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[QUOTE=DrPepper2976;5495323]Am I right in assuming its never good to use credit cards with agencies like Modeling Ave?
(I admit I did it with 2 kg because the girl had the credit card reader phone attachment like small stores and I never had other charges. So I guess I'm not sure how to determine if an agency is trustworthy or not.).[/QUOTE]There is a GQ or ESPN article about how to be a college football booster, the main theme of the article was. If you're doing something illegal pay in cash.
Ripoff. Seemed cool over text, promised services before meeting, then reneged after getting the money. Total dead fish in bed and couldn't go 20 seconds without hitting her vape or checking her phone. Bitchy attitude and kept trying to rush the clock. Easily my worst experience in years, but I was stupid and thinking with the wrong head LOL.
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[QUOTE=DrPepper2976;5495323]Am I right in assuming its never good to use credit cards with agencies like Modeling Ave?
(I admit I did it with 2 kg because the girl had the credit card reader phone attachment like small stores and I never had other charges. So I guess I'm not sure how to determine if an agency is trustworthy or not.).[/QUOTE]I've never used a CC with Modeling Avenue (I didn't even know Sandra took credit cards) but I have with 2 kg and another agency and I don't think it's a big deal. The business name that shows up on the credit card bill is always something totally benign like a cleaning service or a generic consulting firm, so it's easy to fly under the radar. It's not like it's going to show up on your credit card bill as "Prostitute service" LOL.
Beware of Instagram scammers. Sending deposits or having you buy a gift card and then have you send a photograph of it. They do not need the pin code to drain it.
My recommendation is to amuse yourselves waisting as much of their time as possible. They will say anything in text to get you to advance money.
Jenny24434 is an example of one of these thieves. BTW, the will appeal to you saying, it is for their own safety.
DO NOT GET RIPPED OFF.
[QUOTE=Nduchali;5533455]I've never used a CC with Modeling Avenue (I didn't even know Sandra took credit cards) but I have with 2 kg and another agency and I don't think it's a big deal. The business name that shows up on the credit card bill is always something totally benign like a cleaning service or a generic consulting firm, so it's easy to fly under the radar. It's not like it's going to show up on your credit card bill as "Prostitute service" LOL.[/QUOTE]It won't be a big deal until someone ties names to the credit card numbers and then ties them to an escort agency and then posts it on the internet so your name comes up tied to an escort agency in google searches. At that point maybe it is a big deal and maybe it isn't depending on your career and relationship status. Me Ill stick to cash.
[QUOTE=CGuy2;5535488]Beware of Instagram scammers. Sending deposits or having you buy a gift card and then have you send a photograph of it. They do not need the pin code to drain it.
My recommendation is to amuse yourselves waisting as much of their time as possible. They will say anything in text to get you to advance money.
Jenny24434 is an example of one of these thieves. BTW, the will appeal to you saying, it is for their own safety.
DO NOT GET RIPPED OFF.[/QUOTE]Annoying, but as you said a lot of fun to mess with.
[QUOTE=Nduchali;5533297]Ripoff. Seemed cool over text, promised services before meeting, then reneged after getting the money. Total dead fish in bed and couldn't go 20 seconds without hitting her vape or checking her phone. Bitchy attitude and kept trying to rush the clock. Easily my worst experience in years, but I was stupid and thinking with the wrong head LOL.
[URL]https://callescort.org/309-550-6549[/URL]
[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/66811401[/URL][/QUOTE]I had pretty much the same experience a couple of weeks ago. Talks herself up but when you get there she wants nothing to do with you. It was so bad I ended up leaving after 10 minutes. Worst experience in years.
[QUOTE=Nduchali;5533297]Ripoff. Seemed cool over text, promised services before meeting, then reneged after getting the money. Total dead fish in bed and couldn't go 20 seconds without hitting her vape or checking her phone. Bitchy attitude and kept trying to rush the clock. Easily my worst experience in years, but I was stupid and thinking with the wrong head LOL.
