High End Providers coming to Stl.

[QUOTE=BlahBl;6593296][URL]https://www.whitneycarrington.com/[/URL]

She's coming to St. Louis 9/09/2023 - 09/14/2023.

I'm not seeing her but wish I could. She doesn't consider my p411 plus "okays" enough, nor are my references "known well enough in industry" which is absolutely her right. These gals have a lot to risk and I respect that.

I'm not offended in the least but wonder what good p411 is to these providers claiming it's "required" in the first place. She wants my birthdate, my photo ID, a business card showing occupation, and real verifiable non burner, non VoIP phone number. Anyone can fake a business card or link Ed in profile so that is kind of a joke requirement.

The appeal would have been natural non implanted breasts. She seems quite pretty. If anyone sees or has seen her, please message me privately to let me know how it went or has gone.

If you guys are emailing or sending real birthdates to these providers. Be extremely careful with this information and to whom you give it. Goes without saying.

Even IF I were willing to provide all that private information, I'd never do it over a website or email account. I often wonder. What would happen if I, as a client, asked to see a provider's identification, real name, and birthdate. It would be a shocked, disbelief tirade explaining how that's just not possible, to which I'd reply, Really? Why?[/QUOTE]I would never send out my info. To many things can go wrong, if they don't have other screening methods like p411 or references / referrals I'd skip it. There are plenty of other providers that show up so don't sweat it.

[QUOTE=Lfsman;6593678]I would never send out my info. To many things can go wrong, if they don't have other screening methods like p411 or references / referrals I'd skip it. There are plenty of other providers that show up so don't sweat it.[/QUOTE]I won't share my references (on here, that i sent provider) but they tour nationally—they’re not just in St. Louis so I’m surprised they don’t suffice, atop p411.

The whole scene is a bit weird. That said, if people aren't comfortable I completely understand their requirements (I just can't meet them). I like the lady a lot based on her correspondence. She's truly nice but just needs security, likely due to bad experiences from a few.

[QUOTE=BlahBl;6593774]I won't share my references (on here, that i sent provider) but they tour nationallytheyre not just in St. Louis so Im surprised they dont suffice, atop p411.

The whole scene is a bit weird. That said, if people aren't comfortable I completely understand their requirements (I just can't meet them). I like the lady a lot based on her correspondence. She's truly nice but just needs security, likely due to bad experiences from a few.[/QUOTE]Very Strange, especially with nationally traveling ladies. Did you have OK's? 10+ yrs on P411 and only 1 rejection (was a smoker at the time). Her profile lists "anyone and newbie friendly" She is being awful careful. She has only been a P411 member a year and only has 2 TER reviews? I have shared some personal info for the "right" lady, but I'm single. Also have several utr's whom I trust, once they come to your home, they can find out anything they want to know. Hasn't been a problem.

[QUOTE=LittleRichard;6594261]Very Strange, especially with nationally traveling ladies. Did you have OK's? 10+ yrs on P411 and only 1 rejection (was a smoker at the time). Her profile lists "anyone and newbie friendly" She is being awful careful. She has only been a P411 member a year and only has 2 TER reviews? I have shared some personal info for the "right" lady, but I'm single. Also have several utr's whom I trust, once they come to your home, they can find out anything they want to know. Hasn't been a problem.[/QUOTE]Yes she's absolutely still Willing to engage just with I D , business card , etc. Yes, I have OKs from people that tour and are local (quantity is double digits). It may just be me and I half dont blame people for being this cautious. Good luck if you or anyone else sees her as she seems like a good dream.

Sharing info.. its one of these things in life.. even IF I trust the people enough to confide how do we know that person wont lose a phone that has 100s of emails with info.. or text messages with info, etc. I trust a lot of providers but I cant trust everyone theyll be around, bring into
their life, or if they simply lose a phone etc. Whats most amusing to me is in past, Ive had providers ask for photos etc and Im sitting there staring at an unencrypted gmail or yahoo recipient account. I dont trust those email platforms enough, nor texting apps which are on a worldwide cloud platform. Or if someone lives in a condo or apartment complex, kids can hack wifi with their eyes closed , capture keystrokes screenshots, and see everything without a provider even knowing. I guess all this electronic convenience has come with a potential privacy cost.
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[QUOTE=BlahBl;6593296][URL]https://www.whitneycarrington.com/[/URL]

She's coming to St. Louis 9/09/2023 - 09/14/2023.

I'm not seeing her but wish I could. She doesn't consider my p411 plus "okays" enough, nor are my references "known well enough in industry" which is absolutely her right. These gals have a lot to risk and I respect that.

I'm not offended in the least but wonder what good p411 is to these providers claiming it's "required" in the first place. She wants my birthdate, my photo ID, a business card showing occupation, and real verifiable non burner, non VoIP phone number. Anyone can fake a business card or link Ed in profile so that is kind of a joke requirement.

The appeal would have been natural non implanted breasts. She seems quite pretty. If anyone sees or has seen her, please message me privately to let me know how it went or has gone.

If you guys are emailing or sending real birthdates to these providers. Be extremely careful with this information and to whom you give it. Goes without saying.

Even IF I were willing to provide all that private information, I'd never do it over a website or email account. I often wonder. What would happen if I, as a client, asked to see a provider's identification, real name, and birthdate. It would be a shocked, disbelief tirade explaining how that's just not possible, to which I'd reply, Really? Why?[/QUOTE]If a provider won't take the references from another 'verified' provider, I won't see them. I found a girl in Vegas who is pretty well known and see her once a year, or so, and when I give others her name and website, they almost always take her as a reference. If they come back and then ask for personal info more than I am comfortable giving them (first name and phone number) then I walk away. I am not giving anyone my last name or ANYTHING work related.

