Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=ChristNotama;6388610]I have been reading the forums and Sunny and HJN sound good, but I will only be able to sneak out to Asian Healing Center. Would you recomend? And just for future reference, is the second pic HJN?[/QUOTE]I ended up going to healing hands, not good, got Anna, old and stocky, service was bad, and kept asking every 5 seconds if I finished, idk about you, but the more they ask the longer you last, and it is not fun. She has a flower tatto on her chest, BJ was mediocre, with a starfish experience.

TL; DR.

Face 4/10.

Body 3/10.

Attitude 3/10.

Tip 1/10 Overpriced AF.

Overall 2. 75/10.

Avoid.

There was another one dressed in red when I finished, she seemed more amicable from the get go.

[QUOTE=ChristNotama;6388610]I have been reading the forums and Sunny and HJN sound good, but I will only be able to sneak out to Asian Healing Center. Would you recomend? And just for future reference, is the second pic HJN?[/QUOTE]Yes the second pic is HJN. AHC is where one guy reported having an experience with a used condom and it is widely reported that they don't change the table coverings. Pretty nasty stuff.

[QUOTE=CobraGuy;6388883]Yes the second pic is HJN. AHC is where one guy reported having an experience with a used condom and it is widely reported that they don't change the table coverings. Pretty nasty stuff.[/QUOTE]I always bring my own hats, don't trust these 304's, dang, nadty indeed, I was on a mission, so I actually never laid on that bed. It was bad indeed. Next time I will try the other one or the one called tokyo, to see what the game be like up in herr, but first impressions, not good.

[QUOTE=ChristNotama;6388971]I always bring my own hats, don't trust these 304's, dang, nadty indeed, I was on a mission, so I actually never laid on that bed. It was bad indeed. Next time I will try the other one or the one called tokyo, to see what the game be like up in herr, but first impressions, not good.[/QUOTE]There are no massage parlors "up in herr" (Roanoke) called Healing Hands. If you are going to post a review, at least get the name of the AMP you just visited right! . I also have no Idea what "304's" and "nadty" mean. I can save you the trouble. Don't bother visiting Tokyo, the game up in there typically isn't any better.

[QUOTE=SlapNutts;6389446]There are no massage parlors "up in herr" (Roanoke) called Healing Hands. If you are going to post a review, at least get the name of the AMP you just visited right! . I also have no Idea what "304's" and "nadty" mean. I can save you the trouble. Don't bother visiting Tokyo, the game up in there typically isn't any better.[/QUOTE]304 is code for hoe. Numerical, in reverse. D is next to s on the keyboard, so it's supposed to be nasty.

[QUOTE=Shooter1701;6390027]304 is code for hoe. Numerical, in reverse. D is next to s on the keyboard, so it's supposed to be nasty.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure why anyone needs a "code" for "[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]" on a Adult forum. LOL we are not in middle school. If that's todays "slang" it's pathetic.

Did not know if this one was a legit massage place or like most places in Roanoke. Could not find it listed on Rub Maps. Does anyone know?

[QUOTE=SlapNutts;6389446]There are no massage parlors "up in herr" (Roanoke) called Healing Hands. If you are going to post a review, at least get the name of the AMP you just visited right! . I also have no Idea what "304's" and "nadty" mean. I can save you the trouble. Don't bother visiting Tokyo, the game up in there typically isn't any better.[/QUOTE]That is the name of the spot "Asian Healing Center" up in therr, I apologize for my nadty spelling. I actually posted a picture of the map though, I mean even without the name, you should be able to figure it out. Thank you for the Tokyo warning, what about the other spot I asked about? Any improvement?

Visiting Roanoke tomorrow from Lynchburg any place I should check out?

[QUOTE=ChristNotama;6390269]That is the name of the spot "Asian Healing Center" up in therr, I apologize for my nadty spelling. I actually posted a picture of the map though, I mean even without the name, you should be able to figure it out. Thank you for the Tokyo warning, what about the other spot I asked about? Any improvement?[/QUOTE]I didn't scroll back to read every post you ever made. I just read and commented on post #4641 with the title "Healing Hands" . Why would you put "Healing Hands" in the title. Makes absolutely NO SENSE. Makes more sense to put the Name of the AMP or Escort you saw in the Title: area, so people reading the review know exactly where, and who you are talking about. ,instead of having to scroll down several posts to figure it out. I'm not part of the TikTok generation and go around using code words or Urban Dictionary spellings like "therr" or "nadty" on a Adult Forum so don't know what's spelled wrong or not.

