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[QUOTE=AlwaysSwallow;3891158]Since the fall of BP and CL I have been desperately seeking a pregnant provider. Any Pregos our there?[/QUOTE][URL]http://south-jersey.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/latin/preggo-latina-incalls-only-abs/252444155383[/URL]
[QUOTE=SuperDavey;3892335][URL]http://south-jersey.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/latin/preggo-latina-incalls-only-abs/252444155383[/URL][/QUOTE]I sent her a few texts. She looks attractive from her photos, but too many rules for me.
[QUOTE=DoNotDeevee8;3894689]I sent her a few texts. She looks attractive from her photos, but too many rules for me.[/QUOTE]I've seen her mutliple times before she was preggo. So she is non-GFE but is great for what she is. Rules or not. Weird I know. So everything covered (CBJ). No DFK but LFK is on the table. She is wild and really feels like she's into it. She is definitly not a clock watcher either. She's down to earth and is cool with just kicking back and chatting too (before and after the main act). Anyway I would see her again but I haven't really gone out for a while.
Good luck.
[QUOTE=HighPockets;3888619]Word has gotten to me of a cute little spinner named Jennifer, somewhere on B'way. Has anyone met her? Any reports?
Thanks for any info.
HP.[/QUOTE]Did you or anyone else find her?
[QUOTE=Lall123;3904285]Did you or anyone else find her?[/QUOTE]Thanks for asking.
I haven't heard from anyone, and I haven't been able to get to B'way to recon.
I'll post as soon as I hear, see or smell anything.
HP.
Seen her past few days. Wearing a sun dress today. Dirty blonde, yound looking, would guess 5'5 ish. Walks slow with a slight limp. Anyone got any info good / bad ect.
[QUOTE=CookyJar;3495234]…
Kelly is a spinner. My first impression was that she was a Butterface, with a nice personality. During the photo session, she grew on me. She has nice strong shapely legs, nice hips, and a tiny waist, well rounded apple bottom, flat firm tummy, perky tits with responsive nipples and a pleasant face. Towards the end of the photo shoot, I realized that I had not done enough to really capture her spinner body. I wish I had taken a few pictures of her alone, standing and showing off what she has. Maybe next time!
CookyJar.[/QUOTE]Damn it! I did it again.
I did not realize who Kelly was until I got home and checked-out her previous review, by me. Her BBBJ was par-for-the-course. I had had better and I have had worse. Our first date was a threesome with Michelle, where they had shared duties. Ahhh! But, this time she was flying solo. She rocked it.
Katy confided in me that BJ's were not her favorite thing to do. She said that she liked to be fucked and doggie was her favorite position. Bumping up again her firm ass, while hitting her tight pussy from behind, was my idea of a good time. After a few stokes, katy began to moan. She wiggled her butt, grinded up against me and I hit it for all my worth.
Please! Don't make no mistake, Katy's blow job ain't bad. It's just that her pussy is tight and on point.
CookyJar.
[QUOTE=CookyJar;3921169]Damn it! I did it again.
I did not realize who Kelly was until I got home and checked-out her previous review, by me. Her BBBJ was par-for-the-course. I had had better and I have had worse. Our first date was a threesome with Michelle, where they had shared duties. Ahhh! But, this time she was flying solo. She rocked it.
Katy confided in me that BJ's were not her favorite thing to do. She said that she liked to be fucked and doggie was her favorite position. Bumping up again her firm ass, while hitting her tight pussy from behind, was my idea of a good time. After a few stokes, katy began to moan. She wiggled her butt, grinded up against me and I hit it for all my worth.
Please! Don't make no mistake, Katy's blow job ain't bad. It's just that her pussy is tight and on point.
CookyJar.[/QUOTE]Cooky,
Great capture of her. But OMG I wish you got more of her tits! They look marvelous! Nice job.
[QUOTE=LuvEmSmall;3921429]Cooky,
Great capture of her. But OMG I wish you got more of her tits! They look marvelous! Nice job.[/QUOTE]Ask! And you shall receive.
CookyJar.
[QUOTE=CookyJar;3927619]Ask! And you shall receive.
CookyJar.[/QUOTE]I just love those nice little lemons.
[QUOTE=LuvEmSmall;3928857]I just love those nice little lemons.[/QUOTE]Me too!
I'll take small, firm and responsive over big, droopy and dead, anytime.
My first date with Kelly was with Michelle. I did remember to ask Kelly about Michelle. She had no news. Seems as if Michelle has gone MIA. Does anyone have any information on Michelle?
CookyJar.
