Another one bites the dust. 1818 gone.
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Another one bites the dust. 1818 gone.
My morning was almost disastrous but things took a 180 turn for the better. Seniors, PM me if you want my review.
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[QUOTE=Drunker Irish]Another one bites the dust. 1818 gone.[/QUOTE]
DC is done. 1818 was the last of the old ones. I believe it was Asian only before it advertised as IHC back in the mid 1990s. This is a sad turn.
[QUOTE=Ginger Man]DC is done. 1818 was the last of the old ones. I believe it was Asian only before it advertised as IHC back in the mid 1990s. This is a sad turn.[/QUOTE]
Conn Ave is still open and doing their thing but I wonder for how long, since in the past week they have been reviewed 3 times on another site, after that goes truly nothing will be left in DC.
[QUOTE=Brahmabull]Conn Ave is still open and doing their thing but I wonder for how long, since in the past week they have been reviewed 3 times on another site, after that goes truly nothing will be left in DC.[/QUOTE]Things don't die, they evolve. There are a lot of good things out there that work better without the wolf pack mentality.
[QUOTE=Dr Bombay]Things don't die, they evolve. There are a lot of good things out there that work better without the wolf pack mentality.[/QUOTE]
True, but more of a hassle factor. Used to be a couple minute metro ride, faster than parking. A nice selection if you didn't like one you could try another.
Oh well, you make do with what you've got...
We have all been very, very spoiled over the many years --there were few places like the DC AMPs in the whole country. Now we just need some male mayor of DC to get elected and tell LE that "the AMPs are a low priority." This is what Barry did and it was great in those days.
I'm off to CR --again.
I have a report but have some hesitation simply posting it on the board for everyone to read.
I can tell you the expreience was a bit different from what I'm used to. Not bad, just different.
Trusted members can PM. Sorry for being cryptic, but I feel it's for the best.
Cabbie!
Maybe a Shell of its former self, but had a chance last week to check out Sue at the green place. Older, barely spoke english, but probably top of what we have these days.
PM for details.
Wow. This place is slowing down.
Well I took another trip to the aforementioned shell station on cap st. This time had Nana (not the previously known ones). Short, petite, but nice body. Very enthusiastic. Would recommend. Age 31. Body looks younger, face slightly older.
I decided to try asian mist today and all was fine and what I would expect in DC. Nice 30 year old Hawaiian masseuse took good care of me in the TS and also back in the room. Typical DC $.
I think today was a good day to go around places and look up at the sky. I imagine everyone is so busy with the happenings at the convention center someone could stroll into an AMP if anywhere still open.
This forum is a joy killer! I could be coming to DC this fall for a 6 month tour...wow looks like I may save up some money.
Right now I have the pleasure of Las Vegas AMP's when the mood and cash are in line a decent quality and HUGE quantity are available. Are there any "get out" of DC Places that a guy can go to or is it really this devoid of options?
Thanks sorry to be a little negative but this seems bad.
Hi guys,
I just came from a AMP in another state and saw a girl that I recognized from Green last year. Some of you may have seen her and she was only there for a week before they got busted. She's a hot young spinner from California and you know no one else at Green was.
I asked her what happened and she said that they got busted by LE last November or December and she had to pick up trash downtown DC for a whole day. I just thought that was funny.
I asked her if that's why she wasn't coming back to DC and she said it was because there were no customers in DC and the ones that were they never tipped. I just thought it was hilarious!
BTW, I was in Atlantic City. There the house fee is $60 and the tip is $140. Lots of hot girls there and they also provide outcall to your hotel. Look up Oriental or VIP. The other AMPs there aren't so great according to the reviews I read.
[QUOTE=Drunker Irish]Another one bites the dust. 1818 gone.[/QUOTE]
Gone where? Someone forgot to tell the parking attendant.
[QUOTE=Bmore Slim]Gone where? Someone forgot to tell the parking attendant.[/QUOTE]
If you go to the 'office' the lights are off and mail is stacking up inside the darkened room.
[QUOTE=Drunker Irish]If you go to the 'office' the lights are off and mail is stacking up inside the darkened room.[/QUOTE]
Now that I think about it, you're right it is closed. I was thinking about the other spot down the street and around the corner. The parking attendant is for the club. Sorry for the mix up.
