RE: It is Okay to Support Your Team. So Long As It Is The Truth
[QUOTE=MaximusKahn;6029012]I can't speak for others but I seem to be attracted to, and find, the spas and women who don't want me to tell our secrets. I'm very much into UTR action.
I'm also anonymous at the spas and on this site, and have never been asked to post.
IMHO, any "report" or post that is a first hand experience and genuine I can appreciate.
It is easy to suspect any report that is grossly over the top to be a shill. For that matter any report that is leaning towards warning others about something is equally suspicious. A monger can give an honest poor report with out making it sound like a warning.
We can all apply the "YMWV" lenses to a report we read and make our own judgment as to it's validity.
Many Mongers are known by the girls by name and by their handle here, thus also making me suspicious of their motives and intent. But even if a monger knows the girls, spa owners, mms, they can still give a honest positive report that is useful. So long as it is first hand knowledge by their own experience.
One style of report that always makes me laugh are the guys who tell us where where they "plan" to go, or praise the places they have to check out, and never follow up. Or the ones who toss out a lot of names and say any one will make you happy without giving personal details of their own experiences with them. These guys are clearly shilling for a thrilling in some way.
They also tend to be the piggy back posters, who reinforce what other post. Or parrot back what others have said adding nothing new.
If someone knows the girls personally, reports positively and gets a little back, I'm okay with that so long as the report is honest.
And so long as they don't keep flooding the site with repeats, piggy back, or parrot posts.[/QUOTE]I mostly agree with this. I would say I was a shill for VIP and NLBC, I'll admit it. My definition of a shill is someone promoting a certain business or product. But I never got anything for free, or was paid, or anything like that. I'm simply good friends with one of the owners, so I tried to help by promoting their product. Every review I did though was firsthand, 100% honest and all those girls were absolutely incredible! Many many senior members here will back me up on this, as they too had amazing experiences with these girls. I would also receive many PM's from newer mongers, thanking me for my recommendations, and telling me how they had such an incredible experience with one of the girls. So, the way I see it, I was helping out both the girls and our monger community, it was a win / win situation.
What I never do though is discourage mongers from going to other spas. And that's where I have a real problem. There are a couple mongers here (well one I guess is no longer here, although he's already resurfacing with new handles. And we all know who the other one is and his 10+ handles. And yes, IMO, it's TWO different people), who literally would say things like, if you go to VIP in Spring Valley, you risk being mugged or getting arrested. What the hell is that? And one of these "mongers" conspired with the "competition" to commit criminal acts and leveled false accusations against them with the authorities (we have proof of this). So yeah, that's kinda where I draw the line.
Mr MuffMan.
You might want to take a step back and chill bro.
[QUOTE=PoonTangJohnny;6032089] The bottom line: Nobody, & I repeat, NOBODY, here in San Diego, (AMP or AAMP), could compete with the level of service that VIP / VIP 2 was providing to us hobbyist, and the lost revenue was hitting them in their pocket books big time, so they resorted to both sabotage and vandalism and attacked them in every way possible until they finally succeeded in driving them out of town. [/QUOTE]For the right price, yeah. You can find way better services in San Diego. That's the beauty of hobby; The never ending unicorn hunt. Never say never in this field man. That's the dumbest shit you can actually say to veteran hobbyists LOL.
But seriously though bro, don't you dare worry about their money. It's probably the least thing you need to actually worry about.
[QUOTE=PoonTangJohnny;6032089] But despised this 1 A-hole (Dude / Ryan / Jizalot and Jaguar-all 1 in the same) [/QUOTE]Regardless of how direct and straightforward Ryan writes, I highly doubt Ryan had any malicious intent toward VIP? What the fuck is this accusation? He seems to be the most stable person I've seen on this forum so far, who isn't fully swung by emotions when writing reports / posts.
[QUOTE=PoonTangJohnny;6032089]And I was greatly rewarded of my loyalty, with perks! I'm sure not too many other guys got to enjoy; the unicorn type services. As well as the on about half a dozen different occasions, when VIP2 was under supposedly under renovation (NEWS ALERT: THEY WERE'NT).
