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[QUOTE=EggPoacher88;5318431]What is funny about what you said is that every escort that I have seen except for my first has required for me to give her the money up front. If you are saying that most of the current escorts are conning us I fully agree. The first escort I seen allowed me to put the money on the dresser as we spent time together and did not count the money until the end.[/QUOTE]If you are seeing only escorts that want money up front, you are obviously seeing the wrong escorts. You are, in effect, a self-fulfilling prophecy. Stop seeing them. I have seen a number escorts over the years but have always refused to pay anything upfront. I have been very picky and very careful in my choices. The forums have been very helpful with that. You very well might be right that currently, most of the providers out there are attempting to con or scamming a lot. Bottom line is, especially with all the cons and scammers, I have learned to only think with my big head. This is why I am concentrating on SA at the moment (the lack of decent SWs in Waterbury is also a factor). It sucks that the game has changed so much and makes things so hard.

Be careful out there.

Blue.

[QUOTE=Woody50;5318481]I'm not so sure about that. Me too is more about rape and consent, not sex work. I personally know a few very strong feminists who are all about full consent sex work.

I see this more as a response to the thinking that all sex workers are pimped, trafficked, or forced into the trade. We'd be lying to ourselves if we said some women aren't there by choice. Sometimes that force involves addiction or violence, and the person in control uses it for profit. The enforcement change makes it easier for those providers to escape and seek help.

Of course, most here know there are plenty of sex workers who are independent and working willingly, some even enjoy the work. We also know they tend to not be the girls doing $40 QVs all day out of a bottom end Notel. I think the key is to continue to seek out the honest providers, share info, and avoid the situations that are now more becoming even more dangerous to the customer.

In areas not prosecuting providers, seeing unstable crack and smack heads just got more risky, yet the honest providers now have a bit of safety. Ethnic massage parlors, or services who are using providers who work willingly and are not trafficked, may get more fun, as well as possibly require more I'd of customers.

I've been to places in Europe who use similar legal methods around sex work and unlicensed massage, and it can increase the customer fun and keep dependable providers safer. In my experience, it does not make it open season or bring it out into the open like Amsterdam or the Nevada ranches.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, The Metoo movement is pushed by the left to give women the power to destroy men just like the decriminalization of prostitution is so yes that's how these two left wing subjects are related. So my question to you is, when are men going to March for our rights to be men and like what we like just like feminists do?

Right again. Metoo has famously left out sex workers. Or at the very least, Tarana Burke has not come out and connected the two explicitly although others have made the push. In any case, I did not mean that this was a Metoo thing in the sense that it was on their to do list, I meant more so in spirit. Whenever social movements like this happen they will often have sweeping effects. Justice tends to be trendy. The implicit reasoning behind this new policy is that most women in this racket don't have a choice. It must be, because if they felt like these women were fully aware of what they were doing, they'd prosecute them. So letting them off the hook while prosecuting their clients gives the girls more power and less accountability. In my opinion, that's directly in line with the spirit of Metoo. Everybody wants to be able to blame this or that person for their condition without taking into account their own choices. The majority of these Metoo stories are not actual, most of them sound like the Louis ck one or aziz ansari. Guy pulls out his junk and somehow its his fault that you stayed in the room. As I said before, justice follows trends. In this current trend, sparked by Metoo, women have zero accountability for their own actions and men will be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Mutually assured destruction was our greatest defense before in this game, if a chick called the cops she would be in as much trouble or more if she had priors. Now if a prostitute feels uncomfortable or regrets the deed before during or after, or wants to stop before delivering service and you disagree, that 911 is on speed dial. I don't know if that's how*this thing is going to play out but that's certainly more of a possibility now and I wouldn't put anything past some of these women, junky or otherwise. So, as you said before, be careful. As far as I'm concerned the law still hates johns.

[QUOTE=EggPoacher88;5318431]What is funny about what you said is that every escort that I have seen except for my first has required for me to give her the money up front. If you are saying that most of the current escorts are conning us I fully agree. The first escort I seen allowed me to put the money on the dresser as we spent time together and did not count the money until the end.[/QUOTE]The scams we refer to are the STG ads which are looking to get electronic advance payment using a cash app. Pay that way and kiss it goodbye.

Seeing someone in person and paying before or after the deed is different altogether. That can turn into a rip off but in a different way, in person. The guys paying upfront with a cash app is why we're seeing so many fake ads on STG.

