Streetwalker Reports

[QUOTE=Strip Junkie]Good job on not picking up the friend, not so smart giving her any money until after the fact. She could have easily bolted with your .10 or done a really rushed bad job after she had the full payment in the room. Or if she was really bold and fast, she could have taken full payment while your pants were down around your ankles. But you're learning and that is good![/QUOTE]You are absolutely right that I risked having her take the $10 and bolt from the scene, but I guess I still have the old-fashioned notion of "showing good faith" or something like that. She didn't want to go as far out of the area as I was taking her, so I gave her the $10 up front to calm her down. And by the time I gave her the money we were about a mile from where I picked her up and she probably didn't want to have to walk back.

In the room, she said she wasn't going to do anything without getting the $ we had negotiated. Maybe she would have done a better job (shown a bit more skill) if I had withheld the money until we were finished. Now that she knows me a bit and knows that I am not likely to stiff her for the money, if I see her again I will withhold at least half until we are done. Thanks for your comments!

[QUOTE=Strip Junkie]Good job on not picking up the friend, not so smart giving her any money until after the fact. She could have easily bolted with your .10 or done a really rushed bad job after she had the full payment in the room. Or if she was really bold and fast, she could have taken full payment while your pants were down around your ankles. But you're learning and that is good![/QUOTE]Just to be clear, is it standard practice to pay nothing at all until you are finished?

Here is the much anticipated review of the girls. I will try to keep it short and to the point. Called girls and picked up prizes and met at a hotel I picked. $35 a night is a nice price for a room when all you are doin is havin fun. Not bad rooms either. They showed up, overnight bags, and drinks. We all chatted for a bit then I supplied what I promised. Bout 20 minutes later a couple of them started kissing. The third one came to me and we started. Just about in unison they asked to see what I was packin. I showed then without hesitation they all stripped to bras and thongs. At this point I knew I could never handle all this but I pressed on. LOL These were the wildest, hottest, wettest chics I have ever been with. Absolutely incredible. They all wanted a shot, and would take turns, one may be smoking while other 2 were on me and so on. Or 2 would chat as I did the other. It was amazing, the best time I think I have ever had. 2 of them shared deepthroat oral and were pros at it. The third was great but no dt. Only one was up for anal, and actually practically begged for it, but I'm not into anal. After tons and tons of oral (I had to compensate somewhere). LOL we started and it was great. Nice bubbly girls, open to anything really, and after pop number 1 I thought sure they would have a need to rush off. I even told them if they needed to leave they could. They wanted to stay and party, and have fun all night. My sixth sense was right on the money here. I will see these girls many times, and most likely exclusively. There is no way in hell a dude could go anywhere and get 3 hotties for the night, for $.5. I did mention about sharing thier number but they haven't said yes or no to that yet, but they did say I could bring a friend or 2 next time to enjoy the fun. I will say this, if you ever get the chance to meet them you better have on your game, cause these girls are wild and hot. Oh I forgot to mention the cim with snowball. Which was uber hot. When I get more info and they let me share thier number, only trusted, respected senior members will get it. I have a couple pics, most somehow I deleted, but couldn't figure how to upload them. Soon as I figure it out I will post what I got.

Happy hunting

Here are a couple pics.

SA: Looks like your adventure to the east of Sincy was productive! Very nice inviting ass, and no scamming! And (frankly) be sure to stay in the realm of reality. For most of us, it sounds too good! Our tongues are hanging out. Keep us informed. It is still wise to be cautious about more than one-on-one until you know the territory. But hey--line those three asses up in a row and show us the pic!

Also, my bashful friend sent me a report to post for him about Amy. He found her walking on upper McM not too far from White Castle. She's a bit of a spinner, with bleach streaks through her brown hair, probably 30 or so. He pulled off to a side street and she came right in. He said they found a secluded spot and she administered a BBBJCIM. Started out great, with little miny sucks to bring him up to full mast. He said he had to ease her off when she got to rough in the middle, but had a satisfying finish, even if the spit was a bit forceful. 0.2 + 0.05.

He said that after the deed, he should have been a bit more forceful himself. She wanted to use the phone (mistake because it went on for a while), and then she wanted him to deliver her to an unspecified location (2nd mistake). He said if he ever picks her up again, he will set the guidelines up front. He said she was street-hardened, not at all into GFE. She apparently did know other SWs known to my friend which gave him some reassurance.

He said the bottom line was that the service provided was satisfactory, but he wished he had gotten control of events afterward.

One other point. He spotted a full-sized white Ford (very LE-like) in the area with a small JTF logo on the driver's door. He thought that the plain clothes person in the car was way too attentive to passing cars, etc. He suspects that JTF means Justice Task Force? So continue to be attentive to your surroundings. LE may be getting budget cuts, but... Anyone know for sure about JTF?

Giani

[QUOTE=Sincy Assman]Here are a couple pics.[/QUOTE]

I am very impressed with your recent discovery, especially since it's practically in my own back yard. I have lived in the Maysville, Aberdeen, Ripley area for several years now and have found the local scene pretty much dead. What you have found is nothing short of a miracle and I congratulate you. Although I am a newbie to this forum, I have been in the hobby for quite a few years now and hopefully things are starting to look up for this area. Very well done, indeed!

[QUOTE=Giani]One other point. He spotted a full-sized white Ford (very LE-like) in the area with a small JTF logo on the driver's door. He thought that the plain clothes person in the car was way too attentive to passing cars, etc. He suspects that JTF means Justice Task Force? So continue to be attentive to your surroundings. LE may be getting budget cuts, but... Anyone know for sure about JTF?

Giani[/QUOTE]The past couple of weeks LE have been heavy along the McMicken trail from Vine to MLK Drive. Very heavy near Marshall and McMicken area. There's more LE in the Fairview area than in OTR along McMicken. See pics below. These pics were from a couple of weeks ago. I think the guy was taken away and the girls left the area afterwards.

Be aware of LE parked off on side streets watching people coming and going. They will park along McMicken near Straight St. Corner and near Riddle and McMicken.

Some interesting info I've gotten from a couple of SW. One girl was telling me that the word among all the SW's is under cover cops have been picking girls up for actual service in their cars on a Tuesday's. Under cover Cops actually getting BBBJs from the girls and then setting them up for another date on Thursday's for the bust! Our taxes are paying for this?

Has anyone heard anything about this? Because she was serious when telling me this. I do know that under cover will now pull out their manhood making the girls believe that they're not cops. It's now whatever it takes to bust a SW in this town.

