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#1 - The Rate is not in the ad. Is 70/ hr correct? I know that 60 or 70 tends to be the rate.
#2 - Is there now a working TS that is included? The one post was not clear and not sure about that post either.
#3 - Do you get your full hour?
#4 - What was the quality of your massage. If my masseuse cannot work my actual neck, shoulders, back, etc. Really well. Then I will be disappointed.
How does the actual massage compare to Knightdale? Do they give the full-time there?
[QUOTE=Editit;2702671]Was there before the upgrades. Wondering what the fees are for the hh and hr? Also trying to figure out what "worked on it greatly" means. LOL. Pm is welcome. Thanks![/QUOTE]Hh 45.
H 65 if I am not mistaken.
'worked on it greatly' LOL she knows how to stroke it really good LOL she was pretty good with her hands.
70 is correct.
TS works just fine and is included.
I have gotten full or even more than an hour.
You may be disappointed, the skills of the two I have seen were not as good as other AMP's but I still went back.
From my recollection Knightdale was about the same although I do not know the rates.
[QUOTE=livinitinva;2705888]#1 - The Rate is not in the ad. Is 70/ hr correct? I know that 60 or 70 tends to be the rate.
#2 - Is there now a working TS that is included? The one post was not clear and not sure about that post either.
#3 - Do you get your full hour?
#4 - What was the quality of your massage. If my masseuse cannot work my actual neck, shoulders, back, etc. Really well. Then I will be disappointed.
How does the actual massage compare to Knightdale? Do they give the full-time there?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Editit;2706618]70 is correct.
From my recollection Knightdale was about the same although I do not know the rates.[/QUOTE]Knightdale is 45 hh, 65 h, above the standard tip of. 4 which gets you ovc roaming the tip generally goes up in increments of. 2 for additional access or services, I. E. . 6 under the top, etc.
On the Charlotte Massage forum there are posts about Papaya and Osaka Spas have apparently closed this week due to LE activity. Charlotte for years use to have several spas which featured younger girls with full menus but some have felt the heat from uncle in recent days.
[QUOTE=JohnJohn1972;2702736]The note stressed me out and I only wanted to alert everyone to what is going on. The concern for me is that it is easy to smear someones name. Which may not be legal, but once it is out it can lead to issues with someones personal life.
This board has provided a lot of information and advice that I appreciate. This was odd enough that I wanted to share it with the group.
Thanks![/QUOTE]That's a fair point especially since you're supposed to be able to find out information on people from their license plate alone. All that said, from her perspective there should be no difference between you going into and AMP and a Massage Envy. I think the latest AMPs close around 10 (which isn't that late) and I doubt the customers are loud or obnoxious nor would I imagine that having an AMP in the same plaza would scare off customers for her. Most have dark windows and very few have massage in bold letters.
[QUOTE=Purple45;2707482]On the Charlotte Massage forum there are posts about Papaya and Osaka Spas have apparently closed this week due to LE activity. Charlotte for years use to have several spas which featured younger girls with full menus but some have felt the heat from uncle in recent days.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info P45, I usually don't check out their board unless I'm going to be near. Charlotte is a fun place to visit it's like having a rotation of VIP spas at your disposal. It's no secret on the other site it list their services rates and names so it's like shooting fish in a barrel if LE wants to harass them. Don't get me wrong teachers, fireman, LE and most of all our military are the most important people in our community but for God sakes LE please spend our tax money catching the real bad guys doing harm in our communities these ladies are only doing what the American mans little head is instigating. It's kinda like this all over the country in most towns no matter what state it settles down for a stretch and its business as usual then someone on a board or committee somewhere says we have to clean this shit up NOW! Then round and round it goes. Some places after a while just throw their hands up and say fuck it let them do what they want kinda like Los Angeles a one hour massage there cost $25 and with another $75 tip you can leave with your sack looking like a dried up prune. I was in San Gabriel for 2 weeks there were as many Parlors there as we have CVS stores I didn't go to a spa when I got home for a month I had no sperm left I didn't want to see a naked Asian girl for a long time I needed rest Oh the stress I endured at really good prices I might add! Oh sorry getting back to Chalotte I think if there's trouble it will pass and I'm sure LE looks at the Charlotte USASG board and RMap board as much as we do which brings me back to my recent statement in another post if a place around here is offering the good stuff just remember LE is paying attention if the ladies are taking care of us we need to take care of them, corny but true, loose lips sink ships. Richard Pryer was a genius his Mudbone Character once said (you only get two pieces of pussy in your whole life your first and your last, all that stuff in between well that's just gravy) lets protect our precious gravy around these parts fellas. Have a great weekend ya'll.
