Safe Sex Information and Advice

[QUOTE=Lips1963;7443194]... "Gonorrhea- Chance of transmission from an infected throat to the penis: 23% - 42.3%. "...[/QUOTE]The data guy in me has to bring up one very important thing to look at with a statement like this. What is the prevalence of gonorrhea in the throat? Google search suggested 2-10% of cases. So, using the min / max of those ranges, the chances of getting gonorrhea from oral are (2% of 23%) to (10% of 42% which is 0. 4% to 4%. This is where the "virtually impossible" statement would come into play. Not only do they have to be infected, but specifically their throat has to be infected, for you to be at risk. Is it still a risk? Of course. But it's not a 42% chance.

[QUOTE=KatSuno1492;7443434]The data guy in me has to bring up one very important thing to look at with a statement like this. What is the prevalence of gonorrhea in the throat? Google search suggested 2-10% of cases. So, using the min / max of those ranges, the chances of getting gonorrhea from oral are (2% of 23%) to (10% of 42% which is 0. 4% to 4%. This is where the "virtually impossible" statement would come into play. Not only do they have to be infected, but specifically their throat has to be infected, for you to be at risk. Is it still a risk? Of course. But it's not a 42% chance.[/QUOTE]Dear God. Someone has inserted Math and Science in the middle of my Escort viewing. What is the world coming to!!

[QUOTE=KatSuno1492;7443434]The data guy in me has to bring up one very important thing to look at with a statement like this. What is the prevalence of gonorrhea in the throat? Google search suggested 2-10% of cases. So, using the min / max of those ranges, the chances of getting gonorrhea from oral are (2% of 23%) to (10% of 42% which is 0. 4% to 4%. This is where the "virtually impossible" statement would come into play. Not only do they have to be infected, but specifically their throat has to be infected, for you to be at risk. Is it still a risk? Of course. But it's not a 42% chance.[/QUOTE]I saw the same statistic that you did, but that statistic is based on the general population. For instance, among men who have sex with men, the range is 9% to 15%, which is already 50% more prevalent at the upper end of the range (10% to 15% is a 50% increase). Of course, providers are likely to have many more contacts -- and more cases of gonorrhea of the throat -- than even the most promiscuous of gay men. After all, how many gay men are giving BBBJ after BBBJ, several times a week, at least a few times a day? So why don't we just agree that the risk of getting gonorrhea from a provider is more like 8% per "get-together"? Still, the odds are against it -- there's a 92% chance that you don't get gonnorhea from a single BBBJ from a provider.

92% is the same number (for calculational purposes) as. 92 -- the odds of not catching gonorrhea after seeing 2 providers is. 92 times. 92, which equals, . 846, or 84.6%. After seeing a third provider, the odds of NOT catching gonorrhea from any of them is. 846 times. 92, which is approximately. 78, or 78%. So already, if you're visiting 3 providers, the odds that you don't get gonorrhea from any of them, or from more than one of them, is 78%, which means the odds of catching gonorrhea is 22%, or between 1/4 and 1/5 of the time!

If you engage in 2 or 3 cardates a month, you are very, very likely to get gonorrhea within 4 or 5 months.

Just my 2 cents.

I was just thinking about how hard it would be for someone with a huge stink down there to even go to a doctor. Which doctor would be able to keep a straight face as she disrobes and starts to stink up the place? How you guys are able to hold your noses and see her is beyond me.

[QUOTE=SkyWalker13;7442950]I've always wrapped up eith Joelle. I saw her about 3 or 4 months ago and her pussy reeked. That's usually a sign that something isn't right downstairs. Whether it's hygiene, BV or a STD. The concern with someone who offers bareback to everyone is they aren't getting tested and don't care. I stopped getting BBBJ awhile ago.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Adobe;7443542]I saw the same statistic that you did, but that statistic is based on the general population. For instance, among men who have sex with men, the range is 9% to 15%, which is already 50% more prevalent at the upper end of the range (10% to 15% is a 50% increase). Of course, providers are likely to have many more contacts -- and more cases of gonorrhea of the throat -- than even the most promiscuous of gay men. After all, how many gay men are giving BBBJ after BBBJ, several times a week, at least a few times a day? So why don't we just agree that the risk of getting gonorrhea from a provider is more like 8% per "get-together"? Still, the odds are against it -- there's a 92% chance that you don't get gonnorhea from a single BBBJ from a provider.