Harpo2U

About a week ago meet this WSW on Reading Rd close to the Norwood laterall pretenting to wait at the bus stop. About early 30's, 5 6", big legs and thick ass with long curly red hair. Pulled over and got the digits. Was out of town when I texted he she repiled back. Once I got back just one day later phone was discconneted. I haven't ran into many SW's in this area unless they were strung out. But, she was hot as hell. She said her name was PAM. I remember a Pam (short-haired redhead) about 2-3 years old in OTR. If this is her, she has cleaned up very well. Anyone know this chick.

[QUOTE=Harpo2u]The past couple of weeks LE have been heavy along the McMicken trail from Vine to MLK Drive. Very heavy near Marshall and McMicken area. There's more LE in the Fairview area than in OTR along McMicken. See pics below. These pics were from a couple of weeks ago. I think the guy was taken away and the girls left the area afterwards.

Be aware of LE parked off on side streets watching people coming and going. They will park along McMicken near Straight St. Corner and near Riddle and McMicken.

Some interesting info I've gotten from a couple of SW. One girl was telling me that the word among all the SW's is under cover cops have been picking girls up for actual service in their cars on a Tuesday's. Under cover Cops actually getting BBBJs from the girls and then setting them up for another date on Thursday's for the bust! Our taxes are paying for this?

Has anyone heard anything about this? Because she was serious when telling me this. I do know that under cover will now pull out their manhood making the girls believe that they're not cops. It's now whatever it takes to bust a SW in this town.

Harpo2U[/QUOTE]

I know that a couple of AMPS in Fredricksburg, VA were busted a year or so ago using that tactic. They sent in a 'single' (as in not married) UC cop who engaged in sexual relations then when he was done had his buddies make the bust.

So I would not be surprised if LE has reached that low a level. What next? Maybe a UC cop will be hired as a hit man and kill the target to prove the complicity?

Found this one out again last night real early this morning. She gives awesome unrushed service. She could actually be escorting if she tried. Picked her up at the corner of McMicken and Race.

[QUOTE=Saltnpep69]I had not seen this one before. She claims to be from Latonia over in KY. Picked her up early this AM around 4:45 at Race and McM. WSW, burnette with just a little meat on her bone from having a baby a while back. She has a big tat on her left leg. You can't miss the tat. Nice boobs I had a great time, got the full meal deal for.35 Well worth it. BBBJ was awesome.[/QUOTE]

Went for a cruise on Thursday in the various areas and it was as if someone labeled me LE....Then I realized my rental car was a white Ford Excursion.

So I though shit - I am not going to get anything on this trip. So I stop at the mini mart off Vine and McM. Get out and there are two BSW hanging out and a few D-Boys. As I am getting my water from the cooler, A WSW asks if I could give her a ride, I say sure and offer to buy her a pack of smokes.

Once in the SUV and heading west, she asks what my deal is. I tell her just surfing for a bunny to take to my room and play with. She gives me the dirt that LE (driving large white SUV's) are shaking down the SW's for free service then making them turn over info on the D-boys or get 20days in city hotel.

I tell her I am not LE, and even show her my out of state ID and then pull out my C for her to touch. She leans over and begins a nice BBBJ sample then asks me to touch her kitty and even slide a finger in..this will prove I am not LE. I oblige, lick my finger and slide it right in and begin rubbing her clit with my thumb. She smiles and agrees to hit it right there in my car.

Shelly is 35ish, dirty blond, shoulder length hair, nice shape, not totally cracked out. End up in a nice dark area, where she gives me a killer BBBJCIM w/spit, then back down to make sure I was done. Of course this just got me going again and we moved to the back seat for some CFS and a 2nd pop.

She knows the streets and says the LE has been dirty for years, but it's now getting a lot worse...Last month a UC LE made her give him a BJ and anal just to not bust her with a clean new pipe as she walked out of the store - thats BS - don't you cops have better things to do.

Ended up dropping Shelly off on Fritz with a .40 for her time.

Be Safe,

Surf

[QUOTE=Harpo2u]The past couple of weeks LE have been heavy along the McMicken trail from Vine to MLK Drive. Very heavy near Marshall and McMicken area. There's more LE in the Fairview area than in OTR along McMicken. See pics below. These pics were from a couple of weeks ago. I think the guy was taken away and the girls left the area afterwards.

Be aware of LE parked off on side streets watching people coming and going. They will park along McMicken near Straight St. Corner and near Riddle and McMicken.

Some interesting info I've gotten from a couple of SW. One girl was telling me that the word among all the SW's is under cover cops have been picking girls up for actual service in their cars on a Tuesday's. Under cover Cops actually getting BBBJs from the girls and then setting them up for another date on Thursday's for the bust! Our taxes are paying for this?

Has anyone heard anything about this? Because she was serious when telling me this. I do know that under cover will now pull out their manhood making the girls believe that they're not cops. It's now whatever it takes to bust a SW in this town.

Harpo2U[/QUOTE]

So I get some free time on Friday AM and drive over near the Rest Inn on Central Pkwy. As I do my first drive by I notice a few doors open and not a lot of activity. I swing back by and actually drive the lot and see a cute WSW walking along the first floor rooms. She sees me and gives me a small wave and then enters her room. I pull right up and park, then walk up to the open door and see three SW's sitting on the bed, they all ask me to come on in and shut the door.

At first I was a bit worried, then as I close the door, I notice the cutie that I followed in was holding a large rock and the other girls were waiting on a break off. As each get their part of the rock, they all head out of the room and leave me and my spinner along. We close the door, lock it and I do a room check, she then asks me if I will be long, if so she wants to take a few hits before we start. I let her know I am not wanting to get high so it's cool if she does it, but don't blow it near me. She is a cute little spinner, maybe 26ish, bleached out hair, sexy little frame with little titties, her name is Reagan.

She takes a few hits and is instantly gone...must have been some good shit.

We get naked and begin a 45min suck and fuck. First she wants to BBBJ me to get me ready for some major CFS. Then after 20mins of CFS I move from Mish to puppy and she burns another rock and then asks for it in her A$$. I grab some lube off the night stand and begin a long 20min Greek ride while she blazes her pipe. It was as tight as it can get and she was as into it as any chick has ever been. Finally I can't take it any more and nut deep and hard.

Once I pull out and she rolls over, I can see she is so far gone that she can't see my face. She kept asking me if I could hear the train out side. - WOW she was lite. So I get dressed and ask her how much and she says I already paid her. I remind her that I had not and offered her .20 or .30, but she says she owes me money back. I was like what????? She says that they didn't have my kind of cigs and she forgot the lighter. I was like what????

At this point she pulls out .80 and tells me to take it. I tell her no way and try to give her a .30, but she says she can't take my money. So I tell her I need to leave, but she won't let me open the door. So I tell her I am going to check out the parking lot and make sure everything is cool. She says ok and I walk outside and she closes the door right behind me.

