I called the # from Washington City Paper the other day and a guy answered "Asian Massage" definitely not an asian guy. Was there activity in Tysons last week?
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I called the # from Washington City Paper the other day and a guy answered "Asian Massage" definitely not an asian guy. Was there activity in Tysons last week?
Went to the place named after a fruit. MMS recognized me, as I've been there several times before. Ask for the girls I'd seen before; all gone.
MMS was very cautious this time. Can't blame them. Tried to push me for a 30 minute appointment, but I opted for an hour.
Saw "Mina", who has a nice face, but with a so-so body. She's from NY and brand new. Massage was mediocre at best. The biggest problem I had was that she asks the tip up front, which is fine if she actually delivers. But a TON of haggling, lots of peeking into the wallet, a bit grabby with the money. And I consider myself a good tipper, better than most, but I found this to be too much. Standard NOVA finish.
PM for details.
[QUOTE=Bostonpeter; 1160685]Went to the place named after a fruit. MMS recognized me, as I've been there several times before. Ask for the girls I'd seen before; all gone.
MMS was very cautious this time. Can't blame them. Tried to push me for a 30 minute appointment, but I opted for an hour.
Saw "Mina", who has a nice face, but with a so-so body. She's from NY and brand new. Massage was mediocre at best. The biggest problem I had was that she asks the tip up front, which is fine if she actually delivers. But a TON of haggling, lots of peeking into the wallet, a bit grabby with the money. And I consider myself a good tipper, better than most, but I found this to be too much. Standard NOVA finish.
PM for details. [/QUOTE]I had the same experience today. Very aggressive for a tip up front. Gave her a Jackson and told her there would be more if she treated me right. Mediocre massage with uninspired NOVA ending. Gave her another Jackson which was probably too much considering the level of service delivered. Hopefully things will get better here but I don't think I will return until I start seeing some positive reviews.
Ortho
[QUOTE=MoonView; 1159942]Ah yes, HWC, those were the days.
MnV[/QUOTE]Remember the frequent flyer program there?
[QUOTE=Newbie3; 1160458]I am very close to Far East so I figured I would go to them. I am looking for adivce about this place & about AMPing.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Go inside, get a massage and report about your experience.
Lovejugs
[QUOTE=Ortho313; 1160699]I had the same experience today. Very aggressive for a tip up front. Gave her a Jackson and told her there would be more if she treated me right. Mediocre massage with uninspired NOVA ending. Gave her another Jackson which was probably too much considering the level of service delivered. Hopefully things will get better here but I don't think I will return until I start seeing some positive reviews.
Ortho[/QUOTE]She got me for a good deal more than two jacksons, and she didn't deliver. At one point I was at literal tug-of-war with money from my wallet before anything happened. She even had the nerve to ask for more afterwards. I have no problem with tipping good for good service, and I'm not pushing for more than the standard NOVA, but this was surprising.
Gents,
I came on here tonight with the express intent to report on Papaya. Yes, it's ok to say the name.
Before I can report, I have to ask, why would anyone ever take their wallet into an AMP? You've got pockets for a reason. House fee goes in the front left. Standard tip in the front right. Extra tip, if it is warranted, in the hip (or chose the pockets that make sense to you). You are there for an hour. Do you need every credit card and form of ID that makes up your wallet? I didn't think so. If you don't pull out your wallet, she can't see what you have in there.
Another thing. If you give her or the mammasan only the house fee up front and don't flash any other cash, then you'll probably avoid the upcharge hassle. I never get hassled. And if a girl came in and started a conversation about tipping before she worked the kinks out of my body, then she'd find herself in the unemployed line in the back room of the AMP and another girl would be getting her tip. As little or as much as I deemed reasonable.
I went to Papaya twice in the last few weeks and found two very adorable ladies in their early 30s who had great features, great attitudes, great massage skills, and great social skills. I left very happy both times and so did they. But I was not pressed for anything up front or at the end. Yes, Mammasan knows me, told the girls I am a good customer, and I was treated very well. Reputation has its rewards.
Papaya brings in girls from NYC quite often. These girls are often shocked by the smaller amount of money they can make here as opposed to NYC. Sometimes they only last a few days. Sometimes, they get a string of guys who treat them with respect and appreciation (also called Southern Hospitality) and it makes up for some of the lost profit. I'm doing my part to remember where they are coming from and I hope they appreciate my gentle ways. I am not able to pay NYC prices and wouldn't if I could. This isn't NYC. But I understand that they won't stick around long if we treat them like we're a bunch of damned Yankees rather than the gentrified pigs that we are.