I was given Carte Blanche VIP2 privileges and would have the entire place to myself along with 2 girls who would make the drive over from VIP in SV around 11 p,m. And 2 other times when Cici over there alone and met me. Complete with candles, champagne and music.
So fuck yeah, if I'm feeling "pretty mother fucking far from ok" at the moment- It's because I am! We will never, ever, get this level of VIP Disneyland service back.[/QUOTE]I mean, Can you not hear what you are saying? You're literally obsessed and completely biased. Step back and chill bro. You are literally going through some heavy withdrawal shit man.
We were the clients, they were the awesome providers. We all had good times with them but things have changed. Some of you might still be banging the infamous girls personally on the side, but seriously, who cares??
Show is over, why do we need to still talk about this dead business on the forum and get fucking mad about it? If they resurface, nice! Do let us know! If they don't, that's fine too. But let's not talk like we have some weird ass obligations to end this aggression. Let them handle their business, don't be their pawns.
Lots of Real Contributors
[QUOTE=SDJaziKing;6033098]Like, how did you guys even notice all this? Just by doing a simple math, I come to an only conclusion; we have insanely few 'real' members who actually contribute on the forums. It's pretty fucking sad actually.[/QUOTE]Actually, there are lots of real and contributing members but you just need to know who they are and find those with your similar tastes and avoid the clone accounts.
I don't think the judgement is out on you yet. Your very first reviews was for a poor AAMP group and you mentioned you are a longtime lurker who recreated an account to post about Cris. Some may say you created the "clone" account to boost her business with your reviews for her group.
Thank you guys for speaking up!
To all of you member's quoted below: I just wanted to express my sincerest thanks / gratitude, for all of you speaking up here. We hobbyist's, lost a very wonderful group of girls (VIP) and the dynamic services and a level of excitement, that just doesn't come along very often. We who were lucky enough to enjoy and experience this ride for ourselves. WE KNOW, what a hot fantasy ride this was, and more importantly, what we lost, needlessly!
This should, never be allowed to happen again. I'm pissed, and I won't be taking a step back! It's just not how I was raised (core values) and who I am. I'm old school- I much more prefer discussing things / issues, man to man. But unfortunately, we live in the day of the internet, and cowards. Where people like this, shill / competition, can do pretty much whatever they want, with anonymity. Until they blow their cover that is. Which is exactly what this person did, when he went to VIP2 casing their joint out. It's all on video, and he wasn't wearing a mask this time, like the 2 late nights of terror when he smashed in the front window / door at VIP SV. As the girls were sleeping literally within a few feet away.
I want thank you guys, for showing compassion, in regards to what the sweet girls (innocent victims) were put through, and most of all, didn't deserve. This was 100% done by a competition! This was vindictive and pure evil.
[QUOTE=JuvyNiled;6031111]I know you guys probably think these are just overzealous supporters, but you should guy be aware that this forum is frequented very often by bookers and pimps. As I have stated to others privately, I will say it here now. I'm pretty certain that was a booker or someone affiliated with management. They have a strong incentive to get you to check out their business, and at some point it started becoming really unethical.
They didn't put up reports for their more popular members for obvious reasons. The reports would always come for usually newer girls or girls whose business was likely slowly down. And this would be okay to do in my opinion. If they were accurate reports. But they weren't. All the girls did not look like their pictures, and they would always say, "we don't post real pictures to protect their identities". Yeah okay that's great, but they LITERALLY look nothing like the picture that was posted.
And the excessive amount of name changes for some girls. You guys are aware of why they do this right? If a girl has a bad rep or is simply not getting enough business, they keep rebranding the girl. And then they try to package the shit back to us as if we don't know any better. That's not good. If the girls don't look as good or don't provide good service, they should be punished with fewer customers until they do better.
Does Petra need a name change? No. Does Ash need a name change? No. Even Tatum, does she need a name change? No, because they either provide good service, look good, or both.