[QUOTE=ClitLickHer;6390102]Did not know if this one was a legit massage place or like most places in Roanoke. Could not find it listed on Rub Maps. Does anyone know?[/QUOTE]Some say it is legit. Rocky Mount is a small town, so everyone knows everyone else's business.

Having said that, I know one person for sure that left very happy by a worker there, not the lady owner.

Generally money speaks loud he said, but they want to be descrete.

SO, maybe yes, or maybe no.

Take a chance and report back please.

Lily. Cute and flirty. That's where it ends. Opted for the 30 and glad I did. Mediocre massage. On the Flip major upsell. Quote 1. 0 for nude handy, 2. 0 for some head action and daty. Didn't even ask about full service. Took the standard shake and rolled out. YMMV. Been to several providers over the years and there's always been some negotiating room. Not this time haha. If you choose to go good luck and may the odds be in your favor. Will wait on the next.

[QUOTE=ClitLickHer;6390102]Did not know if this one was a legit massage place or like most places in Roanoke. Could not find it listed on Rub Maps. Does anyone know?[/QUOTE]Recently visited. Lady's name was Linda, I think. The room was interesting. Two walls were completely covered in mirrors. I don't think they are all that way. Attractive, nice body, good English, and laughed and teased a lot. Best actual massage I've had in a long time. On the flip, she asked about HE. For a small additional charge, she let the girls come out to play. Downside is that at least that day, they were busy. I was there as they opened. Before I got on the table, client #2 came in. She got on the phone and within minutes, another girl came in the back door. Then client #3 entered and she told him to come back later. I doubt much else is available, but I'll repeat.

I had been on the road for 4 hours and my shoulders and neck were killing me but feeling grimy. I needed a good rub down and relaxing rest, well against my best judgement I ventured into Sunny this afternoon and paid the house, on the way back I asked to use the bathroom and asked the lady for one of her hot towels, she asked why and I told her I felt dirty and wanted to at least towel off, I didn't want her to get the full scent of my day, she laughed and said come back here and you can you her shower, which surprised me, well between a couple pair of purple and pink panties drying on the towel rack, I jumped in and started to clean up, I then felt something close I turned around and there she was, totally bare and offered to help. Needless to say WOW. She said if I was that concerned about being clean she could at least help. In turn I said why don't we just clean up each other and enjoy the shower. OMG it felt like a GF fantasy experience. On to the room she dressed in a little nothing, the massage was actually good and since all shyness was gone there was some enjoyable teasing on both sides, after the flip she said slide over and snuggled up beside me.

And was almost like spooning for like 10 minutes, then oh my those cute little hips started grinding and it was off to the races. Before anything she gave a short but pleasant BBBJ then from under the table cover out come the new cover in the sealed wrapper. Let's just say that table in the back room got a nice workout and ended up against the wall.

The only downside, interrupting knocking at the door. Come one guys if the door is locked and no one answers don't keep pounding. I got my full hour + and even a nice kiss and pant on the butt leaving and she said come again soon, I laughed and I told her well that's up to you. House +1. 6 . I know more than I planned but if every place gave that attention and service it would be worth it.

I am told that this Lily below is gone already, and another new girl Sophia has arrived, very cute, photo attached, no details.

[QUOTE=WVFan32;6392063]Lily. Cute and flirty. That's where it ends. Opted for the 30 and glad I did. Mediocre massage. On the Flip major upsell. Quote 1. 0 for nude handy, 2. 0 for some head action and daty. Didn't even ask about full service. Took the standard shake and rolled out. YMMV. Been to several providers over the years and there's always been some negotiating room. Not this time haha. If you choose to go good luck and may the odds be in your favor. Will wait on the next.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DaveSalem;6394370]I am told that this Lily below is gone already, and another new girl Sophia has arrived, very cute, photo attached, no details.[/QUOTE]She didn't make it long. Wednesday was her first day. Stated I was her first customer. Maybe someone is keeping an eye on the forum.