[URL]https://callescort.org/309-550-6549[/URL]
[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/66811401[/URL][/QUOTE]I'll bet this will be the last time you pay a WG upfront.
[QUOTE=Brody17;5536698]Annoying, but as you said a lot of fun to mess with.[/QUOTE]I have heard that line too. Also that they don't take cash because they were once robbed by doing so or that they were hit with a bunch of fake bills. I don't believe that I have ever had any fake bills in my possession. What do you feel is behind all this? BTW, the girl you mentioned was listed as being in Austin, not Chicago.
Texted back and forth with Scarlett and agreed to meet for 200 HH BB. Got to the hotel and chatted for a while outside then went inside the room. Made more conversation inside the room and gave the donation then she got a phone call. That's when she said she had to go to the front desk and never came back.
[QUOTE=RonM;5537084]I'll bet this will be the last time you pay a WG upfront.[/QUOTE]A few years back I picked up this SW near Lincoln & Devon. Gave her .6 and drove off to crack house. Groped me 4 a sec and promised 2 return. Fifteen minutes goes by and I'm ready to write it off. She comes flying out to my car, gets in and apologizes. I told her I thought she was ditching me. In a moment of honesty she told she had planned to but after feeling me up she wanted to experience the Ivory Python! She asked 4 another. 6 and I can fuck her all night long. We head to her shithole and dives for my schlong. She's gagging the whole way and asks if I'm a one shot guy. I assure her "No" and I blow in her mouth. She jets out after I park. I thoughts she was going to run but just gets out to spit. While inside her dump she lights up, disrobes and tells me to pound her pussy. She exhales as I part her canal. She screams in ecstasy and drops the pipe. A few pumps later and she's gushing like a guy. She turns over in mish and tells me to give her that big dick! She's maybe 5' tall and 95 #s soaking wet. Surprisingly she's wide and deep with pea size tits and eraser nipples. We fucked till dawn and woke up to a nice BBBJ. After guzzling down my morning dew I asked her how many guys she's burned. She said, "All of them". A few days later I picked up this pig and told her about my story. She told that was her mother and that she flew back to her hometown. Needless to say I indirectly fucked a mother / daughter combo!
[QUOTE=TwilightCircus;5573851]Texted back and forth with Scarlett and agreed to meet for 200 HH BB. Got to the hotel and chatted for a while outside then went inside the room. Made more conversation inside the room and gave the donation then she got a phone call. That's when she said she had to go to the front desk and never came back.[/QUOTE]She's a scammer, dude. Got to do your research. Search these boards for her names and read her other online reviews.
[QUOTE=Chicago41;5575058]She's a scammer, dude. Got to do your research. Search these boards for her names and read her other online reviews.[/QUOTE]Yep, typical mo imo. This reminds me of a vietnam amputee vet on the vegas boards under the rip off section. Dude held his own, pulled out a weapon, all legal of course and said ok you can go my money stays! Eventually the local po po was called and it did get resolved. But to keep it all easy. No upfront cash like that unless it's someone that you have dealt with and know she is reliable and you will repeat. She won't ditch on one to miss ten more times. However, yep the advice on here is generally strong and should be adhered to imo. Stosh stay safe gents and keep the cash in your pocket until the little guy has been addressed properly!
[QUOTE=Moejoo;5535599]It won't be a big deal until someone ties names to the credit card numbers and then ties them to an escort agency and then posts it on the internet so your name comes up tied to an escort agency in google searches. At that point maybe it is a big deal and maybe it isn't depending on your career and relationship status. Me Ill stick to cash.[/QUOTE]I used 2 kg for years, they had a cc scanner phone attachment like numerous small and portable businesses. I get your concern and it can be good, but you should probably avoid all businesses and use cash only with your paranoia on verified and reviewed agencies.
Never pay upfront. No exceptions. If she wants money upfront before her clothes come off you walk out the door.
