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[QUOTE=AntBz;7003605]Made me cringe. There are some things that shouldn't even be the subject of a joke.[/QUOTE]As the title states, I am not even sure it is a joke to him, maybe if it was his first time saying something like that, but it isn't (linking previous post below). But just looking through his past posts, really gives off the vibe of he would 100% take advantage of any girl who let her guard down.

I think one thing that comes off as additionally creepy is trying to use the "status" of "senior member" I. E. "is she willing to let a few of us senior members try her out to prove how good she is?

Along with a string of posts spread out over the course of multiple months saying how much of a whack job this provider is, and steer clear, and better make sure to use a burner phone because she likes to blackmail you and / or threaten to call the police on you, etc. Only to make a post a few months after the last "she's a red flag" one, asking if anyone has her number or a way to get in contact with her.

To me that sounds like maybe she was threatening to call the police, but possibly had good reason to do so.

I know the point of this site is for people to be able to hopefully find any bit of extra information or insight on a hoe before taking the plunge into the dark abyss and it is also by default a tool that holds some of the girls at least somewhat accountable, if they care about making money for any amount of time longer than a couple weeks, enough time for enough people to post negative reviews or ripoff reports. However, I think in certain cases, the site needs to hold its members accountable as well, even if they are "senior members" and idk what that means in terms of consequences, I guess, for this guys idk maybe something like a temporary suspension of his "senior member status" since it seems to be of value to him. I am not suggesting that this guy be punished or anything necessarily, I just think that the more the guys are held to account for their actions the better experience it will be for all of us. We could spend so much less time, trying to gain a little trust from the girls if their first instinct isn't: "what shady shit is this guy going to try to pull or what asshole move is he going to try or which one of my off-limits acts is he going to try to pressure me into doing or not pay me what we agreed on" Hope that makes sense.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?11672-Escort-Reports&p=6919861&viewfull=1[/URL]#post6919861.

Please Boone123 I beg you. Take your one post and go elsewhere. If you are asking of anyone has see Mandy. She is only one of the longest standing Ladies in GR. Everyone one of us has seen her at one time or the other over the last 8/10 years. Search for crying out loud! Then set a "date". Then report back. Then repeat the process a half a dozen times. And maybe you will get an answer from other mongers. Be safe TH out!

[QUOTE=OhDirtyBastard;6965555]There's a lot of posts about Tiny not responding. But she's also getting stood up a lot. Providers don't have anywhere to post about clients being unreliable. We post here when we show up and there's no reply from the provider we scheduled with. Because that sucks. And it definitely sucks when it's the other way around, and someone like Tiny is wasting her day on no-shows.

Her comms always have been quick and to the point with me. And when people actually show up she's a hundred percent locked in. We can't complain about deposits when mongers are standing up girls who do great work.[/QUOTE]Not to argue here but I may be one she tells tales about with altered facts.

Comms with her have always been on again off again. Others reported this too so not just me. But before she went silent recently (I understand she is a guest of KC recently) I had 2 separate dates on 2 different days set with her. Come 15 mins before date time I am getting zero responses. Due to her horrible pickup location near MLK its not a quick drive by any stretch for me. So that day I cancelled. Not no-showed. Cancelled via text. Set for next day. Both days I told her I'm on short timeline so no endless "5-more minutes" that turns into 30 mins. This second day I arrive 5 minutes ahead of date time. This time she has comms. The house looks like it should be condemned but there I sit out front. Now comes endless "I'm almost ready" "5 more minutes" "Putting my shoes on" This went on for 35 minutes after our time set. It was 12 minutes after "I'm putting my shoes on". Anyone here take 12 minutes to put on shoes? I don't. After telling her at least 8 x I am short on time, got to go I finally left. She was hurt and shocked. I was polite. Told her nothing personal but I was out of time today. This was true actually. Since then I have zero replies to texts.

Judging by you posting this I am guessing she's pissed at me.

For you single guys with hours to spare this whole "5 more minutes" and "putting my shoes on" that goes on for 30+ minutes may be fine. For me its not. I do not have endless hours on a week night to play.

All that said, yes, all girls I see complain about no-shows and yes, its a real problem. But sorry, my stories above are true and I'll bet she considers me a no-show for not hanging around endlessly past our date times.

[QUOTE=Monger01;7007982]Not to argue here but I may be one she tells tales about with altered facts.