[QUOTE=Cranberries]Hi guys,
I just came from a AMP in another state and saw a girl that I recognized from Green last year. Some of you may have seen her and she was only there for a week before they got busted. She's a hot young spinner from California and you know no one else at Green was.
I asked her what happened and she said that they got busted by LE last November or December and she had to pick up trash downtown DC for a whole day. I just thought that was funny.
I asked her if that's why she wasn't coming back to DC and she said it was because there were no customers in DC and the ones that were they never tipped. I just thought it was hilarious![/QUOTE]
I cannot believe what has happened to the DC scene. It's in shambles, and the chicks don't want to come back because we are unwilling to up our prices just a few dollars.
We keep sticking to 160. Baltimore is 170. Dallas is like 180+. Cali is 180+. we need to understand that the spas and girls will set up shop where they can make money. They can go where they want to. And they DON'T go to places where they CAN'T make the most money, unless they have age/weight/attractiveness issues. Simple as that. Until we begin to tip, and the spas eventually work that into their prices, we'll never see a comeback, unless it is a rub and tug. And I'm not into that. I can do that myself.
You know what? With shit in DC being as bad as it is, if spas opened back up with 180-190 rates, most mongers would take that now...and the spas would come back into the city like crack, regardless of the pressure from the local authorities. Mongers might complain but they'd have variety and choice and they'd do it because it was the only game in town.
Mongers in DC are cheap. Look at the providers on Eros or some of the other sites. They want 300+ or more, and there's no TS, no bullshit like that. There are even CL Chickenheads asking for more than the people in DC are willing to pay a spa girl.
Over the 20 years I've been mongering, the spa price has not varied in DC at all in that time. When I started, guess what the price was? 160. Guess what these guys want to pay today? The same 160. That shit don't flow or ride in ANY economy. Now I'm not saying we need exponential jumps in price, but damn, we gotta quit being so fucking cheap and at least take SOME inflation into account.
We in DC are getting what we deserve by being so cheap in the first place.
Well that's what the girl told me. I thought she might not want to go back to DC because of the chance of getting busted again and picking trash, but nope...
Her reasoning was that DC guys are weird and don't tip. She said she was planning on leaving due to the lack of income and got busted the day before she was about to leave. Anyway, I know some of you do make the trip so if you have any questions about Atlantic City, hit me up... I'll be doing my AMP hopping there from now on.
[QUOTE=Cranberries]BTW, I was in Atlantic City. There the house fee is $60 and the tip is $140. Lots of hot girls there and they also provide outcall to your hotel. Look up Oriental or VIP. The other AMPs there aren't so great according to the reviews I read.[/QUOTE]
...to prove what I've been saying.
Total hit in AC, 200. I know this for a fact. I've been there myself. Not 160, but 200. These are simply the facts of life. This is the going rate there. You gotta know, with the girls moving around to the most profitable areas, the spas know what everyone charges and they match them (usually) based on economics. DC is one of the most economically solvent areas in the US right now.
Listen to my words here...
If we are not willing to make it profitable for the AMP to come back to DC, they NEVER will. There are too many other places for them to go.
Oh, you'll find the errant one that will try. But just as soon as they are closed, you'll wait for the next, or deal with the dregs of the industry.
Think about it....
I`ve ben saying this for over a year! But some of theis cheap ass`s here just do`nt belive. It`s all about the $$$$$$$$$$$
[QUOTE=Cranberries]Well that's what the girl told me. I thought she might not want to go back to DC because of the chance of getting busted again and picking trash, but nope...
Her reasoning was that DC guys are weird and don't tip. She said she was planning on leaving due to the lack of income and got busted the day before she was about to leave. Anyway, I know some of you do make the trip so if you have any questions about Atlantic City, hit me up... I'll be doing my AMP hopping there from now on.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NukeyNuke]...to prove what I've been saying.
Total hit in AC, 200. I know this for a fact. I've been there myself. Not 160, but 200. These are simply the facts of life. This is the going rate there. You gotta know, with the girls moving around to the most profitable areas, the spas know what everyone charges and they match them (usually) based on economics. DC is one of the most economically solvent areas in the US right now.
Listen to my words here...
If we are not willing to make it profitable for the AMP to come back to DC, they NEVER will. There are too many other places for them to go.
Oh, you'll find the errant one that will try. But just as soon as they are closed, you'll wait for the next, or deal with the dregs of the industry.