[QUOTE=CoolWays;6392961]I had been on the road for 4 hours and my shoulders and neck were killing me but feeling grimy. I needed a good rub down and relaxing rest, well against my best judgement I ventured into Sunny this afternoon and paid the house, on the way back I asked to use the bathroom and asked the lady for one of her hot towels, she asked why and I told her I felt dirty and wanted to at least towel off, I didn't want her to get the full scent of my day, she laughed and said come back here and you can you her shower, which surprised me, well between a couple pair of purple and pink panties drying on the towel rack, I jumped in and started to clean up, I then felt something close I turned around and there she was, totally bare and offered to help. Needless to say WOW. She said if I was that concerned about being clean she could at least help. In turn I said why don't we just clean up each other and enjoy the shower. OMG it felt like a GF fantasy experience. On to the room she dressed in a little nothing, the massage was actually good and since all shyness was gone there was some enjoyable teasing on both sides, after the flip she said slide over and snuggled up beside me.

And was almost like spooning for like 10 minutes, then oh my those cute little hips started grinding and it was off to the races. Before anything she gave a short but pleasant BBBJ then from under the table cover out come the new cover in the sealed wrapper. Let's just say that table in the back room got a nice workout and ended up against the wall.

The only downside, interrupting knocking at the door. Come one guys if the door is locked and no one answers don't keep pounding. I got my full hour + and even a nice kiss and pant on the butt leaving and she said come again soon, I laughed and I told her well that's up to you. House +1. 6 . I know more than I planned but if every place gave that attention and service it would be worth it.[/QUOTE]Generally a nice time at Sunny if you are not cheap. They seem to care and roll out ones quickly that don't work out.

The good ones come back if treated well in future months.

I am looking forward to Wendy's return, but now seems to be very nice!

Treat the gals nice and they will treat you nicer.

DC.

[QUOTE=DaveSalem;6394370]I am told that this Lily below is gone already, and another new girl Sophia has arrived, very cute, photo attached, no details.[/QUOTE]Anyone went DATY and had a good time with her? Thinking to see her but need a verification.

[QUOTE=DaveSalem;6394370]I am told that this Lily below is gone already, and another new girl Sophia has arrived, very cute, photo attached, no details.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update.

May I ask where is the location?

And also, I never tried AMP before but as I found the reviews here, it cost around 200?

[QUOTE=TabledHote;6394615]Anyone went DATY and had a good time with her? Thinking to see her but need a verification.[/QUOTE]Yes had a great visit with Sophia, PM for details.

[QUOTE=WVFan32;6392063]Lily. Cute and flirty. That's where it ends. Opted for the 30 and glad I did. Mediocre massage. On the Flip major upsell. Quote 1. 0 for nude handy, 2. 0 for some head action and daty. Didn't even ask about full service. Took the standard shake and rolled out. YMMV. Been to several providers over the years and there's always been some negotiating room. Not this time haha. If you choose to go good luck and may the odds be in your favor. Will wait on the next.[/QUOTE]Damn. If that's Lily pictured in post #4653 , I'd say she's attractive for the area. A quick trip to Little Tokyo & Orchid in Roanoke or Timberlake BP in Lynchburg (3 shops all owned by Alice).

And historically you'll be greeted by ugly or fat broads and some that look to be 60 to 70 year old Grannies. Maybe I'm too picky but I've only seen 2-3 broads at Alice establishments that I'd call good looking and worth repeating with. Anyway Rates are up All over, I see Chaps in NY complaining about $300 AMP FS!. The rates you quoted don't sound that outrageous AMP broads have been asking 1. 0 for a nude handy around here for years. I know there are guys that'll claim they never pay over $100 for FS with anyone in the area. Maybe, maybe not. The old Ugly ones, sure $100 BUT someone attractive like Lily those broads will be asking the max for the area $160-$200 and they rarely negotiate, because they don't have too. Because attractive broads are few and far between around here and they know it.

[QUOTE=SlapNutts;6399484]Damn. If that's Lily pictured in post #4653 , I'd say she's attractive for the area. A quick trip to Little Tokyo & Orchid in Roanoke or Timberlake BP in Lynchburg (3 shops all owned by Alice).