92% is the same number (for calculational purposes) as. 92 -- the odds of not catching gonorrhea after seeing 2 providers is. 92 times. 92, which equals, . 846, or 84.6%. After seeing a third provider, the odds of NOT catching gonorrhea from any of them is. 846 times. 92, which is approximately. 78, or 78%. So already, if you're visiting 3 providers, the odds that you don't get gonorrhea from any of them, or from more than one of them, is 78%, which means the odds of catching gonorrhea is 22%, or between 1/4 and 1/5 of the time!.[/QUOTE]Not going to get into math or algorithms. According to the highly respected Mayo Clinic the chances of acquiring an STI from a BBBJ does exist, but it is considerably lower than other sexual activity. It can only occur if your partner has cuts or sores in the mouth or has gum disease. Does that mean we need to be dentists? Of course that's ridiculous, but if you see anything unusual around the mouth or badly rotted teeth then you might want to take out the cover. In all my years in this game I have always limited the number of escorts I see. Most of the time I would just see one regular for months at a time. Bottom line, if you are that worried about an STI, then reduce your chances and find a regular!

[QUOTE=Adobe;7443542]I saw the same statistic that you did, but that statistic is based on the general population. For instance, among men who have sex with men, the range is 9% to 15%, which is already 50% more prevalent at the upper end of the range (10% to 15% is a 50% increase). Of course, providers are likely to have many more contacts -- and more cases of gonorrhea of the throat -- than even the most promiscuous of gay men. After all, how many gay men are giving BBBJ after BBBJ, several times a week, at least a few times a day? So why don't we just agree that the risk of getting gonorrhea from a provider is more like 8% per "get-together"? Still, the odds are against it -- there's a 92% chance that you don't get gonnorhea from a single BBBJ from a provider.

92% is the same number (for calculational purposes) as. 92 -- the odds of not catching gonorrhea after seeing 2 providers is. 92 times. 92, which equals, . 846, or 84.6%. After seeing a third provider, the odds of NOT catching gonorrhea from any of them is. 846 times. 92, which is approximately. 78, or 78%. So already, if you're visiting 3 providers, the odds that you don't get gonorrhea from any of them, or from more than one of them, is 78%, which means the odds of catching gonorrhea is 22%, or between 1/4 and 1/5 of the time!

If you engage in 2 or 3 cardates a month, you are very, very likely to get gonorrhea within 4 or 5 months.

Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]It's actually even worse than this. Your calculations assume, as you stated, that you are dealing with bare back blow jobs from girls in the general population. But as you pointed out, we are not talking about getting head from girls in the general population here--we are talking here about getting head from HOES. Now, as you astutely mentioned, hoes provide FAR more blowjobs to FAR more men than girls in the general population.

But even taking THAT into account, the wild card here is the fact that hoes are FAR more frequently on drugs that fuck up the immune system, than are girls in the general population. Thus, they are far more likely to have the clap bacteria growing in their throats.

So my conclusion is that hoes on drugs are FAR more likely to pass clap to you from a blowjob than hoes who are not on drugs. This is one of the main reasons that I won't knowingly see hoes who are active junkies. Not even for blow jobs, because I'll NEVER use a cover for a goddam blowjob. I mean, damn! Even my hand feels better than a goddam covered blow job! And it doesn't cost anything! Still, my hand can't smile sweetly, and say "Thank you, daddy!" and stoke my ego!

So this brings up the interesting side question for you mongering statistics aficionados: What fraction of hoes do you think are active junkies? Opiates, meth, and cocaine all have deleterious effects on the immune system. (Google it!) So what percentage of hoes do you think are NOT on any of those types of drugs? If you know any providers in the area who are NOT on hard drugs, and who will provide a decent BBBJ for a fair price, then PLEASE post them up!

[QUOTE=DarkClouds;7443868]I was just thinking about how hard it would be for someone with a huge stink down there to even go to a doctor. Which doctor would be able to keep a straight face as she disrobes and starts to stink up the place? How you guys are able to hold your noses and see her is beyond me.[/QUOTE]Well, doctors, in my experience, can keep a straight face in most situations, LOL! But I hear you regarding that awful stench destroying an otherwise decent adventure! Which brings up the topic of Barbara, the GILF with the big naturals on Elmwood. Last time I saw her the stench was a deal breaker. But others saw her after me, and some reported no more stench. So I'd like to know if that's still true? From you guys that saw her (and smelled her snatch!) recently? Because Barbara is one of the precious few that is NOT on hard drugs, at least by her own declaration. And I've known plenty of civilian women who were NOT junkies who nevertheless had an atrociously smelling snatch! So who's seen her recently, and how long ago, and how did her snatch smell?