[QUOTE=EyeEatAss;5574571]A few years back I picked up this SW near Lincoln & Devon. Gave her .6 and drove off to crack house. Groped me 4 a sec and promised 2 return. Fifteen minutes goes by and I'm ready to write it off. She comes flying out to my car, gets in and apologizes. I told her I thought she was ditching me. In a moment of honesty she told she had planned to but after feeling me up she wanted to experience the Ivory Python! She asked 4 another. 6 and I can fuck her all night long. We head to her shithole and dives for my schlong. She's gagging the whole way and asks if I'm a one shot guy. I assure her "No" and I blow in her mouth. She jets out after I park. I thoughts she was going to run but just gets out to spit. While inside her dump she lights up, disrobes and tells me to pound her pussy. She exhales as I part her canal. She screams in ecstasy and drops the pipe. A few pumps later and she's gushing like a guy. She turns over in mish and tells me to give her that big dick! She's maybe 5' tall and 95 #s soaking wet. Surprisingly she's wide and deep with pea size tits and eraser nipples. We fucked till dawn and woke up to a nice BBBJ. After guzzling down my morning dew I asked her how many guys she's burned. She said, "All of them". A few days later I picked up this pig and told her about my story. She told that was her mother and that she flew back to her hometown. Needless to say I indirectly fucked a mother / daughter combo![/QUOTE]I was wondering what happened to the troll. Does your mommy know you browse this website? You have to be over 18 to be on this site, so shoo.
[QUOTE=RonM;5575562]Never pay upfront. No exceptions. If she wants money upfront before her clothes come off you walk out the door.[/QUOTE]Absolutely, just say no and walk away, there are plenty of others around.
[QUOTE=Chicago41;5575058]She's a scammer, dude. Got to do your research. Search these boards for her names and read her other online reviews.[/QUOTE]I'm curious if anyone has tried to wait her out. She's obviously moved from her apartment to a hotel. If you just sat back, turned on the TV and waited. At some point, she's going to return.
Another move, look through her stuff and see what might be worth bargaining: "I've got your jewelry" "your clothes" or whatever. $200 if you want it back.
[QUOTE=TwilightCircus;5573851]Texted back and forth with Scarlett and agreed to meet for 200 HH BB. Got to the hotel and chatted for a while outside then went inside the room. Made more conversation inside the room and gave the donation then she got a phone call. That's when she said she had to go to the front desk and never came back.[/QUOTE]Don't call it a hotel if it isn't. It's 55 xx and winthrop. Any one that DM 's me I will help out scope the string ass boyfriend. He's high as a kite and easy to identify when he comes out 5 min before and hangs around. My best advice is avoid. Second best is call me as I am local and can be your spotter and you can buy me coffee to throw at them after you get ripped off.
[QUOTE=LS4V8;5575646]I was wondering what happened to the troll. Does your mommy know you browse this website? You have to be over 18 to be on this site, so shoo.[/QUOTE]I guess the Admin gave up banning him, the kid just makes more accounts.
[QUOTE=IndigoWalk;5576121]Don't call it a hotel if it isn't. It's 55 xx and winthrop. Any one that DM 's me I will help out scope the string ass boyfriend. He's high as a kite and easy to identify when he comes out 5 min before and hangs around. My best advice is avoid. Second best is call me as I am local and can be your spotter and you can buy me coffee to throw at them after you get ripped off.[/QUOTE]LOL! I forgot about the coffee story. That was some funny shit.
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[QUOTE=RonM;5575562]Never pay upfront. No exceptions. If she wants money upfront before her clothes come off you walk out the door.[/QUOTE]Maybe one day (probably not) these c**ts will get with the program and understand that on our side we will shower them with funds if they would just do what they said they were going to do. Scammers get outed here and other places and that road will generally lead to a dead end. I keep going back to the pro I knew as a quote un quote friend she just never f**ked around with the service and did what she said she would do. Now, imo she was in real life bat s**t crazy, however no when she would show and tell me all the money she made by just being nice to guys and delivering what she said she would do I was astonished. Some people just don't get it! Stosh be safe gents.