[QUOTE=Farouk;3878317]Hey all, I have had a pretty good steady run with a beautiful brunette who has gone MIA. Phone off, email unanswered, etc, which is not like her at all. Even when sick, w family, whatever, she always let me know she was ok. Goes by Molly, and usually within a few miles of the 38/73/ 295 interchange. I reached out to one of the girls that she worked with and got completely stone walled. If anyone knows the back story, please let me know.[/QUOTE]Hey any luck on hearing about Molly? She was my atf in the area and then suddenly ghosted, same as with you. Would love to know what's up even to help out if possible. Thanks and good luck out there!
[QUOTE=CookyJar;3930519]Me too!
I'll take small, firm and responsive over big, droopy and dead, anytime.
My first date with Kelly was with Michelle. I did remember to ask Kelly about Michelle. She had no news. Seems as if Michelle has gone MIA. Does anyone have any information on Michelle?
CookyJar.[/QUOTE]Cooky, she certainly has some pretty little lemons there! Might even be considered limes. Love them!
[QUOTE=CookyJar;3930519]Me too!
I'll take small, firm and responsive over big, droopy and dead, anytime.
My first date with Kelly was with Michelle. I did remember to ask Kelly about Michelle. She had no news. Seems as if Michelle has gone MIA. Does anyone have any information on Michelle?
CookyJar.[/QUOTE]If you mean Michelle who keeps her hair very short and has a neck tat, I saw her last week around 4 pm near the bus depot. She was looking rough. Seems he life is taking its toll.
Had a few dreams about her and was always a good date, never had trouble or felt like I was going to get arrested.
[URL]http://south-jersey.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_e/shes-a-snitch-for-the-cops/083007915672[/URL]
[QUOTE=Dingo21;3936283]If you mean Michelle who keeps her hair very short and has a neck tat, I saw her last week around 4 pm near the bus depot. She was looking rough. Seems he life is taking its toll.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Knowing that she is still around helps. I will be on the lookout for her. Whether I decide to stop for her is a decision to be made at the time.
CookyJar.
[QUOTE=Kmajr;3937444]Had a few dreams about her and was always a good date, never had trouble or felt like I was going to get arrested.
[URL]http://south-jersey.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_e/shes-a-snitch-for-the-cops/083007915672[/URL][/QUOTE]Seen her ad for a while but never seen her. Truth is anyone could be working with LE, or on the other hand, it could just be a disgruntled client trying to harm her business. You just never know.
On a side note, I once exchanged small talk with an escort who admitted that she set up a client to get arrested. She said an undercover was sent to her incall and he later on identified himself as LE but being that she didn't talk about sex or anything she argued with him about that and she said he sort of agreed with her so he decided to cut her a break and told her if she answered her phone and set up the next John he would let her go. She did it.
[QUOTE=Lance547;3939688]Seen her ad for a while but never seen her. Truth is anyone could be working with LE, or on the other hand, it could just be a disgruntled client trying to harm her business. You just never know.
On a side note, I once exchanged small talk with an escort who admitted that she set up a client to get arrested. She said an undercover was sent to her incall and he later on identified himself as LE but being that she didn't talk about sex or anything she argued with him about that and she said he sort of agreed with her so he decided to cut her a break and told her if she answered her phone and set up the next John he would let her go. She did it.[/QUOTE]So I've seen Jenny before. She looks amazing but everything is covered and you feel like she's just doing it to pay the bills. I know that all girls are that way but personally I like a girl that can at least suspend my belief for a little bit. If you like a hot girl that you can get on the cheap. She's it. Anyway she did not work for the LE when I saw her (Maybe 6 months ago).
I can't speak to the fact that she may have been offered a deal by LE like the example listed above however I think that this is just an angry client.
I called her once she never got back to me. Just the fact that she might be working for law enforcement is enough for me. On to the next girl!
[QUOTE=Rain1393;3946090]So I've seen Jenny before. She looks amazing but everything is covered and you feel like she's just doing it to pay the bills. I know that all girls are that way but personally I like a girl that can at least suspend my belief for a little bit. If you like a hot girl that you can get on the cheap. She's it. Anyway she did not work for the LE when I saw her (Maybe 6 months ago).
I can't speak to the fact that she may have been offered a deal by LE like the example listed above however I think that this is just an angry client.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CookyJar;3277108]Ah yes! Deana! I still have very fond memories of her and our pass dates. You and I, are adults, we can disagree, even argue, without fighting and ruining our friendship.
I think of both Taylor and Deana as, "Diamond in the Rough. " Neither one seems particularly evil or bad. Had the winds blown in a slightly different direction, with just a little luck, who knows what they might have been?