Thus endeth the lesson,
AD.
[QUOTE=Bostonpeter;1160755]She got me for a good deal more than two jacksons, and she didn't deliver. At one point I was at literal tug-of-war with money from my wallet before anything happened. She even had the nerve to ask for more afterwards. I have no problem with tipping good for good service, and I'm not pushing for more than the standard NOVA, but this was surprising.[/QUOTE]
I specifically didn't say "Papaya" because, as I've mentioned, they were trying to be low-key and are being very cautious (and for a legitimate reason). I thought, that folks around here that would know where I was referring to (and I was available for PM). But also, being that everything I had to say wasn't completely positive, I thought a little discretion would be considerate.
As far as tipping, as I've said, I feel I tip better than most here. My thoughts on this, and what I usually tip, are on this thread if you search for it. As far as 'flashing cash', I haven't. But if you must know I tipped $80 for a nova finish up front, but she grabbed an extra $20 out of my wallet, much to my dismay, then asked for more tip afterwards.
Since this has been discussed in thread before, I don't think fair of what is considered 'standard' in tip in Nova. We have to understand that tip is pretty much all the girls make. And, yes, there are bad tippers galore in this area, which is why girls end up asking for money up front (and not just girls from NY). However, in the same vein, good service equals good tipping; even for a nova finish. And I sure hope that folks here have that level of respect for the girls.
[QUOTE=Alpha D; 1160890]Gents,
I came on here tonight with the express intent to report on Papaya. Yes, it's ok to say the name.
Before I can report, I have to ask, why would anyone ever take their wallet into an AMP? You've got pockets for a reason. House fee goes in the front left. Standard tip in the front right. Extra tip, if it is warranted, in the hip (or chose the pockets that make sense to you). You are there for an hour. Do you need every credit card and form of I'd that makes up your wallet? I didn't think so. If you don't pull out your wallet, she can't see what you have in there.
Another thing. If you give her or the mammasan only the house fee up front and don't flash any other cash, then you'll probably avoid the upcharge hassle. I never get hassled. And if a girl came in and started a conversation about tipping before she worked the kinks out of my body, then she'd find herself in the unemployed line in the back room of the AMP and another girl would be getting her tip. As little or as much as I deemed reasonable.
I went to Papaya twice in the last few weeks and found two very adorable ladies in their early 30s who had great features, great attitudes, great massage skills, and great social skills. I left very happy both times and so did they. But I was not pressed for anything up front or at the end. Yes, Mammasan knows me, told the girls I am a good customer, and I was treated very well. Reputation has its rewards.
Papaya brings in girls from NYC quite often. These girls are often shocked by the smaller amount of money they can make here as opposed to NYC. Sometimes they only last a few days. Sometimes, they get a string of guys who treat them with respect and appreciation (also called Southern Hospitality) and it makes up for some of the lost profit. I'm doing my part to remember where they are coming from and I hope they appreciate my gentle ways. I am not able to pay NYC prices and wouldn't if I could. This isn't NYC. But I understand that they won't stick around long if we treat them like we're a bunch of damned Yankees rather than the gentrified pigs that we are.
Thus endeth the lesson,
AD. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mustang946;1160706]Remember the frequent flyer program there?[/QUOTE]Love that program.
$80 tip for standard nova finish seems quite ridiculous to me. For me $80 tip means provider is good-looking, completely disrobes and performs CBJ and / or Russian w / lots of nude grinding. This has happened on occasion and providers were satisfied w/$80 tip.
[QUOTE=Bostonpeter; 1160940]I specifically didn't say "Papaya" because, as I've mentioned, they were trying to be low-key and are being very cautious (and for a legitimate reason). I thought, that folks around here that would know where I was referring to (and I was available for PM). But also, being that everything I had to say wasn't completely positive, I thought a little discretion would be considerate.
As far as tipping, as I've said, I feel I tip better than most here. My thoughts on this, and what I usually tip, are on this thread if you search for it. As far as 'flashing cash', I haven't. But if you must know I tipped $80 for a nova finish up front, but she grabbed an extra $20 out of my wallet, much to my dismay, then asked for more tip afterwards.
Since this has been discussed in thread before, I don't think fair of what is considered 'standard' in tip in Nova. We have to understand that tip is pretty much all the girls make. And, yes, there are bad tippers galore in this area, which is why girls end up asking for money up front (and not just girls from NY). However, in the same vein, good service equals good tipping; even for a nova finish. And I sure hope that folks here have that level of respect for the girls.[/QUOTE]
I have played in NYC and I am sorry to say you are wrong. The girls there ARE younger and more serving. NYC (Queens) is like the starting point for many and if you tell the MMS anything less than a good they will take care of you better, event to put you back in a room with another girl. None of this "next time" BS.