[QUOTE=TwilightCircus;5573851]Texted back and forth with Scarlett and agreed to meet for 200 HH BB. Got to the hotel and chatted for a while outside then went inside the room. Made more conversation inside the room and gave the donation then she got a phone call. That's when she said she had to go to the front desk and never came back.[/QUOTE]Learn from this mistake paying upfront.
[QUOTE=StanleyStankas;5576742]Maybe one day (probably not) these c**ts will get with the program and understand that on our side we will shower them with funds if they would just do what they said they were going to do. Scammers get outed here and other places and that road will generally lead to a dead end. I keep going back to the pro I knew as a quote un quote friend she just never f**ked around with the service and did what she said she would do. Now, imo she was in real life bat s**t crazy, however no when she would show and tell me all the money she made by just being nice to guys and delivering what she said she would do I was astonished. Some people just don't get it! Stosh be safe gents.[/QUOTE]Perhaps this forum needs yet another user blog or sub forum to name all these girls who will fuck before being paid that so many of the users her claim to know. Have any of them actually been named yet? Why are they the biggest secret on this board?
[QUOTE=Moejoo;5577074]Perhaps this forum needs yet another user blog or sub forum to name all these girls who will fuck before being paid that so many of the users her claim to know. Have any of them actually been named yet? Why are they the biggest secret on this board?[/QUOTE]Probably the monger does not want to fuck up a good thing? Now this is just a guess. We read on here that "Amber" is okay with not being paid upfront so some of us call her up use her services and then either don't pay at all or come with less funds available. Now being burned once twice three times the provider says nope, pay first play after. Again, just a guess but just as there are many girls out there that are scum and will rip you off I am sure there are many guys out there that are just as much of a scumbag and will rip off the girl.
B.
[QUOTE=Bkmsw;5578486]Probably the monger does not want to fuck up a good thing? Now this is just a guess. We read on here that "Amber" is okay with not being paid upfront so some of us call her up use her services and then either don't pay at all or come with less funds available. Now being burned once twice three times the provider says nope, pay first play after. Again, just a guess but just as there are many girls out there that are scum and will rip you off I am sure there are many guys out there that are just as much of a scumbag and will rip off the girl..[/QUOTE]I won't disagree in principal with any of that but why is it that so many of these guys preach that everyone follows their advice to not pay until afterwards, why should they care what we do as long as they have their secret little harems with girls willing to wait until after the deed? We have a special place to discuss BBFS, seems like that would be more of a closely guarded secret than girls who will put out without being paid up front. If you look at post history some of these guys have never given out any relevant information on any specific girl but they sure soak up the boards knowledge and give give advice on how other guys handle their business.
Say you go to a girl and she refuses to do the deed without money up front, and before you can get away her pimp confronts you, than what? I have never read of that happening, don't you think it is a little strange that with all the mongering going on that something like that never happened? Why wouldn't these guys report on it?
What if she says pay first, you say no, and she wants a cancellation fee, at that point neither of you wants to fuck and she is going to go nuts on you. Has that never happened to these guys? Why wouldn't they report on it with names? I knew a high end girl with misleading pics that had that happen a number of times and it was discussed on the boards with her name, but we should believe that it has never happened to these guys?
So another, she doesn't get paid upfront and you get done and don't think her asking price is worth it and give her less. So she goes nuts on you, or pimp issue from above happens, has that never happened, if so why has it never been reported?
Its easy to say you only pay only at the end, and easier to never give any details like it has never gone bad. Do you believe that those possible things I brought up have never happened if these guys pull their stunt on every girl they see? Why do they never report on it?
Even though I am an experienced monger I ignored my brain and paid upfront deposit to Amber Lynn. Half hour before appointment she asked for 30 more minutes then cancelled due to some leak at her place. This was two days ago still hounding her to return my $$. Please do not employ her services.