And then there were rumors that might have been true that this person was sabotaging operations at NLBC and VIP to promote Cris's girls. And that group literally sucks but they keep getting glowing reports here, even though the reports on TER are mediocre for the price.
This is all bad for mongers. It's very bad business.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SirBishop;6024451]I was told to stop "arguing" with those clones or I would be moderated. And that was the first month one of the clones appeared on the board. First question that hit me when I saw the notice of the removal, "how do you know which clone he is"? What I do know about websites is this. Every time you visit a site, your IP address, Device Name, User name, etc are captured in a log. What the public can't see in a post is the IP Address of the poster. Doesn't take much to gather data on the IP Address and associate it with a User then check the email address of that user. That's all part of the backend of this system. Easy to track people.
Now that I wake up every morning to bacon and can't but wonder of these admins are going to start researching and see if these new clones go back to a dude. Geolocation will certainly help them. No, this is not over by a long shot.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RolfTorren;6022968]Agreed. That Dude and his many clones effectively poisoned honest discussion here with self-serving disinformation. I'm now "moderated" because I dared to question the integrity of one such clone. So be it. Sure, we can all "just get along" so long as we all play fair. I think it was allowed tonfester for far too long. And its not over yet by a long shot.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JuvyNiled;6022942]That's great and all, but this former member was divisive as hell. Anytime anyone made an honest negative remark about the girls he represented, he would lash out at them. And not only that, they used to post negative reviews here and on TER until they got called out for it. And then he would create mediocre but slightly positive reviews for girls from non-SDAG or Cris's Crap group to make it seem like he was impartial. He would always make glowing review for girls that were CLEARLY not good and likely not getting enough bookings. If you can't understand that person's intentions now, then you're very naive.
This behavior is unacceptable. And the number of alternate accounts posting reviews and shilling the original ad is overwhelming. I am confident there are still several accounts that are tied to them simply based on the content. No one else is posting any kind of crap in favor of any the masseuses at Cris's group, because they are overpriced and not good to look at.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TrustyHairlip;6021767]I think the purpose of this forum is to provide accurate information and to be helpful to fellow mongers. It is not helpful when someone is being paid (paid in free service, or kickback or whatever) to post false reports in an attempt to increase business to a specific girl or group. Or, to do the opposite, and talk shit about a girl / organization in an attempt to hurt their business.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tijuaniko;6014123]Hello gentlemen. I'd like to start by saying that I very much appreciate this forum and the community that has grown around it. Here, we've been afforded an opportunity to seek out those things we are interested in and even to experience those others that perhaps we were never aware existed or could be of interest to us. I am grateful for the knowledge, experience, and anecdotes that are shared here and which have been very helpful in making my efforts more fruitful. Many of you already know that I am more than happy to share my own experiences when my time permits. Having said all that, I may now be risking taking a stance that may prove unpopular with some. That is, I don't fucking care who gets what for free, who pays less for what, or whether my mileage varies. It's part of the game we play and I am not troubled that others are more astute at receiving the aforementioned gifts from the phenomenal women we all seek. If anything, God bless them for getting freebies and gimmies. Not a single one of us would decline such an offer in exchange for a review that is honest but favorable. All I propose is that we take this forum for what it is, an opportunity to share and build community. If some members want to spend hours debating, arguing, and spewing hateful rhetoric then I will simply ignore it and mine the information that is useful for me from their comments. Believe me, I have never had a bad experience with any of the ladies or places that have been shared here favorably before. So who gives a shit what the transactional component of the arrangement was between a member and a provider? Please, just focus on the purpose of this forum and put suppositions and jealousy aside. Let's just get along and hope that we continue to be as fortunate through our shared information as we all have been already. Thanks for reading.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the tech tip
[QUOTE=SirBishop;6024451]I was told to stop "arguing" with those clones or I would be moderated. And that was the first month one of the clones appeared on the board. First question that hit me when I saw the notice of the removal, "how do you know which clone he is"? What I do know about websites is this. Every time you visit a site, your IP address, Device Name, User name, etc are captured in a log. What the public can't see in a post is the IP Address of the poster. Doesn't take much to gather data on the IP Address and associate it with a User then check the email address of that user. That's all part of the backend of this system. Easy to track people.
