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[QUOTE=Zauber;1754110]The more information the better. That's the purpose of this site after all.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Monaco has always been very good about providing good info.
That said, how much longer until Jen's is shut down for good? Fucking Hell, that place is circling the drain.
Sorry you had to experience that with Ivy. Guess I should have been more clear in my post of her. I said in post 1836 she was an all-in kind of girl but I should have added you will have to pay fairly well for it. I have had her pull that "you have to pay for the songs also shit" before and I tell her up front it will be $20 fper dance plus my tip. My tip will be dependent on how I believe the service was. She is a B. S. Wheeler / dealer.
I endorse the Lucky8 approach here. Contrary to the advice of many, I NEVER negotiate the price of any service (outside of the standard private lapdance) up front. This is because paying for sex is illegal, so presumably negotiating the price one might pay for sex is also illegal, or at least close enough. I make sure that we have made clear the standard price of a VIP dance in the establishment (some of the Jen's dancers will claim their dances cost $25 a song because they are "better", but I point out that this is higher than what is standard for the club, so I won't pay it, and break off conversation at that point.) Once I have ascertained the per song fee, I note that I often tip extra for particularly good dances. When a dancer goes beyond the normal call of duty, I then tell her "I know it was only two songs, but it seemed as good as four to me" or some variation on that, depending on how far beyond the normal call of duty she went. Thus I am just tipping for excellent service, not for any particular sexual act. I've found that this works very well. Occasionally I'll fall for a girl that just does standard lap dances as a result of this method, but I generally figure that out by the end of the first song, thank her for the one dance, and call it quits at that point. I love to haggle when I'm buying a car, but not when I'm buying "adult entertainment."
[QUOTE=Lucky8;1754529]Sorry you had to experience that with Ivy. Guess I should have been more clear in my post of her. I said in post 1836 she was an all-in kind of girl but I should have added you will have to pay fairly well for it. I have had her pull that "you have to pay for the songs also shit" before and I tell her up front it will be $20 fper dance plus my tip. My tip will be dependent on how I believe the service was. She is a B. S. Wheeler / dealer.[/QUOTE]
Lots of bruising on top of wrists. Likely the reason for the behaviors discussed in earlier posts. Play safe.
[QUOTE=Monaco GP;1755212]Lots of bruising on top of wrists.[/QUOTE]What does that mean?
[QUOTE=Kintaro II;1755347]What does that mean?[/QUOTE]Most likely the injection sites for an IV drug user
[QUOTE=Archie Pitcar;1754721]I endorse the Lucky8 approach here. Contrary to the advice of many, I NEVER negotiate the price of any service (outside of the standard private lapdance) up front. This is because paying for sex is illegal, so presumably negotiating the price one might pay for sex is also illegal, or at least close enough. I make sure that we have made clear the standard price of a VIP dance in the establishment (some of the Jen's dancers will claim their dances cost $25 a song because they are "better", but I point out that this is higher than what is standard for the club, so I won't pay it, and break off conversation at that point.) Once I have ascertained the per song fee, I note that I often tip extra for particularly good dances. When a dancer goes beyond the normal call of duty, I then tell her "I know it was only two songs, but it seemed as good as four to me" or some variation on that, depending on how far beyond the normal call of duty she went. Thus I am just tipping for excellent service, not for any particular sexual act. I've found that this works very well. Occasionally I'll fall for a girl that just does standard lap dances as a result of this method, but I generally figure that out by the end of the first song, thank her for the one dance, and call it quits at that point. I love to haggle when I'm buying a car, but not when I'm buying "adult entertainment."[/QUOTE]But frankly, that's too much work for me. I know it's illegal to negotiate sex for money, but in this case the risk to me is nearly zero. I know with 100% certainty that I'm not dealing with LEO, because I'm getting a lap dance at the bar first. I discreetly negotiate at the bar and avoid eavesdroppers. I would rather set the expectations of both parties before taking a flyer on the unknown, or ever-changing demands of the dancer.