[QUOTE=BlueFox141;5319035]If you are seeing only escorts that want money up front, you are obviously seeing the wrong escorts. You are, in effect, a self-fulfilling prophecy. Stop seeing them. I have seen a number escorts over the years but have always refused to pay anything upfront. I have been very picky and very careful in my choices. The forums have been very helpful with that. You very well might be right that currently, most of the providers out there are attempting to con or scamming a lot. Bottom line is, especially with all the cons and scammers, I have learned to only think with my big head. This is why I am concentrating on SA at the moment (the lack of decent SWs in Waterbury is also a factor). It sucks that the game has changed so much and makes things so hard.

Be careful out there.

Blue.[/QUOTE]You know I probably got away with not paying the first provider that I seen because I was assertive.

Apologies, my response was to Woody50. Nothing against you Eggpoacher88 but I'm not really a very political person. I can't really say which side is using which methods to achieve whatever ends. I don't see things in binary, as in left or right. What's clear is the effect that social movements have on policies and laws, and then the effect that these new laws have on the psychology of the people. No offense, but I think if I ever joined in a "March to be a man", that's the moment I would cease to be a man. One woman standing up for her right to not be harassed is not a political issue its a moral one. When 10 other women cook up stories to get a settlement, that's called lying and extortion. But lying and extortion are also not political issues, they are moral ones. Plenty of people lie. Its only when people on either side of the political spectrum say things like "only leftists lie" or "only people on the right extort" that these moral issues become political ones.

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No, only on fight threads, yes you were correct, but you forget who wrote, passed and signed Fosta/Sesta both sides of the aisle are responsible for the anti prostitution laws in the US.

Keep that red/blue nonsense on the fight threads.

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Not to be Captain Obvious this message is mostly for the newer guys coming on board here as well as some of the old guard who think their invincible.

Do not give any info to a working girl. None.

Do not use your phone or e-mail account, face book, insta-whatever. None.

Have either a burner phone or an app not connected with you at all!

You may have banged 50 women this year and have had no issue -BUT- It only takes one bad "one" to ruin your life.

At least 50% of the ads are scams. Of the scam ads some are men / women trolling solely for info just to be able to black male you. They will out you to your wife, family or work place without regard to destruction caused. They are after money and care not one whit how it is acquired.

Have you noticed all the new ads on STG, with new decent looking girls. The ads are getting smarter more sophisticated. They are listing Connecticut as a location and upgrading their approach. Be smart not cheap. Be wary of bad neighborhoods and houses. Even hotels. No lock on the door or a gf in the bathroom do not stay! Look in the bathroom, yes be nosy open the door. Trust your instincts, not your hard dick.

Trust, genteelness, caring and understanding are gone from the hobby. We are not dealing with $1000 an hour call girls here. We are dealing with the low end of the female spectrum. Now for full disclosure not all women are bad or scammers. Unfortunately enough are that you should not trust any of them!

You have been warned. Live Laugh Love just do it safely!

Poo.

[QUOTE=BlueFox141;5319035]If you are seeing only escorts that want money up front, you are obviously seeing the wrong escorts. You are, in effect, a self-fulfilling prophecy. Stop seeing them. I have seen a number escorts over the years but have always refused to pay anything upfront. I have been very picky and very careful in my choices. The forums have been very helpful with that. You very well might be right that currently, most of the providers out there are attempting to con or scamming a lot. Bottom line is, especially with all the cons and scammers, I have learned to only think with my big head. This is why I am concentrating on SA at the moment (the lack of decent SWs in Waterbury is also a factor). It sucks that the game has changed so much and makes things so hard.

Be careful out there.

Blue.[/QUOTE]Interesting topic from which I actually make my selection. First off I only got scammed by the ones who asked for the money up front. The stash is gone from the table in less than 60 secs with out you even noticing it. Big warning flag! I never volunteer money upfront anymore. That being out of the way, lets pick appart the scenarios.

If it is a first time, I can understand the lady wanting to see the good before starting. So the good are left on the dresser UNTOUCHED or showing you have it, only upon her request and a discussion about leaving it there, is the only reasonable way to deal with that. After a first contact I only get regular with the one who don't ask. They know I am straight with that and they have a 6th sense about it. It also create a more casual date.

Many never ask on the first date. One told me she can figure who will be an issue or not just thru the initial texting. The best dates is when the deal was made on text and then the donation not spoken of again during the date. I do that thing at the end. Most don't even count. That is a build of trust I am looking for being someone frequent flyer.

It came to a point where I sometimes left it first because I happened to forget about it at the end. Most deals are $ or $$ for H. I never go over. That is what an MD dental specialist charges as average per hour for a root canal.

[QUOTE=ILoveThatPoo;5319897]Not to be Captain Obvious this message is mostly for the newer guys coming on board here as well as some of the old guard who think their invincible.