I am sorry, as for prices the TIPS rate are the same here and there so please, if you are talking to the girls about what they get in NY, and they say they do better, DO NOT BELIEVE IT!
OK, I have not been about to get back up to NY in over a year but dating back to early 2010 none of what I mentioned above was different. NYC + AMP (K normally) = younger more attentive for <= $.8.
Sorry to advise but most of the time when they are here they are already older and wiser. They have learnt to play the games. By the time they are working here many have new model headlamps because they know they will not get the attention they once had. By the time they are here they know they are winding down on a "career" and they need to suck up the last remaining $$$$$ they can.
Please do not be fooled. If is great you guys are not into young and vibrant girls but if you played a month in NY you will see a big difference. You are luck because I was forced to adjust coming to VA / DC area and this was difficult.
[QUOTE=Alpha D; 1160890]Gents,
I came on here tonight with the express intent to report on Papaya. Yes, it's ok to say the name.
Before I can report, I have to ask, why would anyone ever take their wallet into an AMP? You've got pockets for a reason. House fee goes in the front left. Standard tip in the front right. Extra tip, if it is warranted, in the hip (or chose the pockets that make sense to you). You are there for an hour. Do you need every credit card and form of I'd that makes up your wallet? I didn't think so. If you don't pull out your wallet, she can't see what you have in there.
Another thing. If you give her or the mammasan only the house fee up front and don't flash any other cash, then you'll probably avoid the upcharge hassle. I never get hassled. And if a girl came in and started a conversation about tipping before she worked the kinks out of my body, then she'd find herself in the unemployed line in the back room of the AMP and another girl would be getting her tip. As little or as much as I deemed reasonable.
I went to Papaya twice in the last few weeks and found two very adorable ladies in their early 30s who had great features, great attitudes, great massage skills, and great social skills. I left very happy both times and so did they. But I was not pressed for anything up front or at the end. Yes, Mammasan knows me, told the girls I am a good customer, and I was treated very well. Reputation has its rewards.
Papaya brings in girls from NYC quite often. These girls are often shocked by the smaller amount of money they can make here as opposed to NYC. Sometimes they only last a few days. Sometimes, they get a string of guys who treat them with respect and appreciation (also called Southern Hospitality) and it makes up for some of the lost profit. I'm doing my part to remember where they are coming from and I hope they appreciate my gentle ways. I am not able to pay NYC prices and wouldn't if I could. This isn't NYC. But I understand that they won't stick around long if we treat them like we're a bunch of damned Yankees rather than the gentrified pigs that we are.
Thus endeth the lesson,
AD. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Donkey King;1161233]$80 tip for standard nova finish seems quite ridiculous to me. For me $80 tip means provider is good-looking, completely disrobes and performs CBJ and / or Russian w / lots of nude grinding. This has happened on occasion and providers were satisfied w/$80 tip.[/QUOTE]I generally tip $60-80 for standard nova. I tip for overall quality of service (including the massage itself). Personally I don't tip $40 like some are suggesting for an hours worth of time and work. 30 minutes with a crap massage, $40 is fine in my book, but not for an hour. A great long massage with a nova finish deserves an $80 in my book. In fact, in reality, the massage takes more energy and care than the just a quick finish.
Tips is all what the girl really gets, and I really don't think it fair that the house gets more than the girl. In this case I am in agreement with Alpha D.
As far as Mina, I gave $80 in expectation and agreement of a quality massage. This did not transpire as the massage was rushed. My upper-body was taken care of, but my legs (which were hurting) was not.
I would also like to add, if CBJ, grinding, whatever, is what you are after there are better applications of your funds than NOVA AMPs. AMP's services are far too hit and miss for that, and there are plenty of girls on BP that can accommodate you for that price (or cheaper). Tipping based on those criteria pushes these girls to act the way they do.
There is more to the AMP experience than that.
[QUOTE=Justforme; 1161283]I have played in NYC and I am sorry to say you are wrong. The girls there ARE younger and more serving. NYC (Queens) is like the starting point for many and if you tell the MMS anything less than a good they will take care of you better, event to put you back in a room with another girl. None of this "next time" BS.
I am sorry, as for prices the TIPS rate are the same here and there so please, if you are talking to the girls about what they get in NY, and they say they do better, DO NOT BELIEVE IT!
OK, I have not been about to get back up to NY in over a year but dating back to early 2010 none of what I mentioned above was different. NYC + AMP (K normally) = younger more attentive for <= $.8.