I jump in my rental and head out. What a crazy wave she was riding. All I can say is "timing is everything".

Be Safe,

Surf

Spent about 2 hrs. cruising 8 -10 tonight. Checked out the Rest Inn, nothing another motel just south of it nothing LEO sitting on back entrance. Cruised McMicken nothing, Elm dead, Race dead. Went to covington greenup, madison more of the same. I guess nobody needs any money. I did see one thick WSW in LPH last thursday in jeans but another monger scooped her before I could circle around. A lot of eyes out this was around 2 PM.

I read recently from a news site that some MP's started using hidden video camera's, to video clients, not for blackmail purposes, but to protect against LE.

LE tried the samething by sending in an UC Cop, asa a decoy and he did the deed. They got busted, and the video since it was well hidden, and the units conceded, it was introduced into evidence, by the defense, and there was a video of the Cop having sex. The threat was to put it into evidence and maybe on the net. The police first denied any cop ever did this, but once the video was introduced the charges were dropped, for everyone, with the agreement that they would move location, to another area. What area the site article did not say.

I read this well over 4-5 months ago. I was surfing, and found a link to the site and page. I will have to see if I can again find the link & site page.

If more MP's start using this method, and start posting to the net the video of the UC Cop having SEX, the State Attorney General will have to investigate it, and the Police dept., maybe in even more trouble. Cities can not afford a lawsuit, on an illegal police bust. And with layoffs in the near future of every city, the poice can I'll-afford to screw-up.

[QUOTE=Seva Lurker]I know that a couple of AMPS in Fredricksburg, VA were busted a year or so ago using that tactic. They sent in a 'single' (as in not married) UC cop who engaged in sexual relations then when he was done had his buddies make the bust.

So I would not be surprised if LE has reached that low a level. What next? Maybe a UC cop will be hired as a hit man and kill the target to prove the complicity?[/QUOTE]

The Manager at the Rest Inn, will not allow doors to be left open, unless the motel is full, and the A/C is out. This is some guy from India, and LE has been all over him about him Motel, and Drug Dealers and more using it. So, if there is any doors being left open, and he sees it on camera, the room gets a call. It is worse than the motel next to the WhiteCastle. They all have cameras watching the motels & parking lot.

This WSW you picked up is not a functioning Crackhead. If she screwed up like this, her friend would have torn her apart, for screwing up the crack money. If it were not you, another person would have taken the money, and been off with it.

LE cruise the parking lot often, so open doors invite noses. Be careful on that.

SW Surfer: Wow, what a tale of good luck at Rest Inn! A wonderfully engaging story of a fortuitous encounter with multiple SWs, drug distribution, and freeby sex! I was entranced. However (we always need to remember the rule of TGTBT), there are several points that are hard to understand which you can probably tell us about:

1) You, completely unknown to anyone, happen upon a room full of SWs, got invited in, and find that they are in the process of dividing a huge rock of drugs (crack?). The problem, as you doubtless know, is that it would be very unusual that a group of SWs by themselves to have a "huge rock" of drugs. If this would, in a rare instance happen, it would almost invariably be a VERY private activity.
2) That they actually HAD a huge rock all to themselves? No dope boyz on the scene, collecting his money? I am sure you know that the boyz give little slack.
3) The SWs had no problem with equitable distribution of portions of the rock? Crack users have calibrated eyes worthy of a micro-scale (they can spot miniscule white specks on the floor), and would be expected to be arguing about who got more.
4) Your spinner then takes a hit and goes nearly unconscious? This makes it unlikely that the rock is crack. Crack hypes up the user, increases awareness, and is hardly a serious downer. (On the other hand, H has the opposite effect.)
5) Great sex for free, AND she wants to give YOU money? Wow (again). Where have I been all my life? You say she had no idea where she is or what is going on? If she is so out of it, it sounds more like something other than crack. And, wonder of wonders, she actually has more than $80 on her person? Most mongers know, the majority of SWs live from hit to hit, zero $ to spare.

I am sure that you, as a Senior member, and monger of long experience, can understand how amazing these scenarios are! Got any insight into these wonderings? Forgive us for asking, but tell us more!

Giani

[QUOTE=SW Surfer]... [I] walk up to the open door and see three SW's sitting on the bed, they all ask me to come on in and shut the door... the cutie was holding a large rock and the other girls were waiting on a break off. ... she wants to take a few hits before we start. ... She takes a few hits and is instantly gone...must have been some good shit... Then after 20mins of CFS I move from Mish to puppy and she burns another rock and then asks for it in her A$$. I grab some lube off the night stand and begin a long 20min Greek ride while she blazes her pipe. ... I can see she is so far gone that she can't see my face. She kept asking me if I could hear the train out side. - WOW she was lite... she says I already paid her.... At this point she pulls out .80 and tells me to take it. ...All I can say is "timing is everything"...
Surf[/QUOTE]

I can appreciate the questions...as I look back I am a bit amazed my self.

To add some info:

-These girls did not look like your typical SW's...more like BP or CL's

-I have seen more then a few SW's end up with a 1/8th or 1/4 or even a 1/2 of rock for .80 to $.50, then split it and separate for the next few hours. This is nothing abnormal - sorry to say I am speaking from experience.

-Being an X-powder surfer and an occasional smoker...I have had my share of shit that knocked me on my ass - but it was dirty with something else (X or H). All I can saw is this spinner was spinning hard.

- As for her ability to have cash, it was early AM. She and her follow SW's most likely pooled their cash in wait for a D-boy to wake up or re-up. If Reagan took $$ (200.00) to a d-boy to buy a big rock, she most likely only gave the dude $.20 and kept the .80 for her rent or she bought all the D-Boys current stash and left with some cash remaining. Not sure, just theorizing????

- Also, Reagan was spinning on something more then rock, for her not to know that I had not paid and was thinking she owned me cash from cigs at the store....She had to be on something else. Maybe Rock and Oxi or Rock and H????

One other thing I didn't put in my previous report - when Regan invited me into the room and the other girls left. She thought I was someone else, one of her regulars. It spooked her at first, but we got past it pretty quick.

Be Safe, thanks for a great visit in O-hi-O.....