Think about it...[/QUOTE]
I have also been arguing that we all need to pay more. I have heard of some guys paying .7 for grade A ass. I know it seems like you got a deal, all you really got is a girl who thinks she got ripped off. Grade A ass won't take that for long.
These girls a not smoked out Streetwalkers. They are very aware of economics and markets. They are extremely mobile, and are under a lot of pressure.
If it makes you feel better think of the money you save from not having to pretend you love the ho. For those that play the dating game, you probably spend a lot more for a lot less.
My worst nightmare is having to go back to the days of pretending to love a ***** that I really just want to bang.
[QUOTE=A John]I`ve ben saying this for over a year! But some of theis cheap ass`s here just do`nt belive. It`s all about the $$$$$$$$$$$[/QUOTE]
Why do we go into the pricing cycle again?
We all - me included will pay the price asked so all of your pissing and moaning about someone being cheap is just so much piss and moan,
Give it a rest and let's not waste the time and space in here arguing about it anymore.
WE do NOT set the price! Never have and never will!
Get over yourself!
PEACE!
JJ
[QUOTE=NukeyNuke]I cannot believe what has happened to the DC scene. It's in shambles, and the chicks don't want to come back because we are unwilling to up our prices just a few dollars.
We keep sticking to 160. Baltimore is 170. Dallas is like 180+. Cali is 180+. we need to understand that the spas and girls will set up shop where they can make money. They can go where they want to. And they DON'T go to places where they CAN'T make the most money, unless they have age/weight/attractiveness issues. Simple as that. Until we begin to tip, and the spas eventually work that into their prices, we'll never see a comeback, unless it is a rub and tug. And I'm not into that. I can do that myself.
You know what? With shit in DC being as bad as it is, if spas opened back up with 180-190 rates, most mongers would take that now...and the spas would come back into the city like crack, regardless of the pressure from the local authorities. Mongers might complain but they'd have variety and choice and they'd do it because it was the only game in town.
Mongers in DC are cheap. Look at the providers on Eros or some of the other sites. They want 300+ or more, and there's no TS, no bullshit like that. There are even CL Chickenheads asking for more than the people in DC are willing to pay a spa girl.
Over the 20 years I've been mongering, the spa price has not varied in DC at all in that time. When I started, guess what the price was? 160. Guess what these guys want to pay today? The same 160. That shit don't flow or ride in ANY economy. Now I'm not saying we need exponential jumps in price, but damn, we gotta quit being so fucking cheap and at least take SOME inflation into account.
We in DC are getting what we deserve by being so cheap in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Reports of things being dead in DC are surely being overstated.
I know first hand that not all is as dead as some are saying.
[QUOTE=Sleazebum]Why do we go into the pricing cycle again?
We all - me included will pay the price asked so all of your pissing and moaning about someone being cheap is just so much piss and moan,
Give it a rest and let's not waste the time and space in here arguing about it anymore.
WE do NOT set the price! Never have and never will!
Get over yourself!
PEACE!
JJ[/QUOTE]
Yeah because no one here has ever posted shit like "she asked for $.4 but I told her all I got was $." or no one here has posted "I only take inside $.6 total never more and leave the rest/wallet in the car".
You are so right I have never seen these kind of price fixing suggestions posted on this board.. I must have been dreaming or thinking of another forum.
/end sarcasm.
These previous posts are valid, even if the girl excepts less because you took in less or negociated down, they will move on to other more profitable areas because they tire of trying haggle with dudes over fair market value for services.
There is a difference between fantasy and real life after all.
I do, in fact, take no more in than I intend to spend but the hourly rate has increased so that amount had to increae as well.
My whole point in what I have been saying about pricing is to not overtip from the de facto standard of the day - that is what I really mean in all this.
In any case, it just makes no sense to pay out more than is required for anything! When you see the dentist do you ofer them an extra $20 or $40 just because...? Do you tip the cashier at Wendy's?
Same idea. How about the cashier at Macys? How much over the asked price do you give her?
JJ
[QUOTE=Brahmabull]Yeah because no one here has ever posted shit like "she asked for $.4 but I told her all I got was $." or no one here has posted "I only take inside $.6 total never more and leave the rest/wallet in the car".
You are so right I have never seen these kind of price fixing suggestions posted on this board.. I must have been dreaming or thinking of another forum.
