Thanks Harpo2u for important post on McM stings / surveillance
Your post on LE activity in the McM area is extremely valuable. Indeed it is actually MORE valuable than descriptive report of SW experiences. Mongering carries significant risks if the rules are not understood, followed, and if the big head stays in charge.
Last week, I saw a surprising number of SWs out along the McM cruise. One sitting on McM near MLK stuck out like a sore thumb. One sitting on a stoop at Marshall (she looked maybe a little too good?). D&D has long been known to be surveilled (I think I heard that D&D ASKED for police to watch their place, but I also know SWs who buy stuff there) , one near Straight St, two between ravine and the corner with the Imperial. Some were new and interesting, but also a couple well-worn SWs. Saw several cop cars, and one sitting in the lot across from the church (long an LE park and watch place.)
So there is a crop to choose from out there, but seriously-be very cautious, follow the rules to the letter.
Thanks again Harpo2u. You are right, we need more reports like yours which give details on LE activities and surveillance.
P. S. Did not hear of "Doctor bust," but here is the link:
[url]http://www.local12.com/news/local/story/Doctor-Arrested-In-Prostitution-Bust/f8gYDpKaVEOeVc1aexlAVQ.cspx[/url]
If you look at the comments, the silver lining is that they speak to issues of legalization, cops wasting time and energy on this kind of sting while serious crime is unabated, poor choice of Interstate Motel, and being a $15 cheapskate... (Even I was surprised at the lowball offer...)
I believe anyone that followed the rules would ever be busted in a sting: Does she look TOO good? Does she want to negotiate thru the window? If so, did you tell her you thought she was a friend you were looking for? Get the hell out of there.
[QUOTE=Harpo2u; 1212673]Tonight I watched several bust along the McMicken Ho trail. Two of the LE undercover busts were at the corner of McMicken & Marshall in less than an hour. Also at the Mohawk & Linn corner LE had stopped someone.
Also saw the UC doctor bust the night before with the famous Cincy police woman, Mandy. The doctor was stopped at the McMicken & Marshall corner. Didn't see any LE at the Interstate as reported by channel 12.
LE and undercover SUV's are parked near Marshall & McMicken. There is a street just off Marshall called De Votie Ave. Where they are parking and waiting. If your in the area you need to check the area carefully before making any pick-ups.
Again you need to be careful near the D & D mart store where undercover likes to watch and catch people.
We need more reports on LE spotting and where they're hiding.
Watch your back.
Harpo[/QUOTE]
It IS important to post details of observed LE activity!
The Boomster is usually right on the money, but here I have to disagree.
The more details we post about LE activities (location, details of vehicles, busts, etc) the better for our fellow mongers. How could it be otherwise? So what if LE is reading our board? So let LE move elsewhere if we reveal their location and vehicles! At least mongers will not be at risk from the most recent locations. I don't get it at all that we shouldn't post this critical information.
I don't know who says NOT to post this info, but I would challenge them. And who says not to give LE plate#s? Is there a lawyer in the audience? I am interested in the legal specifics on this. And how are they going to trace the source?
Finally, Boomster: PLEASE, give details of LE activity in as great a detail as you are comfortable. It is one of the most important functions of this board.
Giani
[QUOTE=Mr Boombastic; 1212979]I is good that we observe LE stings and there hiding places, but here is the problem,"Once we post this info, they then know this because WE just told them".
I was told to PM the info and try not to post it if possible, but I understand that everyone must know. I know I discussed with a member about seeing the undercover SUV's the LE was using on drug bust, and SW stings, and I had the license numbers too, but I was told that it was okay to give out the SUV descriptions, but not the licenses numbers. I thought that to be a better solution, but now I don't even give out the car descriptions. I just give the locations and say watch out. I still prefer to PM the info than post it. But I do understand that the info needs to be known.
PEACE! [/QUOTE]
I agree with Giani on Posting all intel on LE
[QUOTE=Giani; 1213509]e Boomster is usually right on the money, but here I have to disagree.
The more details we post about LE activities (location, details of vehicles, busts, etc) the better for our fellow mongers. How could it be otherwise?
Finally, Boomster: PLEASE, give details of LE activity in as great a detail as you are comfortable.
Giani[/QUOTE]Why with-hold important information that can keep you safe from getting busted?