K.
[QUOTE=Bkmsw;5578486]Probably the monger does not want to fuck up a good thing? Now this is just a guess. We read on here that "Amber" is okay with not being paid upfront so some of us call her up use her services and then either don't pay at all or come with less funds available. Now being burned once twice three times the provider says nope, pay first play after. Again, just a guess but just as there are many girls out there that are scum and will rip you off I am sure there are many guys out there that are just as much of a scumbag and will rip off the girl.
B.[/QUOTE]A rip off can go either way.
If you pay upfront consider a few things;.
She controls the session on what she will and won't do. Regardless of what was previously agreed upon.
She controls the time. If you paid for 1 hour she can give you less than that. She can rush you out.
She can walk out with your money. You get no sex. You have zero recourse. Good luck getting your money back from her.
My point is you have no advantage or leverage when you pay upfront. When you don't pay upfront she'll give you a good time and expecting payment when you're done.
Especially at AMP's as they can be the queens of shorting time. When asked of me I always say I pay after and I figured they would not walk away from money. In some cases I was right and they agreed with me but other cases they did not and walked away from the money. I learned this the hard way when I agreed to pay upfront and I was grossly shorted on time and she could have cared less. I was at a AMP recently and the girl had a huge case of GPS as she was very good looking. I walked away from that one. Now some would say that some mongers screw the girls by dine and dashing and that is unfortunate. Not sure how to mitigate that one.
[QUOTE=RonM;5578953]A rip off can go either way.
If you pay upfront consider a few things;.
She controls the session on what she will and won't do. Regardless of what was previously agreed upon.
She controls the time. If you paid for 1 hour she can give you less than that. She can rush you out.
She can walk out with your money. You get no sex. You have zero recourse. Good luck getting your money back from her.
My point is you have no advantage or leverage when you pay upfront. When you don't pay upfront she'll give you a good time and expecting payment when you're done.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Moejoo;5578778]Its easy to say you only pay only at the end, and easier to never give any details like it has never gone bad. [/QUOTE]I have many times requested the success rate with paying after with a girl that a given guy seeing for the first time. All such requests have been completely ignored, from which I deduce that the success rate is vanishingly small, and that I'll lose more good opportunities and waste more time than just looking for well reviewed girls and paying how they wish. I also suspect that the guys talking that crap are on BS, or that they have only actually succeeded with a really tiny number of providers. I like more variety.
In one case, I had problems with a girl. She was a spectacular fuck and suck, (Jessica, when she wasn't too fucked up, was amazing) so rather than just striking her from the list, I told her that going forward, I'd never again pay her ahead of time. I saw her once after that on those terms and it went OK. The next time I went, she tried to be clever and demand up front payment and I walked out on her.
As far as listing the names of girls who will allow paying after, I don't even need that. A good trustworthy review or 2 is enough for me. It's really only relevant for me when going to see someone I haven't seen and who has no trustworthy reviews.
[QUOTE=GeorgeStark;5579229]I have many times requested the success rate with paying after with a girl that a given guy seeing for the first time. All such requests have been completely ignored, from which I deduce that the success rate is vanishingly small, and that I'll lose more good opportunities and waste more time than just looking for well reviewed girls and paying how they wish. I also suspect that the guys talking that crap are on BS, or that they have only actually succeeded with a really tiny number of providers. I like more variety.
In one case, I had problems with a girl. She was a spectacular fuck and suck, (Jessica, when she wasn't too fucked up, was amazing) so rather than just striking her from the list, I told her that going forward, I'd never again pay her ahead of time. I saw her once after that on those terms and it went OK. The next time I went, she tried to be clever and demand up front payment and I walked out on her.