Sorry to advise but most of the time when they are here they are already older and wiser. They have learnt to play the games. By the time they are working here many have new model headlamps because they know they will not get the attention they once had. By the time they are here they know they are winding down on a "career" and they need to suck up the last remaining $$$$$ they can.
Please do not be fooled. If is great you guys are not into young and vibrant girls but if you played a month in NY you will see a big difference. You are luck because I was forced to adjust coming to VA / DC area and this was difficult. [/QUOTE]Back in the day, before all the "unpleasantness", DC was about like what you describe in NYC (I. E., service, satisfaction & hotties were the expected). It's too bad we have to settle for the current norm but it's all we got! And if some don't believe me just read the old postings, (E. G., I really miss those B to B table showers w / benefits and that was before the main event). Now those were the days!
MnV
[QUOTE=Bostonpeter; 1161610]I generally tip $60-80 for standard nova. I tip for overall quality of service (including the massage itself). Personally I don't tip $40 like some are suggesting for an hours worth of time and work. 30 minutes with a crap massage, $40 is fine in my book, but not for an hour. A great long massage with a nova finish deserves an $80 in my book. In fact, in reality, the massage takes more energy and care than the just a quick finish.
Tips is all what the girl really gets, and I really don't think it fair that the house gets more than the girl. In this case I am in agreement with Alpha D.
As far as Mina, I gave $80 in expectation and agreement of a quality massage. This did not transpire as the massage was rushed. My upper-body was taken care of, but my legs (which were hurting) was not.
I would also like to add, if CBJ, grinding, whatever, is what you are after there are better applications of your funds than NOVA AMPs. AMP's services are far too hit and miss for that, and there are plenty of girls on BP that can accommodate you for that price (or cheaper). Tipping based on those criteria pushes these girls to act the way they do.
There is more to the AMP experience than that.[/QUOTE]Just out of curiosity. How much do you tip for therapeutic massage?
I ask because I tip $20 for a good therapeutic massage. So $40 for a basic sensual massage w / standard NOVA finish (HE) is double that. Essentially the provider is getting $20 extra for a few minutes of massaging where therapeutic providers don't go.
Not trying to start a debate, anyone is entitled to tip whatever he wants to tip. I was just wondering if you tip $40 for a strictly therapeutic massage?
I dropped into Red Apple in the morning and for the first time noticed their rather bold sign on the office park listing by the road. They are open again in a nice facility downstairs. Mama is quite old but very friendly. My therapist, who was so unremarkable that I didn't bother to get her name, was much younger (30 ish?) but not one to let the scent of tips get in the way of her wanting to be somewhere else. Her TS was ok, as was her massage, but nothing more than ok. Near the end she asked me how much I usually tip and I said. 4.6 depending on how good things get. She took the. 4 option for the next few uninspiring minutes spent, and out the door I went. Yak
Covers Therapeutic Massage, can I get the to cover my next visit and then only worry about the TIPS? Over tipping does not always lead to better service. It is like with restaurants; too many wait staff have been shafted so many restaurants now add the TIPS to some or all the bills. This does not INSURE PROPER SERVICE, it just insures a plate will get to the table.
I still say start with. 4 for a hug / hand shake and increase and decrease from there based on the service, the truth in advertising and / or the enjoyment of the experience. I know for me attention and contact is very important, the extra attention and cuddle I might get causes the bills in my wallet to rub their eye as they see light. Poor / unattentive service causes them to sleep longer.
Many here think the reason we do not get the quality of, say an NY is because we do not tip enough here, I can tell you that is false. You might here that from the girls here but that is one way they are suckering you for a bigger tip. Trust this, we accept so we get what we get.
I know many of you, here in NOVA enjoy the more "experienced / seasoned" provided, so this is what we are getting.
Enjoy what you enjoy and hope everyone finds what they like.
[QUOTE=Donkey King; 1161811]Just out of curiosity. How much do you tip for therapeutic massage?
I ask because I tip $20 for a good therapeutic massage. So $40 for a basic sensual massage w / standard NOVA finish (HE) is double that. Essentially the provider is getting $20 extra for a few minutes of massaging where therapeutic providers don't go.
Not trying to start a debate, anyone is entitled to tip whatever he wants to tip. I was just wondering if you tip $40 for a strictly therapeutic massage? [/QUOTE]
I was here from 2003. 2004 and I found all I wanted, nice good people who you enjoyed visiting. Of all cultures; it was a real education!