[QUOTE=Lips1963;7443931]It's actually even worse than this. Your calculations assume, as you stated, that you are dealing with bare back blow jobs from girls in the general population. But as you pointed out, we are not talking about getting head from girls in the general population here--we are talking here about getting head from HOES. Now, as you astutely mentioned, hoes provide FAR more blowjobs to FAR more men than girls in the general population.

But even taking THAT into account, the wild card here is the fact that hoes are FAR more frequently on drugs that fuck up the immune system, than are girls in the general population. Thus, they are far more likely to have the clap bacteria growing in their throats.

So my conclusion is that hoes on drugs are FAR more likely to pass clap to you from a blowjob than hoes who are not on drugs. This is one of the main reasons that I won't knowingly see hoes who are active junkies. Not even for blow jobs, because I'll NEVER use a cover for a goddam blowjob. I mean, damn! Even my hand feels better than a goddam covered blow job! And it doesn't cost anything! Still, my hand can't smile sweetly, and say "Thank you, daddy!" and stoke my ego!

So this brings up the interesting side question for you mongering statistics aficionados: What fraction of hoes do you think are active junkies? Opiates, meth, and cocaine all have deleterious effects on the immune system. (Google it!) So what percentage of hoes do you think are NOT on any of those types of drugs? If you know any providers in the area who are NOT on hard drugs, and who will provide a decent BBBJ for a fair price, then PLEASE post them up![/QUOTE]I give up on the math, I know from personal experience it's only a matter of time of catching something if you're getting BBBJ's in this hobby & exponentially higher if you're fucking them raw. I keep some antibiotics on hand now & pop some the minute something feels off or if my gut tells me too.

Seen Barbara several times for BBBJ, that gummer is top notch & she gets every drop, the place is too dirty to expect her pussy to smell fresh IMHO, so I've never opted for the pussy.

[QUOTE=Lips1963;7443931]It's actually even worse than this. Your calculations assume, as you stated, that you are dealing with bare back blow jobs from girls in the general population. But as you pointed out, we are not talking about getting head from girls in the general population here--we are talking here about getting head from HOES. Now, as you astutely mentioned, hoes provide FAR more blowjobs to FAR more men than girls in the general population.

But even taking THAT into account, the wild card here is the fact that hoes are FAR more frequently on drugs that fuck up the immune system, than are girls in the general population. Thus, they are far more likely to have the clap bacteria growing in their throats.

So my conclusion is that hoes on drugs are FAR more likely to pass clap to you from a blowjob than hoes who are not on drugs. This is one of the main reasons that I won't knowingly see hoes who are active junkies. Not even for blow jobs, because I'll NEVER use a cover for a goddam blowjob. I mean, damn! Even my hand feels better than a goddam covered blow job! And it doesn't cost anything! Still, my hand can't smile sweetly, and say "Thank you, daddy!" and stoke my ego!

So this brings up the interesting side question for you mongering statistics aficionados: What fraction of hoes do you think are active junkies? Opiates, meth, and cocaine all have deleterious effects on the immune system. (Google it!) So what percentage of hoes do you think are NOT on any of those types of drugs? If you know any providers in the area who are NOT on hard drugs, and who will provide a decent BBBJ for a fair price, then PLEASE post them up![/QUOTE]You're right, of course -- ladies with a stressed immune system (from drugs or too many BBBJs) -- are more likely to transmit an STI during a BBBJ. And while the Mayo Clinic mentions certain prerequisites before the disease can be communicable (as noted by the other poster), the category of "gum disease" is pretty far-reaching. Your teeth don't need to be discolored or falling out of your mouth in order for you to have gum disease. It's estimated that 47% of the adult population over 30 has gum disease of some severity or other. I would think that the pricier providers are less likely to be drug users, but perhaps that's an unfair stereotype against ladies who offer $20 cardates. . . Or maybe it's accurate.

