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Been curious if anyone here has experience with this juicy looking mango. Almost bit the bullet once for a late night booking but she closed shop early so I ended up with MacBaby which ended up being a win in my book. Still thinking about it but lately I've been more cautious and want to rely on intel here more.
[QUOTE=PumpNDump;7432738]BookerM. New meat Fiona and Hanul.
Rokm. Ch /.[/QUOTE]Just a reference point for Hanul, the pictures are all fake. Since the bookers read these forums, I'll just say that when I asked, I was told they were "real" and photoshopped. Yeah, sure. Considering she's a BB special, 99% sure its a MILF. I'll wait and see if someone sees her or I might take the plunge next month.
Another LSC transplant. TER: 376257. Pics are fair. Nice rack made for manhandling. Decent bb value.
[QUOTE=Ghost626;7447229]Is this the same allie that started with m, then sexyfunkgirls and later move to Seattle?[/QUOTE]Not the same. OG Allie actually returned this past year and tried to upcharge 100 which is laughable. Not surprisingly her tour was short and no one talked about her.
By comparison, OG Nana tried the same shenanigans, but instead of skipping town like Allie, she pivoted by reducing her rate to 320+20 bb or 340 bb depending on who you book through.
[QUOTE=Headofthegame;7446325]4. Min (West LA / LA) TER?
Face: 8 - Natural gnd look. Milky skin. Resembles a cat.
Body: 7. 5 - Soft. Nice titties. Seen her skinny and when she's gained weight. Skinny body upgrade to 8.
BBBJ: 8 - Hand twist with sucking. Short licks of the boys. DT only for a few seconds in the beginning. Grunts when you're about to cum. CIM is great. 1 out 3 visits was toothy. Offers 2nd BBBJ pop but I can never get there. Still a great OG option.
Status: No booker site? Where is she?[/QUOTE]Not the areas you mentioned, but if this is the same Min looks like she is up in the bay.
[URL]https://www.gfeinvestments.ch/min/[/URL]
I'm looking for a Linda Lan type. Similar nipples and meat locker. Any recs? I've run the gambit of service queens and hya, looking for a unicorn, hoping it exists.
[QUOTE=HBforlife;7448001]I'm looking for a Linda Lan type. Similar nipples and meat locker. Any recs? I've run the gambit of service queens and hya, looking for a unicorn, hoping it exists.[/QUOTE]Yeah Linda Lan has everything I crave besides her face. Shelby at FA first asians has huge Arby strips and nice nips. I'd love to hear some recs as well.
[QUOTE=Headofthegame;7446325]Help me find (throat GOATS) if they're still around. Will travel anywhere from LA / OC / SD / Norcal / Las Vegas.[/QUOTE]Nice list. Get9 shows Lovely starts tomorrow in OC. Gia / OG Ara is currently available thru multiple orgs in SD. Both 340 bb.
What does CAKD Mali (SSG Nali) mean? Does Mali mean Nali?
Anyone know if Thea is a returning provider? I recognize the pictures but was wondering if it was the same girl.
[URL]https://bookergray.com/la/Thea/?sca=MW[/URL]
[QUOTE=Skyari69;7448131]What does CAKD Mali (SSG Nali) mean? Does Mali mean Nali?[/QUOTE]Thats just her new rebrand name bro. So people know who she was before.
[QUOTE=Skyari69;7448131]What does CAKD Mali (SSG Nali) mean? Does Mali mean Nali?[/QUOTE]
Nali is now [B]CAKD Mali[/B] at CAKD in OC. If you try to book Nali with CAKD they'll roll their eyes and book Mali for you. She used to work SSG, which makes her [B]SSG Nali[/B] in the past.
[B]Name changes[/B]
Nali is just one of her many names. In Fire Emblem when you reach 20th level, you transform into a new class, new name, better stats. In Pokemon, a Pikachu becomes a Raichu with better stats and a new name. When HYA turn into Dragons, the same thing happens. Nali is her [B]Dragon Name[/B].
[B]Dragon Name[/B]
Girls often take on a new name after [B]Dragon Ascension[/B]. It is the rare accelerated process of creating a HYA service queen. Nali was one of them, and obviously she did not start with MMs either (no woman is born with MMs btw). Thus, Nali is her Dragon Name. A similar process sometimes happens with HYA+ Ascension, when a budget HYA is so good she ends up rocketing to 600 / hr with a new name. Like Sana aka Jisoo aka Gyuri. HYA+.