[QUOTE=MoonView; 1161803]Back in the day, before all the "unpleasantness", DC was about like what you describe in NYC (I. E, service, satisfaction & hotties were the expected). It's too bad we have to settle for the current norm but it's all we got! And if some don't believe me just read the old postings, (E. G, I really miss those B to B table showers w / benefits and that was before the main event). Now those were the days!
MnV[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Donkey King; 1161811]Just out of curiosity. How much do you tip for therapeutic massage?
I ask because I tip $20 for a good therapeutic massage. So $40 for a basic sensual massage w / standard NOVA finish (HE) is double that. Essentially the provider is getting $20 extra for a few minutes of massaging where therapeutic providers don't go.
Not trying to start a debate, anyone is entitled to tip whatever he wants to tip. I was just wondering if you tip $40 for a strictly therapeutic massage? [/QUOTE]For an average therapeutic massage, my tip is based on the location and price of the original massage itself. A massage in a mall is different from a massage as room service in a hotel, or an independent therapist.
BTW, on a side note, I once got a HE at a very reputable hotel once before.
But the big difference between a NOVA AMP and a standard therapist is the risk involved for the girls (which can be serious). Worse, the girls usually get near nothing of the house pay. They don't get a fixed reliable salary compared to if they worked at some day spa. HE, or more, the overall level of service is a very different experience.
I don't go based on bulletpoint criteria of all the 'extras'. I go by the overall experience, if I can relax and spend an hour, and truly enjoy myself I'll tip well regardless of if I get the 'extras'. I'll tell you that I've had some pretty horrid BP experiences that hit those bullet points.
But again, for Nova, there are much cheaper options if you want BJ or FS then an AMP. Its different economics and a different experience.
At the same time, a bad experience is a bad experience, and a tip should justify that. Which is the experience I shared here. Though I didn't intend on making it such an extensive discussion.
Been lurking this site for a long time but just recently registered. I've only had one AMP experience and it was while on vacation in Hawaii. Decided to do it on a whim and got hooked-but from what I have read I think I may have ended up with a rare / fantastic first experience (CBJ, FS, HE) with a young girl in her mid 20's. I walked in and the mamasan exclaimed about how young I was, and told me she had someone nice and young for me. If anyone ever vacations to Waikiki, look for the Apple and ask about Momo.
My birthday is coming up, so I might as well celebrate that and my new job in style. Thinking of scoping out MWC, BKY or something similar. Will report back once I do.
Lisa: 35yo. Cute / petite / milky white and silky skin / perfectly cute hands and feet=generally just about right=10.
Massage: 5.
Tip. 6.
Only had 40 minutes-was my own fault. From 1996-2005 my internal clock would have me finished at exactly 55 minutes. No discussion about tip=happy customer. Recommend for an extra nice NOVA experience. Will return when I save up again.
[QUOTE=Donkey King;1161233]$80 tip for standard nova finish seems quite ridiculous to me. For me $80 tip means provider is good-looking, completely disrobes and performs CBJ and / or Russian w / lots of nude grinding. This has happened on occasion and providers were satisfied w/$80 tip.[/QUOTE]Ditto. Haven't been in the MP scene much in a few years, but that fare should be for nearly a full course meal!
Not so many years ago. You were paying for a decent massage AND the hug was a given.
With a tip of. 2 or so being more than adequate for standard service....
Reading what's going on now - think i'll keep my $ for the few places left in DC !
Seriously, if folks here are leaving $20 as tip I'm beginning to understand why so many of these gals are asking for the tip up front.
Now, I'm beginning to feel bad for criticizing them as I have.
But I think more should be leaving $20 or less as TIPS until the MMS realize some of us want more. I love a massage started with the table shower on to firm muscle manipulation and then the tingling tickle.
But dude I do not want my grandma massaging me. I also do not want to be hussled and I DO NOT want to hear next time. I was always the fool who tipped because I did not want to lower the standard (did not try to raise the standard either) but after the 10th time I heard "Better next time" or "more time next time" I responded "TIP NEXT TIME" and since then I did not feel bad about tiping as to what I feel the service is worth. You who want a massage from my grandma I will dig her up for you but I need a bit more variety and an infusion of youth.
Stop blaming those who are disappointed and start pointing fingers are the providers and houses themselves. Many might tip more should they leave satisfied, I have no ofter.
[QUOTE=Bostonpeter; 1162886]Seriously, if folks here are leaving $20 as tip I'm beginning to understand why so many of these gals are asking for the tip up front.
Now, I'm beginning to feel bad for criticizing them as I have. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Justforme; 1163230]But I think more should be leaving $20 or less as TIPS until the MMS realize some of us want more. I love a massage started with the table shower on to firm muscle manipulation and then the tingling tickle.
