 and I asked her what was on the menu and she said fk and touching but no fs or bj. I just laughed and told her that I may be dumb, but I am not stupid.
Robb
[QUOTE=Robbaf]Went in to Cameltoes last night and sat with Jay. She is 35, looks good and seemed to have a great attitude. She wanted to go to the room for 300 and I asked her what was on the menu and she said fk and touching but no fs or bj. I just laughed and told her that I may be dumb, but I am not stupid.
Robb[/QUOTE]
Hehe, what was her reaction? Did she say this?
"Why not? 300 is a good deal for fk, others charge 400 for fk."
LoL
Crazy yah how some girls think a guy would go for that. I mean how do they expect most guys to react to that?
"300 for fk? Shoots! Let's go!"
Any word on which KBs will be participating? Not all may be willing to pay the fee; in excess of $2K for the package?
Additionally, a few KBGs remarked that sometimes they go home with 60 bucks during a 6 hr. work eve. Ton is made, they say, by getting as many dopes to believe that they have a chance to uff them as possible. A timeframe of approx. 2-4 weeks is what they calculate they have to extract as much as possible from the host. That's when they allow them to feel, eat, suck, and uff until the host gets tired or gives up. About 10%, they say, will continue to see them regularly (the stock needs constant replenishment).
No $ amounts mentioned in order to keep them talking. However, they do keep track of how much each host spends to determine what kind of action they're going to get.In other words, everything is calculated as well as personality, job status, income, etc.
If looking, I give them 2 weeks to uff or move on. Only money does the talking. Haha.
[QUOTE=Aflack]Any word on which KBs will be participating? Not all may be willing to pay the fee; in excess of $2K for the package?
Additionally, a few KBGs remarked that sometimes they go home with 60 bucks during a 6 hr. Work eve. Ton is made, they say, by getting as many dopes to believe that they have a chance to uff them as possible. A timeframe of approx. 2-4 weeks is what they calculate they have to extract as much as possible from the host. That's when they allow them to feel, eat, suck, and uff until the host gets tired or gives up. About 10%, they say, will continue to see them regularly (the stock needs constant replenishment).
No $ amounts mentioned in order to keep them talking. However, they do keep track of how much each host spends to determine what kind of action they're going to get.
In other words, everything is calculated as well as personality, job status, est.
Income, etc. If looking, I give them 2 weeks for uff or move on. Only money does the talking. Haha.[/QUOTE]Hmmm true there are some good guys and some good KBG. I think the bars have a catch 22 They have to pay for the PPV To get customer to come in. If not then the customer will not come in. Right now its so slow they have to pay for it even if they don't want. Right now the ball is in ours favor before all these years it was always in the Korean bar favor.
Low=$25-30K; average=50K; high=75-80K. Numbers in current economy and are averages from actual tax return figures submitted to preparer from KBGs. Numbers already adjusted for fraud. Reliable sources.
Comments welcome.
I think most kb's will show the football games. They would be dumb not to.
Jackie at Club Asia didn't show the football games the past couple of years. I walked past the bar during football games, nobody was in it.
Yeah, I know they raised the price for the PPV games but the bars that don't pay the extortion prices (lol) will lose even more by not having any customers.
How much the kbg's make depends on the girls. The cuter younger ones make more, the ones who play make much more, that's why some of the girls at evergreen make real good money. Some of the more popular older girls make pretty good money, they always seem to be busy with customers.
IMHO, many of the girls at the slower bars like butterfly and new casino probably don't make that much. The bars like cleopatra, eve's and sasha's place I would be surprised if the average salary for all the girls are over 20K a year.
Strippers same thing, many of the girls don't make much anymore, even at electros, while they might be able to make some big bucks once and a while I think on average they aren't making as much as they did 5 to 10 years ago. Some (larger) girls at electros I don't even see guys tipping them and I certainly don't see anyone sitting with them or buying them drinks.
I was at maya's the other night and saw some new girls working. Some guys think they were working at splash and moved to maya's. Saw Maya working, she isn't going anywhere right now and was on vacation.