[B]Dragon Ascension[/B]
Dragon Ascension is a thorough and difficult process with many failures. Many Dragons never undergo it but simply combine experience with occasional pointers in duos, so they end up as MILFs by the time they "turn Dragon". In order to have a HYA Service Queen, you therefore need an accelerated process known as Dragon Ascension.
HYA Service Queens are maybe only 1% of kgirls, because the raw ingredient first requires a veteran HYA who managed to survive long enough. It also requires the Mother of Dragons, a Queen Dragon sufficiently high level and willing. These conditions rarely line up.
It is possible for multiple Father Dragons to join in to help grow them. Only kindness and fun in bed will grow a potential Dragon, they feed on nothing else. This condition is a key failure point, and most HYA quit while only a few survive.
It is possible to accelerate the process further if you have willing Father Dragons to help. In fact at the critical stages if a Father Dragon offers himself up as true sacrifice, it is nearly guaranteed to succeed. Father Dragons are generally not willing to this however, and even a few are tricked into it. But the process works as long as every other condition is met. Otherwise, it is the long route for Dragon growth.
[B]Service Princesses[/B]
The alternative to HYA Service Queens are HYA Service Princesses who are 'actually not that bad'. Haven and Peach are a good example. To a HYA Hunter they are high service, but to a service hunter maybe not. That is the great divide.
Sometimes we will call these girls service queens only in the HYA thread. It means service queen "for HYA", and most people get it. If service hunters show up to complain, we can ask them if they are lost in the wrong thread.
Service Princesses can be trained more easily and don't require a Queen Dragon to birth. They require only Father Dragons, which are uncommon but not rare. Certain cities have more of them. But most of all, it is a matter of aptitude. Many Princesses have been stuck at C-Tier service for a whole year, I personally verified with my body. Whereas other Princesses jump a tier every week or month until reaching their natural maximum at A-Tier or S-Tier. Their progress is incredible.
Here is the problem with Service Princesses though. To a HYA Hunter like me, I consider them S-Tier service. A 'Balanced Hunter' who likes both HYA and Service Queens might be happy most of the time. But many 'Service Hunters' hate their service. And everybody loses when service hunters see HYA and get disappointed. Nobody is happy. It is summed up here:
[QUOTE=Download X;7442822][B]Why We All Need Service Queens[/B]
Only service queens can restore balance to looks versus service in LA. There are a lot of HYA and looks over service girls lately. Even though I like looks over service girls, I feel bad if there are too many. What will the service hunters do as their options dwindle? And what happens if no Mother of Dragons step up to spawn the next generation? We end up in a downward spiral on service. Trust me, you don't want HYA Hunters like me to do the training because the best we can do is "actually not bad" level.
I don't mind "actually not bad" service, but many guys hate it. Every one of you gets a vote on this. If you need high level service, support your local service queens.[/QUOTE]
It's not up to me, I'm just spelling out the options.
[B]Name Resolution[/B]
Names get re-used a lot and it causes a lot of confusion, so I resolve names with the agency or booker abbreviation in front. [B]CAKD Mali[/B] is [B]SSG Nali[/B] for example.
These confusions happen all the time and confuse intel. For example if someone said Nali used to be Daisy, then half the time the other person replies "You mean Celine / Daisy?" Celine / Daisy is a completely different unrelated girl. The conversation goes nowhere if you don't differentiate girls with similar names, and there is even a different half-Asian Daisy ("Latina" body) who is currently working right now. All of this confusion is solved if you just say [B]SBC Daisy[/B] (premium HYA) and [B]Daisy L aka Kai[/B] (half-Asian humongous ass). There is no ambiguity then.
Same thing with FA Isabella. She was the only Isabella at korgs, but then they added another Isabella in LA who was built like a brick. The two Isabellas simultaneously worked different cities and yet people couldn't figure out they were different girls. So from now on I try to say FA Isabella at least once so it's clear enough. What seems to happen is whenever a girl is well-reviewed, agencies simply copy that name and hope someone ends up seeing the wrong girl. [B]Name Resolution[/B] by agency prefix is the key to preventing that kind of shipwreck.