/end sarcasm.
These previous posts are valid, even if the girl excepts less because you took in less or negociated down, they will move on to other more profitable areas because they tire of trying haggle with dudes over fair market value for services.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sleazebum]
In any case, it just makes no sense to pay out more than is required for anything! When you see the dentist do you ofer them an extra $20 or $40 just because...? Do you tip the cashier at Wendy's?
Same idea. How about the cashier at Macys? How much over the asked price do you give her?
JJ[/QUOTE]
No but i do give more tip at the bar if I get better service (stronger drinks, more attention) or a larger tip if a waiter is at my call more than just to drop off the food and check.
I NEVER undertip though. That is just douche but I am sure many do that. Services I ask for depend on who I get. And if I get great quality time from someone that I think is very attractive, I do put in .2 more. My expectations have been raised and I reward that.
Sure many of us here are ok to the girls but many mongers are not. Of course SB I have no complaint to anyone that gives standard tip.
<<<<Shouldn't this discussion go in the general thread not the REVIEW thread?? :-) >>>
I am not buying the argument that we need to pay more to get the girls back into DC.
The fact is they have been operating here for more than twenty years--and accepting the price, that has remained unchanged. Just because the price of bread goes up, doesn't mean everything else has to go up in price.
There really aren't that many spas that provide FS like they do ( or did) in DC. Where its upfront, on the menu, and a straightforward discussion--or no discussion at all.
If you point to cities like New York, operating costs are higher so you'll have a higher price. Philadelphia has the same cost structure was Washington,DC. Providers are about the same quality or less than DC.
The really high quality girls are on the West Coast and in
asia. Pricing is slightly higher in San Francisco, but the quality is off the charts. I would say for an extra $40 in price, you're going from a Toyota Camry to Lexus 460.
Either way, all these arguments are moot, because there is no service in DC anymore. There are other places, but the quality is so piss poor that its not worth even the minimum.
Either way, you guys fucked up, and now DC is pretty barren. I'm already planning my next trip to AC and getting that full lineup! When was the last time you saw six beautiful Korean girls standing in a straight line in DC?
And just more evidence they follow the money is that the spinners told me they're just in AC for the spring and summer because that's when they're the most busy...
After that they'll probably move on somewhere else... But probably not here. :(
170 -180 is quite reasonable, but in those areas where this is the norm, the quality of the girls reflect this. In DC, i'm gonna be damned if i pay 180-200 for a girl that's less than a 7 on a scale from 1-10. And if i do end up with one, then the service better be spectacular.
If the scene in DC picks back up, and the price does jump up to near 200, some may moan about it, for a while, but men in general will compromise and part with what's in their wallet, when it comes to woman, no matter what they say; it's the way it's always been. The quality should to be there and reflect the price, as should the service.
[QUOTE=Drunker Irish]I am not buying the argument that we need to pay more to get the girls back into DC.
The fact is they have been operating here for more than twenty years--and accepting the price, that has remained unchanged. Just because the price of bread goes up, doesn't mean everything else has to go up in price.
There really aren't that many spas that provide FS like they do ( or did) in DC. Where its upfront, on the menu, and a straightforward discussion--or no discussion at all.
If you point to cities like New York, operating costs are higher so you'll have a higher price. Philadelphia has the same cost structure was Washington,DC. Providers are about the same quality or less than DC.
The really high quality girls are on the West Coast and in
asia. Pricing is slightly higher in San Francisco, but the quality is off the charts. I would say for an extra $40 in price, you're going from a Toyota Camry to Lexus 460.
Either way, all these arguments are moot, because there is no service in DC anymore. There are other places, but the quality is so piss poor that its not worth even the minimum.[/QUOTE]
I am pretty sure that is the point the previous posters were making. Even FS in DC prior to the closings did not have high quality gals. We did not have the best of the best, we had the ones willing to do FS for $. And those were the 40 somethings, who could occassionally look like they were 30ish. If that.
The better looking younger talent goes where they can get the most, once they can no longer earn that they move here.
Like it or not, the talent in DC has always reflected that.
If the optimal formula is to have smokin' hot girls and charge a .8 house fee and a $.2 tip, why hasn't some enterprising DC AMP operator tried it? There are plently of really hot Thai and Kgirl providers doing the equivalent of that just across the river in NOVA and they are very busy. Why not DC?
