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I've been having providers to my home / apartment since 1992. Not one single issue. I have even had a few cases when I had to ask the woman to leave, due to bait and switch situations. Once again-never a problem.

(I did, though, have a problem with a psycho ex-girlfriend who kept returning to my home. So perhaps the moral of the story is that one should allow providers to one's home, but not girlfriends.)

On the other hand, I have encountered numerous dicey situations in hotel rooms, including one time when I missed a police raid by only an hour. (I found out about it later on the boards.) That settled it for me: no more hotel rooms. I also avoid AMPs-even though I love Asian women. Once again: I don't want to be caught with my pants down in a strip mall AMP when LE comes through the front door.

Hotel rooms provide a false sense of confidence: You are much more vulnerable there than you think you are.

I do, however, agree with you that providers should not have clients to their personal homes.

The safest arrangement for everyone involved is outcall to the client's verified residence.

P.S.: I had a conversation about this with an agency owner once, who had the above policy I advocate. He told me that *every* single LE-related problem he had occurred in a hotel room. But he had no problems at clients' private residences, which is why he mandated residential outcall for first appointments, at least.

[QUOTE=BigBird69; 1492685]I would never bring a provider to my house regardless. I'll take my chances at a hotel and if necessary, rent it myself. If I were a provider. Besides being broke because I am somewhat ugly. I wouldn't have clients coming to my home. I will take a motel / hotel any day over a private residence. That's not to say I won't go to a provider's home, but they will NEVER come to mine. I had one psycho encounter that really reaffirmed my personal position on this.

-BigBird69.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Todd Cincy;1492708]I've been having providers to my home / apartment since 1992. Not one single issue. (Edit Delete) On the other hand, I have encountered numerous dicey situations in hotel rooms, (Edit Delete) Hotel rooms provide a false sense of confidence: You are much more vulnerable there than you think you are. (Edit Delete) The safest arrangement for everyone involved is outcall to the client's verified residence. (Edit Delete)[/QUOTE] I don't think we can say which is safer, incall (and where) or outcall (and where). Different situations present different risks. Nothing in the hobby is without risk.

When we have girls in our home we don't have the option of walking out. We are certainly not protecting our personal identity. I know that Todd has considered this. In return we are probably safer from a law enforcement sting because we are making it inefficient for law enforcement to spend the extra time necessary for the opportunity to bust just one hobbyist unless they are trying to get a high profile hobbyist. Undercover female law enforcement is also less likely to come inside our residence alone. Her backup cannot protect her once she is inside. In exchange for our enhanced safety from law enforcement every girl we see will have our personal information. That may not be enhanced safety when all the risks are considered. We have to balance the risks based upon our own situation.

I agree with Todd that hotels are risky.

The bottom line is we are like the chickens we see by the county road where one chicken in the group has been run over. Maybe that chicken didn't look, maybe it had to do with crossing the road one time too many. We are those chickens.

I like this topic.

So sweet thanks babe. Hope to see you again babe I had a great time too!

[QUOTE=Jry Wild1; 1492635]Choose wisely? From whom should I choose if I am not going to associate with a known law-breaker? Hmmm?

As has been pointed out in the past, every one of us who engages in "the Hobby" is a [B][I]known [/I][/B]law-breaker. It doesn't matter if you have been caught or not. You are knowingly breaking the law. Every time.

Although I get the gist of what you are trying to say, the logic of your argument is faulty on several points. Here are just a couple:

1) Are you suggesting the person be banned from "the Hobby" or just this Site? I'm assuming that you mean this Site, since I don't know how you could possibly "ban" them from the Hobby.

2) How are you going to "ban" someone from this Site if they are arrested? Jackson certainly can't continually check every person who is a member of this Site for arrest records. I doubt it would be legal even if he were so inclined. So, how are you going to even know that someone was arrested unless they admit it or someone happens across the information?

3) As has been pointed out, when the Providers and Clients here are banned from this Site after they are arrested, this place is going to become a cyber ghost town. Then who is going to provide Services or Information?

What you are suggesting is irrational. I think Crissee has pretty much nailed it (no puns intended). Be an adult and act responsibly. If you are not prepared to "associate with a known [I][fill in the blank][/I]," then you need to get out of the Hobby. Simple.

We should all be as careful as we possibly can, but that is no guarantee that you won't get implicated, questioned, or arrested. In fact, the longer you do this and the more times that you participate, I would hazard an educated guess that the more likely it is that you [B][I]will [/I][/B]get implicated, questioned, or arrested. The [B][I]only[/I][/B] Way to avoid it is to [U]not do it[/U].

'Nuff said.

As a personal aside, I would like to thank Crissee for informing us of what happened and giving us details. I think that is commendable of her. And in my opinion, she is among the most articulate and reasoned of the members of the USASG Cincinnati Forum. Something that I fear is sorely lacking at times.

Be safe, be well.

JRW1[/QUOTE]Before I concede any or all of your points of contention, which I will most humbly do, let's hear from a gentlemen that has been arrested.

