Grand Rapids Pugilistic Society

[QUOTE=Benz1;4672856]I was speaking in General. I watched that spread and was laughing with you, almost joined in and resisted. I made a post and deleted it within the hour.We can all read the reason for a redaction and there have been a few about Non argumentative topics that I look passed.Example; Monger was trying to tell others not to share information. Non combative topics are ok with me.When it says Argumentative. I delete them from my list[/QUOTE]Somehow I got two argumentative flags when I wasn't even arguing. I told a one post member who said he doesn't contribute a lot that he only has one post and he doesn't contribute at all. I even took the time to answer he question still. Then I said the the recent Breezy / Tatiana post was BS and got flagged again. The post was obviously made up by another one post member who we'll never hear from again. Anything I post now has to be reviewed first but like the title says whatever.

[QUOTE=Rome123;4674061]Somehow I got two argumentative flags when I wasn't even arguing. I told a one post member who said he doesn't contribute a lot that he only has one post and he doesn't contribute at all. I even took the time to answer he question still. Then I said the the recent Breezy / Tatiana post was BS and got flagged again. The post was obviously made up by another one post member who we'll never hear from again. Anything I post now has to be reviewed first but like the title says whatever.[/QUOTE]I would have said the same thing but I have restrained myself a lot. I often post something re read it and take it down and ignore them.

A2 explained to us a long time ago the split between Lurkers (visitors), registered members that never post, Newbie posts and Senior member posts.

There are currently 2189 users online. 511 members and 1678 guests.

Most users ever online was 6,543,05-29-18 at 12:24.

Seniors are a minority, we need to be nice and invite them to participate. Converting guests to members then to active members is difficult.

Don't worry Rome, you come by it honestly. You were beaten down by Teddbear for a week straight. He was White Knighting Jen the Junkie after you wrote a Honest review of her. Only after that did others chime in and ride your wave. I'm confused why Ted didn't get banned at that time. It all started on 11/13/17 If anyone wants to look it up Backpage reviews post number 15306. The Bashing continued on this Thread GR Pugilistic Society post number 235 on 11/14/17. The reason why Teddbear did not get banned with his comments on this thread is because this is the fight thread. Still no excuse for a Senior member to go ON and ON Feelings hurt? So what Grow up.

Meanwhile. He vented in the right place. This is where it is supposed to land Not on any other thread. The reason why I know is because I was told by A2 also. Infact the fight thread was created because of myself and a few others. A2 said put it here or go back on moderation or possibly get banned. Thats how I learned.

Back to Rome123, he did not deserve the bashing from TeddBear and either do the rest of the newbies. Most of the newbies go away. We're glad that Rome could take a lickin and Keep on Tickin! We should be grooming Newbies not bashing. A Hat Tippo to PrivateParts for his New Member Guide. Now we have a place to direct and train them to become one of us.

I know of some senior members that got back off moderation and are posting live now.

IMO Rome123 has always been a good soldier on this site. Thank you Rome for your service to USA. Don't worry about that redaction.

[QUOTE=Benz1;4674412]I would have said the same thing but I have restrained myself a lot. I often post something re read it and take it down and ignore them.

A2 explained to us a long time ago the split between Lurkers (visitors), registered members that never post, Newbie posts and Senior member posts.

There are currently 2189 users online. 511 members and 1678 guests.

Most users ever online was 6,543,05-29-18 at 12:24.

Seniors are a minority, we need to be nice and invite them to participate. Converting guests to members then to active members is difficult.

Don't worry Rome, you come by it honestly. You were beaten down by Teddbear for a week straight. He was White Knighting Jen the Junkie after you wrote a Honest review of her. Only after that did others chime in and ride your wave. I'm confused why Ted didn't get banned at that time. It all started on 11/13/17 If anyone wants to look it up Backpage reviews post number 15306. The Bashing continued on this Thread GR Pugilistic Society post number 235 on 11/14/17. The reason why Teddbear did not get banned with his comments on this thread is because this is the fight thread. Still no excuse for a Senior member to go ON and ON Feelings hurt? So what Grow up.

Meanwhile. He vented in the right place. This is where it is supposed to land Not on any other thread. The reason why I know is because I was told by A2 also. Infact the fight thread was created because of myself and a few others. A2 said put it here or go back on moderation or possibly get banned. Thats how I learned.

Back to Rome123, he did not deserve the bashing from TeddBear and either do the rest of the newbies. Most of the newbies go away. We're glad that Rome could take a lickin and Keep on Tickin! We should be grooming Newbies not bashing. A Hat Tippo to PrivateParts for his New Member Guide. Now we have a place to direct and train them to become one of us.

I know of some senior members that got back off moderation and are posting live now.

IMO Rome123 has always been a good soldier on this site. Thank you Rome for your service to USA. Don't worry about that redaction.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I'll answer questions about providers if it's a girl I've seen. I'll post a review if it's a provider no one has seen. I'll steer clear of the so called argumentative stuff. Only hear to help.

Wow I somehow missed that whole Teddbear Jenn thing back then. Jenn had her flaws but she gave head like she enjoyed doing it and had a sweet personality But for sure a saggy mushy body. I kind of felt bad for her as she was a sweet young girl who got hooked on the candy and ruined her life. That said, all reviews should be honest. I've left poor reviews of Friends of Benz referrals. MY opinion is what it is. Benz respects that.

