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[QUOTE=Tbird11955;6987442]
I hate being rude. In the future I will be if I have too. At the end of the day, it's a choice of being rude or letting one pushy stripper ruin your night.[/QUOTE]Tbird,
I also hate being rude and my natural personality is to be an agreeable and happy guy.
But sometimes you have to put the big boy underwear on, and do what is necessary. I am more than capable of being rude if that is what is required.
MM.
[QUOTE=MareloboMex;6988603]Tbird,
I also hate being rude and my natural personality is to be an agreeable and happy guy.
But sometimes you have to put the big boy underwear on, and do what is necessary. I am more than capable of being rude if that is what is required.
MM.[/QUOTE]For me I'm always worried that if I'm rude to the girl I'm not interested in, word will spread and the ones I am interested in won't come over, even if I tip.
Though that is one thing that I'm still a bit bad about, I get nervous approaching a dancer and just like to hope they notice me and come over. XD.
Extremely high pressure dancers are a distinctly Detroit phenomenon. I think it's the dark underbelly of the permissive club environment Detroit has relative to other places.
It probably wasn't the same girl, but a decade ago or so, I encountered a dancer in Detroit who was the pushiest, fast-talking-est dancer I've ever met. She was a short-haired blonde spinner with a punk vibe. She wasn't unattractive, plus, she offered a lot of services, talked herself up and, honestly, something about the confidence and aggressiveness was kinda hot at first. But I took her up more because I was disoriented and caught off guard than anything. Ultimately, the experience was awful.
Lesson learned. And that's the key phrase: You learn that if a girl is that in-your-face, something's amiss.
The lesson is this: It's your money. Don't spend it if you don't want to. Don't let a girl pressure, disorient or intimidate you into spending on her.
At some point, if you have to put your foot down and just say, "Sorry, no, go away please," do it.
I'm less sure about talking to the manager. I think what breeds that type of dancer in Detroit is the fact there's relatively little management oversight. Part of what allows Detroit's unique environment (extras) to exist is the fact management just kinda stays out of the way and collects the money. As a result, some dancers pick up on that in a different way and try to get away with more.
That said, yes, leaving the club altogether is always an option if it's bad enough. Definitely a last resort, but one that sends a message.
Also, don't worry about the other girls. If they thought high-pressure tactics were the way to go, they'd employ them, too. Most likely, they see dancers like that and dislike them just as much as you do because they take their customers, give the customers a bad time and make those customers not want to come back. There's a reason those types of dancers are few and far between.
Unfortunately, though, they make their money and pay their tip outs, so they're around. Learn the lesson. Put your foot down when you have to. If someone won't go away after you've made it clear you wanted them to, you're not the rude one, they are.
[QUOTE=ChimilDetin;6989033]Extremely high pressure dancers are a distinctly Detroit phenomenon. [/QUOTE]I have run into girls like this in Dallas and Chicago, too. I think it's just part of the strip club scene.
[QUOTE=Darwin2000;6989153]I have run into girls like this in Dallas and Chicago, too. I think it's just part of the strip club scene.[/QUOTE]I club in Chicago a decent amount and haven't run into anything like the example I gave.
Don't get me wrong, there are high pressure dancers everywhere. There are certain Vegas clubs where the girls are on you like a hawk.
The extremely high pressure dancer in Detroit is different, though. In the Vegas example, it's part of the club's plan. There's one club in Chicago where I think they encourage the girls to be quick about getting to the point about asking for dances or moving on.
This girl in Detroit wasn't so much selling me as she was arguing with me, talking a mile a minute and not letting me get a word in edgewise. It was more like shouting than a conversation and an order to take her to VIP. It wasn't until we were there that I realized the whole thing was being done with contempt on her part. She had no interest in making the experience good for me.
You don't encounter that elsewhere. Normal clubs, girls would get fired for that. Detroit clubs, I think girls can get away with it.
[QUOTE=Degasa9976;6988810]For me I'm always worried that if I'm rude to the girl I'm not interested in, word will spread and the ones I am interested in won't come over, even if I tip.
Though that is one thing that I'm still a bit bad about, I get nervous approaching a dancer and just like to hope they notice me and come over. XD.[/QUOTE]D9976, What you state is a risk but a very low risk, and if a dancer is so influenced by what her strip club girlfriend tells her then she is not likely to be a good time anyway. Most dancers know how desirable they are to the average guy. She won't at all be surprised that you had to be rude to get rid of certain girls. She will not approach you if the other girl is sitting with you. She may in fact be waiting for that girl to leave to approach you.
Most girls are in the club to make money so I tip at the stage with the comment I would like some of your company is usually all that is necessary to have her coming to sit with you regardless of who else you rejected or how you rejected them.
It is very normal to get nervous approaching a pretty girl. It happens to many guys. It is time to get over that nervousness, as the girl I desire most are frequently in demand and rarely chase down guys who don't approach them. If you don't want a specific girl but any girl is acceptable, then you will have no trouble with many girls approaching you. The best girls have regulars and rarely need to find new customers.