And historically you'll be greeted by ugly or fat broads and some that look to be 60 to 70 year old Grannies. Maybe I'm too picky but I've only seen 2-3 broads at Alice establishments that I'd call good looking and worth repeating with. Anyway Rates are up All over, I see Chaps in NY complaining about $300 AMP FS!. The rates you quoted don't sound that outrageous AMP broads have been asking 1. 0 for a nude handy around here for years. I know there are guys that'll claim they never pay over $100 for FS with anyone in the area. Maybe, maybe not. The old Ugly ones, sure $100 BUT someone attractive like Lily those broads will be asking the max for the area $160-$200 and they rarely negotiate, because they don't have too. Because attractive broads are few and far between around here and they know it.[/QUOTE]The angle makes the body look nice, but it does not show her true figure, and the face looks like she using filters. Can anyone confirm what she really look like? I am not one to complain about rates, if the gal is hot and the customer service is great.

[QUOTE=ChristNotama;6400204]The angle makes the body look nice, but it does not show her true figure, and the face looks like she using filters. Can anyone confirm what she really look like? I am not one to complain about rates, if the gal is hot and the customer service is great.[/QUOTE]I have a cell number for the place and was told this was "new girl Sofia" and was texted this photo. I gave my $50 HH entrance fee to Mamasan and got comfortable in the room. Mamasan came back in (not Sofia pictured). I offered less than desired for FS but she said OK just this time, "next time you bring more", left and returned for the massage. I thought maybe because I underpaid, I was getting Mamasan instead of Sofia. I didn't question it because I hate the translation bullshit; I just went with it, had a great time, but she's not the one in the photo. The girl I had was older, medium build, very average looking. Body was OK with nice C-tits that were very firm, perky, and fun to suck on, and bigger for an Asian girl. The Sofia in the photo would have more tiny titties that you'd expect on a thin Asian girl.

I challenged her later via text that she did not look like Sofia. She responded in the best that her translation app could do, "Sofia with makeup". I still don't think so. I had a very enjoyable visit, almost PSE, but I think it's a bait and switch.

Visited HJN again yesterday and was pleasantly surprised to see that Eva had been honest; new (to me) provider named Dawn greeted me alongside Eva at the door. Warning! HJN added $10 to their hour rate; now $70.

I'd say Dawn is in her 30's; A cups and very petite, but has a good smile and is very cute. She doesn't speak a lot of English so our conversation was very short. House fee taken care of by Eva, Dawn asked "how hard massage" and I said "hard. " She didn't disappoint, worked my back and legs over very well before the flip. A decent amount of teasing followed then she motioned toward the little guy, then gave the BJ sign. I pointed to what I wanted and she motioned "pay first. " I asked if $ .40 would do it and she said "20 more" (figured such due to my last visit with Eva). Paid and she grabbed a cover (not in the package but it was a new one; can tell by the tight roll and the lube) which she installed, wiped clean then gave a quick CBJ before she climbed on top.

First provider I've had in awhile that a) climbed on top and b) could go all the way down. I can say she's a tight one. She then laid down and kissed my neck and nipples while she rode, which didn't take long to bring me to fruition, being that tight. She laid with me for a bit before climbing down and cleaning up (with a clean hot towel) then gave a good head massage until the hour was up (about 10 minutes or so). Cold, full sized bottle of water, wrapped candy and I was out the door. Eva greeted me on the way out and said she has another new gal coming soon. Hoping she's as good as Dawn is.

I'm 2/2 at HJN and after reading the other reviews from earlier, won't give Tokyo another thought until I have to. Total damage 70/160, YMMV. Good luck all!

Met Dawn at HJN last night and I can tell you I'm glad Eva is getting new talent. Dawn is maybe in her late 30's-early 40's, A cups, petite and very cute. A little shy but that might be due to the language barrier; she doesn't know a lot of English so you might want to have a translator app ready.

She gave me a great massage and when I said "hard" that's what I got. Good amount of teasing after the flip before she pointed to the little guy and then made BJ motions. I pointed to what I wanted and she responding with the "money" hand signal. I said "$ 40" and she said "20 more" so it seems that $. 60 is the going rate there. Paid and was given a new cover (not in package but could tell by the tight roll and lube) which she installed, wiped clean then quick CBJ before climbing on top.