Noticed the ad below today. Looks like #43 may be back in business. I know some folks had complained of poor service but that was not my experience here. Wondering if anyone knows the backstory. I may have to venture out soon.
[URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/BodyRubs/grand-opening-asian-massage-free-table-shower-919-468-1551/25047162[/URL]
[QUOTE=Editit;2705709]I have read some pretty good posts about one girl there. Thinking of trying to make an appointment with her. Any one have advise for this spot? As always PM is welcome. Thank you.[/QUOTE]So I went to see and experience this one. I tried to call but got a busy signal every time so just tried my luck. I walked in and was greeted at the counter, I asked to see "X" (the popular one). It just so happens that she is who greeted me at the counter. So far I was doing good. She was very happy and smiled as I explained how my friends suggested I see her. I paid the house fee and got ready. TS was nothing special, and after drying my back she tossed me the towel and said "you do front". Massage: I am no connoisseur but this was nothing special IMO. Now to be fair, she did say she had a cold, and was not feeling well. She was great to talk to, and very open. The towel stayed in place for all but the last few min of the pre flip time. The FLIP: this is the real reason I even go to any AMP to be honest. So, during the massage the was zero teasing. Then we flip, and she just gives a cute look and gives things a little attention. The steps back and shows me one of the best bodies I have yet to see on an AMP provider. IMO pure perfection (my body type). I was allowed over allowed over covered touch, and mostly the bottom. She change the lighting dance a little bit then start again. I could tell she had some tricks up her sleeve, but maybe her being sick had her holding back. Or maybe we just did not click. I ended up having to go diy to finish (a first for me). So, for me I list this one in my bottom 3. I am not sure I would go back. Maybe now that she knows me, things would be better? I will say her body is outstanding! But the experience as a whole, was far from memorable for me. SM's may pm with any questions.
Looking for advice on who to see at this location. If you have info please pm me.
[QUOTE=Pmondore;2707838]Noticed the ad below today. Looks like #43 may be back in business. I know some folks had complained of poor service but that was not my experience here. Wondering if anyone knows the backstory. I may have to venture out soon.
[URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/BodyRubs/grand-opening-asian-massage-free-table-shower-919-468-1551/25047162[/URL][/QUOTE]I had dinner at Abbey Road next door and their light was on. Didn't stop in but they were definitely open.
[QUOTE=RufoReal6371;2708176]I had dinner at Abbey Road next door and their light was on. Didn't stop in but they were definitely open.[/QUOTE]I have tried this location, 2 x. Both occasions, were to say the least, horrible. Table shower was broken, was rushed, massage quality was not good.
Has anyone seen this masseuse?
[URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/m-a-s-s-a-g-e/22610895[/URL]
Same for me, rushed and although happy, not great. Shower was out of order when I went.
[QUOTE=RufoReal6371;2708176]I had dinner at Abbey Road next door and their light was on. Didn't stop in but they were definitely open.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Merica94;2707863]Looking for advice on who to see at this location. If you have info please pm me.[/QUOTE]You may find some answers really close to this post.
[QUOTE=thyll2;2708985]Has anyone seen this masseuse?
[URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/m-a-s-s-a-g-e/22610895[/URL][/QUOTE]She advertises as a 30 year old, single, multi-ethnic lady. She has advertised mostly in Raleigh and Wilmington but once in Texas just 13 days ago.
[URL]http://www.eroticpostreviews.com/p/973600?modal=8443537&i=true[/URL]#modal-tab.
Made a trip to VIP for my first trip. 80 at the door for the H, asked if it was my first time, and I replied "yes". Got a cute girl maybe 5'8 and in her late 20's / early 30's. A little chubby, but also in the right places.
Table shower was nothing special, she laughed a few times to try and lighten the mood. Started on the back with a light massage, very disappointing, but we typically don't go just for the massage.
Spent maybe 20 minutes on the legs, no enthusiasm. Clearly she didn't want to be there. No tease prior to the flip, and she motioned for a hand job. I ask if there were extras and she shrugged and declined. She did pull out a single boob LOL, but wasn't comfortable with OTC roaming. Decent ending, but overall disappointed. I know it was the first time and later visits have the potential to improve, but with the price and the long drive I don't feel it is worth it. Was rushed out in about 35 minutes from arrival.
