Rants and Raves

I lived in Chicago 25 years & moved two years ago to San Diego. I've run a massage shop (legit, not happy) with a Chinese woman for five years. We're opening one here (in Temecula, CA) in a month or so. So I have a weird sense of what the woman go through. I know if you are a happy place of a FS place the risk level triples. She's been robbed before, but most of our customers are decent men and women who want a therapeutic massage. And lucky for us the cops watch out to protect the store and our neighbors also look our for each other. I am saying however, that as a worker, you never know what kind of nut job will come into your store. A lot of people cheap out on the cameras, and understaff the stores with the girl often working alone. Pretty scary in think.

I wish all the poor girls a better life, either in this one or the next life.

Bob.

[QUOTE=MassageAwesome;5258047]R I P to the ladies who got shot. No one deserves that. Some people aren't in their right minds. This is prob the only time we are on LE side. To all those who are going to still go monger tomorrow, please be safe. If you're staying home try [URL]happytugs.com[/URL] or Asa Akira videos.[/QUOTE]

Dang. What could be the motive behind this nonsense?

[QUOTE=Buckeye24;5257956]Very sad that some people lost their lives by someone probably committing a hate crime. Smdh. I agree everyone should stay in until this is resolved. Stay safe fellas.[/QUOTE]What's really bad is that now their families will find out what they were doing for a living. "Lose Face. " Thoughts and prayers for them.

The murders make me sick. I have had some really great times at Young's, probably know at least one of the victims.

Godspeed, ladies.

[QUOTE=TheDonatl;5258355]This Massage Parlor shootings is so strange. These locations must have some specific significance to the shooter.

No matter what direction he drive from Youngs to the interstate, he would have passed multiple massage places.

And at Piedmont, he choose two fo the three spas within walking distance of Cheshire Bridge, but not the third on next door. Or the ones nearby on the 85 spur road exit.

This all makes me think that he had a particular history at these three locations instead of some random selection.[/QUOTE]I.

I'd agree with that. All 3 of these places have been talked about quite a bit here. Could even be someone that reads the threads who knows?

[QUOTE=Oily123;5258806]I.

I'd agree with that. All 3 of these places have been talked about quite a bit here. Could even be someone that reads the threads who knows?[/QUOTE]Youngs may have been talked about a lot here, but other shops have been talked about here way more than aromatherapy or gold, I would jump the gun and create a theory that it's tied to here in any way. A 20 dollar membership to RM would give someone like that way more access to reviews and addresses, along with girls and how they operate.

[URL]https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/new-fbi-joins-investigation-into-deadly-spa-rampage-8-dead-1-injured/KSUOKEPYSJGIPE6LXDXBIVASHY/[/URL]

Can you imagine getting a happy ending when someone comes in with a gun.

[QUOTE=MartyBass864;5258292]The way we all speak about these girls, about how they are just a gizz receptacles. And people act like they are disturbed by this incident. Disingenuous. I am sure they ordered 10 more up from Korea and they will be here hopefully by Friday to love you long time. Who is going to organize a candle light vigil or go fund me page?[/QUOTE][BLUE]You may talk about them as jizz receptacles, probably because you have problems with your mommy but I've always looked at commercial sex workers in the same way I do people who cut my hair, or give me a regular massage, they provide a service that I like so I compensate them. This forum has never been about s1ut-shaming and it never will be and that's why I booted you. All of these people had families that loved them and will mourn them, some of them were mothers doing their best to take care of their kids.

You are beneath contempt and have no place on this forum.

A2[/BLUE]

[QUOTE=TheWiseacre;5258879][URL]https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/new-fbi-joins-investigation-into-deadly-spa-rampage-8-dead-1-injured/KSUOKEPYSJGIPE6LXDXBIVASHY/[/URL][/QUOTE]So now the question is why. My vote is he is just a plain nut case.