But yes, keep your FU posts in this thread only! That's why my UTR post below is here. I knew it was borderline offensive and didn't want A2's wrath LOL!

[QUOTE=Benz1;4674412]I would have said the same thing but I have restrained myself a lot. I often post something re read it and take it down and ignore them.

A2 explained to us a long time ago the split between Lurkers (visitors), registered members that never post, Newbie posts and Senior member posts.

There are currently 2189 users online. 511 members and 1678 guests.

Most users ever online was 6,543,05-29-18 at 12:24.

Seniors are a minority, we need to be nice and invite them to participate. Converting guests to members then to active members is difficult.

Don't worry Rome, you come by it honestly. You were beaten down by Teddbear for a week straight. He was White Knighting Jen the Junkie after you wrote a Honest review of her. Only after that did others chime in and ride your wave. I'm confused why Ted didn't get banned at that time. It all started on 11/13/17 If anyone wants to look it up Backpage reviews post number 15306. The Bashing continued on this Thread GR Pugilistic Society post number 235 on 11/14/17. The reason why Teddbear did not get banned with his comments on this thread is because this is the fight thread. Still no excuse for a Senior member to go ON and ON Feelings hurt? So what Grow up.

Meanwhile. He vented in the right place. This is where it is supposed to land Not on any other thread. The reason why I know is because I was told by A2 also. Infact the fight thread was created because of myself and a few others. A2 said put it here or go back on moderation or possibly get banned. Thats how I learned.

Back to Rome123, he did not deserve the bashing from TeddBear and either do the rest of the newbies. Most of the newbies go away. We're glad that Rome could take a lickin and Keep on Tickin! We should be grooming Newbies not bashing. A Hat Tippo to PrivateParts for his New Member Guide. Now we have a place to direct and train them to become one of us.

I know of some senior members that got back off moderation and are posting live now.

IMO Rome123 has always been a good soldier on this site. Thank you Rome for your service to USA. Don't worry about that redaction.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monger01;4675640]Wow I somehow missed that whole Teddbear Jenn thing back then. Jenn had her flaws but she gave head like she enjoyed doing it and had a sweet personality But for sure a saggy mushy body. I kind of felt bad for her as she was a sweet young girl who got hooked on the candy and ruined her life. That said, all reviews should be honest. I've left poor reviews of Friends of Benz referrals. MY opinion is what it is. Benz respects that.

But yes, keep your FU posts in this thread only! That's why my UTR post below is here. I knew it was borderline offensive and didn't want A2's wrath LOL![/QUOTE]If we're not writing honest reviews, this site is worth less and possibly worthless.

Other sites have reviews available but are not believable. The only real review site is usasexguide. All of us are responsible for it's integrity.

[QUOTE=Benz1;4675794]If we're not writing honest reviews, this site is worth less and possibly worthless.

Other sites have reviews available but are not believable. The only real review site is usasexguide. All of us are responsible for it's integrity.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. Writing honest reviews are why USA is the best, even if we have different experiences with a provider it's still important to let us know. We're in this together, and the honesty helps.

[QUOTE=IrishGuy77;4676382]Totally agree. Writing honest reviews are why USA is the best, even if we have different experiences with a provider it's still important to let us know. We're in this together, and the honesty helps.[/QUOTE]Only if members are writing reviews that are not subjective. I always roll my eyes when I read a review about a hot new provider. "Hot" is subjective. Stick to the facts like body type, physical descriptions, services rendered, demeanor, etc. Writing about how great looking a provider does nothing for anyone as everyone here sees beauty differently.

[QUOTE=Libertas;4677524]Only if members are writing reviews that are not subjective. I always roll my eyes when I read a review about a hot new provider. "Hot" is subjective. Stick to the facts like body type, physical descriptions, services rendered, demeanor, etc. Writing about how great looking a provider does nothing for anyone as everyone here sees beauty differently.[/QUOTE]I'm guilty of using subjective terms to describe a provider or an experience. You make a good point and I'm making mental notes in order to provide better more constructive reviews in the future. I know that I have been mislead by such terms from other mongers only to be disappointed in my personal experience with said "hot" provider.

Since this is the fight thread. Maybe you should remind us to keep our fucking subjective opinions to our damn selves as there is no place for them on this board.

[QUOTE=Benz1;4681546]Rotating the good talent would suck. If parlors always did this, we would be in constant search.

That's not for me, I like going to Serenity where I know what I'm getting, with the exception of last night.

Called ahead for a cup of coffee on my way home last night. Surprised Hayley was there, it was past 8. When I arrived, I was escorted to a room with her two talented girls Layla and Jade. Hayley arrived with coffee and had the girls pin me to the table while Hayley told them what to do. Ripping my clothes off to start. Told Hayley, I don't have time for this unless it's quick and dirty. Hayley is Definitely a Dom girl and her ladies like taking orders.

It wasn't Quick. Wife was dinging my phone all the way home. The coffee was cold but the night was hot.

Seeing the same talented girls consistently pays off.

They know what you like.

I will repeat.

[URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/serenity-new-therapists/435270914565[/URL][/QUOTE]Humm did this become penthouse forum? No one else ever has your "experiences" as your "followers" say you must be a god! Or a b / s'er just my opinion.

Yes, you can take any risk you find acceptable and yes we all do to a point. But disclosing where you work to a provider is plain dumb, sorry.