RT.
[QUOTE=Randomtoast;2709269]Made a trip to VIP for my first trip. 80 at the door for the H, asked if it was my first time, and I replied "yes". Got a cute girl maybe 5'8 and in her late 20's / early 30's. A little chubby, but also in the right places.
Table shower was nothing special, she laughed a few times to try and lighten the mood. Started on the back with a light massage, very disappointing, but we typically don't go just for the massage.
Spent maybe 20 minutes on the legs, no enthusiasm. Clearly she didn't want to be there. No tease prior to the flip, and she motioned for a hand job. I ask if there were extras and she shrugged and declined. She did pull out a single boob LOL, but wasn't comfortable with OTC roaming. Decent ending, but overall disappointed. I know it was the first time and later visits have the potential to improve, but with the price and the long drive I don't feel it is worth it. Was rushed out in about 35 minutes from arrival.
RT.[/QUOTE]You didn't mention a tip for services rendered, or as an inducement for additional services. Did she seem open to further discussion, or was it just "No"? I've not visited in a long time so it would be useful to know current conditions from one who has TOFTT!
[QUOTE=MDBellamy;2709505]You didn't mention a tip for services rendered, or as an inducement for additional services. Did she seem open to further discussion, or was it just "No"? I've not visited in a long time so it would be useful to know current conditions from one who has TOFTT![/QUOTE]I tipped. 6, she never asked or negotiated. When I asked for extra services, and said I could pay, she again just shrugged and played dumb. Figured it was because it was my first time. Probably could have been a little more assertive and gotten more, but I was barely in the mood after her lack of enthusiasm. Hope that helps!
[QUOTE=Randomtoast;2709269]Made a trip to VIP for my first trip. 80 at the door for the H, asked if it was my first time, and I replied "yes". Got a cute girl maybe 5'8 and in her late 20's / early 30's. A little chubby, but also in the right places.
Table shower was nothing special, she laughed a few times to try and lighten the mood. Started on the back with a light massage, very disappointing, but we typically don't go just for the massage.
Spent maybe 20 minutes on the legs, no enthusiasm. Clearly she didn't want to be there. No tease prior to the flip, and she motioned for a hand job. I ask if there were extras and she shrugged and declined. She did pull out a single boob LOL, but wasn't comfortable with OTC roaming. Decent ending, but overall disappointed. I know it was the first time and later visits have the potential to improve, but with the price and the long drive I don't feel it is worth it. Was rushed out in about 35 minutes from arrival.
RT.[/QUOTE]My comments here about VIP is nothing new on the board their service is widely known. Your first sentence said it all it was your first trip there. You don't have to speak Chinese or Korean and they don't have to speak English at these places for your trip to be successful but you do need to understand the script depending on the place. First of all VIP is not famous for their massage's don't expect much sometimes the shower can be extremely sqeeky clean. And depending on your agenda don't expect to be there a full one hour unless you want to impress or wear her ass out literally. Now to the flip script if you want a HJ and she motions for one smile and gently pull her toward you or no matter what she motions if you want that honey hole you point or touch the part you want. Remember at this point of the visit she wants to know what you want and she shouldn't be the one offering, depending on her english skills you should be the one making the request with gestures not verbal jabbering she understands a point at the pussy 100% now you have to produce the tip amount and cover (they probably provide the cover if my memory serves me) when she shrugged her shoulders, she was waiting for you to point at that pussy and hold up fingers that indicated how much $ you were going to tip her. It is not as much as a rookie mistake as it is not knowing the script in these places. I've been in other Korean places that are similar to VIP and the girl did not know one word of English but she new exactly what my hand gestures meant. Every game has its rules if you want to play learn the rules. This is a great board to learn from. I will say VIP has had a business model that has worked for them for a long time I would be real surprised if they offered lesser services it's always been a full menu unless you give the girl a bad vibe. The only issue I've ever heard about them having is some post were made about them denying entry to the spa to guys because they probably looked like LE and some felt it was due to their race. Learning the script makes the game /visit a lot easier for you and her.
[QUOTE=Purple45;2709037]She advertises as a 30 year old, single, multi-ethnic lady. She has advertised mostly in Raleigh and Wilmington but once in Texas just 13 days ago.
[URL]http://www.eroticpostreviews.com/p/973600?modal=8443537&i=true[/URL]#modal-tab.[/QUOTE]I have seen her once, very sweet woman, attractive, did not rush, did not do full service, but had a good time and couldbe available. Very reasonable. I would recommend.