But dude I do not want my grandma massaging me. I also do not want to be hussled and I DO NOT want to hear next time. I was always the fool who tipped because I did not want to lower the standard (did not try to raise the standard either) but after the 10th time I heard "Better next time" or "more time next time" I responded "TIP NEXT TIME" and since then I did not feel bad about tiping as to what I feel the service is worth. You who want a massage from my grandma I will dig her up for you but I need a bit more variety and an infusion of youth.
Stop blaming those who are disappointed and start pointing fingers are the providers and houses themselves. Many might tip more should they leave satisfied, I have no ofter. [/QUOTE]No no no, if she ask for the tip from me (upfront) , I simply say thank you for the shower and I roll out, then most say, ok ok ok, but take care of me and I simply say "I told you that I will"
[QUOTE=Dtaylor1972; 1162816]Ditto. Haven't been in the MP scene much in a few years, but that fare should be for nearly a full course meal!
Not so many years ago. You were paying for a decent massage AND the hug was a given.
With a tip of. 2 or so being more than adequate for standard service.
Reading what's going on now. Think I'll keep my $ for the few places left in DC! [/QUOTE]40$ HE. 70-80$ BJ. 100$ FS. 60-70$. Disrobe, suck breast, etc.
[QUOTE=Zhuxi;1161198]Love that program.[/QUOTE]Yeah, they had a good Frequent Flyer Program down on I Street and by the Verizon Center back in the day.
[QUOTE=Newbie3; 1160458]I am very close to Far East so I figured I would go to them. I am looking for adivce about this place & about AMPing.
Thanks[/QUOTE]TOFTT, trust me, if you TOFTT, you will be rewarded.
[QUOTE=Bostonpeter; 1160940]I specifically didn't say "Papaya" because, as I've mentioned, they were trying to be low-key and are being very cautious (and for a legitimate reason). I thought, that folks around here that would know where I was referring to (and I was available for PM). But also, being that everything I had to say wasn't completely positive, I thought a little discretion would be considerate.
As far as tipping, as I've said, I feel I tip better than most here. My thoughts on this, and what I usually tip, are on this thread if you search for it. As far as 'flashing cash', I haven't. But if you must know I tipped $80 for a nova finish up front, but she grabbed an extra $20 out of my wallet, much to my dismay, then asked for more tip afterwards.
Since this has been discussed in thread before, I don't think fair of what is considered 'standard' in tip in Nova. We have to understand that tip is pretty much all the girls make. And, yes, there are bad tippers galore in this area, which is why girls end up asking for money up front (and not just girls from NY). However, in the same vein, good service equals good tipping; even for a nova finish. And I sure hope that folks here have that level of respect for the girls. [/QUOTE]Hell, don't be afraid to say NO. They tell us NO! Yank your wallet away from her. And tell her striaght up, you know whats up for One hundred bones.
[QUOTE=Fatpig; 1157567]Hit up the new spot in herndon. Nice location in office park. Easy to get to. Two door setup for discretion. Providers answer the door. They are new. 1 week so far. Only 2 ladies working there now. Angie and another. Both are decent looking. Most here will like. Shower was nice and through. I was going to be happy. Sauna is ok but has a window to the outside? Very weird. Massage was ok. A bit lighter than I like but what can you do. She was playful the entire time. Then for the flip she comes to my head and asks how much I have. This pisses me off anytime. I said I have enough to cover what comes. She kept at it. So I said 60. She said that minimum. CRAZY. So she give standard with no play on my end. I give her 40 at the end and she was a bit pushy. I told her, I will take care of you more, if you take care of me more.
YMMV.
Of the 4 places in herndon I rate this one second highest next to Herndon Therapy. If they get nicer girls it will be top notch. Honto of course being the bottom of the barrel.
Need more details? PM me. Those that have shared with me in the past or share always get priority treatment from me.[/QUOTE]Decided to try the place out since a friend of mine went last week and said his experience was unlike yours. The young lady I saw was from the old Aroma, we recongnized one another. All I can say is that I actually had a good time. TS Above avg, Massage avg to above (depending on what you like) , Standard NOVA with lots of postiontion changes. Different types of HE's on her part, little foot fetish on those nice feet, see-cups up stairs. Damn I forgot to ask what name she's using here, but I will let you know next time I go.
[QUOTE=Justforme; 1163230]But I think more should be leaving $20 or less as TIPS until the MMS realize some of us want more. I love a massage started with the table shower on to firm muscle manipulation and then the tingling tickle.