It's been awhile since a) I've had a provider climb on top and b) one that could go all the way down. She then laid down and worked her mouth on mine, my neck and nipples while she rode me (she's tight) until she brought me to fruition (which didn't take long. Haven't had one that tight in ages). She laid on top for a bit until our breathing returned to normal before climbing down and cleaning up (with a clean new hot towel). She followed that up with a good head massage until the hour was up. Before we left the room, a hug and make out session ensued, all instigated by Dawn. Cold bottle of water, candy from the dish (all wrapped) and I was out the door. Eva met me there and said she's got another new gal coming in the next few weeks. I hope she's a good as Dawn!

Only drawback: house fee went up to 70/ hour; total damage 70 + $.60. YMMV. Good luck and enjoy the new talent!

Any new talent at Westlake? Or is the gal still there that gives the crazy table showers?

Just a note about HJN especially if you are traveling very far to visit. Might want to call / text to confirm they are open that day / time, I have stopped there a couple times and they were closed during their normal hours. Luckily I am not very far. I then went over to Sunny, the lady that opened the door did look like the photo in previous posts, however like one member said that pic is filtered to look better. But she is attractive, I am guessing early to mid 30's. Body looked to be average size body and small B's she had a loose sun dress on so I couldn't tell very good her shape. She seemed very nice, said she was busy and asked I come back in 30 min. I would have came back, but that day I didn't have time. Will try to visit in the future.

[QUOTE=Mm1234;6406915]Any new talent at Westlake? Or is the gal still there that gives the crazy table showers?[/QUOTE]Same old same old. And I mean old as in sixties with arthritic hands. The crazy table shower will get you clean from head to toe.

I really got tired of the STG scene so tried HJN. Very good massage, but way over priced for a HJ and my touching. Done in 45 minutes, not the hour for which I paid.

[QUOTE=SlapNutts;6399484]Damn. If that's Lily pictured in post #4653 , I'd say she's attractive for the area. A quick trip to Little Tokyo & Orchid in Roanoke or Timberlake BP in Lynchburg (3 shops all owned by Alice).

And historically you'll be greeted by ugly or fat broads and some that look to be 60 to 70 year old Grannies. Maybe I'm too picky but I've only seen 2-3 broads at Alice establishments that I'd call good looking and worth repeating with. Anyway Rates are up All over, I see Chaps in NY complaining about $300 AMP FS!. The rates you quoted don't sound that outrageous AMP broads have been asking 1. 0 for a nude handy around here for years. I know there are guys that'll claim they never pay over $100 for FS with anyone in the area. Maybe, maybe not. The old Ugly ones, sure $100 BUT someone attractive like Lily those broads will be asking the max for the area $160-$200 and they rarely negotiate, because they don't have too. Because attractive broads are few and far between around here and they know it.[/QUOTE]I've been to sunny multiple times. The girls there I've found way more attractive than any other AMP in the area. Most of the others from there I've been offered 80-120 brain and roughly 160 for full service. Personally not going to go for 200 for the brain action. Not judging anyone that does.

I was in the area last weekend. I live about 1 hr 45 minutes away and was my first time in Roanoke for several months and I wanted to try a new place. I keep up with this board regularly. I hadn't. Een to Little Tokyo before and stopped in there. I was met by a 50's lady not to bad. Told her I wanted one hour and she took me right back.

I undressed and got On The Table. The massage was probably 7 out of 10. I kept waiting for the tease and it never came so I was disappointed. I like a good tease to get in the mood. About 25 minutes in she asked for me to turn over. She asked what I wanted and I said everything. She asked again and I said all. She ask if I was LEO. I said no way. She asked again what I wanted and I said can you take clothes off. We settled on 1. 4. She left came back in and got undressed. Started with some rubbing and then went to BBBJ. After that standing miss, then miss. I want 100% hard because of the no tease. Again I'm not one to jump right in I need a little foreplay. After that I laid back down and continued with HJ and then BBBJCIM. It felf great and she was good, but maybe I wasn't as into it as I would have been if there was a build up. I got dressed and talked a little and out the door. She didn't give a name. I tried. Maybe she was scared that I was LEO. Maybe if I went back for more it would be better since she knows me. She was nice. Anyway, next time I'm in the area I'll try Sunny or another place. Would only go back if it was an only option. Everyone enjoy and keep us posted. Thank you.