Now that I wake up every morning to bacon and can't but wonder of these admins are going to start researching and see if these new clones go back to a dude. Geolocation will certainly help them. No, this is not over by a long shot.[/QUOTE]From the fucking 80's. IP information is fucking useless which is why we don't log it. I'm not going to give a class to help trolls improve their game on how to spoof your IP but even without doing anything since the explosion of smart phones IP info is less than useless for what you're describing. Because the internet still pretty much functions on IP 4 but has so many devices that IP 6 addressing is needed what ISP's do is something called NAT (Network Address Translation) [URL]https://avinetworks.com/glossary/network-address-translation/#:~:text=Network%20Address%20Translation%20(NAT)%20is,private%20network%20a%20public%20address[/URL] I'll just thumbnail it for you since you're a fucking idiot.
ALL of these trolls, AND YOU come from the same IP as we see it. Your phone has an IP 6 address (looks like this fe80 d4 a8:6435: d2 d8: d9 f3 b11) but then when it hits your ISP it's converted to IP 4 (looks like [URL]XXX.XXX.XX[/URL][URL]X.XXX[/URL]) so literally 10's of thousands of people have the same IP address publicly.
The way to get rid of trolls is really fucking simple, trolls CRAVE attention, every single fucking time you guys address them you encourage them to post more.
I identify them, label them, and suggest you ignore them. You do not, you are part of the problem.
Next time know what the fuck you're talking about.
A2.
It's all about credibility
[QUOTE=SDJaziKing;6033941]If you actually read my review on Cris, I wasn't even siding on their business. I actually talked shit about my session being shorted and the girl didn't even look like the pictures. Now ask yourself, does that help promoting their business at all?[/QUOTE]It's all good!
I believed with my MBA degree I might know a little bit about business practices. There are lots of ways to promote a business, even if a review was totally all negative but yours wasn't all negative. LOL.
By posting about the business, you were promoting it. By giving the girl you saw an overall 8 out 10 for service, you were promoting the business, even if she was only a 4 in looks. By stating and restating the $140 value for BBBJ and CFS session you received you (a bargain) were promoting the business. Just sayin.
But to answer your original question, YES there are many real contributing members on the forum.
When someone's first post is for a place already known by many trusted mongers to deliver poor service, bait and switch, etc. And by you stating that you are a long time lurker who recreated the account for the purpose of writing the review for that establishment, it makes people wonder your true intentions especially with the history with the "Dude" and this establishment. It's all about credibility! Only time will tell. Thanks for showing interests, reading and responding to my original post that was a reply and intended to those members. LOL.
He is still very much active
Case in point, I posted an honest but critical review of a girl from SDAG by the name of EJ. Thought she was cute but the connection and service were lacking.
One of the alts I suspected responded by claiming that she was awesome (which is perfectly fine) but then had the gall to claim that my post history was full of negative comments about girls from the agency.
Like really? If the stock of providers is providing less and less quality than they use to, then it's every right of ours to call it out. I am tired of SDAG peddling subpar shit to us for a much greater up charge.
Why Does Everyone Think They Are Entitled
Ok, we've got members here that shill and / or promote. Nothing new and the posts are not against site policy. It just makes it harder for us to weed through the shit. What would you do if someone started calling out, in public on YouTube, that your site is promoting sex trafficking?
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqvyfD0F6x4[/URL]
This video is going to cause problems. Issues way above a few shills. Someone took down SDASP and My Red in a public fashion because they didn't get their way and felt entitled to fuck it up for everyone else.
Aftershocks Still Being Felt
[QUOTE=SirBishop;6036324]Ok, we've got members here that shill and / or promote. Nothing new and the posts are not against site policy. It just makes it harder for us to weed through the shit. What would you do if someone started calling out, in public on YouTube, that your site is promoting sex trafficking?