[QUOTE=Purple45;2581895]
5. While she lightly caresses with her finger tips, before the flip, you slowly elevate your hips hoping for a "Reach Around".
[/QUOTE]Visit #40 on JJ's list.
[QUOTE=XHippie;2709559]My comments here about VIP is nothing new on the board their service is widely known. Your first sentence said it all it was your first trip there. You don't have to speak Chinese or Korean and they don't have to speak English at these places for your trip to be successful but you do need to understand the script depending on the place. First of all VIP is not famous for their massage's don't expect much sometimes the shower can be extremely sqeeky clean. And depending on your agenda don't expect to be there a full one hour unless you want to impress or wear her ass out literally. Now to the flip script if you want a HJ and she motions for one smile and gently pull her toward you or no matter what she motions if you want that honey hole you point or touch the part you want. Remember at this point of the visit she wants to know what you want and she shouldn't be the one offering, depending on her english skills you should be the one making the request with gestures not verbal jabbering she understands a point at the pussy 100% now you have to produce the tip amount and cover (they probably provide the cover if my memory serves me) when she shrugged her shoulders, she was waiting for you to point at that pussy and hold up fingers that indicated how much $ you were going to tip her. It is not as much as a rookie mistake as it is not knowing the script in these places. I've been in other Korean places that are similar to VIP and the girl did not know one word of English but she new exactly what my hand gestures meant. Every game has its rules if you want to play learn the rules. This is a great board to learn from. I will say VIP has had a business model that has worked for them for a long time I would be real surprised if they offered lesser services it's always been a full menu unless you give the girl a bad vibe. The only issue I've ever heard about them having is some post were made about them denying entry to the spa to guys because they probably looked like LE and some felt it was due to their race. Learning the script makes the game /visit a lot easier for you and her.[/QUOTE]Good information XHippie, I often wondered, how it all worked with the language barrier.
I have been enjoying this hobby for 20 plus years now. I have sampled a variety of the talent at various locations throughout the area. I would find a provider I liked and would stick with her building up a repour until sooner or later they would always move on. Then I was stuck again going from location to location trying to build up a new repour with a new provider. This would become costly and would be hit or miss on the level of service received.
This past year I have decided to try a new tactic. I have been sticking to one location even after a preferred provider moves on or is in New York for the week. I have found I still get the service with the extra benefits even with a first time visit with a new provider. I guess the girls do talk and share info on us "Johns".
Was in the area and had some time to kill. Hadn't heard anything out of this AMP for a while so decided to stop by. Opted for the hh for. 5. Declined the upsell TS for another. 2 as even though I enjoy it, In my mind, it's more for their benefit than mine so they should want to make it happen. Didn't ask the lady's name. Didn't care. Decent build, butter face. Nice smile though. Funny how that happens. Anyway. Decent medium pressure. Wonderful teasing. No negotiation on the flip. Straight to work and did a great job. Almost made her build up a sweat. I wanted to keep that one going as long as I could. Couple of hugs and a bottle of water (she really is a sweetheart) and I was out the door. . 4 tip and she was happy to get it.
[QUOTE=NeedsSome;2710031]I have been enjoying this hobby for 20 plus years now. I have sampled a variety of the talent at various locations throughout the area. I would find a provider I liked and would stick with her building up a repour until sooner or later they would always move on. Then I was stuck again going from location to location trying to build up a new repour with a new provider. This would become costly and would be hit or miss on the level of service received.
This past year I have decided to try a new tactic. I have been sticking to one location even after a preferred provider moves on or is in New York for the week. I have found I still get the service with the extra benefits even with a first time visit with a new provider. I guess the girls do talk and share info on us "Johns".[/QUOTE]That's the thing man find out what works for you and stick with it, it's all about enjoying yourself and leaving your provider a little happier than you found her it's a win win for both of you and makes repeat visits more pleasurable.
I've been wondering about this for a while. I've not been a fan of the AMPs because of the fact that you apparently have to negotiate at the flip. This would be a real mood killer for me. I like to put my money down, then the rest of the session have a fantasy that they are into me. Is there thrill in trying to get additional services from young (or not so young) ladies for a cheap (or reasonable) price? Nothing about that sounds like a good time. Am I missing something?