Most of the national media are saying it's likely a hate crime, or religious zealot. But more likely what a few have said here, that it's more motivated by negative experience he had as a customer or maybe a family member had.

In any case, feeling bad for the victims, their families, the businesses and all of us who frequent them for the purposes for which they were intended (to have fun). I've been in Michigan since 2003, but mongered scores and scores of Atlanta AMPs in the 90s, before the USASG days. Hope there won't be more of this and the community can recover.

[QUOTE=TwistedBrother;5258996]Most of the national media are saying it's likely a hate crime, or religious zealot. But more likely what a few have said here, that it's more motivated by negative experience he had as a customer or maybe a family member had.[/QUOTE]What's going to happen now is there will be inquiries into who these women were. The government will get involved and before you know it, there will be no more of these establishments when the special interest groups find out they were most likely trafficking victims.

[QUOTE=TwistedBrother;5258996]Most of the national media are saying it's likely a hate crime, or religious zealot. But more likely what a few have said here, that it's more motivated by negative experience he had as a customer or maybe a family member had.[/QUOTE]Channel 2 is reporting that there's no evidence of race issues or a hate crime. It's natural to want to find a reason for everything, but the reality is that sometimes the reason bad shit happens is unknowable.

A2, thanks for banning that user. A lot of us do NOT treat workers poorly or think of them as beneath us. And it is very much true that a lot of providers are indeed mothers taking care of not only their kids but their parents and other relatives. They came to this country to have a better life in a place where you CAN make a better life, only to suffer a lot of indignity that most of us cannot begin to imagine. Not only that, but most of us are damn happy to have an outlet where we can have a transactional, positive experience.

[QUOTE=TheDonatl;5258355]This Massage Parlor shootings is so strange. These locations must have some specific significance to the shooter.

No matter what direction he drive from Youngs to the interstate, he would have passed multiple massage places.

And at Piedmont, he choose two fo the three spas within walking distance of Cheshire Bridge, but not the third on next door. Or the ones nearby on the 85 spur road exit.

This all makes me think that he had a particular history at these three locations instead of some random selection.[/QUOTE]Turns out you're right, he did have a history at those parlors. I suspect he had either never been to St. Jame (next door to Aromatherapy) or "didn't have time" as he probably knew the police were on to him.

All.

WSB said he chose them to fight 'temptation' and he was 'going to Florida' to attack more. So he very likely visited them before. Pretty much means no hate crime, just the sheer number in and. Macon he by-passed.

The mayor of Seattle, where I spend most of my time, called it a hate crime. She's an idiot. Feel free to ignore her.

[QUOTE=TheWiseacre;5259026]Channel 2 is reporting that there's no evidence of race issues or a hate crime. It's natural to want to find a reason for everything, but the reality is that sometimes the reason bad shit happens is unknowable.

A2, thanks for banning that user. A lot of us do NOT treat workers poorly or think of them as beneath us. And it is very much true that a lot of providers are indeed mothers taking care of not only their kids but their parents and other relatives. They came to this country to have a better life in a place where you CAN make a better life, only to suffer a lot of indignity that most of us cannot begin to imagine. Not only that, but most of us are damn happy to have an outlet where we can have a transactional, positive experience.[/QUOTE]I also feel bad for all the girls in spa's in the metro now who may fear someone else dangerous could hurt them. We believe this guy was just some crazy, but girls will still be afraid. When a convenience store gets robbed, everyone in the area who works at a convenience store fears they are next. I'm sure its the same for these girls.

So if you go and visit a spa today, tomorrow, or anytime in the near future be aware the girls will be scared every time the door opens, so be extra nice and smile or something when you go in. Whether it a massage girl, an escort, or a streetwalker, they are all women, and all human beings.

[QUOTE=TwistedBrother;5258996]Most of the national media are saying it's likely a hate crime, or religious zealot. But more likely what a few have said here, that it's more motivated by negative experience he had as a customer or maybe a family member had.