As far as listing the names of girls who will allow paying after, I don't even need that. A good trustworthy review or 2 is enough for me. It's really only relevant for me when going to see someone I haven't seen and who has no trustworthy reviews.[/QUOTE]My suspicion is that if in fact these guys are getting away with their tactic that they are bottom feeders that seek out girls who are vulnerable due to a variety of bad life decisions and behaviors and these guys are opportunists trying to manipulate them. To each their own but since none of these guys will put names out there on a board where guys are sharing all kinds of other information its all kind of a myth and urban legend maybe even a fantasy anyways.
[QUOTE=KhadaDick555;5578847]Even though I am an experienced monger I ignored my brain and paid upfront deposit to Amber Lynn. Half hour before appointment she asked for 30 more minutes then cancelled due to some leak at her place. This was two days ago still hounding her to return my $$. Please do not employ her services.
K.[/QUOTE]She has been discussed quite a bit here on her looks, social media posts, photos, performance, following through with appointments, and deposit issues. Did you do any research on her or were you just taken by her 15 year old pictures, or social media posts. I follow her twitter for laughs.
[QUOTE=RonM;5578953]A rip off can go either way.
If you pay upfront consider a few things;.
She controls the session on what she will and won't do. Regardless of what was previously agreed upon.
She controls the time. If you paid for 1 hour she can give you less than that. She can rush you out.
She can walk out with your money. You get no sex. You have zero recourse. Good luck getting your money back from her.
My point is you have no advantage or leverage when you pay upfront. When you don't pay upfront she'll give you a good time and expecting payment when you're done.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. Would you mind providing links to the last couple of girls who allow paying after? Thanks in advance to the links!
B.
Whatever girl you guys see I suggest you pay after playtime is over. I learned my lesson early in this game. After my first pay upfront rip off I made sure going forward it was my last.
A girl can have one million awesome reviews. And that's great. I'm still paying her after playtime is over. She insists on money upfront I got no problem walking out. I might be missing out on a great time with her. At least I'll walk out with my cash and not get ripped off.
Don't hold your breath. I went through 5 pages, 250 of his posts. Not a single review of a girl, leave alone one who accepts payment afterwards. He's talking smack.
[QUOTE=Bkmsw;5580148]Thanks for the advice. Would you mind providing links to the last couple of girls who allow paying after? Thanks in advance to the links!
B.[/QUOTE]
I haven't seen her but figured I'd share what I read on TER - 363775.
Took money and then threatened to call the police.
[URL]https://www.eros.com/illinois/chicago/files/9759285.htm?cat=6209[/URL]
[QUOTE=GeorgeStark;5580256]Don't hold your breath. I went through 5 pages, 250 of his posts. Not a single review of a girl, leave alone one who accepts payment afterwards. He's talking smack.[/QUOTE]I figured as much when I asked for specific links to girls who accept payment after services. An hour later after my reply to him asking for links he makes similar comments without addressing my question. No response publicly and no private message could be found in my inbox. It was a way of calling him out I suppose. I am glad you did a research of his prior posts, it saved me the trouble. I am only following up here for the other readers so they may draw the same conclusion as you and I have drawn, RonM is not being helpful on this forum which purpose is men helping men find women for sex. He just might join hangingballs on my ignore list.
B.
How do you amass 2700 plus posts on this forum and since I've been on here, they've all been peddling the same advice of "pay after"?
Paying after is something I've never heard or seen in my life until I saw people mention it here. I'm not saying it's not real, but maybe is varies based on how you met the girl.
I can 100% tell you that mid-range and higher girls ($300+ hr) have a very specific routine and will have no problem telling you to leave if you don't follow it. You come in, go to the bathroom, shower, leave the money in the bathroom, she goes in, cleans up and grabs the money. Or you leave it to the nightstand and go to the bathroom. Something like that.
Lower end girls? Who knows. I guess it's possible but not worth the risk of things escalating. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been ripped off.
Spas sometimes function that way. At CLM I've paid the fee upfront but in the flow of things we'll start doing stuff and we don't settle up until after. That's the closest I've ever come to "pay after".