As for the "fatass" comment, she's a bbw. Her ass is fat. Are we pretending its not? I recently posted a review of jasmine stating tight round ass. I also mentioned her tits are saggy. Also true. My goal isn't to be in Jasmine's good graces. Its to post my experience and opinion of her for other Mongers. This includes negatives.

This isn't a diplomatic refuge. We review hookers!

Below in another discussion Benz called Jen Savage "Jen the junky". Is it disparaging? Yes buts its also accurate. I liked Jen. Saw her many times but I'm not all butt hurt over Benz's comments because I'm not her white knight. I was her customer.

My post warning mongers against giving out vital info. That could hurt them later stands. Its good advice I gave.
And the guests on this board can also decide if my warning is worth considering hence it is posted too.
I hope you get many free dates with Jordan for all the whiteknight posts you put up lately.

[QUOTE=GMacMan;4683955]A few comments for this forum to clarify my position on some of the points you make for the lurkers on this board, then we take it over to the pugilist page if you want to discuss further.

1) She sounds "bitchy" to those that don't like her requirements. She has just as much right to protect herself just as we want to protect ourselves. If someone doesn't like it, they can move on, but she has never been bitchy with me.

2) Calling providers "fatass" is completely unecessary. I certainly have never called a provider any derogetory names regardless of whether I have had a bad or good experience with them. Respect is currency.

3) I don't give all providers my info. There is a level of quality difference between providers like her and ones that live and work from a hotel room and / or post a million ads a day.

4) As far as legal issues, just someone having my name and extra info about me will not lead to a conviction for anything. Regarding extortion, I don't leave that as an option. I don't take out billboard ads, but I don't hide that I play either.

5) We all take riskes in this and will continue to do so until this activity if fully decriminalized. I make measured risks based on my circumstances and goals, which may not be suitable for everyone.

In the end, she a solid mature BBW provider with some requirements to protect herself. The guests on this board can decided if they want to pay to play or if they want to take a pass. All without needing to resort to derogetory name calling.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. At the end of the day, giving out information like work and anything of that nature is insane. I mean I can't speak for everyone but it's just not worth giving up your livelihood for an hour of fun. There's plenty of providers who don't need this kind of sensitive information and just have as much as fun. I get why you want to white knight but it's a review board and people rely on honest reviews. Glad that your experience with her has been good but as always YMMV so that's why these reviews have to be as unbiased as possible. I mean don't get me wrong I have my favorites and go to but if they start to change as far as quality or whatever the case is I am going to give an updated review stating so. I understand safety for everyone but I am not going to put anyone's well being over mine. Its greedy but you bet your ass that the providers will do the same.

[QUOTE=Monger01;4684146]Yes, you can take any risk you find acceptable and yes we all do to a point. But disclosing where you work to a provider is plain dumb, sorry.

As for the "fatass" comment, she's a bbw. Her ass is fat. Are we pretending its not? I recently posted a review of jasmine stating tight round ass. I also mentioned her tits are saggy. Also true. My goal isn't to be in Jasmine's good graces. Its to post my experience and opinion of her for other Mongers. This includes negatives.

This isn't a diplomatic refuge. We review hookers!

Below in another discussion Benz called Jen Savage "Jen the junky". Is it disparaging? Yes buts its also accurate. I liked Jen. Saw her many times but I'm not all butt hurt over Benz's comments because I'm not her white knight. I was her customer.

My post warning mongers against giving out vital info. That could hurt them later stands. Its good advice I gave.
And the guests on this board can also decide if my warning is worth considering hence it is posted too.
I hope you get many free dates with Jordan for all the whiteknight posts you put up lately.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monger01;4684146]Yes, you can take any risk you find acceptable and yes we all do to a point. But disclosing where you work to a provider is plain dumb, sorry.

As for the "fatass" comment, she's a bbw. Her ass is fat. Are we pretending its not? I recently posted a review of jasmine stating tight round ass. I also mentioned her tits are saggy. Also true. My goal isn't to be in Jasmine's good graces. Its to post my experience and opinion of her for other Mongers. This includes negatives.

This isn't a diplomatic refuge. We review hookers!

Below in another discussion Benz called Jen Savage "Jen the junky". Is it disparaging? Yes buts its also accurate. I liked Jen. Saw her many times but I'm not all butt hurt over Benz's comments because I'm not her white knight. I was her customer.

My post warning mongers against giving out vital info. That could hurt them later stands. Its good advice I gave.
And the guests on this board can also decide if my warning is worth considering hence it is posted too.
I hope you get many free dates with Jordan for all the whiteknight posts you put up lately.[/QUOTE]You do like your name calling. I've been called a lot of things by a lot of people, but being called a white knight is a first.

I wasn't white knighting Jordan, I was defending your attack on my personal choices. I invite you over to here to settle this, since you obviously had some chip to get off your shoulder and you double down on the personal attacks. I don't get you. I put up a post about my experience with someone and my willingness to share info with a higher end provider and come unhinged. Katana requires verification with a picture of you with your I'd (Driver's License) and I didn't see you coming unhinged over that. What kind of forum is this going to be if guys like you personally attack other posters? You like putting on display that anyone that posts something you don't agree with is going to get attacked? I post a positive experience, where, in the forum, nobody had any experience with her and there were questions about her. What do I get for it? Someone starts making personal attacks. Good example to show the 6000 lurkers that Benz was talking about that view this board but don't contribute.