The differences between girls from suburbia and intercity girls aren't that big a deal. Especially when it comes to pussy. It's all just meat on the bone.
CookyJar.[/QUOTE]Lmfao damn.
[QUOTE=Rain1393;3946090]So I've seen Jenny before. She looks amazing but everything is covered and you feel like she's just doing it to pay the bills. I know that all girls are that way but personally I like a girl that can at least suspend my belief for a little bit. If you like a hot girl that you can get on the cheap. She's it. Anyway she did not work for the LE when I saw her (Maybe 6 months ago).
I can't speak to the fact that she may have been offered a deal by LE like the example listed above however I think that this is just an angry client.[/QUOTE]She didn't make me cover everything. I did BBBJCIM.
[QUOTE=DoNotDeevee8;3959189]She didn't make me cover everything. I did BBBJCIM.[/QUOTE]Hey I'll be in the princeton hamilton area tomorrow. Looking for suggestions.
I joined USASexGuide in 2006. The internet was still relatively new. Social media was new. There was a lot of discussion on personal privacy and discretion. There were questions about legality and moral obligations. A number of USASexGuide members inquired about my ethics and the morality of posting pictures of naked, drug addicted girls. Back then I was the newbie and I took a lot of flak, mostly from seniors.
I am not religious, but I do have a conscience. I believe everyone have Moral obligations. There are different levels of ethical responsibilities and everything starts with self-awareness and self-respect. How you appreciate others is a direct reflection of how you perceive yourself. After doing a lot of soul searching, I eventually can up with answers that allowed me to continue what I was doing and maintain my integrity. One of the things that I did was post the question, in an ambiguous form, on a MSN Bulletin Board. I got a number of replies and the discussion was really interesting. Even though I had not mentioned drugs or sex, the mere allusion to nudity made me the bad guy. The one suggestion, that was repeated, over and over and that made the most sense and fits this situated that I recently discovered was: In today's environment, everyone should assume that anything that is said or any picture that is taken could one day end up on the internet. That is even more important now, than it was back then. Ten years ago people were afraid of what their employer might find in an email. Today, every swinging dick has a phone with a camera. On every corner there is a business with a camera. No one can ever be certain that their picture or a video will not ended up on FaceBook or some internet site. That is an assumption everyone should make.
In today's world, if you, if anyone gets in front of a camera and willingly allow themself to be photographed or videoed they most assume that it could one day end up on the internet. There is no argument against that.
These girls are not angels, nor are they rocket scientists. I am sure that they are aware of the internet and its dangers. However, I doubt if they give it a thought. That should not relieve us, the rest of humanity, of our ethical responsibilities.
My soul searching did not end in 2006. It continues to this day. I never lie to the girls. No matter the position, ass up or down, I try to show them at their best. My goal is to present them as personable, desirable and not as nasty.
Checkout the videos linked below and tell me your opinion.
Stacey: [URL]https://www.thumbzilla.com/video/ph5b550f6cde4a5/methhead-*****-gets-fucked-after-doing-her-drugs[/URL].
I don't know this girl; it's hard to watch, but hold on until around 7:40, when the lie is told: [URL]https://www.thumbzilla.com/video/ph5b4ac3db74f03/black-*****-suck-dick-to-good[/URL].
Altogether there are about 10: [URL]https://pt.pornhub.com/model/bigblack19911/videos?o=mr[/URL].
Is this just a case of the pot calling the kettle black?
CookyJar.
[QUOTE=MrLoki123;3932510]Hey any luck on hearing about Molly? She was my atf in the area and then suddenly ghosted, same as with you. Would love to know what's up even to help out if possible. Thanks and good luck out there![/QUOTE]She's either locked up, or down with medical issues. I know that she had some (not std) issues, that is my best guess.
I checked all of the arrests that I could access for the surrounding areas, and didn't find her. Hope she's ok, as she's a good girl.
[QUOTE=CookyJar;3969355]
My soul searching did not end in 2006. It continues to this day. I never lie to the girls. No matter the position, ass up or down, I try to show them at their best. My goal is to present them as personable, desirable and not as nasty.
Checkout the videos linked below and tell me your opinion.
Stacey: [URL]https://www.thumbzilla.com/video/ph5b550f6cde4a5/methhead-*****-gets-fucked-after-doing-her-drugs[/URL].
I don't know this girl; it's hard to watch, but hold on until around 7:40, when the lie is told: [URL]https://www.thumbzilla.com/video/ph5b4ac3db74f03/black-*****-suck-dick-to-good[/URL].
Altogether there are about 10: [URL]https://pt.pornhub.com/model/bigblack19911/videos?o=mr[/URL].