When Pokemon evolve, they no longer respond to their old names from past evolutions. In the same way, once Ascended a Dragon no longer recognizes her past names. There's no point in asking the girl, even if it's her.
Recently saw Mina. She is pretty, not ddg but would definitely turn my head if I saw her at a Korean market.
Service is mid. Way too sensitive for my liking. Had to go really gentle with daty and some dato. Bbbjdt but not much suction. She did try going all the way down and I could feel her throat which was nice. Her natural tits are very nice and her whole body is very soft to the touch which I enjoyed. Pussy feels tight enough with nice grip. Doesn't really want to do msog unless you initiate.
She's repeatable but prob not ATF material due to lack of service.
[QUOTE=SsStuntCock;7447480]Another LSC transplant. TER: 376257. Pics are fair. Nice rack made for manhandling. Decent bb value.[/QUOTE]Never mind. For whatever reason, she's in SD now through FEC.
I have seen both Min and Bay Min is not her.
[QUOTE=SteadyGlasses1;7447674]Not the areas you mentioned, but if this is the same Min looks like she is up in the bay.
[URL]https://www.gfeinvestments.ch/min/[/URL][/QUOTE]
The Boner suspects Thea is Mango. I doubted she's the girl BurntBoy was thinking of. Bookers may reuse fake pics these days. When I saw that pic, I thought why did she lower her rate?
[QUOTE=BurntBoy;7448156]Anyone know if Thea is a returning provider? I recognize the pictures but was wondering if it was the same girl.
[URL]https://bookergray.com/la/Thea/?sca=MW[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tguffin;7447365]Been curious if anyone here has experience with this juicy looking mango. Almost bit the bullet once for a late night booking but she closed shop early so I ended up with MacBaby which ended up being a win in my book. Still thinking about it but lately I've been more cautious and want to rely on intel here more.[/QUOTE]Pics look juicy indeed. She's been around for awhile. I heard the mango could be sweet or sour. YMMV.
I hope bros are not showing new bookers other girls address, room number, and such. I can already see how to get around the blacklist with bookers that accept this screening. I would just move on if there is an OC/LA Kbooker who still doesn't know The Boner. I am only six degrees of separation from boning a Kgirl.
[QUOTE=DownloadX;7446223]...
One option is to see who else KDC books, and if you have seen their girl in the past then show them your past booking. This is the most common way I've screened besides HX. KDC does have an HX account, but I don't know much they use it:
[URL]https://www.humaniplex.com/profiles/KgirlDream[/URL] [B]KDC on HX[/B]...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7448706]The Boner suspects Thea is Mango. I doubted she's the girl BurntBoy was thinking of. Bookers may reuse fake pics these days. When I saw that pic, I thought why did she lower her rate?
[/QUOTE]There are a lot of girls named Mango, but which one is she? Where / when was she last working?
BookerM. New meat Grace. Juicy back on menu.
Rokm. Ch /.
[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7448718]I hope bros are not showing new bookers other girls address, room number, and such. I can already see how to get around the blacklist with bookers that accept this screening. I would just move on if there is an OC/LA Kbooker who still doesn't know The Boner. I am only six degrees of separation from boning a Kgirl.[/QUOTE]
Yes, the gold standard is if you know the girl from another agency. She'll vouch for you. Or you see a shared girl and that screens you with the other booker. So for example if I see SKP girls repeatedly, Get9 can see I completed my appointments no problem. This then lets me see other OC girls that SKP doesn't host. I still see SKP girls, so they are not losing me and I would have seen the other girls anyways whichever booker was willing to do it. Within OC, many bookers are friendly enough to act as references. I don't know if that is exactly the case today, but it was no problem in the past. They understand OC has a lot of exclusives.
For those joining the "Let's drive to OC club", you can get great coverage with CAKD OC, Get9, and FirstAsians. You can even go straight to the host with SKP, KDC, and XOXO. SKP is the goto agency if you want bb special in OC.
[B]The Legend of Kora[/B]
There is a new disturbance in the force. The first $1K kgirl has now emerged East Coast. It is none other than [B]Kora[/B], Boner Approved. The legend continues..