Comms with her have always been on again off again. Others reported this too so not just me. But before she went silent recently (I understand she is a guest of KC recently) I had 2 separate dates on 2 different days set with her. Come 15 mins before date time I am getting zero responses. Due to her horrible pickup location near MLK its not a quick drive by any stretch for me. So that day I cancelled. Not no-showed. Cancelled via text. Set for next day. Both days I told her I'm on short timeline so no endless "5-more minutes" that turns into 30 mins. This second day I arrive 5 minutes ahead of date time. This time she has comms. The house looks like it should be condemned but there I sit out front. Now comes endless "I'm almost ready" "5 more minutes" "Putting my shoes on" This went on for 35 minutes after our time set. It was 12 minutes after "I'm putting my shoes on". Anyone here take 12 minutes to put on shoes? I don't. After telling her at least 8 x I am short on time, got to go I finally left. She was hurt and shocked. I was polite. Told her nothing personal but I was out of time today. This was true actually. Since then I have zero replies to texts.

Judging by you posting this I am guessing she's pissed at me.

For you single guys with hours to spare this whole "5 more minutes" and "putting my shoes on" that goes on for 30+ minutes may be fine. For me its not. I do not have endless hours on a week night to play.

All that said, yes, all girls I see complain about no-shows and yes, its a real problem. But sorry, my stories above are true and I'll bet she considers me a no-show for not hanging around endlessly past our date times.[/QUOTE]Hear you. It was a brief text interaction. No names given. Just her generally expressing frustration. But yeah there's always more to the story. Sorry if I came off like I knew more than I do. Because I don't know much. Didn't even end up seeing her. Sounds like you didn't either. Which sucks.

[QUOTE=OhDirtyBastard;7008268]Hear you. It was a brief text interaction. No names given. Just her generally expressing frustration. But yeah there's always more to the story. Sorry if I came off like I knew more than I do. Because I don't know much. Didn't even end up seeing her. Sounds like you didn't either. Which sucks.[/QUOTE]We're good OhDirty. I just wanted to tell more on Tiny and "no-shows".

[QUOTE=Monger01;7007982]Not to argue here but I may be one she tells tales about with altered facts.

Comms with her have always been on again off again. Others reported this too so not just me. But before she went silent recently (I understand she is a guest of KC recently) I had 2 separate dates on 2 different days set with her. Come 15 mins before date time I am getting zero responses. Due to her horrible pickup location near MLK its not a quick drive by any stretch for me. So that day I cancelled. Not no-showed. Cancelled via text. Set for next day. Both days I told her I'm on short timeline so no endless "5-more minutes" that turns into 30 mins. This second day I arrive 5 minutes ahead of date time. This time she has comms. The house looks like it should be condemned but there I sit out front. Now comes endless "I'm almost ready" "5 more minutes" "Putting my shoes on" This went on for 35 minutes after our time set. It was 12 minutes after "I'm putting my shoes on". Anyone here take 12 minutes to put on shoes? I don't. After telling her at least 8 x I am short on time, got to go I finally left. She was hurt and shocked. I was polite. Told her nothing personal but I was out of time today. This was true actually. Since then I have zero replies to texts.

Judging by you posting this I am guessing she's pissed at me.

For you single guys with hours to spare this whole "5 more minutes" and "putting my shoes on" that goes on for 30+ minutes may be fine. For me its not. I do not have endless hours on a week night to play.

All that said, yes, all girls I see complain about no-shows and yes, its a real problem. But sorry, my stories above are true and I'll bet she considers me a no-show for not hanging around endlessly past our date times.[/QUOTE]
Wow.
That a very gracious way to state your experiences. "Altered facts” uttered by a popular provider. As in dishonest lies. I'm 100% in agreement with the tenor of your post. After plenty of time in this hobby, my friend has learned a few lessons. He ALWAYS used to believe it when a favored provider would tell him about how terrible another client was. White knighting was second nature to him. But then he began to experience the limitations to "provider logic" and "provider honesty". Sitting waiting for an appointment that was never going to happen. Renting a hotel room, only to soon learn he was to enjoy it by himself. Loans that never got repaid. Promises never kept. And to hear from others the twisted story the provider would tell of their "missed connection," blaming him. True he was a sucker. But he didn't mistreat or demean the provider. We should all learn from his mistakes. I'm sure there are a few jerks in our midst. But not many. Most of us are simply looking for fun, for release, or for some type of connection to share. And after a while, we get smart enough to know the complaints we hear about other mongers are 98% false. Even from our favorite providers. Monger on.