Do not give any info to a working girl. None.

Do not use your phone or e-mail account, face book, insta-whatever. None.

Have either a burner phone or an app not connected with you at all!

You may have banged 50 women this year and have had no issue -BUT- It only takes one bad "one" to ruin your life.

At least 50% of the ads are scams. Of the scam ads some are men / women trolling solely for info just to be able to black male you. They will out you to your wife, family or work place without regard to destruction caused. They are after money and care not one whit how it is acquired.

Have you noticed all the new ads on STG, with new decent looking girls. The ads are getting smarter more sophisticated. They are listing Connecticut as a location and upgrading their approach. Be smart not cheap. Be wary of bad neighborhoods and houses. Even hotels. No lock on the door or a gf in the bathroom do not stay! Look in the bathroom, yes be nosy open the door. Trust your instincts, not your hard dick.

Trust, genteelness, caring and understanding are gone from the hobby. We are not dealing with $1000 an hour call girls here. We are dealing with the low end of the female spectrum. Now for full disclosure not all women are bad or scammers. Unfortunately enough are that you should not trust any of them!

You have been warned. Live Laugh Love just do it safely!

Poo.[/QUOTE]It may be obvious to most long time seniors, but it's good to post things like this from time to time as a reminder. As usual Poo, you are spot on.

Be careful out there, gentlemen.

Blue.

[QUOTE=SergeG;5320014]Interesting topic from which I actually make my selection. First off I only got scammed by the ones who asked for the money up front. The stash is gone from the table in less than 60 secs with out you even noticing it. Big warning flag! I never volunteer money upfront anymore. That being out of the way, lets pick appart the scenarios.

If it is a first time, I can understand the lady wanting to see the good before starting. So the good are left on the dresser UNTOUCHED or showing you have it, only upon her request and a discussion about leaving it there, is the only reasonable way to deal with that. After a first contact I only get regular with the one who don't ask. They know I am straight with that and they have a 6th sense about it. It also create a more casual date.

Many never ask on the first date. One told me she can figure who will be an issue or not just thru the initial texting. The best dates is when the deal was made on text and then the donation not spoken of again during the date. I do that thing at the end. Most don't even count. That is a build of trust I am looking for being someone frequent flyer.

It came to a point where I sometimes left it first because I happened to forget about it at the end. Most deals are $ or $$ for H. I never go over. That is what an MD dental specialist charges as average per hour for a root canal.[/QUOTE]As BMD points out to keep in mind, that most of STG scammers are looking for a cash app prepay and that should never be done! Many of my experiences have been lie yours, Serge. Money on the dresser AFTER YOU BOTH ARE NAKED is a matter of how comfortable a read I get from the provider. Sometimes, I walk because some things just feel off. There have been times when the lady has been a sweetheart and I get good vibes, and I will do it because she says she would feel better the first time, so I do. I have never had one of those mention the money on subsequent visits. I have never been burnt, but maybe I'm lucky. I am super careful, and super picky. I rely a lot on reviews here.

Blue.

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[QUOTE=PutNamAnthony;5325449][URL]https://nypost.com/2021/04/28/durex-condom-sales-are-surging-as-covid-19-restrictions-ease/[/URL][/QUOTE]Yet another COVID-related shortage coming? Pun intended.

The standard pink AMP rubber is way too tight and ruins it for me and I have to keep my own hidden in the car. Another hobby discovery risk.

If we could just get the AMPs to stock rubbers that actually fit and did not choke the chicken too much.

[QUOTE=BlueFox141;5320405]As BMD points out to keep in mind, that most of STG scammers are looking for a cash app prepay and that should never be done! Many of my experiences have been lie yours, Serge. Money on the dresser AFTER YOU BOTH ARE NAKED is a matter of how comfortable a read I get from the provider. Sometimes, I walk because some things just feel off. There have been times when the lady has been a sweetheart and I get good vibes, and I will do it because she says she would feel better the first time, so I do. I have never had one of those mention the money on subsequent visits. I have never been burnt, but maybe I'm lucky. I am super careful, and super picky. I rely a lot on reviews here.

Blue.[/QUOTE]We are in the same boat procedurally.

I never get into a position where I'm butt naked first and in bed waiting for her to lose her clothes or come out of the bathroom. You can also show the funds then afterwards drop it where she wants it.

[QUOTE=BigMacDaddy;5327391]We are in the same boat procedurally.

I never get into a position where I'm butt naked first and in bed waiting for her to lose her clothes or come out of the bathroom. You can also show the funds then afterwards drop it where she wants it.[/QUOTE]Yes, that works. She doesn't get the money while she is able to walk out the door with it.

Blue.