But dude I do not want my grandma massaging me. I also do not want to be hussled and I DO NOT want to hear next time. I was always the fool who tipped because I did not want to lower the standard (did not try to raise the standard either) but after the 10th time I heard "Better next time" or "more time next time" I responded "TIP NEXT TIME" and since then I did not feel bad about tiping as to what I feel the service is worth. You who want a massage from my grandma I will dig her up for you but I need a bit more variety and an infusion of youth.
Stop blaming those who are disappointed and start pointing fingers are the providers and houses themselves. Many might tip more should they leave satisfied, I have no ofter. [/QUOTE]The MMS doesn't care what we tip, only that we pay for the house fee up front. The MMS and girls that work there have different perspectives.
The economic situation is that if the girls don't make money in NOVA they just leave for greener pastures. At least the young and pretty ones that give good service, and are able to make money, leaving us with a older ladies that have worse service remaining.
The reality is that most ladies in this business aren't really tied down to a specific area. If business is better in NY, Jersey, Georgia, or LA; they'll go there. Word gets around between girls how much money there is to be made in different areas. Its a risk / benefit equation where they decide to work. The good girls always have the upper hand over the MMS.
But I really didn't want to start a conversation about tipping. And in earnest it was originally me who was blaming the girl for poor performance relative to tipping. And again, tipping based on overall performance is important, bad service should equal a tip that is representative of that.
But at the same time, tipping the girl poorly is not a great way for you to get your point across to the MMS. It just means girls will got elsewhere. If it means that 'grandma' with poor service leave, I have no problem with that, but hopefully people are tipping properly when service is actually good (regardless if its a nova finish or not)
[QUOTE=Computer Luvvv;1163273]40$ HE. 70-80$ BJ. 100$ FS. 60-70$. Disrobe, suck breast, etc.[/QUOTE]No problem w / tips for GOOD service. But when it's expected up front and haggled over for bare minimum service. We have lost all control.
And damn sure don't let one get away w / taking $ out of your wallet / pocket. EVER!
[QUOTE=Computer Luvvv;1163273]40$ HE. 70-80$ BJ. 100$ FS. 60-70$. Disrobe, suck breast, etc.[/QUOTE]It has been a long time since I have mongered in Va. Mostly because of the Nova finish. I don't mind spending the money for FS, but it is relatively hard to justify that much money for a HJ or a BJ, with old providers, (even though I've done it before). Like the mongers that have reported here before, most of these women are fast approaching AARP status, even though they hide it very well.
For a few dollars more you can get a young, attractive and well reviewed escort in the are. You can even go to the condos. I am not trying to stir things up, I just do not see the cost / benefit ratio.
Propilot-Always check your six.
I went over in the early morn. Downstairs door was open but the upstairs was locked. Nobody answered my knock. Thats the 2rd time I've been there on a weekend and no one was there. Maybe they are only open during the week?
Lurker for years, first post. Haven't read much about this place, so here is the 411. Been there many times. Same 3 therapists always rotating. Since the first visit I always request Nancy. Average build, early 30's, perk tatas. Damage always. 8 in plus. 8 for great BBBJCIM. Stopped going recently, she got use to me and got lazy. TS ok, massage, ok too. Nothing special.
I don't write up here that much due to the fact that my hobby is more of the doing than writing. However, I think it's only fair to give back to the community. This month has been a busy one for me so I decided to drop in on a place off of Braddock and visit a place that once was blue but now green. Haven't been in a while but I decided to venture back since several months or maybe closer to a year has passed and I wanted to see if there was a young little spinner mid 20's by the name of Sasha was still there. Unfortunately, she's no longer there (But if any of you know who and where she's at please let me know). Now that my dream has turned green I decided to re-test the waters. That day they were staffed two deep so I went with the younger and better looking MMS named Linda for an hour at standard rate. She was in her mid 40's. 5'2" 125lbs. Off to the TS, since it's turned green the TS room has improved. Back to the room and started the massage which was on par. Before the flip was a buttocks and inner thigh massage that was unbelievable. On the flip she provided an even better massage showing that she's picked up a few skills in her day and allowed me to roam freely. Exactly. 60 min later the massage was done and I was out the door. Overall I give it a 7. If the provider was about 20yrs younger I would give it a 9. 5.
Went to the courthouse in Tysons. Paid for the hour and got a new girl Marie who looked 30 something. Standard NOVA finish, she did allow me to take the top off and roam there. The massage was good.