Don't worry guys. I've deliberated this in detail and what it comes down to is Kora has no competition there. She loves to fuck, she is high looks and high service. She'd be a 600 premium kgirl here with 200 upcharge and fully booked for a while. Moreover, East Coast is rough and the higher price compensates for both the smaller customer pool and greater risk. If Kora came OC, she'd charge a little less here and it would be equivalent simply because it's safer and not as rough here. Cgirls already break $1K so it's nothing new.
If you simply love to read, I shared some comments on the development. It's mainly basic info trying to bring East Coast out of the stone ages on kgirl intel.
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?36689-Korean-Agency-and-Independent&p=7449147&viewfull=1#post7449147[/URL] The Legend of Kora
Also, here is a meta review I did on Kora for NYC 1 year ago. Also included is one fan's added commentary titled.. "Kora a good piece of fuck meat"
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?37254-Korean-Agency-and-Independent&p=7113789&viewfull=1#post7113789[/URL] Kora
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?37254-Korean-Agency-and-Independent&p=7113876&viewfull=1#post7113876[/URL] Kora
A year ago he was complaining about Kora being priced 500, so I can sympathize. Maybe he wishes he could pay 500 for her now, it is diabolical isn't it. I do want to make it clear, that major price increases are happening in every city and every country. Even Thailand prices have skyrocketed and the girls have GPS. So you have rich Thai men flying out to other countries for pussy. This is not a one-city or one-country thing. We are actually competing against other countries on pricing btw. I believe the only true tool we have is awareness and intel. Pass on the girls who aren't worth it, find the few superstars who are.
You could say that 380 to 450 hr is 'semi-premium', 500 to 600 is 'premium', and anything beyond 600 is 'ultra-premium'. There are many ultra-premium cgirls already, and you are really paying for the exclusivity and freshness. Yes they are HYA, but you are over-paying 25% to 50% for that exclusivity.
[QUOTE=DownloadX;7449361][B]The Legend of Kora[/B] There is a new disturbance in the force. The first $1K kgirl has now emerged East Coast.[/QUOTE]Cue scene from [I]Episode III[/I] when Yoda drops his gimer stick (that's canon BTW) to clutch his chest after order 66 has commenced.
[QUOTE=SsStuntCock;7449445]Cue scene from [I]Episode III[/I] when Yoda drops his gimer stick (that's canon BTW) to clutch his chest after order 66 has commenced.[/QUOTE]Are you sure it wasn't order 69?
[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7448706]The Boner suspects Thea is Mango. I doubted she's the girl BurntBoy was thinking of. Bookers may reuse fake pics these days. When I saw that pic, I thought why did she lower her rate?
Pics look juicy indeed. She's been around for awhile. I heard the mango could be sweet or sour. YMMV.[/QUOTE]Hmmm idt that's a risk I want to take. Personality is a big thing for me so I'd rather not risk it. The pics on Bookergray are nice as I like me a full bodied girl and those tits be lookin ripe. I'll look into Thea tho.
[QUOTE=DownloadX;7449361]Yes, the gold standard is if you know the girl from another agency. She'll vouch for you. Or you see a shared girl and that screens you with the other booker. So for example if I see SKP girls repeatedly, Get9 can see I completed my appointments no problem. This then lets me see other OC girls that SKP doesn't host. I still see SKP girls, so they are not losing me and I would have seen the other girls anyways whichever booker was willing to do it. Within OC, many bookers are friendly enough to act as references. I don't know if that is exactly the case today, but it was no problem in the past. They understand OC has a lot of exclusives.[/QUOTE]I'm in the group of people who think 450 HR is premium because my standards for what is attractive is subjectively different. I'm still new but 1 k is pretty wild and right around what "high-end" escorts / hot sugar babies are charging. She must have great skills to build up to that price point and the quality in service some of these reviews detail are quite something. I resisted the Angel booking because I don't want to risk her not vibing with me and end up with a disappointing experience for 6 bills hot face / bod or not. Still thinking about it tho LOL.
BTW what is GPS?
[QUOTE=HBforlife;7448001]I'm looking for a Linda Lan type. Similar nipples and meat locker. Any recs? I've run the gambit of service queens and hya, looking for a unicorn, hoping it exists.[/QUOTE]She is hot as fuck!