I have tons of experience dealing with bar girls and street girls in Tijuana, so coming through the front door with a list of my menu items and what I'm willing to pay for them is second nature to me.
The real risk is LEO barging through the oft-open front door and making a quick right to look at what's going on behind the curtain.
Thanks again for offering up your method of operation. I learned a few things.
Tonto
[QUOTE=Kintaro II;1754284]That said, how much longer until Jen's is shut down for good? Fucking Hell, that place is circling the drain.[/QUOTE]Cy would just open 1245 more hours and most of the girls move around the corner and the fun continues. Of course the problems follow the girls so it's all the same with a new address.
I don't have to play safe with her again. I will never allow her to dance for me again. I know she does in club FS as well as out of club too That is what I reported just for readers info but I also know now what she is like and I won't deal with her again nor should anyone else. Especially since someone intimated her H use on here. If no one allows her to dance for them she will ease up and be more honest. Either way, after reading the H comment and her bruising, I won't allow her to dance for me ever again anyway. Think about it guys. Those that continue to support her and her habit will continue to get screwed. (Financially I mean!)
Lucky8
[QUOTE=Tonto Monger;1755380]Most likely the injection sites for an IV drug user[/QUOTE]Thanks, and thanks to the fellas who PM'd me.
I thought marks around the wrists meant she was suicidal, and that she was cutting herself.
As you can see, I don't know shit about drugs, users, junkies, or any of that. It still amazes me that so many girls are into the hard stuff.
While brusing around the wrist and above can certainly mean needle marks, don't think that is the only area they shoot up. I know a girl that shot-up between her toes and you never saw the marks. Also below the wrist is a possible site right in the top or back of the hand although that area does show up quickly because of less fatty tissue and the area will almost always swell after numerous shots. So beware!
[QUOTE=Kintaro II; 1755589]Thanks, and thanks to the fellas who PM'd me.
I thought marks around the wrists meant she was suicidal, and that she was cutting herself.
As you can see, I don't know shit about drugs, users, junkies, or any of that. It still amazes me that so many girls are into the hard stuff.[/QUOTE]
Not sure why the the title shows "AMP" in it. I did not type anything to do with AMP's it just appeared in the title.
[QUOTE=Lucky8;1755624]While brusing around the wrist and above can certainly mean needle marks, don't think that is the only area they shoot up. I know a girl that shot-up between her toes and you never saw the marks. Also below the wrist is a possible site right in the top or back of the hand although that area does show up quickly because of less fatty tissue and the area will almost always swell after numerous shots. So beware![/QUOTE]
Its messed up. When you use the ampersand (and) sign it puts the sign then AMP next to it. I was confused too. Normal folks would see it that way instead of associating it with an asian massage parlor. Kind of like when they hear 3 way they think of a light bulb.
[QUOTE=Lucky8; 1756030]Not sure why the the title shows "AMP" in it. I did not type anything to do with AMP's it just appeared in the title.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info. I will write out the word "and" next time rather than using the symbol.
[QUOTE=DiverMike91;1756217]Its messed up. When you use the ampersand (and) sign it puts the sign then AMP next to it. I was confused too. Normal folks would see it that way instead of associating it with an asian massage parlor. Kind of like when they hear 3 way they think of a light bulb.[/QUOTE]
Can someone tell me what happened to Old Glory Daze? I came back to Akron for a visit and I find out it's no longer a bar. Anyone know where the girls went? Also, since I need to find a new club. Can anyone tell me what clubs are open in the daytime. The earlier the better! I can't go out too much at night! Thanks! I enjoyed the Glory Days girls. Esp the daytime bartender who had a baby last year. I can't think of her name at the moment. Wanting to say it was Mackensie. But not sure! Where does everyone go now in the daytime? I don't like the night time atmosphere too much anymore. A bit to thuglife for me at most spots, sadly.