In any case, feeling bad for the victims, their families, the businesses and all of us who frequent them for the purposes for which they were intended (to have fun). I've been in Michigan since 2003, but mongered scores and scores of Atlanta AMPs in the 90s, before the USASG days. Hope there won't be more of this and the community can recover.[/QUOTE]I think it's a one-off incident but there will be repercussions. You can bet that if those Piedmont KAMPs stay open that they'll turn anyone away from now on who remotely gives off a bad vibe. They already do that to a degree (Koreans are flaky like that) but it'll be worse now. As for CAMPs, I suspect it will be like it was a couple years ago when Asian establishments were getting robbed. They locked their doors after dark and it took months for things to return to normal.

According to the press release, apparently the shooter felt too much temptation with the spas being around. Perhaps he had some guilt building up. He is young and stupid.

It was not racially motivated related to the COVID pandemic, as we've seen with other events around the country.

Like many of you I was shocked by the shooting yesterday and sadden by the violence on those 8 innocent women who did nothing to provoke such behavior. I immediately thought maybe the guy didn't get the HE he was looking for but someone also mention that he may possibly be refused for service due to his age. I wonder how come there is no mention about any male victims or injury at all these three places. Did the psycho only shoot at girls sitting on the couch waiting for customer or he barged into each room and only shot the woman and spared the man?

What are your thoughts on this?

[QUOTE=TwistedBrother;5258996]Most of the national media are saying it's likely a hate crime, or religious zealot. But more likely what a few have said here, that it's more motivated by negative experience he had as a customer or maybe a family member had.

In any case, feeling bad for the victims, their families, the businesses and all of us who frequent them for the purposes for which they were intended (to have fun). I've been in Michigan since 2003, but mongered scores and scores of Atlanta AMPs in the 90s, before the USASG days. Hope there won't be more of this and the community can recover.[/QUOTE]By "hate crime", my opinion is that this is more of him seeing these girls as easy targets. The fact that he went to three places was premediated as well, so he could have been a disgruntled patron. But my alternative theory is that he was financially motivated and saw these girls as an atm since these places are primarily a cash-only business.

[QUOTE=TheWiseacre;5259026]Channel 2 is reporting that there's no evidence of race issues or a hate crime. It's natural to want to find a reason for everything, but the reality is that sometimes the reason bad shit happens is unknowable.

A2, thanks for banning that user. A lot of us do NOT treat workers poorly or think of them as beneath us. And it is very much true that a lot of providers are indeed mothers taking care of not only their kids but their parents and other relatives. They came to this country to have a better life in a place where you CAN make a better life, only to suffer a lot of indignity that most of us cannot begin to imagine. Not only that, but most of us are damn happy to have an outlet where we can have a transactional, positive experience.[/QUOTE]Wise, that's a great statement. These girls work for you just like your hairstylist. This is a terrible situation that will effect mongo's for a while.

I've always admired the AMP girls, pragmatic and hard working. Willing to sacrifice to get ahead. Sad for their loss.

[QUOTE=OopaRam;5259065]Like many of you I was shocked by the shooting yesterday and sadden by the violence on those 8 innocent women who did nothing to provoke such behavior. I immediately thought maybe the guy didn't get the HE he was looking for but someone also mention that he may possibly be refused for service due to his age. I wonder how come there is no mention about any male victims or injury at all these three places. Did the psycho only shoot at girls sitting on the couch waiting for customer or he barged into each room and only shot the woman and spared the man?

What are your thoughts on this?[/QUOTE]You didn't read about Young's? He killed a white guy on-prem and a Hispanic dude who was coming out of a business next door. Parlors don't have couches with female employees sitting on them in a waiting area. I'm sure the perp just shot at whomever was close by.