MM.
[QUOTE=ChimilDetin;6989033]
I'm less sure about talking to the manager. I think what breeds that type of dancer in Detroit is the fact there's relatively little management oversight. Part of what allows Detroit's unique environment (extras) to exist is the fact management just kinda stays out of the way and collects the money. As a result, some dancers pick up on that in a different way and try to get away with more.
That said, yes, leaving the club altogether is always an option if it's bad enough. Definitely a last resort, but one that sends a message.
Also, don't worry about the other girls. If they thought high-pressure tactics were the way to go, they'd employ them, too. Most likely, they see dancers like that and dislike them just as much as you do because they take their customers, give the customers a bad time and make those customers not want to come back. There's a reason those types of dancers are few and far between.
Unfortunately, though, they make their money and pay their tip outs, so they're around. Learn the lesson. Put your foot down when you have to. If someone won't go away after you've made it clear you wanted them to, you're not the rude one, they are.[/QUOTE]I agree the better girls don't like the high pressure girls, and think they are stealing their customers. I also agree the high pressure girls make some money and pay their tip outs. I do not think they are few and far between, but are in every club.
Leaving doesn't send any clear signal, guys leave all the time for a million reasons.
The manager is a good resource, because he doesn't know who is driving customers away. The high pressure dancers driving customers away and driving other good dancers away is something he cares about because the club makes more money with more customer and one less high pressure dancers tip out. The manager can't and won't do anything until he hears complaints from multiple customers about a specific dancer.
MM.
[QUOTE=UzumakiNaruto;6988476]What is with the increase in Cuban dancers around Detroit? A local dancer stated it has something to do with the Florida clubs, anybody have intel on that?[/QUOTE]Wayne county, along with three other counties in Michigan is a sanctuary county, so there's that.
[QUOTE=Sammy1969;6989812]Wayne county, along with three other counties in Michigan is a sanctuary county, so there's that.[/QUOTE]Good. Keep it that way. I'd rather have that than turn this to evangelical town where they will close all the clubs and wolf-cry accuse everyone of pizzagate.
What is the age do you think of the older dancers? What is the best day of the week to encounter the older dancers at Bogies?
[QUOTE=MareloboMex;6987409]First, thanks for your report, I enjoyed reading it.
Second this is the girls strategy. Sure she drives many customers out of the club but she doesn't care. If didn't follow this strategy she wouldn't get any VIPs at all.
Do not let some one sit with you if you are not interested in them. She is trying to occupy your time, hoping you run are out of time and are so horny you decide to try her.
Do not buy her a drink, do not make small talk with her, do not pay her to go away, and certainly do not take her back for a dance.
When she walks over simply say you are just settling in. Usually the girl will move on, she many make an angry face, or a mean look or even call you a jerk. Do you care, no all you want her to do is move on, so she isn't blocking other girls from joining you..[/QUOTE]I've experienced the dancers who won't leave, who insist you buy them a drink, or pay them "for their time". I don't try to get management involved. My method is:
1) under no circumstances do I give them even a dollar. If you give her a dollar to go away, she'll collect "her" dollar from you every time you walk in the club.
2) I politely tell her I prefer to be left alone, I'm not in the mood to chat.
3) I lie, and tell her I have no money.
4) If she still won't leave, I start fondling her tits. Even if I don't like her tits. I've told her I have no money, I won't give her a dollar, now I'm trying to get free feels. These kind of girls hate not getting paid. I've never had it fail.
What's really great about my system is when I go up to the stage, and tip a dancer. Instead of tipping the dancer and asking her to stop by, I tell her I'd love to get some private dances and extras when she's done. Sometimes we discuss service and price while she's on stage. I love seeing the pesky dancer, who I've told I have no money, watch me tip and go to the VIP.
[QUOTE=CubsNuts2003;6990102]What is the age do you think of the older dancers? What is the best day of the week to encounter the older dancers at Bogies?[/QUOTE]Specific age? I donno. Dayshift any weekday should have them.
[QUOTE=CubsNuts2003;6990102]What is the age do you think of the older dancers? What is the best day of the week to encounter the older dancers at Bogies?[/QUOTE]Basic strip club rules 101 , never repeat never ask an older dancer her age, but i would guess there are a few in 45-55 range on day shifts weekdays
[QUOTE=JackOfClubs;6990673]Basic strip club rules 101 , never repeat never ask an older dancer her age, but i would guess there are a few in 45-55 range on day shifts weekdays[/QUOTE]Glad you specified Older, because I damn sure have asked a dancer her age because I was a bit scared she was under 21 heh.
Stopped at Bogart's recently and it maybe my last visit for a while. The talent was not bad, The normal older day shift dancers with a few younger ones mixed in. Decided to take Brooke up on her offer for a trip upstairs. Things went south right off the start her attitude changed. She started to get loud and did not deliver on the agreed upon services. Not sure if she was drunk, high or a combination of both. Which is sad as she looks to be expecting.