The reason has to be something other than price.
Lax
Re-elect Marion Barry. We live in a time of religious wingnuttery, all around. What was it Churchill said when describing an a**hole?
"He has all of the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
That is Fenty to me.
I wish the damn Rapture would hurry up and happen. Two reasons--
1. I won't miss the pious fanatics.
2. Those of us left behind are going to have a great time! All my friends will still be here.
And the spas will be open and better than ever!
[QUOTE=Laxman #2]If the optimal formula is to have smokin' hot girls and charge a .8 house fee and a $.2 tip, why hasn't some enterprising DC AMP operator tried it? There are plently of really hot Thai and Kgirl providers doing the equivalent of that just across the river in NOVA and they are very busy. Why not DC?
The reason has to be something other than price.
Lax[/QUOTE]
I imagine it's a Catch-22. They need hot girls to raise the price, but they can't raise the price without the hot girls. Sometimes the spa gets lucky in getting one, like the girl I was talking about, and that's the opportunity for her to make money and then spread the news to her friends that they're making money... But you guys blew it and she doesn't want to go back to DC again.
Also the house fee in AC is only $60 so the girls actually get $140.
[QUOTE=Sleazebum]There is a difference between fantasy and real life after all.
I do, in fact, take no more in than I intend to spend but the hourly rate has increased so that amount had to increae as well.
My whole point in what I have been saying about pricing is to not overtip from the de facto standard of the day - that is what I really mean in all this.
In any case, it just makes no sense to pay out more than is required for anything! When you see the dentist do you ofer them an extra $20 or $40 just because...? Do you tip the cashier at Wendy's?
Same idea. How about the cashier at Macys? How much over the asked price do you give her?
JJ[/QUOTE]
What I said was:
"You know what? With shit in DC being as bad as it is, if spas opened back up with 180-190 rates, most mongers would take that now...and the spas would come back into the city like crack, regardless of the pressure from the local authorities. Mongers might complain but they'd have variety and choice and they'd do it because it was the only game in town."
I didn't say anything about tipping more. I said we cannot be resistant to inflation and paying the inevitable increase in the price.
Your point is well taken. My point is to understand that we have to adjust for 20+ years of inflation, just as we would have to do in ANY industry.
[QUOTE=Drunker Irish]I am not buying the argument that we need to pay more to get the girls back into DC.
The fact is they have been operating here for more than twenty years--and accepting the price, that has remained unchanged. Just because the price of bread goes up, doesn't mean everything else has to go up in price.
There really aren't that many spas that provide FS like they do ( or did) in DC. Where its upfront, on the menu, and a straightforward discussion--or no discussion at all.
If you point to cities like New York, operating costs are higher so you'll have a higher price. Philadelphia has the same cost structure was Washington,DC. Providers are about the same quality or less than DC.
The really high quality girls are on the West Coast and in
asia. Pricing is slightly higher in San Francisco, but the quality is off the charts. I would say for an extra $40 in price, you're going from a Toyota Camry to Lexus 460.
Either way, all these arguments are moot, because there is no service in DC anymore. There are other places, but the quality is so piss poor that its not worth even the minimum.[/QUOTE]
Your quality arguement is correct, but I don't agree with the rest.
I walked into a spa in SF a few years ago and my jaw hit the floor. I've never seen so many fine specimens of Asian Womanhood (at least 12) sitting in one room, on one L-shaped couch, in my entire life.
I was so shocked, I went speechless...couldn't even pick one out...each one was a good as the rest. All 10+. One finally got off the couch, walked over to me, put my jaw back into socket, and led me off to bliss.
We NEVER get women of that quality in DC. And my posts below, in my opinion, are the reason why.
We have an extremely limited set of options in DC now. And my posts below, in my opinion, are the reason why.
Yes, operating costs are higher in NY. They've had better girls, also. Philly is equivalent to us, you're right.
Bottom line, if we want spas back, and we want quality, we'd better be prepared and willing to come off the "going DC rate" if we expect it to come and stay.
Nuke
[u][b]Washington DC[/b][/u]
The AMP (Asian Massage Parlor) is the most popular business model here. The all-inclusive price is generally $160, with $60 as the house fee. Very few customers. Very stingy tippers. The women that live locally and work locally tend to be on the older side, and most live in the suburbs of Virginia. In the past (up until summer of 2006), the girls would make $800-$1000 a day on average. This is why there about ten AMPs in the city with a total of around fifty girls for your choosing.