What other business would you support if they gave bad service? If you give good, consistent service, you don't even have to try to get a following. First off, all their tips are tax free. You think they actually report tips or even pay taxes for that matter? Second, let's just say for turds and giggles you give a 40 tip for, let's be real, about five minutes of finish time. That a rate of 480 / hr. Even more if the customer tips higher. 500 a day is not at all unreal. And yes I know some days are slower, but on the other hand some days are better. It is not at all hard for good talent to make a great living, some better than ours. So, if the talent gives poor service (and that includes letting the Mamasan dictate ripping off of time) , why let their life benefit from it. I for one say Nay.
This is a scale that I have always gone by (a given that TS / Massage / Attitude / Time paid for was Good) :
.2 No finish (my choice)
.4 .5 Standard NOVA finish.
.5 .6 BJ
.6 .8 BBJ / BBJCIM.
.10 .12 FS.
Disrobe and Nursing should be standard on all xtras IMO.
This is my general scale. Sometimes tip a little more if service is SPECTACULAR.
Poor Service (this assumes TS / Massage / Attitude was just satisfactory) :
Paying for 1 hour / getting 30 minutes. Minimum: minus .2 to talent.
Fake BJ after said would do real. HJ tip.
Agree on BJ, but she does very briefly. I tell her she will get lower tip unless she does what agreed on (HJ tip)
Agrees on FS but dictating to finish. Finish. BBJ tip
Obvious not into it / painfully boring. Minus .1 .2
AND NEVER TIP UP FRONT. OR IF YOU DO AND GET RIPPED DON'T COMPLAIN.
These are general rules and just my opinion. Unfortunately, the only way we can speak out is to tip talent less. Not always fair, but I can't be faulted if talent won't stand up for herself and tell Mamasan to be more professional.
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As mentioned before, I've had good luck with apple orchards so I decided to try my luck at one in NOVA. First time doing an AMP in NOVA (and only second AMP ever). Called for an appointment, after I said I had never been before I was told to just walk in.
Walked in and was shown to a room, waited for about 15 and Rose came in. Late 40's, average looking, but very cold."Massage? $80." then I was lead into another room, and asked if I wanted a TS. I said yes, since I had never had one before. Let me just say that if all TS experiences are like mine was, I don't think anyone would bother rating them because everyone would know they were terrible. All business.
Massage was extremely good. Back walking, lots of attention to my shoulders, neck and arms. 7/10. Tried to talk to her a little, to warm her up, but was met with short, brief responses (along with a few condescending laughs). She was loudly chewing gum the entire time, too, which was annoying.
Flip, standard NOVA finish. Minimum wandering allowed. .8 to MMS. 4 to Rose. I might try the location again, but definitely not this talent. Feeling a bit burned out / gipped, may spring to try again after this experience fades.
First, thanks all for the great intel on this site.
River: saw BeBe, Korean, mid to late 30s, shortish hair, around 5'6" and average in looks. She would be more accurately named DD, very nice set, available for nursing. I went in on a Monday, mid-afternoon, about 4 weeks ago. She was very playful from the outset, which I like as it lightens the mood. Met me at the door and grabbed my ass and laughed as we walked back to the room. Same fun vibe at the TS, thorough cleaning, and a little banter. Got one of the better massages I've received. Not YoYo class, but still good. She took her time, worked on all areas from head to feet. Nice and hard. She knows what she's doing and doesn't take short-cuts. She likes to kid, told me I have big ass. I really enjoyed the flip as her top came off immediately and I nursed and played with her tits. She began a nice massage that segued into a good soft touch. Standard NOVA finish. I left feeling not only satisfied but happy. I enjoyed her company.
[QUOTE=Oppen; 1163984]First, thanks all for the great intel on this site.
River: saw BeBe, Korean, mid to late 30s, shortish hair, around 5'6" and average in looks. She would be more accurately named DD, very nice set, available for nursing. I went in on a Monday, mid-afternoon, about 4 weeks ago. She was very playful from the outset, which I like as it lightens the mood. Met me at the door and grabbed my ass and laughed as we walked back to the room. Same fun vibe at the TS, thorough cleaning, and a little banter. Got one of the better massages I've received. Not YoYo class, but still good. She took her time, worked on all areas from head to feet. Nice and hard. She knows what she's doing and doesn't take short-cuts. She likes to kid, told me I have big ass. I really enjoyed the flip as her top came off immediately and I nursed and played with her tits. She began a nice massage that segued into a good soft touch. Standard NOVA finish. I left feeling not only satisfied but happy. I enjoyed her company. [/QUOTE]Are you sure you don't mean Y#M* The only one I know there that is a natural DD.
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