Do you offer sound advice? Certainly, for the kinds of girls you usually see. However, there are those of us that want something different than you. Shocker, I know. I offered clear direction on where she stands and whether she is legit and safe. Isn't that what this board is for? Everyone doesn't have to agree with me, but there are those that will like to know that if someone wants to see your LinkedIn page, is she as confidential and safe as she says. Don't like that some guys are free to share that much? Fine, state your difference and move on, no need to attack me personally.

I'm not sure why you bring up diplomacy, I was saying that your name calling shows a lack of respect. Which you have reinforced by doubling down in your response me. There is a difference between saying "She has a fat ass" and "She's a fatass. " Is there anyone else on the board that thinks those say the same thing?

Bottom line: I posted that I've seen a provider that requires validation. I offered my experience and my thoughts on her process. I expressed that she is safe, she isn't a junky and has never violated my trust. It was information relevant based on the posts before hand. I just don't see how any of this is white knighting. But, if name calling and cating doubt on the validity of my post makes you feel better, good for you!

You mention the guests on here and I have to say, I find it hard to believe anyone is going to want to post their experinces and risk getting attacked.

You've done a real bang up job here. Good going!!

[QUOTE=GRDiver;4684369]Agreed. At the end of the day, giving out information like work and anything of that nature is insane. I mean I can't speak for everyone but it's just not worth giving up your livelihood for an hour of fun. There's plenty of providers who don't need this kind of sensitive information and just have as much as fun. I get why you want to white knight but it's a review board and people rely on honest reviews. Glad that your experience with her has been good but as always YMMV so that's why these reviews have to be as unbiased as possible. I mean don't get me wrong I have my favorites and go to but if they start to change as far as quality or whatever the case is I am going to give an updated review stating so. I understand safety for everyone but I am not going to put anyone's well being over mine. Its greedy but you bet your ass that the providers will do the same.[/QUOTE]White knighting implies that I have gone to excessive lengths to defend a woman / provider. I have simply stated what I know about her and provide some context, again from what I know, to the claims that she is a b*tch becaues she requires screening. That is not excessive and is, what I thought this board was about. I was answering the post for those that had not seen her and had questions. Period. I do take offense to Monger01's name calling when he's talking through his ass about me and calling my post into question. Will I lose sleep over it? Nope. I'm just going to respond and I'm going to move on.

We just had a discussion on honest posts. If this is how honest posts are going to be treated when someone doesn't agree, so much for honest posts on here.

Your wall of text posts speak for themselves dude. I posted my opinion of her policy. I'm hardly the first monger to call out an over the top verification policy. Countless posts here call out providers asking for pics from the monger for example. Where was your giant opinion then? Oh wait! It wasn't Jordan those times!

You've posted 3 walls of text defending her since my post that, by the way, was not directed at or about YOU. You attacked me in response.

You are indeed a white knight for her.

You like her? Great. You are ok giving her personal info. Great. But I am within my rights to comment on her policy same as you are within yours to state its ok with you because she's, in your opinion, better and more trustworthy than the girls the rest of us see. That's a bunch of crap in my opinion but whatever floats your boat.

3 walls of text so far in response to my simple post stating sharing your job info. Is a bad idea. What's your definition of excessive?

Keep repeating you're not a white knight dude. Your posts all say otherwise.

[QUOTE=GMacMan;4685067]White knighting implies that I have gone to excessive lengths to defend a woman / provider. I have simply stated what I know about her and provide some context, again from what I know, to the claims that she is a b*tch becaues she requires screening. That is not excessive and is, what I thought this board was about. I was answering the post for those that had not seen her and had questions. Period. I do take offense to Monger01's name calling when he's talking through his ass about me and calling my post into question. Will I lose sleep over it? Nope. I'm just going to respond and I'm going to move on.

We just had a discussion on honest posts. If this is how honest posts are going to be treated when someone doesn't agree, so much for honest posts on here.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monger01;4685986]Your wall of text posts speak for themselves dude. I posted my opinion of her policy. I'm hardly the first monger to call out an over the top verification policy. Countless posts here call out providers asking for pics from the monger for example. Where was your giant opinion then? Oh wait! It wasn't Jordan those times!

You've posted 3 walls of text defending her since my post that, by the way, was not directed at or about YOU. You attacked me in response.

You are indeed a white knight for her.

You like her? Great. You are ok giving her personal info. Great. But I am within my rights to comment on her policy same as you are within yours to state its ok with you because she's, in your opinion, better and more trustworthy than the girls the rest of us see. That's a bunch of crap in my opinion but whatever floats your boat.

3 walls of text so far in response to my simple post stating sharing your job info. Is a bad idea. What's your definition of excessive?

Keep repeating you're not a white knight dude. Your posts all say otherwise.[/QUOTE]Dude why you "white knighting" him? You should zero in on your bff the biggest white lighter of all time you and few others on here you so lovingly call "the professor" that dude is a white knight / b / s'er but what ever.

Have a great day all.

Usasexguide abbreviation for White Knight.

White Knight; A poster who defends or "comes to the rescue" of a provider who has been reviewed poorly, regardless of whether the review is accurate.

[QUOTE=Benz1;4687260]Usasexguide abbreviation for White Knight.