Surf



[QUOTE=Giani]SW Surfer: Wow, what a tale of good luck at Rest Inn! A wonderfully engaging story of a fortuitous encounter with multiple SWs, drug distribution, and freeby sex! I was entranced. However (we always need to remember the rule of TGTBT), there are several points that are hard to understand which you can probably tell us about:

1) You, completely unknown to anyone, happen upon a room full of SWs, got invited in, and find that they are in the process of dividing a huge rock of drugs (crack?). The problem, as you doubtless know, is that it would be very unusual that a group of SWs by themselves to have a "huge rock" of drugs. If this would, in a rare instance happen, it would almost invariably be a VERY private activity.
2) That they actually HAD a huge rock all to themselves? No dope boyz on the scene, collecting his money? I am sure you know that the boyz give little slack.
3) The SWs had no problem with equitable distribution of portions of the rock? Crack users have calibrated eyes worthy of a micro-scale (they can spot miniscule white specks on the floor), and would be expected to be arguing about who got more.
4) Your spinner then takes a hit and goes nearly unconscious? This makes it unlikely that the rock is crack. Crack hypes up the user, increases awareness, and is hardly a serious downer. (On the other hand, H has the opposite effect.)
5) Great sex for free, AND she wants to give YOU money? Wow (again). Where have I been all my life? You say she had no idea where she is or what is going on? If she is so out of it, it sounds more like something other than crack. And, wonder of wonders, she actually has more than $80 on her person? Most mongers know, the majority of SWs live from hit to hit, zero $ to spare.

I am sure that you, as a Senior member, and monger of long experience, can understand how amazing these scenarios are! Got any insight into these wonderings? Forgive us for asking, but tell us more!

Giani[/QUOTE]

Started the evening on McMic around 10pm and rolled all the way from MLK to Liberty and there were many many choices. Immediately spotted a cute blonde WSW behind the no-tel wearing a plaid peasant style blouse that could have easliy been mistaken for a college girl, but gave the look and a smile. Not a block further and a skank gave a call out trying to draw attention as I passed.

At the mini mart before hitting Marshall?? a decent looking brunette was leaning against the wall out front and appeared to be working. And in the same location as Harpo's recent pics, I believe I spotted one of the same girls that his pic showed getting shaken down by LE. On the very next block another WSW with frizzy reddish hair, leppard print top and black leggings and looking more than a bit strung out.

Two preggo's were spotted between Ravine and Mohawk: one blonde with hair pulled up that was a little on the puggy side and then one with brown shoulder length hair, real skinny (except for the 6 to 7mo baby bump) wearing a tight fitting orange top. She looked interesting from a distance, but when I saw the face decided to take a pass. There were at least 2 to 3 others with nothing particularly noteworthy to remember them by and I believe I rolled that entire length of McMic without crossing paths with a single leo.

Feeling a bit gun shy after my recent chatline rob and only having one shot left between now and the next P-day, decided to go with a sure thing. My LPH friend Angie has working digits once again. Made the call and then the pick-n-roll to my newest secure location. Started with BBBJ (which from her has always been good). Before long she starts talkin about how "you know you wanna hit this pussy" and talkin bout how tight it is. Asks if I had a cover and when I gave the affirmative she slips out of her jeans. I had removed a portion of the 2nd row seating so we adjourned to the rear. On the floor and securely out of sight, she climbed on board and bounced away. I think the continued dirty talk sent me over the edge quickly and was lucky to last another 5 mins. The ginner was indeed tight and that also assisted in the quick finish. Helped her out afterward with .25 to keep the phone going and a pocket full of silver on the drop in order to get a soda from the machine. First time doing anything more than bbbj with her and the H&H date this time around left me smiling.

Grabbed some sliders as a snack and then couldn't resist runnin McMic again before the return trip to the burbs. The rain had started at this point and those few that were still out were seeking the cover of doorways, etc and were not as visible as on the first run. Time at this point was a little after midnight.

[QUOTE=Giani]SW Surfer: Wow, what a tale of good luck at Rest Inn! A wonderfully engaging story of a fortuitous encounter with multiple SWs, drug distribution, and freeby sex! I was entranced. However (we always need to remember the rule of TGTBT), there are several points that are hard to understand which you can probably tell us about:

1) You, completely unknown to anyone, happen upon a room full of SWs, got invited in, and find that they are in the process of dividing a huge rock of drugs (crack?). The problem, as you doubtless know, is that it would be very unusual that a group of SWs by themselves to have a "huge rock" of drugs. If this would, in a rare instance happen, it would almost invariably be a VERY private activity.

2) That they actually HAD a huge rock all to themselves? No dope boyz on the scene, collecting his money? I am sure you know that the boyz give little slack.

3) The SWs had no problem with equitable distribution of portions of the rock? Crack users have calibrated eyes worthy of a micro-scale (they can spot miniscule white specks on the floor), and would be expected to be arguing about who got more.

4) Your spinner then takes a hit and goes nearly unconscious? This makes it unlikely that the rock is crack. Crack hypes up the user, increases awareness, and is hardly a serious downer. (On the other hand, H has the opposite effect.)

5) Great sex for free, AND she wants to give YOU money? Wow (again). Where have I been all my life? You say she had no idea where she is or what is going on? If she is so out of it, it sounds more like something other than crack. And, wonder of wonders, she actually has more than $80 on her person? Most mongers know, the majority of SWs live from hit to hit, zero $ to spare.

I am sure that you, as a Senior member, and monger of long experience, can understand how amazing these scenarios are! Got any insight into these wonderings? Forgive us for asking, but tell us more!

Giani[/QUOTE]Giani,

SW Surfer must be a lucky monger. He has posted in Miami, Jacksonville, Orlando, Tampa Bay Area, Ohio within the space of a few weeks. He must have alot of funds. His experiences with the WSW sound fantastic. He always gets GFE service with a smile and they more often than not do Greek. I only wish I could find SW like that. I like his stories. And wish they were true, but, unfortunately they are TGTBT.

Yesterday I carried a camera with me and was able to get a couple of pics of Denise, the girl who ripped me off a week ago. See post #421 for the details.

These photos were taken as she walked east on McMicken. She was about a block from the intersection of McMicken and Mohawk.

Just to be clear here, I am not saying that this girl would necessarily try to rob you or do a cash and dash. She took advantage of me, but I made several bad mistakes when I picked her up. First, I gave her cash up front with no reason to trust her, so it isn't surprising that she asked to make a stop and then did not come back to the car. Second, I picked her up again, thinking that maybe she had a good explanation for not coming back to the car before. Finally, she had seen me take cash out of a shirt pocket and therefore knew there might be more cash in the same spot (there was). She grabbed some cash out of my shirt pocket and of course refused to return it. She never showed any signs of getting violent and an experienced monger might have a successful experience with her. It is just that a couple of you asked me to try to get a pic of her, so I did.

Kinda Harsh LFB - I guess the other mongers that I surf with on occasion are liars also. As for where I surf - I have a killer job and travel all over the east coast and mid west.....

....and from now on will not post in the Cinci thread. No big deal to me.

Surf Out!!!