[QUOTE=Ronnor;2710477]I've been wondering about this for a while. I've not been a fan of the AMPs because of the fact that you apparently have to negotiate at the flip. This would be a real mood killer for me. I like to put my money down, then the rest of the session have a fantasy that they are into me. Is there thrill in trying to get additional services from young (or not so young) ladies for a cheap (or reasonable) price? Nothing about that sounds like a good time. Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]The couple of times I visited Westgate, there was never a negotiation. The last 2 out of 3 times at Emily, same thing.
Same here. It's been several months since I've visited Wesgate, but I would recommend for a really good massage, which is really important to me, and a pretty good negotiation-free HE.
[QUOTE=GeniePants;2710815]The couple of times I visited Westgate, there was never a negotiation. The last 2 out of 3 times at Emily, same thing.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ronnor;2710477]I've been wondering about this for a while. I've not been a fan of the AMPs because of the fact that you apparently have to negotiate at the flip. This would be a real mood killer for me. I like to put my money down, then the rest of the session have a fantasy that they are into me. Is there thrill in trying to get additional services from young (or not so young) ladies for a cheap (or reasonable) price? Nothing about that sounds like a good time. Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]I'm still new to this, but I have never had to negotiate.
[QUOTE=Ronnor;2710477]I've been wondering about this for a while. I've not been a fan of the AMPs because of the fact that you apparently have to negotiate at the flip. This would be a real mood killer for me. I like to put mjy money down, then the rest of the session have a fantasy that they are into me. Is there thrill in trying to get additional services from young (or not so young) ladies for a cheap (or reasonable) price? Nothing about that sounds like a good time. Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]As we all know when seeing a BP provider the price is a flat rate the provider sets unless extras are added. The AMP's around here are more complicated because one never knows from month to month who will be coming or going so who knows what service will be offered from one provider to the next, or what she was use to getting as a tip in NJ or wherever. The AMP business around here is new compared to LA or NY there are stores in some of those places that have been in place for years so the service, entry fee and tip is standard knowledge for the customers regardless how many girls may rotate in and out. When a new girl comes in she is informed what the door fee is what a HJ, BJ and FS fees are. The stores here I would classify them as still in the slow lane or Jr. High School they have not graduated to the big league it's almost as if some are a big tease or still in their innocence, VIP was mentioned recently most that have been there know the entry fee and the tip to get what they went for this is because of regardless of the rotation their business is more established. But all the places in Raleigh, Durham, Cary, Garner and so on are standard service which I know everyone is aware of. Standard tip $40 for rub and tug. More than a rub and tug that's where these stores around here are still in their training wheels none are really established mainly because of who owns the store for any period of time or who works in the store for any length of time This effects the service. If you have a girl in one of these stores that was fucking and sucking in NJ and she's the only one in a Cary store now doing it she will not last because it will get out quick and she will take all the customers away from the other girls this has happened at several stores around here. It has to be a team effort ladies LOL. So we are back at square one when you are in the room with someone regardless of the store you have to find out what she offers at what price. It's the nature of what we have to choose from because of the maturity of the business here which obviously effects the maturity of the service offered. We all run across girls that haggle for the HJ tip just to pull off her shirt. Some never mention a tip they just go straight to the pole and let you have access to the goodies. It's the luck of the draw. But given the nature of these places around here its not like we can walk in and lay $120 on the table and know what's coming. It's more like the provider and customer have to size each other up. Do I like him? Man I like her I wonder If she thinks I'm a creep? Wonder what he wants? Wonder what she will do? Wonder if he tips good? Wonder how much a tip would cost for X? Call it negotiating but this is where we are. Now there are a very very few swinging dicks out there that have a girl they are tapping the honey hole that doesn't apply to anything I just said here God bless them. But for most of us it's the old fashion way, try to impress her to undress her.
I would only add a couple of comments. Some of us have better moves than others or have physical assets that help in the process, not me LOL. Also some girls get to like certain regulars, and over time will open up more for them. Some because of the tip others because for whatever reason they just like the guy or trust him. Some won't even give a HJ to some guys while other guys get lots of fun. Other girls talk about their customers all the time and share what they like, so a certain place may have everyone treating you great while certain guys get treated like a bad dog, no treats. This is usually because they give a bad tip, are dirty, or start grabbing the girl like crazy and asking for FS before even saying hello. When you find a place where the girls like each other and have worked together, here or someplace else, your odds improve.