White Knight; A poster who defends or "comes to the rescue" of a provider who has been reviewed poorly, regardless of whether the review is accurate.[/QUOTE]Thanks for clarifying things to Monger! Hopefully this ends this insanity.

To me? My post was an opinion of her policy and you write walls of text defending her. Are YOU clearer now?

[QUOTE=GMacMan;4687448]Thanks for clarifying things to Monger! Hopefully this ends this insanity.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monger01;4687541]To me? My post was an opinion of her policy and you write walls of text defending her. Are YOU clearer now?[/QUOTE]

I am perfectly clear that you are still not clear. I quoted the post I was responding to (7009) in my post, I had not seen the others when I made my response, otherwise, I would have let things stand. I simply hadn't realized I wasn't on the most recent post. Simple mistake.

It could have ended there with a quick note to me, again, this has to do with respect. You are a more senior member than I, so you could have just sent me a message and asked if I'd seen the other posts on her between 7009 (original) and 7045 (mine), maybe even suggest it looks like I'm white knighting. I would have said, "Oh, thanks dude, I didn't see that. " and ask the admin to delete my original post. End of story. We would both have been respected and the boards would be free of drama.

Intead, you resort ot bullying, personal attacks and insults. Is that really what you want this board to be about? Personally, I think guests and many seniors (not to mention the Admin) would prefer that we respect each other, despite our differences of opinions.

What do you think?

Makes me wish I drank coffee.

[QUOTE=Benz1;4689004]Timing is everything, when you go to Serenity.

I occasionally stop by for a cup of coffee, this time it was closing time and all three were free. The girls are usually cuming and going for appointments or shift change, All three with nothing to do but me is rare. It was a nice reunion.

I would like to thank Hayley (the director and her Ladies) Layla and Jade for the time of my life. That day anyway.

Timing is everything with any girl you ever meet anywhere.

I will repeat with Serenity girls anytime. Especially the new one, Marie the Lactating ex stripper with Awesome TaTas.

[URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/exotic/marie/297863996763[/URL][/QUOTE]You had a big definition of "white knighting" just curious does this post fall under that?

[QUOTE=Benz1;4687260]Usasexguide abbreviation for White Knight.

White Knight; A poster who defends or "comes to the rescue" of a provider who has been reviewed poorly, regardless of whether the review is accurate.[/QUOTE]
I think the White Knight definition is very clear.
Reading while drinking might make it confusing.

Dj, posting positive info. On a provider isn't white knighting. If that was the case every positive review would be white knighting.

Vehemently defending a provider is.

Benz just described an experience and opinion.

[QUOTE=DjBiker;4689867]You had a big definition of "white knighting" just curious does this post fall under that?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monger01;4690371]Dj, posting positive info. On a provider isn't white knighting. If that was the case every positive review would be white knighting.

Vehemently defending a provider is.

Benz just described an experience and opinion.[/QUOTE] IMO this is a Perfect Example of White Knighting
Quote Originally Posted by TeddBear.

I just have one thing to say Jenn's pics are real so you know what your getting before you see her. She's a very pretty girl that provides a great service. Plus she has many reviews that a good. If you are baseing your review on appearance and not quility. Your pretty shallow. If you want to see girls only by looks that usually in my experience give very poor service. Then you should do your homework and look at reviews so you get what you're looking for. I think it's not fair to give Jenn a poor review based on looks because she provides a great service and I will repeat and recommend highly and will most of the mongers on this site.

His response to logical reasoning is printed below.

11-13-17 23:16#222
TeddBear TeddBear is offline
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Benz your right
I should have put my opinion on this board if Bobbyjoe77 wants to buttfuck Rome123 for being shallow then so be it I don't usually get in to arguments I just state my opinion weather it be right or wrong they can't eat a dick it's still my opinion

Rome123 review
11-12-17 08:46#15286
Rome123 Rome123 is offline
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Savage Jenn with the purple hair
I saw Jenn for the first-time earlier this week and it was a big let down. She was nice and has a cute face but from the neck down was not good at all. When her clothes came off I pretty much just wanted out of there. I got a quick BBBJ and called it good. I definitely would not repeat

IMO Looked pretty simple too me. No need to send in the White Knight.

[QUOTE=DjBiker;4689867]You had a big definition of "white knighting" just curious does this post fall under that?[/QUOTE]Not even close to white knighting. First off no one gave a bad report on these ladies, so no opportunity to white knight, just a real fun, positive story. Don't get why guys want to try creating issues when there aren't any.

[QUOTE=Benz1;4690336]I think the White Knight definition is very clear.
Reading while drinking might make it confusing.[/QUOTE]Maybe not white knighting sorry.

How about def of just pure b / s? You come up with shit that never happens to anyone, you should post in penthouse forum, ? Just a thought and FYI douche I'm 7 yrs sober so f / you.

[QUOTE=WayneJWorld;4690762]Not even close to white knighting. First off no one gave a bad report on these ladies, so no opportunity to white knight, just a real fun, positive story. Don't get why guys want to try creating issues when there aren't any.[/QUOTE]First off, this board is great. I'm going to kick back and make some popcorn and take it all in.

Second, this is the place where you can talk shit whether the population believes it is warranted or not. Better here than on a board where we are trying to get honest reviews.