Kbliss Friday fun.
Aran Yami Maya Lucy playa vista. Kona oc.
[QUOTE=Headofthegame;7446325]Unlike other mongers, I have been in the game to search for the greatest K-girl or J-girl BBBJ / cim money can buy. I have dabbled through many fine ladies through the years who are exceptional, so-so, and disasters when it comes to this art. I wanted to list the ladies I've seen through the years with my grade on their BBBJ talents only in hopes that maybe you can help me find the next one that I can throw my retirement on. I wish I got into this hobby before I met my two ex wives. Would've been cheaper and less stressful.
Anyways, since everyone's taste is different I'll rank the girls including some tmi personal stats and maybe you can help me find the one before I ride off to Thailand soon. The list will be from best to worst based on BBBJ skills alone. Will add looks and short description of why she is ranked what she's ranked. Some girls are MIA or retired. Help me find them if they're still around.
Will travel anywhere from LA / OC / SD / Norcal / Las Vegas.[/QUOTE]Great list. I have seen about 1/2 on your list and your descriptions are spot on. Have you met Maya in PV? She gives a great DT BBBJ and loves to hang her head off the side of the bed as you face fuck her standing.
[QUOTE=DownloadX;7449361]Yes, the gold standard is if you know the girl from another agency. She'll vouch for you. Or you see a shared girl and that screens you with the other booker. So for example if I see SKP girls repeatedly, Get9 can see I completed my appointments no problem. This then lets me see other OC girls that SKP doesn't host. I still see SKP girls, so they are not losing me and I would have seen the other girls anyways whichever booker was willing to do it. Within OC, many bookers are friendly enough to act as references. I don't know if that is exactly the case today, but it was no problem in the past. They understand OC has a lot of exclusives.
For those joining the "Let's drive to OC club", you can get great coverage with CAKD OC, Get9, and FirstAsians. You can even go straight to the host with SKP, KDC, and XOXO. SKP is the goto agency if you want bb special in OC..[/QUOTE]Crazy, she was $370 when she was at KG.
[QUOTE=Tguffin;7449729]BTW what is GPS?[/QUOTE]Golden Pussy Syndrome. It's when a girl thinks her pussy is worth way more than it's worth.
[QUOTE=Tguffin;7449729]I'm in the group of people who think 450 HR is premium because my standards for what is attractive is subjectively different. I'm still new but 1 k is pretty wild and right around what "high-end" escorts / hot sugar babies are charging. She must have great skills to build up to that price point and the quality in service some of these reviews detail are quite something. I resisted the Angel booking because I don't want to risk her not vibing with me and end up with a disappointing experience for 6 bills hot face / bod or not. Still thinking about it tho LOL.
BTW what is GPS?[/QUOTE]Honestly bro, if you are decent looking (Good hygiene, fit, take care of yourself), I would recommend you to see angel. I'll be honest, looks go a long way. I had a different experience than what a lot of people had with her. Sure her service was basically bring your own service, but she was chill with me. If she stepped up her service game, she would wipe the floor with all these girls here even with her 800 rate.
BookerM. New meat Rewon and Joyce.
Rokm. Ch /.
[QUOTE=Stonkz;7450578]Honestly bro, if you are decent looking (Good hygiene, fit, take care of yourself), I would recommend you to see angel. I'll be honest, looks go a long way. I had a different experience than what a lot of people had with her. Sure her service was basically bring your own service, but she was chill with me. If she stepped up her service game, she would wipe the floor with all these girls here even with her 800 rate.[/QUOTE]Yeah, honestly speaking, I am like 95% certain she won't hate me; especially since I always show up groomed.
But, I can't support her after what she did to our boy! LOL.
Tacky, sure. But our wallets is the only way we hold her behavior accountable. There is no HR manager in this game haha.
That being said, if you already have good rapport with her, then by all means.
[QUOTE=JackHolly;7450387]Golden Pussy Syndrome. It's when a girl thinks her pussy is worth way more than it's worth.[/QUOTE]Was not expecting that lmao that gave me a good laugh!
[QUOTE=Metro211;7450652]Yeah, honestly speaking, I am like 95% certain she won't hate me; especially since I always show up groomed.
But, I can't support her after what she did to our boy! LOL.