[QUOTE=OopaRam;5259065]Like many of you I was shocked by the shooting yesterday and sadden by the violence on those 8 innocent women who did nothing to provoke such behavior. I immediately thought maybe the guy didn't get the HE he was looking for but someone also mention that he may possibly be refused for service due to his age. I wonder how come there is no mention about any male victims or injury at all these three places. Did the psycho only shoot at girls sitting on the couch waiting for customer or he barged into each room and only shot the woman and spared the man?

What are your thoughts on this?[/QUOTE]I believe there was at least 1 male victim.

[QUOTE=TheWiseacre;5259026]Channel 2 is reporting that there's no evidence of race issues or a hate crime. It's natural to want to find a reason for everything, but the reality is that sometimes the reason bad shit happens is unknowable.

A2, thanks for banning that user. A lot of us do NOT treat workers poorly or think of them as beneath us. And it is very much true that a lot of providers are indeed mothers taking care of not only their kids but their parents and other relatives. They came to this country to have a better life in a place where you CAN make a better life, only to suffer a lot of indignity that most of us cannot begin to imagine. Not only that, but most of us are damn happy to have an outlet where we can have a transactional, positive experience.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. Like many of you, I've gotten to know quite a few of the ladies. They're just people, trying to make a decent lives for themselves. They deserve some respect. What would you rather do? Work in a shirt factory in southeast Asia for a couple of bucks a day, or come to America and rub down mongers? Sure, some of them get jaded, can you blame them? But at the heart of it they're doing the best they can in the world like virtually everyone else.

If any ladies from the shops are reading this, please know that many of us are horrified and deeply saddened at the senseless murders yesterday. May your friends rest in peace.

[QUOTE=MatchesM;5259119]I believe there was at least 1 male victim.[/QUOTE]Yes, as more updates come out, out of 8 dead 6 were women so 2 men. Among the injured that were identified one was a latino guy. Hope for safety of our fellow mongers.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5258932][BLUE]You may talk about them as jizz receptacles, probably because you have problems with your mommy but I've always looked at commercial sex workers in the same way I do people who cut my hair, or give me a regular massage, they provide a service that I like so I compensate them. This forum has never been about s1ut-shaming and it never will be and that's why I booted you. All of these people had families that loved them and will mourn them, some of them were mothers doing their best to take care of their kids.

You are beneath contempt and have no place on this forum.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]I have gotten more "mileage" out of treating providers like the way you stated than treating them like some of the degenerate type Mongers who populate the hobby.

[QUOTE=OopaRam;5259151]Yes, as more updates come out, out of 8 dead 6 were women so 2 men. Among the injured that were identified one was a latino guy. Hope for safety of our fellow mongers.[/QUOTE]The white woman killed at Young's was married to a Latino guy.

Delaina Ashley Yaun.

Paul Andre Michaels.

Xiaojie Yan.

Daoyou Feng.

[QUOTE=MunchMacoochie;5259233]Delaina Ashley Yaun.

Paul Andre Michaels.

Xiaojie Yan.

Daoyou Feng.[/QUOTE]Delaina was the female customer, Paul was a friend of the staff, Xiaojie was the owner and Daoyou was an employee. I will report more on this later.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5258932][BLUE]You may talk about them as jizz receptacles, probably because you have problems with your mommy but I've always looked at commercial sex workers in the same way I do people who cut my hair, or give me a regular massage, they provide a service that I like so I compensate them. This forum has never been about s1ut-shaming and it never will be and that's why I booted you. All of these people had families that loved them and will mourn them, some of them were mothers doing their best to take care of their kids.

You are beneath contempt and have no place on this forum.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]A2, while I understand why you did what you did I don't think that was what Marty was trying to say. I think he was trying to call our attention to the fact that way too many of us do marginalize these ladies, take them for granted, and see them not as real human beings but just lumps of unfeeling flesh who exist only at our whim and pleasure. I think that he was trying to point out the hypocrisy of our attitudes to them. Maybe he could have made his point in a less sarcastic, cynical way but I don't think for a second that he was trivializing this tragedy. This is horrible on so many levels and I think Marty understands that. Just my two cents.