Like when you get a PM asking for menu and pricing. You reply in detail then ask the same for a provider that monger just posted about and get no reply. Even as he posts new posts the next 2 days so had to see the Pm.

Pisses me off.

[QUOTE=Monger01;7018430]Like when you get a PM asking for menu and pricing. You reply in detail then ask the same for a provider that monger just posted about and get no reply. Even as he posts new posts the next 2 days so had to see the Pm.

Pisses me off.[/QUOTE]I'm hoping that wasn't me. I did PM you asking about a provider. Got no response from you.

But I posted about a provider later. Maybe you responded. I never received. And if you asked me questions. I had no idea you did. Im assuming the PM system here is as reliable as our ATF providers are with communication.

My question was regarding Isabella. So if you responded. I didn't get it. I still apologize for the frustration. We are literally in this together. We try to help each other. The providers telling tall tales about us doesn't help. Neither does an unreliable PM system. Please try PM again. Or just post your question here. My question about Isabella was about menu options. And pricing. She's very cute and I'd love to see her nude.

[QUOTE=AntBz;7018533]I'm hoping that wasn't me. I did PM you asking about a provider. Got no response from you.

But I posted about a provider later. Maybe you responded. I never received. And if you asked me questions. I had no idea you did. Im assuming the PM system here is as reliable as our ATF providers are with communication.

My question was regarding Isabella. So if you responded. I didn't get it. I still apologize for the frustration. We are literally in this together. We try to help each other. The providers telling tall tales about us doesn't help. Neither does an unreliable PM system. Please try PM again. Or just post your question here. My question about Isabella was about menu options. And pricing. She's very cute and I'd love to see her nude.[/QUOTE]Sent you 3 PMs over several days, one today. No "box full" mssg but maybe it is?

[QUOTE=Monger01;7018983]Sent you 3 PMs over several days, one today. No "box full" mssg but maybe it is?[/QUOTE]I don't know what's going on. Checked my inbox. Zero from you. I sent you a test one. My inbox isn't full.

Who knows?

Anything I can answer here?

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[QUOTE=Monger01;7019421]This is usually about the time A2 pipes in, tells us we're idiots for not just reporting the issue LOL.

Got you 2nd test. But you still don't see my recently sent info on Issabella? Weird![/QUOTE]I PMd you and A2 together just now. Hopefully he can solve it. Seems you can respond to my PMs and I receive them. But if you send initial PM, I don't get the message.

[QUOTE=AntBz;7008908]Wow. That a very gracious way to state your experiences. "Altered facts uttered by a popular provider. As in dishonest lies. I'm 100% in agreement with the tenor of your post. After plenty of time in this hobby, my friend has learned a few lessons. He ALWAYS used to believe it when a favored provider would tell him about how terrible another client was. White knighting was second nature to him. But then he began to experience the limitations to "provider logic" and "provider honesty". Sitting waiting for an appointment that was never going to happen. Renting a hotel room, only to soon learn he was to enjoy it by himself. Loans that never got repaid. Promises never kept. And to hear from others the twisted story the provider would tell of their "missed connection," blaming him. True he was a sucker. But he didn't mistreat or demean the provider. We should all learn from his mistakes. I'm sure there are a few jerks in our midst. But not many. Most of us are simply looking for fun, for release, or for some type of connection to share. And after a while, we get smart enough to know the complaints we hear about other mongers are 98% false. Even from our favorite providers. Monger on.[/QUOTE]I heard of this dude or someone like him from some hos. Straight shooting facts hookers provide goods and service. They don't pay bills hair rent food drugs if your wallet stays shut. Learn to pass on appointment surprise rate just got better! They in for money you in for sex. As soon as you break that shit goes downhill. WGs are WGs not SA not SB not FWB. Hookers hear loan think o baby gift time. Mongers forget facts you stop fucking and you getting fucked!

[BLUE]I just banned a person who had over a thousand reports and had been a member for 20 years because he wouldn't stop scaring guys about posting.

When he did it the first time he got a PM from us saying if you do it again you will get banned.

Let me be really clear on this. LE does not use an anonymous sex forum for leads. The don't because they can't use anything here in court nor to seek warrants to get any information and if you think they don't know who's selling pussy long before you guys do you're crazy.

We run a forum here, not a private message system. I don't care if you were the first motherfucker that joined this forum, if you tell people by posting or PM not to post or imply they shouldn't I will ban you for that every single time because shit like that kills forums like this.

I hope I have been clear enough.

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