Also saw 3 new girls at d'amour, only problem is that 2 of them don't speak a lick of english, total waste of time IMHO as no play available. Another girl coming in shortly but I doubt she would speak much english also.
Asia has reopened as a kb. I don't know who the mama is or what the new name is yet, they still have the asia name on it. I saw jackie (asia mama) and some viet girls working so maybe she is just leasing the bar out for now. Wish she would just go away, she was one of the worst bars for us locals, no personality and not very friendly to locals.
Eve's might be changing also, maybe a new mama? From splash? I keep hearing rumors but there weren't many girls at Eve's working lately.
[QUOTE=Wn5912]Is this Sue tall and thin or average build? This milf who told me her name was Sue but found out that she use to go by the name Michelle. This one is average build, not thin and approx mid fifties. Please describe the "Mochi Maker" as I am confused who is really who and who I am really sitting with. Thanks[/QUOTE]
Sue (Sujin?) (mochi) is kind of on the taller side. Thin, big hands, usually has her hair up in a pony tail. Hard to say age since they're all older there.
Stopped by 1st Time to watch the football game yesterday. I seen Annie from Carnival sitting with a guy in the private booths along the back wall by the bathroom. After she was "done" with her customer, she came to say hello. She said she was working @ Crystal Palace, but felt more comftable in Kalihi, so she came to 1st Time. Felt her soft titties and told her I will return to converse orally with her.
[QUOTE=Mogo Master]Stopped by 1st Time to watch the football game yesterday. I seen Annie from Carnival sitting with a guy in the private booths along the back wall by the bathroom. After she was "done" with her customer, she came to say hello. She said she was working @ Crystal Palace, but felt more comftable in Kalihi, so she came to 1st Time. Felt her soft titties and told her I will return to converse orally with her.[/QUOTE]Yea 1st time is changing mama.
The owner of Naked Sushi sent this to me i guess it's now turning in to a strip club.
Club Business
[QUOTE=Member 69]I was at maya's the other night and saw some new girls working. Some guys think they were working at splash and moved to maya's. Saw Maya working, she isn't going anywhere right now and was on vacation.
Also saw 3 new girls at d'amour, only problem is that 2 of them don't speak a lick of english, total waste of time IMHO as no play available. Another girl coming in shortly but I doubt she would speak much english also.
Asia has reopened as a kb. I don't know who the mama is or what the new name is yet, they still have the asia name on it. I saw jackie (asia mama) and some viet girls working so maybe she is just leasing the bar out for now. Wish she would just go away, she was one of the worst bars for us locals, no personality and not very friendly to locals.
Eve's might be changing also, maybe a new mama? From splash? I keep hearing rumors but there weren't many girls at Eve's working lately.[/QUOTE]Eve is leasing her bar to Paula from Splash.
Eve is going to be manager at Casino what I heard. And Cindy not sure from where is going to take over Asia and its going to be a KB.
Also heard from Smitty's. 3 bars are changing in Kalihi side. 1st time, One way lounge, and Islander.
[QUOTE=Tony The Tiger]The owner of Naked Sushi sent this to me i guess it's now turning in to a strip club.
Club Business[/QUOTE]
Not good mispelling "International," but it's a nice place. Let's see if it works out. 939 cannot be happy.
[QUOTE=Gargoyles69]Yea 1st time is changing mama.[/QUOTE]
Saw Jun Mama tonight at Splash. She said girls from 1st Time who worked for her when it was Cheers Station are moving to Splash next week.
I guess Jun Mama needs girls if some of the Splash girls are going to Eve. [QUOTE=Kalani69]Saw Jun Mama tonight at Splash. She said girls from 1st Time who worked for her when it was Cheers Station are moving to Splash next week.[/QUOTE]
Is Eve's last night on Saturday? For what it's worth, but I heard from a somewhat reliable source that all drinks will be free on her last night. Can anyone confirm this?