I haven't seen any info on the victims _ I can't read this whole thread-But if it it is anything like Florida, my guess on ages= 3-50's, 4-40's and one high 30's.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5259037]I also feel bad for all the girls in spa's in the metro now who may fear someone else dangerous could hurt them. We believe this guy was just some crazy, but girls will still be afraid. When a convenience store gets robbed, everyone in the area who works at a convenience store fears they are next. I'm sure its the same for these girls.

So if you go and visit a spa today, tomorrow, or anytime in the near future be aware the girls will be scared every time the door opens, so be extra nice and smile or something when you go in. Whether it a massage girl, an escort, or a streetwalker, they are all women, and all human beings.[/QUOTE]For the next little while, I'm only going to parlors where I'm welcome and the girls know me well. This is not the time for anyone to visit a parlor they've never been to before.

[QUOTE=ReggieGod;5258212]Iam From Augusta I've been to Aroma therapy twice this is Crazy sad this happen police may shut down every place. Aroma has beds in there rooms Police will know it's a Brothel there all Brothels Gold Spa but just Find this crazy Bastard they saying another shooting in Cherokee county spa Every one stay safe[/QUOTE]So apparently he's claiming that it was "sexual addiction" which made him do it. He was trying to "remove the temptation".

He may not have thought his plan through since "young, fresh boy" and "supermax prison" probably aren't the best combo when it comes to escaping unfulfilling sexual activityear old.

[QUOTE=Roamer2;5259158]I have gotten more "mileage" out of treating providers like the way you stated than treating them like some of the degenerate type Mongers who populate the hobby.[/QUOTE]So True. They were and are real people who deserve respect.

This could been much worse.

Apparently the suspect was planning on going to Florida to shoot up more spas.

Also, Mayor Bottoms said those spas are, "legally operating businesses" 😒.

So, either those places will be business as usual (albeit a little cautious), or NO fun is to be had for a while.

[QUOTE=BKeeper;5259435]This could been much worse.

Apparently the suspect was planning on going to Florida to shoot up more spas.

Also, Mayor Bottoms said those spas are, "legally operating businesses" 😒.

So, either those places will be business as usual (albeit a little cautious), or NO fun is to be had for a while.[/QUOTE]Florida?? Hell, consider all the AMPs and KAMPs he passed in the immediate areas of both Young's and Gold's. That's what makes me think this was targeted, at least with Young's. He didn't get the service he wanted in a previous visit.

[QUOTE=MartyBass864;5259467]If you walk in with a trench coat and looking all shifty you might get looked over, but that won't l last long. The desire for money will quickly over ride anyone's long term concern. Incidents at clubs consistently and they are usually opened next night. What will be interesting is to see how they down play or flat out do not report on what he says goes on there.[/QUOTE]I am half expecting there to be a bit more scrutiny on these businesses by LEO, at least for the rest of this week. So watch out for them.

[QUOTE=HorndogManX;5259035]All.

WSB said he chose them to fight 'temptation' and he was 'going to Florida' to attack more. So he very likely visited them before. Pretty much means no hate crime, just the sheer number in and. Macon he by-passed.

The mayor of Seattle, where I spend most of my time, called it a hate crime. She's an idiot. Feel free to ignore her.[/QUOTE]Not completely disagreeing with you but "hate" could due to race, color, orientation, religion, politics, language, anything.

Hate is hate.

Not saying he didn't have psychiatric issues either -- And easy access to assault weapons.

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5259531]I am half expecting there to be a bit more scrutiny on these businesses by LEO, at least for the rest of this week. So watch out for them.[/QUOTE]So the Bottom said that these were upstanding legitimate businesses, so LE isn't going to be a problem, they aren't going to try and bust any parlor or person anytime in the near future as they have already established the "legitimacy" of all the parlors in the metro.