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqvyfD0F6x4[/URL]
This video is going to cause problems. Issues way above a few shills. Someone took down SDASP and My Red in a public fashion because they didn't get their way and felt entitled to fuck it up for everyone else.[/QUOTE]We are still experiencing the aftershocks related to the loss of MyRedBook and SDASP. The loss of these two fine sites created a vacuum that was filled by the likes of PD. In NorCal, to this day, there is still no quality (IMHO) escort site. Even animals don't sh%t where they eat, why do some of our fellow pervs do so?
Here For Fun / A real pity. Doth Protest Too Much?!
[QUOTE=SDJaziKing;6018284]We are all here for fun time bro, but let's not forget what we are doing behind the curtains LOL[/QUOTE]This is the most laughable / hypocritical statement I've read here on the USA; no surprise, coming from you.
The problem is, some of us here (who "are actually here, wanting to enjoy the 'FUN' are no longer able to enjoy the 'FUN' that we prefer (AMP VIP / VIP2). Because of this shill / competitor AAMP here with an agenda of sabotage. Everyone here, knows exactly who you are. It's so funny / predictable how you've been baited of your shell these past few days and exposed yourself, for who we knew you were. Only now, it's confirmed!
This Curb Your Enthusiasm YT video, reminds me a lot of you, SDJK, for 2 reasons: One, because you remind me so much of this "doth protest too much," actress. And secondly, because you act like / behave, just like the Big 'V' internet coward you've demonstrated yourself to be. LOL.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zret7O8YoU[/URL]
And just an FYI to all of the AAMP owner's reading this: The reality is, that it will be, a very sad (senseless) 'pity,' if you AAMP owner's, don't start policing your own. Because if any of you, ever again think about targeting another AMP here in San Diego (like you did VIP / VIP2). Be prepared for a very rude awakening. And the domino effect that will soon follow.
I just felt the need to finally address some of the hypocrisy "we're here for the fun" for quite sometime. Not to worry- On ignore you will stay, however, the ignore feature, unfortunately, doesn't hide the all the dribble / shill BS, when you're being quoted by the other reputable / respected member's here, calling you out, for who you are.
Cheers!
[QUOTE=RChangDatyKing;6036083]He has 11 posts total and one of them was deleted by Admin because the content was considered as pointless drama, etc. His has one or 2 other posts where he's taking jabs at other members about their reviews. It's their experience, why care?
It's all about credibility and the guy with his 2-3 sentence posts / reviews has no credibility. People are going to trust your reviews / intel over his every time.[/QUOTE]I didn't realize until 2 days ago, that that Dude pariah, and his other Del Mar Surfdog shill account were both banned by the Admin here. Where has that Ryan "Dude" been BTW? He's sure been really quiet lately. LOL Fucking lowlife coward! It's hilarious, how the cat's got his tongue, since these 2 douchbag shills were banned.
[QUOTE=MrMuffMan;6036105]What the fuck are you talking about. That ship and discussion has long since sailed. We're talking about crimes that were committed against them, get it? We know who Mr RubMaps is. We have him on video, we know what he looks like, and we have him positively identified. Are you him? That I cannot prove, but I have a hard time understanding why anybody who's not him would be debating us this passionately about this. If you are indeed not him, and just some idiot behind a keyboard, my suggestion to you is to shut up and stay out of this. This is very serious and we're not messing around. If you are him, then by all means, keep replying, you're doing us a favor.
Mr MuffMan.[/QUOTE]He, 'IS' him! But he's just not smart enough, nor does he possess the the self control, to "shut up and stay out of this. ".
[QUOTE=SirBishop;6036324]Ok, we've got members here that shill and / or promote. Nothing new and the posts are not against site policy. It just makes it harder for us to weed through the shit. What would you do if someone started calling out, in public on YouTube, that your site is promoting sex trafficking?