[QUOTE=Lkg For Bbbj]Giani,

SW Surfer must be a lucky monger. He has posted in Miami, Jacksonville, Orlando, Tampa Bay Area, Ohio within the space of a few weeks. He must have alot of funds. His experiences with the WSW sound fantastic. He always gets GFE service with a smile and they more often than not do Greek. I only wish I could find SW like that. I like his stories. And wish they were true, but, unfortunately they are TGTBT.[/QUOTE]

Your picture of a rip-off artist is extremely valuable. I managed once to get pix of Kelsey, a rip-off artist who claimed to have a gun... But my pix were not as clear as yours. Great job.

Just to be clear: you got nada from Denise, right? Are you therefore SURE that it is a she? I think it is plausible that "she" is a TV... The evidence can be discerned: the square shoulders, strong jaw and facial features. It at least raises the question. How far was "she" from Dunlap? Every reader of this forum should know that TVs own Dunlap.

Do not be hard on yourself. We are all students, and even the problematic experiences are valuable for our future behavior.

Again, I am impressed that you came through with pix. It is exactly this kind of post that is most valuable for the Cincinnati board. Thanks from all of us.

Giani

[QUOTE=Bill Fanta]Yesterday I carried a camera with me and was able to get a couple of pics of Denise, the girl who ripped me off a week ago. See post #421 for the details.

These photos were taken as she walked east on McMicken. She was about a block from the intersection of McMicken and Mohawk.

Just to be clear here, I am not saying that this girl would necessarily try to rob you or do a cash and dash. She took advantage of me, but I made several bad mistakes when I picked her up. First, I gave her cash up front with no reason to trust her, so it isn't surprising that she asked to make a stop and then did not come back to the car. Second, I picked her up again, thinking that maybe she had a good explanation for not coming back to the car before. Finally, she had seen me take cash out of a shirt pocket and therefore knew there might be more cash in the same spot (there was). She grabbed some cash out of my shirt pocket and of course refused to return it. She never showed any signs of getting violent and an experienced monger might have a successful experience with her. It is just that a couple of you asked me to try to get a pic of her, so I did.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Giani]Just to be clear: you got nada from Denise, right? Are you therefore SURE that it is a she? I think it is plausible that "she" is a TV... The evidence can be discerned: the square shoulders, strong jaw and facial features. It at least raises the question. How far was "she" from Dunlap? Every reader of this forum should know that TVs own Dunlap.[/QUOTE]I first picked her (?) up on Lynn near York. Then, when the photo was taken, she was on McMicken near Mohawk. Never saw below the waist, but did see and felt some pretty nice breasts and it seems unlikely that they were implants. Again, wouldn't bet my life savings, but might bet about $100 that it was female. I have seen many black TV or trannys since I started this hobby a few weeks back, but I can't claim to be 100% accurate in spotting them. Maybe another poster on the forum will chime in with a positive ID one way or the other.

BTW, she didn't seem to recognize that I was the guy she robbed recently.

Her real name is Danielle, not Denise. That is the name I got from her with her real friend intro'ing us.

She never came across as a Rip-Off Artist, because I was getting her for 20 and that was with a tip. She is very easy to get along with, never a problem, most cooperative, and say no to nothing. I am a little shocked about this, and very dismay. She did not even have an attitude about service, and IS CONSIDERED A NEIGHBORHOOD FAVORITE AND NOT REALLY A STREET WALKER. She has a very nice personality, but as we all know, everyone can be anything, if opportunity comes across. Someone normally NOT bold, might become BOLD, if they think they can take advantage of a situation.

She is only 23, and has been doing this thing for several years, but off the streets. She is not a walkers as we are use to them. She is SEXZ like a Mutha-Fuka, and when dressed up in HighHeels, she has grrrrreat long legz, without having big long feet, nice round small azz, good tight stuff, good level of skillz, and she can feel a good pounding in Real Time.

I do dislike that "wig" she wears all the time. Without it, she may look a lot better, who knows?

She is not as I have known her an addict of anything, but smokes herb regularly. I have never known her to be involved in criminal activities, and is not even a big alcohol drinker. So I am perplexed & puzzled about her behavior. She doesn't even appear to me to lack intelligence, and she likes to get down to business, I mean, she will screw just about anywhere, anytime, anyplace, and just about anyone, but I have seen her walk away from several men for various reasons. She is not real picky, but she is to me very safe. No condom no sex. She will do BBBJ, but mainly to men she knows & trust, like myself.

She has never ever has Ripped me Off, but I know how to find her quickly, and she knows I can track her down. Let Me Look Into This and Get Back, To the Board.

I am NOT saying B. F. is wrong I believe she did rip him off, but "WHY". Not that it needs a reason, but she is not known as a rip-off artist. No SW, can really be trusted, as well as no Cop, but at times we do for both.

Everyone Learn a Lesson from Bill's experience, and take heed. For it might do everyone well to avoid her, because maybe she is on some Drug Shyt, and needs the money for her Need. That will be a surprise to me!

B. F. Glad you got the pix, otherwise it would be impossible to know who has started Ripping Folks Off.


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[QUOTE=Bill Fanta]Yesterday I carried a camera with me and was able to get a couple of pics of Denise, the girl who ripped me off a week ago. See post #421 for the details.

These photos were taken as she walked east on McMicken. She was about a block from the intersection of McMicken and Mohawk.

Just to be clear here, I am not saying that this girl would necessarily try to rob you or do a cash and dash. She took advantage of me, but I made several bad mistakes when I picked her up. First, I gave her cash up front with no reason to trust her, so it isn't surprising that she asked to make a stop and then did not come back to the car. Second, I picked her up again, thinking that maybe she had a good explanation for not coming back to the car before. Finally, she had seen me take cash out of a shirt pocket and therefore knew there might be more cash in the same spot (there was). She grabbed some cash out of my shirt pocket and of course refused to return it. She never showed any signs of getting violent and an experienced monger might have a successful experience with her. It is just that a couple of you asked me to try to get a pic of her, so I did.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mr Boombastic]Her real name is danielle, not denise. That is the name I got from her with her real friend intro'ing us.

She never came across as a Rip-Off Artist, because I was getting her for 20 and that was with a tip. She is very easy to get along with, never a problem, most cooperative, and say no to nothing. I am a little shocked about this, and very dismay. She did not even have an attitude about service, and IS CONSIDERED A NEIGHBORHOOD FAVORITE AND NOT REALLY A STREET WALKER. She has a very nice personality, but as we all know, everyone can be anything, if opportunity comes across. Someone normally NOT bold, might become BOLD, if they think they can take advantage of a situation.

She is only 23, and has been doing this thing for several years, but off the streets. She is not a walkers as we are use to them. She is SEXZ like a Mutha-Fuka, and when dressed up in HighHeels, she has grrrrreat long legz, without having big long feet, nice round small azz, good tight stuff, good level of skillz, and she can feel a good pounding in Real Time.