If you could please provide me the links to any forum posts that will provide the members of this site the other side of the story.

Feel free to post those links in a response to this post, or, if you are more comfortable, please send me a PM. Either way, upon reading those articles, I will apologize directly to Crissee in an open forum.

Brass

Not sure how I missed her for as long as I did, but fortunately I found her this week. Recently noticed a review here which led me to contact this truly nice young lady. We hit it off and had a great time together. The only thing that surpasses her skills as a provider is her genuine personality; she is a keeper. Low key and as nice as they come. Thanks sweetheart for a great visit. Highly recommend if BBW is on your menu.

Thank you for your kind words. I really enjoyed our time together.

Before someone points it out, I know this topic belongs in "General Reports" or somewhere else. But like Golfcart, I like this topic. It has been a good, relevant to the Hobby discussion; filled with thoughtful comments and opinions. And as a side benefit, it has been drama-free.

I agree that there will be no final "this is the way it should be done" type answer, but it has provided much to contemplate. Perhaps we will all (Providers and Hobbyists) benefit from the consideration of where we partake of the hobby. Anything that leads to safer encounters is going to be a good thing.

Obviously, having a Provider come to the Client's home has worked well for some (e.g. Todd Cincy). It has worked out horribly for others (e.g. Selective69). I have known Providers who work out of their own home and that seems to work out well for them (especially if they are a low-volume Provider). I have rented hotel rooms myself for outcall (don't personally like that, as I noted in my previous post). I have seen Providers in hotels for incall (obviously). They all [I]work[/I], but there are varying degrees of risk, reward, safety, and privacy for each.

I think Crissee's and Sinful Dreams' idea of moving very frequently to different parts of the city and different hotels sounds like a "best practice" for hotel incall. I agree that more upscale hotels are [I]probably [/I]better than the no-tels, which tend to be targets for LE. This solution is still not perfect, of course. For instance, you never know if the Provider is near where you are or if you'll have to drive 45 minutes to see her until you find out where she is that day.

The best choice might be for the Hobbyist or Provider to have a totally separate residential location to use for the Hobby. That might be the best mix of protection from LE and privacy. However, this solution involves having the money to purchase/rent this alternate residential location. And before someone thinks of it, don't consider "going in together" with other Hobbyists or Providers to purchase/rent this residential location. Just think, a number of Providers or Hobbyists all going to the same place to engage in these activities is going to get noticed and become a beacon target for LE.

Contributing to the discussion,
JRW1



[QUOTE=Sinful Dreams;1492815]I like outcalls, however it seems more are after the Incalls because of their "situation" whatever it may be. I make sure I don't go to the same hotel twice, and I go to different areas of the tri-state. I don't do the right up to the door hotels, because to me that is asking to be caught. And I don't do the notels either, because that shows a lot about who you are as a provider, and not caring about the client. I like nice hotels, and where there is an elevator and really the front desk doesn't even pay attention, versus a smaller hotel they do.

I will not ever do an incall out of my personal home, so I agree with everyone on that. The saying goes, do not shit where you eat. And basically the same goes for incalls in a providers personal home. I thought about getting another apartment just for that, but haven't made up my mind just yet.

Everyone including clients just needs to be safe, and practice common sense, and there will be a lot less to worry about. I do my reference checks, and am very cautious and smart.

Be Safe, Be Careful.

Ally[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Golfcart;1492783]I don't think we can say which is safer, incall (and where) or outcall (and where). Different situations present different risks. Nothing in the hobby is without risk.

When we have girls in our home we don't have the option of walking out. We are certainly not protecting our personal identity. I know that Todd has considered this. In return we are probably safer from a law enforcement sting because we are making it inefficient for law enforcement to spend the extra time necessary for the opportunity to bust just one hobbyist unless they are trying to get a high profile hobbyist. Undercover female law enforcement is also less likely to come inside our residence alone. Her backup cannot protect her once she is inside. In exchange for our enhanced safety from law enforcement every girl we see will have our personal information. That may not be enhanced safety when all the risks are considered. We have to balance the risks based upon our own situation.

I agree with Todd that hotels are risky.

The bottom line is we are like the chickens we see by the county road where one chicken in the group has been run over. Maybe that chicken didn't look, maybe it had to do with crossing the road one time too many. We are those chickens.

I like this topic.[/QUOTE]

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Anyone I trust seen her?

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[QUOTE=Caligulaxxx; 1493261]Seen the ad but no one of credit has reported on her think she also put ad here on USA.

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Anyone I trust seen her?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Brass1964; 1492839]Before I concede any or all of your points of contention, which I will most humbly do, let's hear from a gentlemen that has been arrested.

If you could please provide me the links to any forum posts that will provide the members of this site the other side of the story.

Feel free to post those links in a response to this post, or, if you are more comfortable, please send me a PM. Either way, upon reading those articles, I will apologize directly to Crissee in an open forum.

Brass[/QUOTE]That is fucking hysterical. From the guy who proposes that anybody who gets arrested gets banned from this board!

Good luck with that.

-BigBird69

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