Is this just a case of the pot calling the kettle black?
CookyJar.[/QUOTE]It is going to take some time for me to process this. I always knew that predators like these guys prey on these girls but have never seen it taken to a "sporting" level like this. For now, 3 thoughts come to mind:
1. NO. What these guys are doing is NOT OK. Like you pointed out CJ. At 7:40 the girl is clearly NOT giving consent for the video to be posted online. The guys proceed to lie to her knowing damn well they will post it. I am not OK with that. I don't think the law would be OK with it either.
2. Stacey. OMG, I feel so sad for her. Stacey was the first SW I have ever seen. So pretty, and smart back then. Spent quality time with her, took her to eat off the ave. It is clearly her in that video, she is now just a shadow of her once self. I pray she pulls out of this.
3. These guys are not very bright individuals. First, all of these vids appear to be Camden and not hard for me to know exactly where they are filming. Second, who is that stupid to post a public video basically incriminating yourself? I guess these guys are that stupid. Post a video titled "PREGNANT CRACKHEAD QUICKED FUCKED FOR THE MONEY" with their faces and all in the video.
[QUOTE=Mackeral1;3970881]3. These guys are not very bright individuals. First, all of these vids appear to be Camden and not hard for me to know exactly where they are filming. Second, who is that stupid to post a public video basically incriminating yourself? I guess these guys are that stupid. Post a video titled "PREGNANT CRACKHEAD QUICKED FUCKED FOR THE MONEY" with their faces and all in the video.[/QUOTE]Can't fix stupid!
[QUOTE=Kbear6577;3971173]Can't fix stupid![/QUOTE]Wow! Stephanie really has deteriorated since that video. I saw her about week ago and she is still not where she once was in physical appearance. I noticed she used protection in the video and that was something she always did in my encounters with her. It is so sad to see a beautiful woman with good heart go down.
Someday when they're being vetted for Supreme Court these clowns might regret it. Although heart may be in a better place, I see very little difference in pot colors.
[QUOTE=MyDarkSide;3971953]Although heart may be in a better place, I see very little difference in pot colors.[/QUOTE]Therein lay my dilemma. If I am not part of the solution, am I part of the problem?
It should be obvious now; that these ladies will do what they do whether it is for me or some other asshole. The challenge is not on the girls, the pressures they bare determine their actions. Assholes, like myself, are under no pressure to do what we do. Our reasons are our own.
Putting everything else aside, I am a person who likes photography. I enjoy photography and photo editing. It is my hobby. A hobby that would be damn near impossible without girls like Stacey. A hobby that would be less interesting without girls willing to post in the nude at a price I can afford. I could photograph flowers or the night sky, but where would I post such pictures and where would I find such an appreciative group of art lovers, as the members of this site.
Because I appreciate the ladies of the street and what it is that they offer, all of us, I choose to at least attempt a certain amount of decorum in their deference. I don't lie to them. I am not using them to benefit myself, or profit from their condition. As much as possible, I try to protect them. I would never post a photo of a girl using a drug, with drugs in her possession or preforming an illegal act.
Over the years, there have been a few attempts to pirate pictures that I had taken from this site and post them on other sites. Whenever attempts to repost pictures, that I had taken, on other sites; I made a strong action to prevent and discourage the practice. I have tried to restrict my picture to this site.
The videos taken by the kettle is currently on at least four free porn sites to my knowledge. Be it ever so meager, there is a for profit deal between the kettle and these free porn sites. Every time a video is viewed, shared and reposted the possibility of increased profits, increases.
All shit stinks. I guess the real question is; can I tolerate my own smell?
CookyJar.
P.S: I'm not the first wanna be artist who has used ladies of the evening as models.
[QUOTE=Mackeral1;3970881]Stacey. OMG, I feel so sad for her. Stacey was the first SW I have ever seen. So pretty, and smart back then. Spent quality time with her, took her to eat off the ave. It is clearly her in that video, she is now just a shadow of her once self. I pray she pulls out of this.[/QUOTE]I believe she is the reason I took this so hard. I knew her so well.
Contrary to the title, she is not a meth head. She does have big problems, but meth is not one of them.
CookyJar.
Sad reality is the pictures or videos are harmless to these girls. Little chance they will ever impact their lives in future. The difference is in how we think and treat fellow humanity. You appear far apart in this aspect. Which is the only important issue I guess.
Your media builds up; theirs is simply to degrade and tear down.
I can't believe no one has seen Sarah Smiles.
It's been a few months and since she has me blocked on FB and messenger I haven't seen Sarah.
I know she was in Camden I last saw her August 8th on Broadway near where the Cops were shot.