[QUOTE=XHippie;2711048]As we all know when seeing a BP provider the price is a flat rate the provider sets unless extras are added. The AMP's around here are more complicated because one never knows from month to month who will be coming or going so who knows what service will be offered from one provider to the next, or what she was use to getting as a tip in NJ or wherever. The AMP business around here is new compared to LA or NY there are stores in some of those places that have been in place for years so the service, entry fee and tip is standard knowledge for the customers regardless how many girls may rotate in and out. When a new girl comes in she is informed what the door fee is what a HJ, BJ and FS fees are. The stores here I would classify them as still in the slow lane or Jr. High School they have not graduated to the big league it's almost as if some are a big tease or still in their innocence, VIP was mentioned recently most that have been there know the entry fee and the tip to get what they went for this is because of regardless of the rotation their business is more established. But all the places in Raleigh, Durham, Cary, Garner and so on are standard service which I know everyone is aware of. Standard tip $40 for rub and tug. More than a rub and tug that's where these stores around here are still in their training wheels none are really established mainly because of who owns the store for any period of time or who works in the store for any length of time This effects the service. If you have a girl in one of these stores that was fucking and sucking in NJ and she's the only one in a Cary store now doing it she will not last because it will get out quick and she will take all the customers away from the other girls this has happened at several stores around here. It has to be a team effort ladies LOL. So we are back at square one when you are in the room with someone regardless of the store you have to find out what she offers at what price. It's the nature of what we have to choose from because of the maturity of the business here which obviously effects the maturity of the service offered. We all run across girls that haggle for the HJ tip just to pull off her shirt. Some never mention a tip they just go straight to the pole and let you have access to the goodies. It's the luck of the draw. But given the nature of these places around here its not like we can walk in and lay $120 on the table and know what's coming. It's more like the provider and customer have to size each other up. Do I like him? Man I like her I wonder If she thinks I'm a creep? Wonder what he wants? Wonder what she will do? Wonder if he tips good? Wonder how much a tip would cost for X? Call it negotiating but this is where we are. Now there are a very very few swinging dicks out there that have a girl they are tapping the honey hole that doesn't apply to anything I just said here God bless them. But for most of us it's the old fashion way, try to impress her to undress her.[/QUOTE]
Most owners know EXACTLY what's going on. In "general" they do not want the girls "soliciting or negotiating tips" for OBVIOUS reasons. Getting busted. Most if not all girls are NOT even licensed in NC. They just want to operate under the radar. This brings too much attention to the place. They know the girls need to provide a happy ending to guarantee a reasonable tip. This is generally $40. !! In general most guys tip at least $40 for a happy ending. Regretfully some of you guys do NOT tip or give 10-20. As a result they fear they will get stiffed (no pun intended) so they start negotiating. If owners get the drift Many will FIRE her. My best advise tip well in the beginning if you like the gal and plan on returning. That means tip her 50-60 first time if you get a happy ending. They will be glad to see a guy that tips above the norm and will want to have him as a repeat customer. I guarantee you she will NEVER ask for a tip or negotiate. On return visits throw in an extra 10 bucks once in a while. When the word gets out about you all the girls in the store will want you. Conversely, be a cheap Charlie or a jerk they will treat you like the plague. One more thought. Just as we have many AMP options, these girls can work anywhere. Those only after the Big Bucks won't hang around if they can make more money and be close to home (generally NYC), especially if they were FS providers.
[QUOTE=XHippie;2711048]As we all know when seeing a BP provider the price is a flat rate the provider sets unless extras are added. The AMP's around here are more complicated because one never knows from month to month who will be coming or going so who knows what service will be offered from one provider to the next, or what she was use to getting as a tip in NJ or wherever. The AMP business around here is new compared to LA or NY there are stores in some of those places that have been in place for years so the service, entry fee and tip is standard knowledge for the customers regardless how many girls may rotate in and out. When a new girl comes in she is informed what the door fee is what a HJ, BJ and FS fees are. The stores here I would classify them as still in the slow lane or Jr. High School they have not graduated to the big league it's almost as if some are a big tease or still in their innocence, VIP was mentioned recently most that have been there know the entry fee and the tip to get what they went for this is because of regardless of the rotation their business is more established. But all the places in Raleigh, Durham, Cary, Garner and so on are standard service which I know everyone is aware of. Standard tip $40 