[QUOTE=Kalani69]Saw Jun Mama tonight at Splash. She said girls from 1st Time who worked for her when it was Cheers Station are moving to Splash next week.[/QUOTE]
Too bad its the same every where. Slow.
This Sat. @ Eve all drinks and food gratis. Eve moving to NCasino; Splash part-owner to Eve. Info deemed reliable as of Mon., 08/09. It's not June who's moving and word is that the rebel Splash KBGs will be @ Eve in force; they expect something (nekos) for the freebies, as expected.
[QUOTE=Gargoyles69]Yea 1st time is changing mama.[/QUOTE]Any word as to who might be taking over? I sometimes go there just to drink with friends and sing some karaoke. Hopefully the scenery doesn't get any worse.
[QUOTE=Mogo Master]Is Eve's last night on Saturday? For what it's worth, but I heard from a somewhat reliable source that all drinks will be free on her last night. Can anyone confirm this?[/QUOTE]
Don't know about the free drinks, but she will be partnering with Julie Momma at New Casino.
[QUOTE=Gargoyles69]Eve is leasing her bar to Paula from Splash.
Eve is going to be manager at Casino what I heard. And Cindy not sure from where is going to take over Asia and its going to be a KB.
Also heard from Smitty's. 3 bars are changing in Kalihi side. 1st time, One way lounge, and Islander.[/QUOTE]
Asia name has changed to "Pharoah" SP?. CIndy is the new mama, she came from New Casino. Cindy had a big falling out with Julie mama at New Casino. Eve was also seen at Club Butterfly talking to TC mama, guess she decided to move to New Casino. Also heard that Maya might also be seeking new venue, since her lease will be up in a couple of months.
[QUOTE=Warriors808]Asia name has changed to "Pharoah" SP?. CIndy is the new mama, she came from New Casino. Cindy had a big falling out with Julie mama at New Casino. Eve was also seen at Club Butterfly talking to TC mama, guess she decided to move to New Casino. Also heard that Maya might also be seeking new venue, since her lease will be up in a couple of months.[/QUOTE]I hear Cindi still waiting on her license to transfer before she can officially take over.
I hear Coco from Cameltoes is moving into a new business, so to be announced.
I am personally tired of the merry-go-round of bars, bar names, bar girls and mamas. Since you really can't create a new bar from the ground up due to Liquor Commish and limited number or permits/licenses I propose this:
One of the Mama's (the one with the most $ or biggest investors) should take over the biggest and best spot. Then go around and pick up the best few girls from each of the existing bars. Pay them more or give them a higher split. Create an all-star team if you will. Make them the New York Yankees of KBs. Yeah the Steinbrenners pay more money than the cellar dwellers. However they have more championships and more bottom line $$$ at the end of the day. You gotta spend $ to make $. It will only get bigger and better. People want to go see the Yankees play. The Pirates, Orioles and Royals are train wrecks and you can't pay people to watch them play.
This is a win-win-win-win situation:
1. Win for the Mama who will rake in big bucks.
2. Win for the girls working there.
3. Win as there will an all star line-up in one place at one time. No more wasted gas, time and money bar hopping.
4. Win because the 2nd tier KBs/KBGs (the minor league scrubs) will be desperate and will play for less and try hard as they will have hopes of making it to the big leagues one day.
Just a thought. One can dream, yeah?
[QUOTE=Captaincookie]Any word as to who might be taking over? I sometimes go there just to drink with friends and sing some karaoke. Hopefully the scenery doesn't get any worse.[/QUOTE]Sandy, will be taking over sept.1, she used to be mama of Perfect Club which is now CK, shes a nice lady.
[QUOTE=Tsunami69]I am personally tired of the merry-go-round of bars, bar names, bar girls and mamas. Just a thought...One can dream, yeah?[/QUOTE]Nice dreams. However, the bad juju and greed of a KBG is so strong that it would be impossible for them to coexist. Additionally, they are destructive, crude, and insensitive egomaniacs who eventually destroy themselves.