Let her know that RecycleMikel6 is looking. At least let me know that everything is good.
-RM.
[QUOTE=MyDarkSide;3972743]Sad reality is the pictures or videos are harmless to these girls. Little chance they will ever impact their lives in future. The difference is in how we think and treat fellow humanity. You appear far apart in this aspect. Which is the only important issue I guess.
Your media builds up; theirs is simply to degrade and tear down.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mackeral1;3970881]It is going to take some time for me to process this. I always knew that predators like these guys prey on these girls but have never seen it taken to a "sporting" level like this. For now, 3 thoughts come to mind:
1. NO. What these guys are doing is NOT OK. Like you pointed out CJ. At 7:40 the girl is clearly NOT giving consent for the video to be posted online. The guys proceed to lie to her knowing damn well they will post it. I am not OK with that. I don't think the law would be OK with it either.
2. Stacey. OMG, I feel so sad for her. Stacey was the first SW I have ever seen. So pretty, and smart back then. Spent quality time with her, took her to eat off the ave. It is clearly her in that video, she is now just a shadow of her once self. I pray she pulls out of this.
3. These guys are not very bright individuals. First, all of these vids appear to be Camden and not hard for me to know exactly where they are filming. Second, who is that stupid to post a public video basically incriminating yourself? I guess these guys are that stupid. Post a video titled "PREGNANT CRACKHEAD QUICKED FUCKED FOR THE MONEY" with their faces and all in the video.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CookyJar;3969355]I joined USASexGuide in 2006. The internet was still relatively new. Social media was new. There was a lot of discussion on personal privacy and discretion. There were questions about legality and moral obligations. A number of USASexGuide members inquired about my ethics and the morality of posting pictures of naked, drug addicted girls. Back then I was the newbie and I took a lot of flak, mostly from seniors.
I am not religious, but I do have a conscience. I believe everyone have Moral obligations. There are different levels of ethical responsibilities and everything starts with self-awareness and self-respect. How you appreciate others is a direct reflection of how you perceive yourself. After doing a lot of soul searching, I eventually can up with answers that allowed me to continue what I was doing and maintain my integrity. One of the things that I did was post the question, in an ambiguous form, on a MSN Bulletin Board. I got a number of replies and the discussion was really interesting. Even though I had not mentioned drugs or sex, the mere allusion to nudity made me the bad guy. The one suggestion, that was repeated, over and over and that made the most sense and fits this situated that I recently discovered was: In today's environment, everyone should assume that anything that is said or any picture that is taken could one day end up on the internet. That is even more important now, than it was back then. Ten years ago people were afraid of what their employer might find in an email. Today, every swinging dick has a phone with a camera. On every corner there is a business with a camera. No one can ever be certain that their picture or a video will not ended up on FaceBook or some internet site. That is an assumption everyone should make.
In today's world, if you, if anyone gets in front of a camera and willingly allow themself to be photographed or videoed they most assume that it could one day end up on the internet. There is no argument against that.
These girls are not angels, nor are they rocket scientists. I am sure that they are aware of the internet and its dangers. However, I doubt if they give it a thought. That should not relieve us, the rest of humanity, of our ethical responsibilities.
My soul searching did not end in 2006. It continues to this day. I never lie to the girls. No matter the position, ass up or down, I try to show them at their best. My goal is to present them as personable, desirable and not as nasty.
Checkout the videos linked below and tell me your opinion.
Stacey: [URL]https://www.thumbzilla.com/video/ph5b550f6cde4a5/methhead-*****-gets-fucked-after-doing-her-drugs[/URL].
I don't know this girl; it's hard to watch, but hold on until around 7:40, when the lie is told: [URL]https://www.thumbzilla.com/video/ph5b4ac3db74f03/black-*****-suck-dick-to-good[/URL].
Altogether there are about 10: [URL]https://pt.pornhub.com/model/bigblack19911/videos?o=mr[/URL].
Is this just a case of the pot calling the kettle black?
CookyJar.[/QUOTE]I'm still new to the game, and I'm still a young pup, but recently after a while of doing this I have been doing some soul searching myself. What I thought the game was, and what it really is, is two different things.
I'm really just getting tired of the drugs and how I see it absolutely ruin the looks and lives of these girls. It's even more devastating to the ones who have family members who care about them.
I want to support women going to school, or women who use the money to take care of their children and families, not drug addicts even though I know they need their fix.
American sex work is so incredibly depressing. None of these girls while young decided to be drug addicted prostitutes. Many just had bad breaks early on in life with nobody to help or guide them and it was just all down hill from there.