I do dislike that "wig" she wears all the time. Without it, she may look a lot better, who knows?

She is not as I have known her an addict of anything, but smokes herb regularly. I have never known her to be involved in criminal activities, and is not even a big alcohol drinker. So I am perplexed & puzzled about her behavior. She doesn't even appear to me to lack intelligence, and she likes to get down to business, I mean, she will screw just about anywhere, anytime, anyplace, and just about anyone, but I have seen her walk away from several men for various reasons. She is not real picky, but she is to me very safe. No condom no sex. She will do BBBJ, but mainly to men she knows & trust, like myself.

She has never ever has Ripped me Off, but I know how to find her quickly, and she knows I can track her down. Let Me Look Into This and Get Back, To the Board.

I am NOT saying B. F. Is wrong I believe she did rip him off, but "WHY". Not that it needs a reason, but she is not know as a rip-off artist. No SW, can really be trusted, as well as no Cop, but at times we do for both.

Everyone Learn a Lesson from Bill experience, and take heed. For not it might do everyone well to avoid her, because maybe she is on some Drug Shyt, and needs the money for her Need. That will be a surprise to me!

B. F. Glad you got the pix, otherwise it would be impossible to know who has started Ripping Folks Off.[/QUOTE]As I said in another post, if I had not given her money up front and shown myself to be a potentially easy mark, there may have been no problem at all. But she did outright steal another $25 right out of my pocket. If you see her, it may help to remind her if you mention that I let her out of my car on the 5th floor of the parking garage at 7th and Vine.

Hey guys

Last saturday night I took a cruise through OTR and spotted a new face. Stopped and she got in and we did the check and off we went to a private place. Nice girl and I've seen her twice now. She is very, very part-timer on the streets so you may not see her for awhile then maybe you will. She isn't like the regulars you see on the streets.

I'm going to say little about her just to protect her. So my question is have anyone else seen her. Lets call her dark eyed beauty.

Here's her pic.

Harpo2U

You might be interested to read SW Surfer's post in Florida about how Cincinnati is a "F'n backwater" where no one "gets more then a quick 3min CBJ":

[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=844519&postcount=1253[/url]

Maybe he thought because of our "f'n backwater" status, we would swallow his fantastic story without questions.

Or should we just let him stew in his own embellishments? If the emperor has no clothes, should anyone mention it?

Giani

[QUOTE=SW Surfer]Kinda Harsh LFB - I guess the other mongers that I surf with on occasion are liars also. As for where I surf - I have a killer job and travel all over the east coast and mid west.....

....and from now on will not post in the Cinci thread. No big deal to me.

Surf Out!!![/QUOTE]

Well a tool is a tool no matter what shape it comes in, or its purpose. I would say SW is 3 ft tape measure. Kinda small and useless really

She's a cutie. I've been calling her Aunt Mary which has significance if you know her full name. I've been seeing her for a couple of months now, and I have been meaning to type a posting on her, however I've been torn between letting my fellow mongers out there know about this uncut jewel or being selfish and keeping her to myself. She's more than willing to do anything from a BBBJCIM to DATY to Full Service. so far no Greek however I plan on exploring that island in the future. She is a little inexperienced in technique however she does make up for it in attitude. She has told me that I can give out her number so pm me if your interested, however if I'm feeling selfish at the time I might not pass it on, can you blame a guy for wanting to keep a good thing to himself. Ratings; Looks 7.5, Skill 7 I'm sure she'll improve, Attitude 8.5

I do beleive she about 1 or 2 month pregnant.

Her's another photo.

Jumper

[QUOTE=Harpo2u]Hey guys

Last saturday night I took a cruise through OTR and spotted a new face. Stopped and she got in and we did the check and off we went to a private place. Nice girl and I've seen her twice now. She is very, very part-timer on the streets so you may not see her for awhile then maybe you will. She isn't like the regulars you see on the streets.

I'm going to say little about her just to protect her. So my question is have anyone else seen her. Lets call her dark eyed beauty.

Here's her pic.

Harpo2U[/QUOTE]

I am starting to see more than a few Prego SW's out on the strip these days. That is a little concerning to me, that either these girl wanted to get Pregnant by someone/boyfriend, or they are getting very careless, about their SEXUAL Behavior. It use to be a rare event to see prego SW's, and most were one that had overcome their addiction, and made it off the streets, then got pregnant.

Now I am seeing more still in the business and are getting pregnant while still tricking, even if it is undercover, with only the drug boyz. Pocahontas did that twice. I know she would almost always demend using condoms, but I can tell you during her heaviest usage, she could be talked into doing it without a condom. It only took a few dollars extra, and that even happened while she was pregnant from another Drug Boy.

I just wanted to see just how far I could go, to better understand where the head of any SW is. You have to know, if you are going to deal with her long term.

So when I see a PREGO SW, then you know for certain she is not using PROTECTION with someone. Being that is the case then the person she is screwing around with, is willing to screw around with her knowing what she does, and her addiction, and does it anyway. You have to really wonder what is going on. If he will do this with her, then who else is he doing the same with. And "Why is the HELL", would he even want the mother of his child to be an SW anyway. Just one more Crack Baby for the system, to take care of. Many of these baby's end up with life long mental problems. Ou can go on for days about this subject.

Still, my point is. SW's getting Pregnant. And why they would even let themselves, who would even allow themselves to get them pregnant, and if they are letting others have sex with them without condoms.

I have NEVER EVER done it, but I push to see who is willing to do it. You would be surprised at who would? That is why I even put a condom over my fingers, if I even finger them, with a little foreplay. Nothing is full-proof, but it would seem that with times being as hard as they are, the last thing any SW would be thinking about is getting PREGNANT, because the Fathers rarely if ever support them & the baby, for anything and end up getting other girls pregnant, and having very little money, for paying anyone, if they are not already in jail.

Still, all-in-all, Prego SW's seem to be more cooperative, more willing to do everything, less expensive, more available, and more of a lot of things Bad & Good!

But, it does "Make Me Wonder What Is Going On"!

I luv the reports that post pictures and I am not just talkin about the ones showing "action" shots. They help to convey the flavor of the street and add to the report. Hope to become a photo contributor soon!

Noticed that many pics that capture SWs just out on the street appear from the angle/view to be taken somewhat discreetly. I noticed that some however (like those by Misfit in Pomona) seem like he has rolled right up on the girl and often then she is giving a pissed off look. I would think with Misfit's approach you run the risk of getting labeled as LE or a member of CCV trying to document the activity in your hood which may in turn limit your action in that area.