I will add, and it's a personal preference, but that girl isn't worth the hassle you have already gone through to meet her.

[QUOTE=BlahBl;6593296] She wants my birthdate, my photo ID, a business card showing occupation, and real verifiable non burner, non VoIP phone number.
[/QUOTE]Adding to the chorus of dudes saying [B]no. fucking. way.[/B].

[QUOTE=BlahBl;6593296][URL]https://www.whitneycarrington.com/[/URL]
She wants my birthdate, my photo ID, a business card showing occupation, and real verifiable non burner, non VoIP phone number.[/QUOTE]Anyone who's crazy enough to share such sensitive info in this hobby is "literally" inviting a potential nightmare into their life because there's NO logical reason "any" provider needs that level of personal information on you, ask her if she'd be comfortable giving you all of her personal info so you can run her name and see how fast she gets defensive about maintaining her "privacy"...Remember, this woman is in fact a "hooker", she's not a bank manager qualifying you for a mortgage on a fucking house, so everyone please be smarter that.

[QUOTE=DVelvet69;6596796]Anyone who's crazy enough to share such sensitive info in this hobby is "literally" inviting a potential nightmare into their life because there's NO logical reason "any" provider needs that level of personal information on you, ask her if she'd be comfortable giving you all of her personal info so you can run her name and see how fast she gets defensive about maintaining her "privacy"...Remember, this woman is in fact a "hooker", she's not a bank manager qualifying you for a mortgage on a fucking house, so everyone please be smarter that.[/QUOTE]Below, I said the same thing. How would any gal react if we asked for I D, birthdate, etc. We'd receive a litany tirade of why it's not necessary, possible, and is unsafe, etc.

[QUOTE=BlahBl;6596859]Below, I said the same thing. How would any gal react if we asked for I D, birthdate, etc. We'd receive a litany tirade of why it's not necessary, possible, and is unsafe, etc.[/QUOTE]I'm new to this. How can I get started without jumping through these hoops. I can make a P411 and share that info there to get verified, right? But I would still be starting with 0 references. How do people do this?

[QUOTE=Mickado3;6598059]I'm new to this. How can I get started without jumping through these hoops. I can make a P411 and share that info there to get verified, right? But I would still be starting with 0 references. How do people do this?[/QUOTE]See a few people and get "ok" ratings from them. That's really about it. Or see a few and ask if they're willing to be references. It just takes time. Despite what every guy in here May claim, everyone is sort of new and each of us encounters some new oddity now and then. It really does take time to book a few people and maybe target "newbie friendly" people on p411. See them, then request an "ok" from those people via p411. When you request this, there's a place to share some identifying info about visit.

Share something about your visit when requesting an ok.. Such as "I brought coffee to the session and you liked it because it was a brazil blend. " that's how they'll know it was you etc and they then rate you as "ok. " start with newbie friendly providers and explain you're new but p411 verified.

I got by without p411 but its convenient to have it. Im finding some providers dont value p411 info despite being on p411 themselves. Its amusing to me but their right to request more information. Ive also had a person recently reply with your p411 is enough . Thanks for contacting..

Also, when I signed up for p411 I used two references and they verified me. I think you can purchase a membership without provider verification but I asked two people to verify my membership request. You’ll have just see people and ask them to be references going forward.

Did anyone see Sienna Summer when she was in St. Louis a couple of weeks ago? She is an anti-review provider, her right, but I hate to dive in with only pics.

Found one positive review on eccie.

[URL]https://elitesienna.com/[/URL]

Thanks.

I saw that Lia Levy was listed in a post on this forum a little over a year ago. Did anybody see her and have any opinions to report about their experience?

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/lia-levy[/URL]

[QUOTE=IWonder;6628623]I saw that Lia Levy was listed in a post on this forum a little over a year ago. Did anybody see her and have any opinions to report about their experience?

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/lia-levy[/URL][/QUOTE]She is OK, not worth 1 k.

[QUOTE=DVelvet69;6596796]Anyone who's crazy enough to share such sensitive info in this hobby is "literally" inviting a potential nightmare into their life because there's NO logical reason "any" provider needs that level of personal information on you, ask her if she'd be comfortable giving you all of her personal info so you can run her name and see how fast she gets defensive about maintaining her "privacy"...Remember, this woman is in fact a "hooker", she's not a bank manager qualifying you for a mortgage on a fucking house, so everyone please be smarter that.[/QUOTE]Might be just me, but.

I'm finding more and more p411 providers are wanting photos, driver licenses and so on. I've never sent a photo before a booking but many gals are saying they need to know to whom they're opening their door. One very recently informed me my references (now well over 20) aren't reputable. These references or “okays” would include v michelle, Parker, Lana Legs, and others. There seems to be some serious mistrust nowadays. Caution is one thing, but when a p411 provider is asking a p411 client with 30 odd okays for a driver license theres something weird here. I told someone recently I don't trust giving that info electronically as her phone might get hacked even if her intentions are good. She agreed with me surprisingly as I expected a tirade back. We agreed to meet for lunch instead without any session and I paid for lunch and a hhr rate. I'm now verified for future bookings if she comes back to area. I guess I'm stating this verification stuff is getting out of control. Since these providers have amazing reviews I'll assume other guys are submitting this personal information which to me is insane. It also seems providers are copying one another. One sees her competitors are getting driver license numbers so she starts asking for same. I've seen a few that wanted LinkedIn and provided that but that doesn't necessarily have to be entirely personal. There are ways you can have initials and show business card with same info and it's legitimate yet not entirely identifying.

I don't know if anyone checks this forum but "Lana legs" is coming.

10/17/2023 - 10/19/2023.

She's quite amazing. I can't visit but have seen her before. I'm not sure what she needs beyond two very solid references, atop p411. But anyone can ask. She's down to earth.