Once girl I got close to her half brother tricked her into doing H for the first time and she has been an addict ever since, and at 27 her whole life is nearly destroyed and if she doesn't stop she will probably be dead soon leaving multiple children without a mommy.
Guys in the video who come along and prey on these girls and their type of situation are pure scum and give us a bad name. One day those guys will have daughters and I bet they wouldn't want that they're doing happen to their daughter (s).
[QUOTE=Lance547;3977530]Once girl I got close to her half brother tricked her into doing H for the first time and she has been an addict ever since, and at 27 her whole life is nearly destroyed and if she doesn't stop she will probably be dead soon leaving multiple children without a mommy.[/QUOTE]This is not how addiction works.
Just saying.
A2.
[QUOTE=Admin2;3977811]This is not how addiction works.
Just saying.
A2.[/QUOTE]Please, I welcome your input. Really would like to see this girl off drugs for good because it's slowly killing her.
To give you more background, she use to pop oxy pills (that is common in the suburbs now unfortunately) and one day her brother gave her heroin to snort and told her it was the same stuff she was already taking. She has been hooked since.
Currently she got kicked out of her treatment program for missing too many days and has been selling her suboxone instead of taking it. They have already reduced her suboxone because they see it's not coming up in her urine.
As it stands now, it appears she can't or doesn't want to stop using but she did stop "marking" herself to get it. She seems to be ashamed of marking herself like that and doesn't want to do that anymore, something she learned from the meetings I guess. She gets her money from her mom.
[QUOTE=Lance547;3978013]she use to pop oxy pills (that is common in the suburbs now unfortunately) and one day her brother gave her heroin to snort and told her it was the same stuff she was already taking. She has been hooked since.[/QUOTE]She was a junkie before she did the heroin, oxy is a narcotic just like heroin. I was an addict before I ever did any drugs. When I was in Jr High they brought the junkies from prison to talk to us about dope. I can still remember EXACTLY what that guy said. "My drug was meth, I never felt like I belonged anywhere but I'd do a shot of meth and felt like Superman. ".
Care to guess what this kid from a bad home who never felt like he belonged anywhere got strung out on? I know that guy said a bunch of other stuff about how bad it got on drugs but I had already heard all I was going to hear.
Want to bet no arm twisting was needed for her with the smack? She's not a bad person, she's sick. Sadly in the USA you fuckers continue to want to treat a public health problem with incarceration, but that's sort of the answer for everything up there considering the USA has 4% of the worlds population and 22% of the worlds prisoners. More prisoners than China. Not more people per capita than China more actual people.
Talk to her but don't enable her, listen, connect. Drug addiction more than anything else is about isolation. There's a great book if you want to read it called Chasing the Scream.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chasing_the_Scream[/URL]
I'd bet a lot of money that pretty much everything you think you know about addiction is wrong because you have been indoctrinated not educated on the matter. Not your fault, it's the education we all received.
[QUOTE=Lance547;3978013]
she use to pop oxy pills (that is common in the suburbs now unfortunately) and one day her brother gave her heroin to snort and told her it was the same stuff she was already taking. She has been hooked since.
[/QUOTE]She was hooked before ever taking the heroin. Oxy. Even medically prescribed by a professional, has started many an addict. Best of luck.
[QUOTE=Lance547;3978013]Please, I welcome your input. Really would like to see this girl off drugs for good because it's slowly killing her.
To give you more background, she use to pop oxy pills (that is common in the suburbs now unfortunately) and one day her brother gave her heroin to snort and told her it was the same stuff she was already taking. She has been hooked since.
Currently she got kicked out of her treatment program for missing too many days and has been selling her suboxone instead of taking it. They have already reduced her suboxone because they see it's not coming up in her urine.
As it stands now, it appears she can't or doesn't want to stop using but she did stop "marking" herself to get it. She seems to be ashamed of marking herself like that and doesn't want to do that anymore, something she learned from the meetings I guess. She gets her money from her mom.[/QUOTE]First of all it sounds like you care about this person and what happens to her. That is a good thing. But don't let it turn into a bad thing. Don't let your sympathy and desire to help turn you into an enabler. Enablers come in many forms not just those that give money or more drugs to help them get by.
"Talk to her but don't enable her, listen, connect. Drug addiction more than anything else is about isolation" was a great point made by Admin2.