Also, my mongering activites have never occured during daylight hours. Would it be recommended on a car date to avoid use of a flash at night? I wouldn't want to draw unnecessary attention, but don't think pics will amount to much without the flash.

Just one last question (so this doesn't become my ususal 10 mile long post), anyone ever negotiated for pics at an AMP? It would seem unlikely they would agree to it, but what brought it up was the pics in the following post:

[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=839412&postcount=533[/url]

His first and only post. Figured if he was the AMP JUNKIE that his name implies would have posted again by now. He says the session was with mamasan. I know Asians hide age well, but she looks fairly young. Curious whether others suspect this post to not be legit.

Peace.... Cee

I'm a long time reader 1st time poster. I have a friend who spends a lot of time checking the scene in Covington. Last week he picked up a hot SW at the bus stop on the corner of 8th & Madison. I believe he said her name was Jessica. She was very young (looked 18 or 19), petite & extemely attractive for a SW.

She took him to the back of her Grandpa's shop around the corner. He was a little scared because it was a maze and someone could've popped out from anywhere and robbed him. He said there it was dark and there was shit evrywhere. In the back of the shop she has a room with a bed and a door that locks.

Once back there she agreed to give him half/half for.50. He said the oral work was okay. She gave oral till he was at attention. Once at attention she layed down. He then pounded her for a good 15 minutes. Said it was wonderful & she was pretty into it.

He gave her overall performance as an 8. He gave her looks a 9 for a s/w. Said she easily could've been a stripper or an escort if she wanted to. Her oral skills got a 6 or 7. Said she wasn't that into it and didn't do it that long.

Just wanted to let everyone know there is still action in KY.

I rarely get the opportunity to monger in the afternoon hours, much less on

a Friday. The day was nice yesterday so I headed out.

Unfortunately, only a couple SWs were out, but what was the deal with LEO? I

counted six LEOs in their blue shirts on bikes a block north of Findlay

Market. And the streets were fairly empty of people in general!

Almost picked up a blonde in a longish white blouse/dress. Had already

received the look when a guy comes yelling and screaming out of his house.

Which was enough for me to drive away. Upon returning, he was still yelling

and screaming at a Metro bus, and the blonde was gone.

Just before heading home, I spotted a WSW in a light peach colored top. She

seemed low-key with her greeting, but positioning was wrong. Circled around

and she'd chosen the wrong way to go. Circled around again and then wondered

where in the hell did all those LEOs go? And then I noted that the

short-wavy-haired peach blouse gal hadn't been seen until LEO had dispersed,

and I'd been making some tight circuits.

Bagged it all and headed home. I've learned to trust my sixth-sense thoughts

though. That hasn't failed me yet.

My paranoid friend who uses me to post his experiences sends me this report, in his words:

"Saw Sara sitting on a stoop on W McM. Bleach blonde, almost a spinner, seen her face before: thin, a bit street hardened. Pulled off onto a side street, she came around and jumped right in.

For BBBJ, accepted 0.2, and immediately asked about a tip. I said if the service was right. She said she doesn't provide service without $ upfront. I usually don't, but gave it. (EVERYONE knows this is a mistake.) Found a secluded spot. She has small but pleasant soft titties, but firm body. As she started, says "I don't catch." I said that cuts into the tip. The BBBJ turned into a HJ. I said I didn't ask for a HJ. She: "Wouldn't you rather have a f**k? I have a room." She needed another 0.2, which I (mistake number two) gave it to her.

She is now on her phone, and I hear her say "I got 0.4." We are off to her "room." To shorten the story, she says she has to check on the room. Alone in the car, I am thinking, you crazy neewbie, she is gone. But she does come back, says the room is not available, we'll find another place. We head out, and she gets out the dipper and quickly lights up what she was really after. "I love to BJ on butter." I NEVER allow hitting the pipe in the car, but it came on very quickly. She says she loves giving a BJ while on butter. (Have to say, this made my heart race a bit...) Maybe... She did get personally very friendly, but FS never happened, and the BJ service was barely acceptable. But certainly not for 0.4... But once she had the $ in hand, she was in the driver's seat."

My friend is an experienced monger, and seldom makes these several neewbie mistakes, but acknowledges getting carried away by the moment. I didn't beat him up too much, but told him I thought other mongers could use the reminder of some of the rules easily overlooked.

Giani

It is always a RISK, to give money up front but it really is the norm. Too many SW's out there get Ripped-Off for service rendered. Most can't do a thing other than avoid getting Beat-Up. So asking for at least half up front is about norm, for half, and all up front for the rest. Most who render service then collect their money run a serious risk, and most time like every starter, it is a Newbie mistake on their part.

All of us have been there, but as experienced cruisers we should always know better, even when we are with our trusted SW's, you have to pull out the trump card and let them know, that regardless, you still don't play the newbie tricks. Don't just put them in check, keep them in check.

As for Service & Drugs, that is a risky thing to, since so many girls react differently after using it. I don't much like it. I have let them do it at times, but only a small hit, nothing extensive. Still I prefer not to let them. Hell, they are Stupid enough, and that shit just makes them Stupider. I got that from Cristy, and she was already dump as shit. She stayed high on drugs or alcohol. But, Man was she SEXY and one Damn good FS, High or Not.

I would suggest people AVOID, giving up any more than 5-10 bucks up front, and all tips are paid after service accordingly. Anything more and you give them the power.

REMEMBER. You find them far, far easier, than they can find MONEY to spend on their habits, so understand at all points, you are in the drivers seat, and you really control everything. They Need You More Than You Need Them. PERIOD!

And avoid ripping any SW off, unless you know she is really ripping off others. Then she is fair Rip-Off game.

Picked up a girl named tamara around the white castle, and the hotel area on central, 24, maybe 5'6", white, blonde, not your average SW, very attractive, said she had a room but I rather find a secluded spot, half and half for.40 but BBBJ was.20 very good time, nice body, doesn't say much but one of the best times I have had in a long time, no number, said she isn't out much, but if you see here she is good. For all you who play in Upper price hill, there is a girl called brandy, shes a druggy, always had a attitude or wants you to go with her to pick up here 'stuff' would actually be pretty if she wasn't into whatever she is doing, a word a caution, stay clear of her and a girl named Victoria, never finish what they start and always complaining.

This morning I went for a cruise, after reading Thumpers recent post, and I picked up a cutie little 19 year old blonde walking on central pkwy near the notels and White Castle around 5:45 AM. If she is using she is still build well. We agreed on.30 for FS with half up front. She had very nice tits and was a pretty attractive lady for a WSW. We went to my usual spot and she was all over me. Very nice young lady. I would see her again. I asked if she would let me take some pics. She declined.