A year ago I had spotted the now famous female cop, Mandy, and others but didn't directly posted the intel on the board and instead said to PM me for LE activity. I got a couple members to PM me and that was it. Many didn't know what was going on with police stings and what to look out for on the streets. My point is that we should post everything we observe on LE activity. What can they do a out it? Nothing as far as I can tell. There are only so many hidding spots along McMicken and if we know about them then we can detect their presences whenever we drive by. LE can change what autos they use but we know their hide outs and spot them easily. Besides they can have too many cars to use on the undercover. It would be impossible for them to use different cars every week!
I say we members put them on the defense and make it harder for them to catch us.
Remember the doctor who was just caught. Was it fair to post his picture on the news and on the radio tell about his mishap that may possibly destroy his career because he did a 4th degree misdemeanor?
Don't know if he was a member of this board but he certainly would want to know about what to look out for on LE activity. Justice the rest of us.
Harpo
LE vehicles, locations they park, knowledge of SWs.
While the make can vary, LE love SUVs with tinted windows. Obviously tinted windows helps them hide. Never have seen LE in an older car. As Harpo pointed out, there are a limited number of hiding places they can park on the cruise which provide good surveillance. These HAVE to be near the hot zones or else LE winds up sitting there for hours to no effect. PLEASE report those locations. We know they like the lots near the church at McM and Race (I have posted pix of this). Also watch carefully at corners of Straight and at Marshall for suspicious cars. You know the rule, if you have any doubt, keep moving!
I am under the impression that surveillance is almost always associated with stings, but obviously SWs in the area should have good info on this. Ask your date what she knows about LE activity-SWs are an excellent resource of this information.
[QUOTE=Getnati; 1213774]Don't underestimate LE. They have a ton of vehicles at their disposal. They also know that their undercover cars get burned all the time. That's part of the game. As a matter of fact, I would be surprised if they ever use a vehicle twice in the same type of sting. Their cars get traded around from district to district. Cars that have been taken into custody from drug dealers etc. They also lease vehicles from different places.
Even though we trade info on where and what type of car, you shouldn't rely solely on those items. Always sniff around, trust your senses, watch your six and follow the rules. [/QUOTE]
We are only a few fish in a Ocean of Mongers
[QUOTE=Giani; 1213509]The Boomster is usually right on the money, but here I have to disagree.
The more details we post about LE activities (location, details of vehicles, busts, etc) the better for our fellow mongers. How could it be otherwise? So what if LE is reading our board? So let LE move elsewhere if we reveal their location and vehicles! At least mongers will not be at risk from the most recent locations. I don't get it at all that we shouldn't post this critical information.
I don't know who says NOT to post this info, but I would challenge them. And who says not to give LE plate#s? Is there a lawyer in the audience? I am interested in the legal specifics on this. And how are they going to trace the source?
Finally, Boomster: PLEASE, give details of LE activity in as great a detail as you are comfortable. It is one of the most important functions of this board.
Giani[/QUOTE]I doubt LE runs its day to day operations on information found on this board. This board probably has less than 5% of the Mongers in Cincinnati who use it. LE may run an specific sting from information found here but day to day operations, I doubt it. There are just to many Mongers out there who don't have a clue this fourm is here. Please Post as much information about LE activity as you are comfortable with. This is what gives us the edge,
2 photos
Young blonde on corner of Marshall & McM.
She was sitting on the steps on the W side earlier this week. (To the S, not to the N of D&D.) Looked almost too good (as you said, fresh face, young, not at all street worn). Remember that this is an extremely hot zone. There are a number of remote sites where LE could be observing. A friend that I was with who is familiar with the scene said ominously "She's new."
Here are two pix. One of the infamous D&D, the other, the blue and white building on whose steps she was sitting.
If anyone DOES get info on this newbie, let us know.
[QUOTE=Getnati;1215119]Anybody have any intel on the blonde on Mcmicken just north of the D&D? She's a new face to me. Seen her a few times around rush hour in the afternoon. Looks pretty new to the game, fresh new face, clean and young. In her 20's about 5'7" 120 lbs. She seems to stay at the EXACT same spot everytime which makes me weary that it might be a sting. I tried to imagine the famous Mandy from Police Women dressed up, but I don't think it's her.[/QUOTE]