Couple of points Oxy and Heroin are the same thing. Big misconception is that the street drug is better when in fact the prescription drug is actually more pure. Street heroin gets stepped on many times by dealers by god knows what to increase profits. It also gets laced with things like fentanyl. It is the additives that causes the majority of the overdoses. I myself am in recovery and always will be. Played football through college and suffered many injuries. Also have other health issues that resulted in chronic pain. I was being prescribed heavy duty narcotics for over 15 years. Everything from vicodin, fentanyl, percocet, to morphine. I was up to 180 mg of morphine a day by prescription. Got to the point where the narcotics weren't cutting it and and said I needed to get off them. Dr. tried weening me off too fast because he wasn't very educated about the process at the time. Scripts stopped but the withdrawals didn't. So I turned to the streets for my pills. Thankfully I never turned into anything else but a pill head that was bad enough. One day I read up on Suboxone and it basically saved my life.
A couple of things aren't adding up in her story or I am missing something. If she got kicked out of the "program" then she isn't getting any more prescriptions. They do not reduce your medication for it not showing in your urine. Your prescribed medication is based off your medical necessity to have it. So they either a) throw you out and you have no script, or b) are on your 2nd chance and under what prescription you were diagnosed for.
Again you sound like a decent guy that want to help this girl but you can't let feelings get in the way here. I have been through it with myself and done 3 other interventions for friends. I currently have a family member who desperately needs help but his parents are enablers who think they are helping him and he is going to just end up dead unless they come to grips. Suboxone is a life saver. She needs to realize that. It gets rid of cravings and allows you to almost immediately get yourself under control. Your life doesn't have to stop while you get treatment. She is still lying to herself and lying to you. Now I am not one of those people that believe one needs to hit their rock bottom before they are willing to help themselves but you have to try and find that persons trigger if you can. Some are so far gone that nothing, not their husbands, themselves, or even their kids are more important than their next high. But if you are willing and can somehow find something that she still cares about more than getting high and hit upon that then you have a chance. Good luck!
[QUOTE=Kbear6577;3978874]First of all it sounds like you care about this person and what happens to her. That is a good thing. But don't let it turn into a bad thing. Don't let your sympathy and desire to help turn you into an enabler. Enablers come in many forms not just those that give money or more drugs to help them get by.
"Talk to her but don't enable her, listen, connect. Drug addiction more than anything else is about isolation" was a great point made by Admin2.
Couple of points Oxy and Heroin are the same thing. Big misconception is that the street drug is better when in fact the prescription drug is actually more pure. Street heroin gets stepped on many times by dealers by god knows what to increase profits. It also gets laced with things like fentanyl. It is the additives that causes the majority of the overdoses. I myself am in recovery and always will be. Played football through college and suffered many injuries. Also have other health issues that resulted in chronic pain. I was being prescribed heavy duty narcotics for over 15 years. Everything from vicodin, fentanyl, percocet, to morphine. I was up to 180 mg of morphine a day by prescription. Got to the point where the narcotics weren't cutting it and and said I needed to get off them. Dr. tried weening me off too fast because he wasn't very educated about the process at the time. Scripts stopped but the withdrawals didn't. So I turned to the streets for my pills. Thankfully I never turned into anything else but a pill head that was bad enough. One day I read up on Suboxone and it basically saved my life.
A couple of things aren't adding up in her story or I am missing something. If she got kicked out of the "program" then she isn't getting any more prescriptions. They do not reduce your medication for it not showing in your urine. Your prescribed medication is based off your medical necessity to have it. So they either a) throw you out and you have no script, or b) are on your 2nd chance and under what prescription you were diagnosed for.
Again you sound like a decent guy that want to help this girl but you can't let feelings get in the way here. I have been through it with myself and done 3 other interventions for friends. I currently have a family member who desperately needs help but his parents are enablers who think they are helping him and he is going to just end up dead unless they come to grips. Suboxone is a life saver. She needs to realize that. It gets rid of cravings and allows you to almost immediately get yourself under control. Your life doesn't have to stop while you get treatment. She is still lying to herself and lying to you. Now I am not one of those people that believe one needs to hit their rock bottom before they are willing to help themselves but you have to try and find that persons trigger if you can. Some are so far gone that nothing, not their husbands, themselves, or even their kids are more important than their next high. But if you are willing and can somehow find something that she still cares about more than getting high and hit upon that then you have a chance. Good luck![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MyDarkSide;3978605]She was hooked before ever taking the heroin. Oxy. Even medically prescribed by a professional, has started many an addict. Best of luck.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Admin2;3978378]She was a junkie before she did the heroin, oxy is a narcotic just like heroin. I was an addict before I ever did any drugs. When I was in Jr High they brought the junkies from prison to talk to us about dope. I can still remember EXACTLY what that guy said. "My drug was meth, I never felt like I belonged anywhere but I'd do a shot of meth and felt like Superman. ".