[QUOTE=Mr Boombastic]I would suggest people AVOID, giving up any more than 5-10 bucks up front, and all tips are paid after service accordingly. Anything more and you give them the power.[/QUOTE]After having gotten ripped off by giving the whole amount up front, I am definitely following your advice here. Seems like they always ask for the whole amount up front, but in the future I will offer no more than half up front and if they don't agree, they are going to get dropped off with a "thanks, but no thanks." BTW, Mr. B., did you ever find out anything about that girl who ripped me off? (Gave me the name Denise, but you recognized her as Danielle.)

When I read Giani's post from a day or two ago, it sounded like one of my experiences from a few weeks back. Just to set the record straight, this one was not ME! :>)

I did see the person who was one of the ones who intro'ed me to her, and they were amazed when I told them the story.

First thing they asked is jf the person ripped off was White, I told them YES, and then it all seem to make sense to them. White guys heed the WARNING. If you allow yourself to get ripped off, ain't NOBOBY gonna care and for the most part it may be APPLAUDED. So you run the ZRISK Big Time. Thus you really need to follow the rules, No one people I talked to had any sypathy for a white male getting ripped off in a black neighborhood, trying to buy some BSW, or any SW. Even the other WSW, had no sypathy, so take great note of that and be WARNED.

As I told you before, Ripping Off White Males that look like they can't really fight back, or are afraid to, is like a Sport, to a growing nmber of SW's especially in the poorest of neighborhoods. Bill did everyone reading his post a great service by warning us, and then getting a picture of her to go along with the complain. If she is ripping off white male, it won't be long before she will be trying it on everyone, once she perfects her R/O skillz.

I was out yesterday and as I said Danielle has been MIA over the last couple of days. My contact said they saw her once over the last three days. Maybe with no more heavy rain, she will be back out and about. I intend to ask her about it personally. Of course her version will be totally different.

And giving half up front is a very good practice, but be prepared for a lot of rejection, because that can be a real deal breaker. It will make it hard to find someone decent especially when you don't have a lot of time to look.

Stand fast with your practice, and if you have the patience they will come around to your way of doing business. Just don't start ripping them off. That is a Big Deal Breaker, and ripping them off will spread quickly among them.

[QUOTE=Bill Fanta]After having gotten ripped off by giving the whole amount up front, I am definitely following your advice here. Seems like they always ask for the whole amount up front, but in the future I will offer no more than half up front and if they don't agree, they are going to get dropped off with a "thanks, but no thanks." BTW, Mr. B., did you ever find out anything about that girl who ripped me off? (Gave me the name Denise, but you recognized her as Danielle.)

When I read Giani's post from a day or two ago, it sounded like one of my experiences from a few weeks back. Just to set the record straight, this one was not ME! :>)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mr Boombastic]I did see the person who was one of the ones who intro'ed me to her, and they were amazed when I told them the story.

First thing they asked is jf the person ripped off was White, I told them YES, and then it all seem to make sense to them. White guys heed the WARNING. If you allow yourself to get ripped off, ain't NOBOBY gonna care and for the most part it may be APPLAUDED. So you run the ZRISK Big Time. Thus you really need to follow the rules, No one people I talked to had any sypathy for a white male getting ripped off in a black neighborhood, trying to buy some BSW, or any SW. Even the other WSW, had no sypathy, so take great note of that and be WARNED.

As I told you before, Ripping Off White Males that look like they can't really fight back, or are afraid to, is like a Sport, to a growing nmber of SW's especially in the poorest of neighborhoods. Bill did everyone reading his post a great service by warning us, and then getting a picture of her to go along with the complain. If she is ripping off white male, it won't be long before she will be trying it on everyone, once she perfects her R/O skillz.

I was out yesterday and as I said Danielle has been MIA over the last couple of days. My contact said they saw her once over the last three days. Maybe with no more heavy rain, she will be back out and about. I intend to ask her about it personally. Of course her version will be totally different.

And giving half up front is a very good practice, but be prepared for a lot of rejection, because that can be a real deal breaker. It will make it hard to find someone decent especially when you don't have a lot of time to look.

Stand fast with your practice, and if you have the patience they will come around to your way of doing business. Just don't start ripping them off. That is a Big Deal Breaker, and ripping them off will spread quickly among them.[/QUOTE]Thanks for checking up on what happened to me. I am sure I fall into the category of guys who are not likely to fight back when ripped off or robbed. I am old (almost 68), white, and mild mannered, so I guess I am a sitting duck! It is valuable to know that some BSWs have begun to consider it a a SPORT to take advantage of white guys. I am sure that doesn't apply to all BSWs, but it's good to know that it WILL apply to some of them.

This business of how much to give them up front is perplexing. One place in the RULES it advises to give nothing up front, but as you said, that will be a deal breaker for many SWs. Even offering half up front may be a deal breaker. I think that patience is the key here because eventually you will establish trust with one or a few SWs who know you will not rip them off.

Even though I have only been at this "hobby" for a few months, I spent about 6 months doing it back in 1992. My experiences then were nothing like the ones I have had lately.

Back in 1992, the first BSW I picked up (at 12th and Walnut - I still remember it clearly) I took back to my condo, a lengthy drive, and didn't pay until taking her back to downtown. I saw this girl often over the next six months and was in her apartment in OTR a few times. Despite the fact that she was in my condo many times, I don't believe she ever stole from me. She did lie on numerous occasions in order to get an extra few bucks, sometimes for a son it turned out was a fiction. She denied being on drugs at first, but eventually I discovered she was a crack addict. Toward the end of the time I knew her, there was an extraordinary evening during which she confessed just about every lie she had told during the 6 months I knew her. She was doing crack that evening and I was doing Gin, just to give the setting. After the first few times with her, we established a fixed pattern. When we first got back to the condo, we would take a shower together - probably the best showers I have ever had! Sadly, a few years later I was told by two different people who had known her that she was dead. She didn't make it to 30.

One other girl I saw frequently during that same period was also trustworthy in the sense that she never stole from me (even though she had opportunities to do so). She went to jail on a bad checks charge and I visited her regularly and we corresponded often.

So, given my 1992 experiences, I was totally unprepared for what happened to me with Denise (or Danielle). I always treated the girls I picked up fairly and generously. With both of the girls I mentioned above, the interactions were always friendly and we had many laughs and good times together. Once I took the first girl I mentioned to a pretty fancy restaurant in Cincinnati and thoroughly enjoyed the stares of the nearby dinners (she was black and looked like a SW while I was white, professional, and twice her age).

Mr. B., if you do run into Danielle, you can tell her that the $50 she took from me might have cost her hundreds of dollars that she won't get now. If she had been the least bit honest and decent in her dealings with me, I would have been happy to see her on a regular basis as I liked her looks.