This video is going to cause problems. Issues way above a few shills. Someone took down SDASP and My Red in a public fashion because they didn't get their way and felt entitled to fuck it up for everyone else.[/QUOTE]I may be a newer member here on the USA, but I've been in this hobby, for a very long time. I too, was very active on MyRedbook, TER, Erotic Monkey, to just name a few. MyRedbook was my favorite, and FWIW, I had some of my best experiences with some of the amazing hotties while I was on there. That was back when I was living up in Monterey and Santa Cruz. Losing MyRedbook, was a huge blow to this hobby when they were shut down. I've only been partaking in the AMP / AAMP hobby (not counting Anna in Japan who I would drive up to the OC who I see about a half dozen times a few years back). Losing VIP / VIP2 and some of these amazing girls I had established a wonderful relationship / repor with. Along with those crazy fantasy hot threesomes they (Mina) would bless me / us with. Losing this as a "go to" option, is inexcusable and unforgivable! What was done to these girls at VIP / VIP2, should never be allowed to ever happen here in San Diego again. And if we don't nip this in the bud- who will!
[QUOTE=JuvyNiled;6036415]Wholeheartedly agreed. Even Candygirl up in LA is beginning to realize that some girls are simply not marketable because they look like shit or their service sucks, so they put out "Specials" ads for them at lower rates. Now this isn't completely ideal but it's a huge step in the right direction. When a girl is not good, she deserves to get less business and should opt for lower rates. It's just how a free market of pussy should work.[/QUOTE]I want to express my profound thanks once again, for speaking up, in relation to what some of us veteran hobbyist, lost (VIP / VIP2), at the hands of the vindictive cowards (competition / shills) here in San Diego, who clearly couldn't compete and resorted to their despicable, low life criminal terrorist tactics.
I would like to emphasize and reiterate once again: I have been very patient, and shown great restraint, for not retaliating back when all of this senseless drama / these attacks, first began against VIP / VIP2. I heeded the advice of of one of the most reputable and respected member's on this forum. It was his keen perspective (empathy for his fellow hobbyists as well as some of the innocent awesome AAMP providers working here in San Diego), responsible for me, taking a step back. Most of all- these innocent AAMP girls, don't deserve to be collateral damage, for their greedy owners's actions. Hopefully, these AAMP owner's will wise up and can just get on with this hobby. But after what they've done to the VIP girls, the AAMP's here in SD have lost me as a customer for life.
I really do want to thank the Admin here once again, for taking out the trash (some of at least). This has to be a very difficult / time consuming job to do.
I realize my place here (as a hobbyist), and I really am trying my best not to over step any boundaries here. But somebody here needs to be a voice for these girls, from VIP / VIP2, in light of what they've suffered through (so much emotional trauma), needlessly.
Bottom Line: The power / business in this AMP / AAMP hobby has shifted. If Cris, SDAG, FEC (to name a few) want to be able to compete with the current level of service / quality talent, all they have to do is, bring in a better quality product to the table. It's pretty basic simple Business 101.
Never knew this form was herel. Nails Sir Bishop to the wall
[QUOTE=Admin2;6033782]I'll just thumbnail it for you since you're a fucking idiot.
ALL of these trolls, AND YOU come from the same IP as we see it. Your phone has an IP 6 address (looks like this fe80 d4 a8:6435: d2 d8: d9 f3 b11) but then when it hits your ISP it's converted to IP 4 (looks like [URL]XXX.XXX.XX[/URL][URL]X.XXX[/URL]) so literally 10's of thousands of people have the same IP address publicly.
The way to get rid of trolls is really fucking simple, trolls CRAVE attention, every single fucking time you guys address them you encourage them to post more.
Next time know what the fuck you're talking about Sir Bishop
A2.[/QUOTE]Thanks A2 . 100 %.
Funny thread I just discovered
Who wants to make the over and under on when the old. "VIP vips" show up talking about how they are the special guys that know all of these girls, should be funny because none of them have appeared at all but I know they're coming and claiming that they knew that Mina and Lisa were coming back. Absolutely hilarious.
Place your bets.