Third, I'm not sure the late night 3 lady coffee party is the one worth debating about white knighting. Layla and Hailey have typically received great reviews. I can personally attest to both vehemently. The new chick hasn't been reviewed and maybe you could argue that Benz should share a little more than just go see this one. Kyrah Jade I believe has had some bad reviews. BUT, it doesn't mean Benz doesn't enjoy her too.

Lastly, I think you are finding a few people salty because there is in fact some perceived false promotion of bad talent, which is whiteknighting by definition. The problem with this is that our experiences may vary greatly based on the relationship we have with the provider. I do recall a few that I have been burned on directly. Wynter and sweet southern belle's first visit to GR to name a few. False promotion or not, my experiences did not reflect the unending praise given to them. I would put Brooke Billions or Neveah on that list too but guess what, it seems that people generally enjoy those ladies. Maybe my bad experiences are simply my own bad experiences.

Whiteknighting aside, I think everyone knows by now that Benz has a revolving door of girls that he promotes and the top of the list is anything that has two legs and a pussy working at Serenity. Maybe he's a silent investor there LOL. There's also the girls he doesn't promote who seem to do just fine. Riley, B25, Sweet Megan, Julie sweet cheeks to name a few. I've learned to take it with a grain of salt and not get salty otherwise I'll be writing super long posts in the pugilistic society board.

Which I guess I just did.

Fuck.

[QUOTE=JMaul;4690852]First off, this board is great. I'm going to kick back and make some popcorn and take it all in.

Second, this is the place where you can talk shit whether the population believes it is warranted or not. Better here than on a board where we are trying to get honest reviews.

Third, I'm not sure the late night 3 lady coffee party is the one worth debating about white knighting. Layla and Hailey have typically received great reviews. I can personally attest to both vehemently. The new chick hasn't been reviewed and maybe you could argue that Benz should share a little more than just go see this one. Kyrah Jade I believe has had some bad reviews. BUT, it doesn't mean Benz doesn't enjoy her too.

Lastly, I think you are finding a few people salty because there is in fact some perceived false promotion of bad talent, which is whiteknighting by definition. The problem with this is that our experiences may vary greatly based on the relationship we have with the provider. I do recall a few that I have been burned on directly. Wynter and sweet southern belle's first visit to GR to name a few. False promotion or not, my experiences did not reflect the unending praise given to them. I would put Brooke Billions or Neveah on that list too but guess what, it seems that people generally enjoy those ladies. Maybe my bad experiences are simply my own bad experiences.

Whiteknighting aside, I think everyone knows by now that Benz has a revolving door of girls that he promotes and the top of the list is anything that has two legs and a pussy working at Serenity. Maybe he's a silent investor there LOL. There's also the girls he doesn't promote who seem to do just fine. Riley, B25, Sweet Megan, Julie sweet cheeks to name a few. I've learned to take it with a grain of salt and not get salty otherwise I'll be writing super long posts in the pugilistic society board.

Which I guess I just did.

Fuck.[/QUOTE]Interesting,

I can see how that looks like I have an interest in Serenity.

Not financial but I do have an interest in a social coffee stop on my way to and from work. The girls that work there like each other's company. Which is rare at most salons. I stop by most often when I see the lot is empty, its always better to see them on a slow day. I've been to other shops but most are not note worthy. Very dry environments unless you go see Natasha who knows how to make you melt with her smile and the environment doesn't matter.

Hayley likes to hire girls like her socially, they don't have to be as pretty but need to be very friendly. Some don't work out. Recently Violet comes to mind, what a waste of time even talking to her, it was an obvious bad fit for the team. Hayley saw that too and moved on. I saw Wynter again yesterday I didn't write about it because I didn't receive a massage, she called me there to give her a massage. I also took the time to train her GF at the salon to give a 4 handed massage Benz style. I'm very picky and believe that any girl can be trained to do it well. Takes time that I'm willing to give and I get good massages back from them. Wynter is one that can duplicate my massage back to me. Some girls don't give a fuck and think it's too much work. I'm not easy. I won't go see any girl with a lame massage.

As for your other massage girls mentioned The Great B25, Solicited me in USA PM to come see her (wish I saved the mail) repeatedly texting me, the begging was ridiculous. It was when she first started. She told me how great she was, I asked about the massage with no real response just how great she was again. I'm not into narcissistic women. I've never seen her for that reason alone.

Meagan is hard to schedule with so I gave up over a year ago. Sweet cheeks is not my type.

Riley, Just haven't made the effort yet. I've heard she great on extras but average on massage. I'm thinking I might have to train her and she might not like that. Some have been offended or told me I'm too picky. When I stop at Serenity I get a better sense of the provider while she is making me a fresh hot cup.

Sweet southern bell was a utr started slow, not a pro. Drinker not a druggie but still popped an attitude occasionally. I think she fixed it now with great reviews in Holland and she seems to have a few in GR too. All UTR's are amateurs and occasionally forget they are getting paid for some acting skills too. So if you're looking for a pro don't call a UTR. She might be a good lay but unskilled in Hobby etiquette.

The new girl at Serenity, sweet heart and beautiful, that's all I can say because I don't know anymore yet and I don't make shit up or overstate service received. I'll probably get to know her better next week. If her massage is good I'll pay for extras, if not I'll take the time to train her my way. She's very sweet not narcissistic like some. I'm sure she'll be willing to learn.

Marie is her name. Pics are real and she's real sweet.

[URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/exotic/marie/297863996763[/URL]

[QUOTE=Benz1;4691436]Interesting,

I can see how that looks like I have an interest in Serenity.

Not financial but I do have an interest in a social coffee stop on my way to and from work. The girls that work there like each other's company. Which is rare at most salons. I stop by most often when I see the lot is empty, its always better to see them on a slow day. I've been to other shops but most are not note worthy. Very dry environments unless you go see Natasha who knows how to make you melt with her smile and the environment doesn't matter.

Hayley likes to hire girls like her socially, they don't have to be as pretty but need to be very friendly. Some don't work out. Recently Violet comes to mind, what a waste of time even talking to her, it was an obvious bad fit for the team. Hayley saw that too and moved on. I saw Wynter again yesterday I didn't write about it because I didn't receive a massage, she called me there to give her a massage. I also took the time to train her GF at the salon to give a 4 handed massage Benz style. I'm very picky and believe that any girl can be trained to do it well. Takes time that I'm willing to give and I get good massages back from them. Wynter is one that can duplicate my massage back to me. Some girls don't give a fuck and think it's too much work. I'm not easy. I won't go see any girl with a lame massage.

As for your other massage girls mentioned The Great B25, Solicited me in USA PM to come see her (wish I saved the mail) repeatedly texting me, the begging was ridiculous. It was when she first started. She told me how great she was, I asked about the massage with no real response just how great she was again. I'm not into narcissistic women. I've never seen her for that reason alone.

Meagan is hard to schedule with so I gave up over a year ago. Sweet cheeks is not my type.

Riley, Just haven't made the effort yet. I've heard she great on extras but average on massage. I'm thinking I might have to train her and she might not like that. Some have been offended or told me I'm too picky. When I stop at Serenity I get a better sense of the provider while she is making me a fresh hot cup.

Sweet southern bell was a utr started slow, not a pro. Drinker not a druggie but still popped an attitude occasionally. I think she fixed it now with great reviews in Holland and she seems to have a few in GR too. All UTR's are amateurs and occasionally forget they are getting paid for some acting skills too. So if you're looking for a pro don't call a UTR. She might be a good lay but unskilled in Hobby etiquette.

The new girl at Serenity, sweet heart and beautiful, that's all I can say because I don't know anymore yet and I don't make shit up or overstate service received. I'll probably get to know her better next week. If her massage is good I'll pay for extras, if not I'll take the time to train her my way. She's very sweet not narcissistic like some. I'm sure she'll be willing to learn.

Marie is her name. Pics are real and she's real sweet.

[URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/exotic/marie/297863996763[/URL][/QUOTE]Your a lurker who preys with b / s in my own opion you offer stuff on this board with thoughts of free returns you have your 5-6 little solders on here to defend you, and ya I think you post shit that don't happen in hopes it will push business to the provider why haven't any others posted about your supposedly appts? Cause they don't happen damn your the man BTW you posted before about helping others with substance abuse, if anything you can apologize for you comment about my supposedly drinking douche.

Adios.

[QUOTE=Benz1;4691436]Interesting,

I can see how that looks like I have an interest in Serenity.

Not financial but I do have an interest in a social coffee stop on my way to and from work. The girls that work there like each other's company. Which is rare at most salons. I stop by most often when I see the lot is empty, its always better to see them on a slow day. I've been to other shops but most are not note worthy. Very dry environments unless you go see Natasha who knows how to make you melt with her smile and the environment doesn't matter.

Hayley likes to hire girls like her socially, they don't have to be as pretty but need to be very friendly. Some don't work out. Recently Violet comes to mind, what a waste of time even talking to her, it was an obvious bad fit for the team. Hayley saw that too and moved on. I saw Wynter again yesterday I didn't write about it because I didn't receive a massage, she called me there to give her a massage. I also took the time to train her GF at the salon to give a 4 handed massage Benz style. I'm very picky and believe that any girl can be trained to do it well. Takes time that I'm willing to give and I get good massages back from them. Wynter is one that can duplicate my massage back to me. Some girls don't give a fuck and think it's too much work. I'm not easy. I won't go see any girl with a lame massage.

As for your other massage girls mentioned The Great B25, Solicited me in USA PM to come see her (wish I saved the mail) repeatedly texting me, the begging was ridiculous. It was when she first started. She told me how great she was, I asked about the massage with no real response just how great she was again. I'm not into narcissistic women. I've never seen her for that reason alone.

Meagan is hard to schedule with so I gave up over a year ago. Sweet cheeks is not my type.

Riley, Just haven't made the effort yet. I've heard she great on extras but average on massage. I'm thinking I might have to train her and she might not like that. Some have been offended or told me I'm too picky. When I stop at Serenity I get a better sense of the provider while she is making me a fresh hot cup.

Sweet southern bell was a utr started slow, not a pro. Drinker not a druggie but still popped an attitude occasionally. I think she fixed it now with great reviews in Holland and she seems to have a few in GR too. All UTR's are amateurs and occasionally forget they are getting paid for some acting skills too. So if you're looking for a pro don't call a UTR. She might be a good lay but unskilled in Hobby etiquette.

The new girl at Serenity, sweet heart and beautiful, that's all I can say because I don't know anymore yet and I don't make shit up or overstate service received. I'll probably get to know her better next week. If her massage is good I'll pay for extras, if not I'll take the time to train her my way. She's very sweet not narcissistic like some. I'm sure she'll be willing to learn.