[QUOTE=KatSuno1492;7443434]The data guy in me has to bring up one very important thing to look at with a statement like this. What is the prevalence of gonorrhea in the throat? Google search suggested 2-10% of cases. So, using the min / max of those ranges, the chances of getting gonorrhea from oral are (2% of 23%) to (10% of 42% which is 0. 4% to 4%. This is where the "virtually impossible" statement would come into play. Not only do they have to be infected, but specifically their throat has to be infected, for you to be at risk. Is it still a risk? Of course. But it's not a 42% chance.[/QUOTE]Are you sure that those figures weren't derived from the general population? Do they even apply to prostitutes specifically? Or hard drug addicts who are ALSO prostitutes? I can't prove it, but I suspect that the data I reported earlier is closer to the truth, assuming that data was derived from contact tracing for NYC prostitutes and their customers treated by the NYC STD Center? There are indeed A LOT of drug addicted prostitutes in NYC! The table below is from their website.

[URL]https://stdcenterny.com[/URL]

And here's another interesting tidbit: The vast MAJORITY of gonorrhea infections in prostitutes tested in Hong Kong carry it in their throats and NOT in their pussies! 82% of hoes with clap in Hong Kong have the infection in the throat, NOT the pussy! Granted, it was a small sample size, see the pie charts below. Nevertheless, that is a totally unexpected result, if transmission in prostitutes reflects the general population, and clearly, for the other reasons and from data already discussed, it definitely does not!

[URL]https://journals.lww.com/stdjournal/fulltext/2015/04000/community_based_sexually_transmitted_infection.5.aspx[/URL]#text=prevalence%20 of%20 C. -,trachomatis%20 and%20 and. ,gonorrhoeae%20 positivity%20 by%20 anatomical%20 site.

Yikes! About a decade ago I got quite a few BBBJs in a trip to Hong Kong! From free-lance bar girls mostly in the hotels. Thankfully with no adverse effects!

Getting your balls licked and sucked, is this safe at least? We can put a man on the moon but can't make bbbjs safe, crying shame!

[QUOTE=Lips1963;7444824]Are you sure that those figures weren't derived from the general population? Do they even apply to prostitutes specifically? Or hard drug addicts who are ALSO prostitutes? I can't prove it, but I suspect that the data I reported earlier is closer to the truth, assuming that data was derived from contact tracing for NYC prostitutes and their customers treated by the NYC STD Center? There are indeed A LOT of drug addicted prostitutes in NYC! The table below is from their website.

[URL]https://stdcenterny.com[/URL]

And here's another interesting tidbit: The vast MAJORITY of gonorrhea infections in prostitutes tested in Hong Kong carry it in their throats and NOT in their pussies! 82% of hoes with clap in Hong Kong have the infection in the throat, NOT the pussy! Granted, it was a small sample size, see the pie charts below. Nevertheless, that is a totally unexpected result, if transmission in prostitutes reflects the general population, and clearly, for the other reasons and from data already discussed, it definitely does not!

[URL]https://journals.lww.com/stdjournal/fulltext/2015/04000/community_based_sexually_transmitted_infection.5.aspx[/URL]#text=prevalence%20 of%20 C. -,trachomatis%20 and%20 and. ,gonorrhoeae%20 positivity%20 by%20 anatomical%20 site.

Yikes! About a decade ago I got quite a few BBBJs in a trip to Hong Kong! From free-lance bar girls mostly in the hotels. Thankfully with no adverse effects![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrRicFlair;7444112]I give up on the math, I know from personal experience it's only a matter of time of catching something if you're getting BBBJ's in this hobby & exponentially higher if you're fucking them raw. I keep some antibiotics on hand now & pop some the minute something feels off or if my gut tells me too.

Seen Barbara several times for BBBJ, that gummer is top notch & she gets every drop, the place is too dirty to expect her pussy to smell fresh IMHO, so I've never opted for the pussy.[/QUOTE]I just want to point out here that taking some random amount of random antibiotics for an unidentified potential infection is really NOT a good idea. You won't know if what you're taking is even effective for what you might have, you won't know the correct dosage to take or how long to take it, and taking an insufficient amount or a less effective antibiotic for a particular type of infection is how antibiotic resistant bacteria happens. Go to a doctor and find out for sure what you have and the correct way to treat it, and the follow-up to make sure the treatment was effective.