for rub and tug. More than a rub and tug that's where these stores around here are still in their training wheels none are really established mainly because of who owns the store for any period of time or who works in the store for any length of time This effects the service. If you have a girl in one of these stores that was fucking and sucking in NJ and she's the only one in a Cary store now doing it she will not last because it will get out quick and she will take all the customers away from the other girls this has happened at several stores around here. It has to be a team effort ladies LOL. So we are back at square one when you are in the room with someone regardless of the store you have to find out what she offers at what price. It's the nature of what we have to choose from because of the maturity of the business here which obviously effects the maturity of the service offered. We all run across girls that haggle for the HJ tip just to pull off her shirt. Some never mention a tip they just go straight to the pole and let you have access to the goodies. It's the luck of the draw. But given the nature of these places around here its not like we can walk in and lay $120 on the table and know what's coming. It's more like the provider and customer have to size each other up. Do I like him? Man I like her I wonder If she thinks I'm a creep? Wonder what he wants? Wonder what she will do? Wonder if he tips good? Wonder how much a tip would cost for X? Call it negotiating but this is where we are. Now there are a very very few swinging dicks out there that have a girl they are tapping the honey hole that doesn't apply to anything I just said here God bless them. But for most of us it's the old fashion way, try to impress her to undress her.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jimjim77;2711240]I would only add a couple of comments. Some of us have better moves than others or have physical assets that help in the process, not me LOL. Also some girls get to like certain regulars, and over time will open up more for them. Some because of the tip others because for whatever reason they just like the guy or trust him. Some won't even give a HJ to some guys while other guys get lots of fun. Other girls talk about their customers all the time and share what they like, so a certain place may have everyone treating you great while certain guys get treated like a bad dog, no treats. This is usually because they give a bad tip, are dirty, or start grabbing the girl like crazy and asking for FS before even saying hello. When you find a place where the girls like each other and have worked together, here or someplace else, your odds improve.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=XHippie;2709559]My comments here about VIP is nothing new on the board their service is widely known. Your first sentence said it all it was your first trip there. You don't have to speak Chinese or Korean and they don't have to speak English at these places for your trip to be successful but you do need to understand the script depending on the place. First of all VIP is not famous for their massage's don't expect much sometimes the shower can be extremely sqeeky clean. And depending on your agenda don't expect to be there a full one hour unless you want to impress or wear her ass out literally. Now to the flip script if you want a HJ and she motions for one smile and gently pull her toward you or no matter what she motions if you want that honey hole you point or touch the part you want. Remember at this point of the visit she wants to know what you want and she shouldn't be the one offering, depending on her english skills you should be the one making the request with gestures not verbal jabbering she understands a point at the pussy 100% now you have to produce the tip amount and cover (they probably provide the cover if my memory serves me) when she shrugged her shoulders, she was waiting for you to point at that pussy and hold up fingers that indicated how much $ you were going to tip her. It is not as much as a rookie mistake as it is not knowing the script in these places. I've been in other Korean places that are similar to VIP and the girl did not know one word of English but she new exactly what my hand gestures meant. Every game has its rules if you want to play learn the rules. This is a great board to learn from. I will say VIP has had a business model that has worked for them for a long time I would be real surprised if they offered lesser services it's always been a full menu unless you give the girl a bad vibe. The only issue I've ever heard about them having is some post were made about them denying entry to the spa to guys because they probably looked like LE and some felt it was due to their race. Learning the script makes the game /visit a lot easier for you and her.[/QUOTE]Spot on about VIP. It's been eons since I've been there (distance and price became restrictive after the Chinese opened up); however, FS is definitely on the menu. You will be expected to have to negotiate $120-140 for FS. Once you are known and are an FS customer they do not negotiate and you can either lay out your tip ahead of time or pay after session. AS Xhippie said, if they have bad vibes about you may not make it past the door or if you do it's massagi ONLY. They have been successful with their business model and do not desire to change. Yes, If you a black guy in "thug" gear you won't get in. If you look like a biker "maggot" you won't get in. If you look like your under 12 it's AMF to you! BTW "cute Mamasan (kim) and Hannah are now in their late 50's. Damn those Asians age well.