Marie is her name. Pics are real and she's real sweet.

[URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/exotic/marie/297863996763[/URL][/QUOTE]Does this gal work at Serenity? If so, she's asking 100 tip for a half ass massage, and probably half ass HJ? Are these the kind of gals Haley has? I've never step foot in that place, been tempted based on previous reviews, but think the gals will be requesting at least 100 tip is steep in my opinion without FS.

[URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/let-me-help-you-relax-and-unwi/288261291522[/URL]

Peace!

Just fired up the popcorn machine. Current batch will have extra butter with garlic salt and a smidge of parmesan cheese.

It's always irks me when a girl has a minimum tipping or starts at price. Yet we all know that a majority of the time it's not FS or even a BJ. The girl in the ad usually charges 100 as and 130 hh as her specials so why should we pay more when she does more for less outside the parlor. I get it that they need to make money but if a girl has a minimum price there better be FS or the very least a BJ. Been to Serenity a few times and I can attest that they do have a friendly staff and nice environment but at the end of the day if the girls have a minimum donation rate that's an automatic pass for me. I remember this was the reason I stopped going to Panacea for awhile when they had their minimum tipping and tip before the HE bullshit. I am not going to throw around money knowing that the service is going to suck. I know a few parlor girls who don't charge an arm and a leg for FS and would rather see them or an escort if I am paying 1. 0+ as tip.

[QUOTE=AssMann45;4692015]Does this gal work at Serenity? If so, she's asking 100 tip for a half ass massage, and probably half ass HJ? Are these the kind of gals Haley has? I've never step foot in that place, been tempted based on previous reviews, but think the gals will be requesting at least 100 tip is steep in my opinion without FS.

[URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/let-me-help-you-relax-and-unwi/288261291522[/URL]

Peace![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AssMann45;4692015]Does this gal work at Serenity? If so, she's asking 100 tip for a half ass massage, and probably half ass HJ? Are these the kind of gals Haley has? I've never step foot in that place, been tempted based on previous reviews, but think the gals will be requesting at least 100 tip is steep in my opinion without FS.

[URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/let-me-help-you-relax-and-unwi/288261291522[/URL]

Peace![/QUOTE]Exactly my point with those b / s posts from the ultimate "salesman" nobody has posted anywhere near the type of appts he supposedly receives, he posts that b / s ad the guys on this board flood over there with high hopes reicieve shit appt and they stay busy and the "salesman" receives whatever commission he has worked out, I mean common guys, everyone he posts about is some extreame type of appt, ask your self has it happen that way to you?

Good post assman!!

If someone wants to get the same service as I do from any provider, they will need a password so the provider knows they are safe to talk to about anything.
If you want more info about the girl in question she will need a password to confirm you are safe and a nice guy. Not all members qualify.

Does djbiker qualify? LOL!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[QUOTE=Benz1;4692899]If someone wants to get the same service as I do from any provider, they will need a password so the provider knows they are safe to talk to about anything.
If you want more info about the girl in question she will need a password to confirm you are safe and a nice guy. Not all members qualify.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Benz1;4692899]If someone wants to get the same service as I do from any provider, they will need a password so the provider knows they are safe to talk to about anything.
If you want more info about the girl in question she will need a password to confirm you are safe and a nice guy. Not all members qualify.[/QUOTE]I need passwords. Cause I don't drink coffee! I'll just hold the cup and smile, cause I'm nice. Thanks buddy!

[QUOTE=DjBiker;4692499]Exactly my point with those b / s posts from the ultimate "salesman" nobody has posted anywhere near the type of appts he supposedly receives, he posts that b / s ad the guys on this board flood over there with high hopes reicieve shit appt and they stay busy and the "salesman" receives whatever commission he has worked out, I mean common guys, everyone he posts about is some extreame type of appt, ask your self has it happen that way to you?

Good post assman!![/QUOTE]YMMV, bruh. This guy makes or breaks providers in GR, it's actually sorta impressive. You can bet your silly ass these girls take him on wild rides, he's paying with a different sort of currency. And he can have it. For real, it's got to be like a 2nd job. I have yet to visit GR, but when I do, I'm coming there informed, and I'm grateful for that. Thanks, Benz.

Safe winds.

Stone.

[QUOTE=Monger01;4692973]Does djbiker qualify? LOL!

Sorry, couldn't resist.[/QUOTE]LOL that was good.

But I don't want a password nor does anyone really need one the only reason this guy does that is so when someone calls with a password it's like commission for a salesman my gosh haven't you all figured this guy out? If a provider has 10 calls with a password it means his commission goes up that's why he use b / s stories to get guys salivating that oh that shit might happen if I make an appt &come on guys wake up about this dude but for those of you few that think his penthouse forums are real well spend your loot, if you think passwords are the answer just call provider and I bet you still get an appt, then use one of the passwords see if your service is better I doubt it.

[QUOTE=Monger01;4692973]Does djbiker qualify? LOL!

Sorry, couldn't resist.[/QUOTE]I would send him this

[URL]https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/in-depth/anger-management/art-20045434[/URL]

As soon as I heal up from my Penis Reduction Surgery, I'm going to put Benz's girls to the test! I'll post a detailed report. I won't hold anything back! So, be on the lookout for my report. It might be a little bit of a wait, as the surgeon had to remove a lot of lenth.