[QUOTE=MongerBob;7444966]I just want to point out here that taking some random amount of random antibiotics for an unidentified potential infection is really NOT a good idea. You won't know if what you're taking is even effective for what you might have, you won't know the correct dosage to take or how long to take it, and taking an insufficient amount or a less effective antibiotic for a particular type of infection is how antibiotic resistant bacteria happens. Go to a doctor and find out for sure what you have and the correct way to treat it, and the follow-up to make sure the treatment was effective.[/QUOTE]Finally some common sense! One more bit of info regarding the chances of getting Gonorrhea or Herpes from BBBJ's. According to FLO, which is considered the worlds number one app for female health, the probability of acquiring one of these STI's from a woman who is already infected is around 30 percent.

I took some time away from the hobby. Before last week. The last time I partook was in July. When I heard new well-known HYA from LA came down to OC I was forced out of semi-retirement to try and see if the hype was worth it. I saw her twice (over course of 2 weekends) and no one else. I started to get bump (s) and sores down there so I went to get tested. I just got results and tested positive for HSV 2. I frequently got tested when I was active in the hobby and never positive before. Just wanted to spread the word and give folks a heads up.

It is a good idea to periodically get tested. The OC STD Clinic is free, open Monday through Friday in Santa Ana:
[URL]https://ochealthinfo.com/location/17th-street-testing-treatment-and-care-clinic[/URL] [B]OC STD clinic[/B]

There are also doxy pep pills you can get prescriptions for, as well as Valtrex which greatly reduces the transmission of HSV-2 (Genital Herpes). You take doxy pep after, Valtrex before. One is for bacteria, the other is anti-viral. I'm not the best to ask about these options and maybe someone else can give better info. I have consulted different doctors PrEP for HIV but each one has consistently noted that I am at low risk because I don't partake in anal. I don't do bb all the time either. The risk is not zero, I am just not a serious risk in their opinion.

About genital herpes, most people end up asymptomatic or with very mild symptoms. So they often don't know they have it, but testing for antibodies will show it and it is possible to pass it on. About 1 in 8 people have it, so it is quite widespread.

Bacterial STDs are easily treated. Many choose to use callondoc which will send your prescription fast to your nearest pharmacy. I think it cost something like $40, slightly more if you need it expedited. You can also go to urgent care or an std clinic. Just remember with urgent care you may be sent both a bill and an insurance EOB in the mail. For more info on vaccines, testing, prevention, and treatment:
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?26373-Korean-Agency-BB&p=7441452&viewfull=1#post7441452[/URL] Maintaining good health

For some people, 001 through 003 condoms may be a compromise:

[QUOTE=Download X;7441394][B]003 Condoms and Sizing[/B]
For those who prefer, Chanel2 has [B]003 condoms[/B]. They were better than I expected, and pair well with her high tier pussy. The only catch is if you are a bigger guy, they can be hard to roll on so you have to be patient. Some kgirls will unroll half the condom and slide it on, then roll down the rest. Japanese condoms are slightly smaller than US condoms, so many guys will need the L size. If you're not sure, get the L size. A Japanese L size is not far off from a regular US size. There are even XL, XXL and bigger sizes with a picture of a horse or elephant on the package.

Some cities like LV, NYC, and others have a Teso store which sells 001 through 003. But for OC, try Ebay. If the seller is legit and offers in-person pick up, get their contact and buy from them directly for a discount. Some sellers specialze in bulk sales and have their own online stores once you meet them through Ebay. You could call it UTR through Ebay.

The one advice I have is if you're not sure on size, try the [B]Sagami L 001s[/B]. They come in 10 packs with "pop open" packaging. They are the biggest 001s and will fit most guys used to US sized condoms. Both Sagami and Okamoto condoms have a think layer of lubrication on the outside. It is a good type of lubricant and just the right amount imo.

One advantage of traditional packaging like Okamoto is you can fit one or two into your wallet. This is helpful in case you can't book the kgirl you wanted and end up trying a backup GFE only girl. Or you are toftt on a new girl who offers bb, but she is not a high priority so you go cfs anyways. CFS is very budget friendly, especially if you are a fan of [B]FirstAsians[/B] or thai orgs. We are talking 200-240 hh for cfs.[/QUOTE]

Some GFE only girls were quite amazed at 001 condoms. What a gift to give them. Just make sure they are the correct size, many people need a Sagami L which is the biggest common 001 size.