Didn't know that this place existed. Near peters creek and Shenandoah. I asked there and in broken English she said six months. One girl yesterday and usually two the rest of the week. The provider was attractive and 36. Since I wasn't sure if it was a massage plus benefits, I waited to see. Normal routine. Relatively good hard massage but not as good as others I've had. At flip she teased me and asked what I wanted. I ended up with full nudity. Very firm breasts which felt real. Didn't see scars from surgery. Tummy tat. Trimmed Bush for DATY while uncovered BJ. Followed up by hot towel cleanup and meticulous care on getting dressed. 60 for entrance +80 for extras. Out of the way, unhurried and not a clock watcher. Don't know what the other girl looks like but she is there from Tuesday on and that's when there are two girls not one. I just got tired of HJN and never got in at either Star or Best.

I took a stroll over to YJN the other day. Normally I always have a good experience there. This time I couldn't get out the door fast enough. I had Eva, while she's always been good to me she answered the phone a few times but that doesn't bother. I could hear the other John's on the phone three different callers all three asking for a Happy Ending on the phone! I chalked that up to guys just being idiots, however as I was on the table. I heard another John come in, didn't think much of it. After my massage I walked out and noticed that the John that walked in was driving an unmarked white Ford Interceptor with black rims and Government plates. For all I know he could work for the forestry service. That whole experience gave me a very uneasy feeling. I don't think I'll be visiting any of the AMPs in Roanoke again.

[QUOTE=Painter324;6431066]Didn't know that this place existed. Near peters creek and Shenandoah. I asked there and in broken English she said six months. One girl yesterday and usually two the rest of the week. The provider was attractive and 36. Since I wasn't sure if it was a massage plus benefits, I waited to see. Normal routine. Relatively good hard massage but not as good as others I've had. At flip she teased me and asked what I wanted. I ended up with full nudity. Very firm breasts which felt real. Didn't see scars from surgery. Tummy tat. Trimmed Bush for DATY while uncovered BJ. Followed up by hot towel cleanup and meticulous care on getting dressed. 60 for entrance +80 for extras. Out of the way, unhurried and not a clock watcher. Don't know what the other girl looks like but she is there from Tuesday on and that's when there are two girls not one. I just got tired of HJN and never got in at either Star or Best.[/QUOTE]Visited here. Not 36. Nothing special in terms of looks or age.

Didn't partake so don't know about anything else.

I saw 2 new AMPs advertised on STG.

One on PC rd and the other way north on Williamson, anyone visited for a massage and willing to share. PM if desired.

Thanks.

Tried the new girl. Definitely a spinner. Not bad massage technique. She has a beautiful tattoo on her back so i had something to look at. Will sample again.
PM for details.

[QUOTE=CoolWays;6436695]I saw 2 new AMPs advertised on STG.

One on PC rd and the other way north on Williamson, anyone visited for a massage and willing to share. PM if desired.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Sophia of Rainbow Spa opened it. Basic stuff, limited menu to hand shake, great massage and new help coming soon, as business picks up.

Stopped over, on my way through town. Called ahead and spoke with some dude. "Money" met me at the door. I asked her name twice and that is what I heard. She is a MILF type. Probably 40. Could be older or younger. Just right for me. She didn't really speak English and I don't think she was pretending. We use the app to communicate when she didn't understand. I didn't go with much pretense. Forgo the towel. I disrobed in front of her and gave her a good look. I reach for my wallet and pulled out the extra. Held it in my right hand so that she could see it. They face down on the table. Immediately reach for her ass. I got a hold of her thong and pulled it off from underneath her skirt. She says "no massage?" I say no, no massage. I ask her to take her dress off. She motions for me to do it for her. Then, we proceed with the standard fair. I might as well have been in a brothel in Bangkok and I feel like I rolled some lucky numbers at the crapshoot.

On the way out I washed my hands in the bathroom. I got a good look at the back. I love the little drying rack that they have for the panties.

Good find, guys. Will repeat. Recommended.

Good day gent's I will be visiting your great city on the 16 this month, could you please PM.

Me the best please the get a massage and or may be a little extra.

Thank in advance.

AoP.

Are HJN and YJN in the same place? Will stop by on Memory weekend, and googled HJN and Sunny. It looks like HJN and Sunny are pretty close to each other, but HJN is listed at the same address as another AMP called YJN. Are these two the same thing? Thanks!