Care to guess what this kid from a bad home who never felt like he belonged anywhere got strung out on? I know that guy said a bunch of other stuff about how bad it got on drugs but I had already heard all I was going to hear.
Want to bet no arm twisting was needed for her with the smack? She's not a bad person, she's sick. Sadly in the USA you fuckers continue to want to treat a public health problem with incarceration, but that's sort of the answer for everything up there considering the USA has 4% of the worlds population and 22% of the worlds prisoners. More prisoners than China. Not more people per capita than China more actual people.
Talk to her but don't enable her, listen, connect. Drug addiction more than anything else is about isolation. There's a great book if you want to read it called Chasing the Scream.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chasing_the_Scream[/URL]
I'd bet a lot of money that pretty much everything you think you know about addiction is wrong because you have been indoctrinated not educated on the matter. Not your fault, it's the education we all received.[/QUOTE]Guys, I really appreciate this advice. Thank you!
[QUOTE=Kbear6577;3978874]First of all it sounds like you care about this person and what happens to her. That is a good thing. But don't let it turn into a bad thing. Don't let your sympathy and desire to help turn you into an enabler. Enablers come in many forms not just those that give money or more drugs to help them get by.
"Talk to her but don't enable her, listen, connect. Drug addiction more than anything else is about isolation" was a great point made by Admin2.
Couple of points Oxy and Heroin are the same thing. Big misconception is that the street drug is better when in fact the prescription drug is actually more pure. Street heroin gets stepped on many times by dealers by god knows what to increase profits. It also gets laced with things like fentanyl. It is the additives that causes the majority of the overdoses. I myself am in recovery and always will be. Played football through college and suffered many injuries. Also have other health issues that resulted in chronic pain. I was being prescribed heavy duty narcotics for over 15 years. Everything from vicodin, fentanyl, percocet, to morphine. I was up to 180 mg of morphine a day by prescription. Got to the point where the narcotics weren't cutting it and and said I needed to get off them. Dr. tried weening me off too fast because he wasn't very educated about the process at the time. Scripts stopped but the withdrawals didn't. So I turned to the streets for my pills. Thankfully I never turned into anything else but a pill head that was bad enough. One day I read up on Suboxone and it basically saved my life.[/QUOTE]I don't know too much exact detail about her treatment program, but from my understanding, the meetings, and where she went to the doctor were separate.
She said the meetings she went to were voluntary and she went to the meetings because she wanted to go because she knows she needed it, but she got kicked out because she started missing too many days.
She has a problem with housing and transportation due to no car and a suspended drivers license for being in arrears for unpaid child support. Currently she is living back with her mom but really doesn't want to live there because her mothers boyfriend has sexually molested her at a younger age and still continues to say inappropriate things to her. This is very common, mothers boyfriends molesting the children from the women they date.
I told her I would support her if she wanted to pursue legal action against her mothers boyfriend, but at the same time told her if she sends this guy to jail it will probably disrupt the relationship with her mother and whatever stability she has. I left it for her to decide. She had another place to live through a contact with her bio father but they kicked her out and told her she couldn't return until she got clean. I have met her bio mother and father.
The doctors office which I took her to about a week ago reduced her pills from a quantity of 60 to 20 or so. She told me that they do a urine test and that they probably reduced her pills because they suspect she isn't taking them or selling them. Also during this trip she asked me to piss in a bottle that she took in her purse to use as her urine. I agreed to it.
Last time I seen her she used right in front of me. She snorted street H (probably not pure like you said) and has a habit of about 2-3 bags a day. She went from injecting to snorting it. From asking around she doesn't use a lot but no question this drug has a firm hold on her. She almost OD last month, her dad saved her and admitted her to the hospital where she couldn't leave for a while. In late night conversations she admitted that sometimes she just wants to die.
Anyway, she is back at it again, she gets up and doesn't shower or brush teeth just up and calls the dealer to get her bags for the day then spends her day going through a pack of cigarettes and in and out of public bathrooms getting high. Everything in her life including her own health and kids is just an afterthought though she verbally acknowledges that what she is doing is wrong.
Overall I understand what you're saying. I'm being careful. I know she has lied to me and I have seen her lie to others while she was with me. I have never cared about someone this much that has so many problems. She never graduated high school. Never went on prom. No college experience. No job. No car. Sexually reckless which is why she has a bunch of kids. Bench warrant out for her for unpaid child support. Ect. Ect.
She reminds me of the street kids that use to be prevalent in the 1980's and further back in time that ran away from home to try and make something of themselves or just tragically succumb to the streets. I am prepared to walk away for my own safety and sanity. I know that everyone can't be helped but at least I can say I tried or that someone did care.