Tacky, sure. But our wallets is the only way we hold her behavior accountable. There is no HR manager in this game haha.
That being said, if you already have good rapport with her, then by all means.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty confident in my build and some of the K / J-girls have commented about it mid bone. It could be extra sugar but I'll take an ego boost when I can get it LOL.
Who's your boy and what happened? Only thing I know is that she can be cold to people which to me is quite unprofessional for what she charges so my recent revelation on what GPS means has brought some things together.
[QUOTE=Stonkz;7450578]Honestly bro, if you are decent looking (Good hygiene, fit, take care of yourself), I would recommend you to see angel. I'll be honest, looks go a long way. I had a different experience than what a lot of people had with her. Sure her service was basically bring your own service, but she was chill with me. If she stepped up her service game, she would wipe the floor with all these girls here even with her 800 rate.[/QUOTE]Who is charging 800, and who is paying that? Is that a typo?!
Hey Gents,
I saw Sochi this week because she had some decent reviews on some posts here. Had I realized she was a rebrand of Susie K who I saw earlier this year, I would have aborted. That is why it is good to use this board and do forum searches before seeing a Provider. I normally do this, but this was last minute so I did not have time.
Nonetheless, I will share my rating for her:
Looks- She is fairly pretty, and her face is probably best feature.
Age- She is definitely mid to late 30's and is a MILF. She even has some wrinkles on her neck, has baby damage, look skin around her stomach area indicative of post pregnancy stretching. She has a large scar just around her low waistline all the way across her front so she has had a tummy tuck. With that said, she still had some loose skin and that was a turn off for me.
Body- For me her body is just okay. She has some man made Ds which are pretty good, but not huge. I would say she is about 120 lbs. Now, her pussy for me was just slightly too big, and could not get a lot of friction. Mind you I also have decent girth so I could imagine most would find her not tight enough. I knew I could not pop in any position and I tried so I had to finish via BBBJCIM which was good.
Attitude and Service- This is her best attribute, she is very nice, and well mannered. She does want you to be happy and aims to please, but unfortunately that is just not enough for me to warrant repeating, especialloy at $450 for BB, no way.
Other girls I saw recently that would not be considered top tier like Prada, Elle, and Elle 2 were way better bodywise.
Just giving you my opinion, YMMV.
[QUOTE=CumSquat;7450669]Who is charging 800, and who is paying that? Is that a typo?![/QUOTE]Her base is 6 hundo. But in order to get the full 3 D experience, its 8 hundo for BB. 9 hundo if you want to double tap. For most people, it aint worth it. If you want my recommendation, Id tell you to go see Nali/Mali in OC instead. But if she had Mali’s service then yeah I would say it was worth it. She’s basically for guys who have spare change laying around.
[QUOTE=Stonkz;7450876]Her base is 6 hundo. But in order to get the full 3 D experience, its 8 hundo for BB. 9 hundo if you want to double tap. For most people, it aint worth it. If you want my recommendation, Id tell you to go see Nali/Mali in OC instead. But if she had Malis service then yeah I would say it was worth it. Shes basically for guys who have spare change laying around.[/QUOTE]What kind of work do you do or did you do that makes it easy for you to spend tens of thousands of dollars a month on these girls?
[QUOTE=TJ2617;7450958]What kind of work do you do or did you do that makes it easy for you to spend tens of thousands of dollars a month on these girls?[/QUOTE]I'm nobody special bro. I make around 250 k ish in my office job. I just invested in the stock market early and got a few lucky picks. From then on it kind of just snowballed. My only stock holding now is Nvidia which I have been trimming down, but I don't want to pay capital gains tax. My portfolio has a tech tilt as I am betting on AI. But mostly VTI and VXUS with a tilt of VGT and SMH.
[QUOTE=Tguffin;7450660]
Who's your boy and what happened? Only thing I know is that she can be cold to people which to me is quite unprofessional for what she charges so my recent revelation on what GPS means has brought some things together.[/QUOTE]He's some monger who reviewed Angel in the HYA thread a few weeks ago. Lost story short, she finessed him out of 700 and got no service. Poor bastard. Then, others chimed in that that wasn't a one-off crashout; insinuating it's typical behavior for her. I don't know the guy personally, but reading all that spurred up a lot of contempt in me.