[u][b]Atlantic City, NJ[/b][/u]
The money-making season is in the spring and summer, and that is when the AMPs here make the most money. They provide all-inclusive service for $200, with $60 going to the house. They also provide outcall for $300, with $100 going to the house. Many of the girls here come from the New York area. The goal here is also $1000 a day.
[u][b]New York, NY[/b][/u]
The KMP (Korean Massage Parlor) is the most popular business model here, with the ladies taking studio pictures and being advertised all over the Internet as well as the newspaper. The all-inclusive price is $200, with $100 as the house fee. Some KMPs are busy, some are slow. Most of the customers tip generously. Many of the Korean ladies we know of live in Flushing, NY and work in Manhattan out of convenience. There are certain girls who are known as top draws and have been known to make upwards of $10,000 in one week. These days, $1000 a day is good.
[u][b]Flushing, NY[/b][/u]
Most of the KMP girls who work in Manhattan do not work in Flushing. Instead, many of the girls come from all over, including younger girls from Virginia and California, and also local girls who refuse to take pictures to work at a KMP in Manhattan. The most popular business model here is the Chinatown brothel. They cater mostly to Chinese customers, and the girls are rotated every ten days. Their business is based on providing new girls every ten days. Prices are as low as $140 with $40 going to the house. Good service is not required. The Chinatown brothel business model is prevalent in every major city, with some being as cheap as $120 with $40 going to the house. The goal is $1000 per day, but the economy here is also a little slow.
[u][b]Los Angeles, CA[/b][/u]
The Internet AAMP (Apartment Asian Massage Parlor) is the most popular model here. The price is $250, with $100 going to the house, but plenty of girls work independently and pocket all the money. Competition is fierce due to the huge amount of "supply", and due to the economy, it's not enough to be good looking in Los Angeles, you have to also be willing to provide multiple pops, BBBJ, and BBBJCIM. Most of the girls live in Koreatown, Los Angeles. The goal is also $1000 per day, but most are struggling to achieve that target rate. However, they continue to work here out of convenience.
[u][b]San Francisco Bay Area, CA[/b][/u]
The Internet AAMP is the most popular model here also. The price is $200, with $60 going to the house. The girls from Los Angeles who refused to do BBBJ used to come here to work, but now the Bay Area is dominated by former-LA girls who are willing to do BBBJ. Competition is fierce here also, and the goal is $1000 per day. Many are struggling to achieve it.
[u][b]Chicago, IL[/b][/u]
The Chinatown brothel is your best bet here. The price is $160, with $60 going to the house. Many girls from Los Angeles come to work here as the work is easy, and there is a large amount of clients. By easy work, it means the service is bad. Once you cum, you're done. Apparently the economy is still good in Chicago. The goal is $1000 per day.
When I first started visiting AMPs 3-4 years ago, I tried the "all I have is 130 or 140" shit, or I can you give it to me for less stuff (don't even consider doing it anymore). The response I got was never "ok, fine, but just this time. " It was always absolutely not, the price is 60 for house, 100 for girl. Here is how supply and demand works. Currently zero smoking hot chicks. One smoking hot chick appears but says no less than 200. If you don't want to pay, leave. No where else to go for lesser price and equal value, mongers will pay 200. Eventually other chick will appear and also demand 200, and for variety purposes, mongers will try other chick too. And so it expands. I don't believe this is a tip thing. Its clearly a shut down thing.
The stated price is the price. If they want more they need to say so when price and services are discussed.
I like to know how much cash I am spending before I get caught up in the moment. At such times I would empty the wallet if stimulated.
jj
[QUOTE=NukeyNuke]What I said was:
"You know what? With shit in DC being as bad as it is, if spas opened back up with 180-190 rates, most mongers would take that now...and the spas would come back into the city like crack, regardless of the pressure from the local authorities. Mongers might complain but they'd have variety and choice and they'd do it because it was the only game in town."
I didn't say anything about tipping more. I said we cannot be resistant to inflation and paying the inevitable increase in the price.
Your point is well taken. My point is to understand that we have to adjust for 20+ years of inflation, just as we would have to do in ANY industry.[/QUOTE]