I dreamed I drove almost three hours to Raleigh for some business and popped in on the NC forum to see what's good. I had read up on VIP and decided to give it a go. Mamasan met me at the door through her little window and told me to come back in 20 minutes. I knew what was up. 20 minutes late I returned and was welcomed and taken by the hand by mamasan to the room. She asked if I wanted a shower, to which I replied yes. Mamasan gave me a good scrubbing down. She was very thorough, and I had no doubts of what to expect. This place reminded me of the 777 Spa in Biloxi, MS. After the shower I was escorted back to the room and mamasan called for a girl to come greet me. The girl came in dressed pretty sexy. She was young. Under 30 I guessed, but had some meat on her. It wasn't enough to detract from her attractiveness, and her legs were great. Her bosom was at least a see cup. I dreamt that she started by massaging me and asked if it was my first time. I told her it was, and tried to keep the conversation going, but she wasn't up for much talking. Her name was Sarah, and she didn't seem too happy. On the flip she motioned for a HJ and I shook my head and pointed to her pleasure place. She then motioned for a BJ, to which I insisted and told her $. 2. She then got a wrapped piece of candy and motioned it at me. After being stupid for several seconds I realized she was asking if I brought a wrapper. I jumped up and got it as well as the tip. She said she had to wash it and would be back. After returning she stripped down and gave me a nice CBJ with some tit rubbing. Then she hopped on. CG and Mish to completion. She seemed to genuinely enjoy it. Afterwards, she told me "Next time $140 on table so I know". It's too far away to repeat often, but hey. I can dream it every night.
[QUOTE=Jim3142;2713542]I dreamed I drove almost three hours to Raleigh for some business and popped in on the NC forum to see what's good. I had read up on VIP and decided to give it a go. Mamasan met me at the door through her little window and told me to come back in 20 minutes. I knew what was up. 20 minutes late I returned and was welcomed and taken by the hand by mamasan to the room. She asked if I wanted a shower, to which I replied yes. Mamasan gave me a good scrubbing down. She was very thorough, and I had no doubts of what to expect. This place reminded me of the 777 Spa in Biloxi, MS. After the shower I was escorted back to the room and mamasan called for a girl to come greet me. The girl came in dressed pretty sexy. She was young. Under 30 I guessed, but had some meat on her. It wasn't enough to detract from her attractiveness, and her legs were great. Her bosom was at least a see cup. I dreamt that she started by massaging me and asked if it was my first time. I told her it was, and tried to keep the conversation going, but she wasn't up for much talking. Her name was Sarah, and she didn't seem too happy. On the flip she motioned for a HJ and I shook my head and pointed to her pleasure place. She then motioned for a BJ, to which I insisted and told her $. 2. She then got a wrapped piece of candy and motioned it at me. After being stupid for several seconds I realized she was asking if I brought a wrapper. I jumped up and got it as well as the tip. She said she had to wash it and would be back. After returning she stripped down and gave me a nice CBJ with some tit rubbing. Then she hopped on. CG and Mish to completion. She seemed to genuinely enjoy it. Afterwards, she told me "Next time $140 on table so I know". It's too far away to repeat often, but hey. I can dream it every night.[/QUOTE]When I first saw Jim3142 I thought I was on the Roanoke forum and not the Raleigh forum, LOL. Glad you had a good visit at VIP and it appears you played your hand well for being a first time customer there and had an excellent dream. I wonder if she wasn't happy at first when she found out you was a first time customer? Sometimes girls shy away from offering dreams when you're new. I have heard that when VIP closes for the Christmas holiday that Sarah might not return. She sounds to be what they have been lacking in girls and hopefully she will decide to stay a little longer. Safe travels when you return back to Virginia.
Anyone visit 49 yesterday or today?
[QUOTE=Purple45;2714508]When I first saw Jim3142 I thought I was on the Roanoke forum and not the Raleigh forum, LOL. Glad you had a good visit at VIP and it appears you played your hand well for being a first time customer there and had an excellent dream. I wonder if she wasn't happy at first when she found out you was a first time customer? Sometimes girls shy away from offering dreams when you're new. I have heard that when VIP closes for the Christmas holiday that Sarah might not return. She sounds to be what they have been lacking in girls and hopefully she will decide to stay a little longer. Safe travels when you return back to Virginia.[/QUOTE]As far as I can tell, you haven't posted on the Roanoke forum. Also, I don't recall a review from you regarding the VIP, which leads me to: How would you know about Sarah possibly not returning? Do all salon owners talk amongst themselves?
[QUOTE=Ronnor;2714732]As far as I can tell, you haven't posted on the Roanoke forum. Also, I don't recall a review from you regarding the VIP, which leads me to: How would you know about Sarah possibly not returning? Do all salon owners talk amongst themselves?[/QUOTE]For a SM with 300+ posts I find it odd that you can't search my posts and read the ones I've posted in Roanoke. You probably didn't even look but I challenge you too and it might surprise you what you will find if you look.
As for VIP I have commented in a post or two and done a review on Rubmaps. Again, take a look since you are curious. Also, I utilize PM's and both share and receive information on the happenings in the area.
"As far as I can tell" and "I don't recall" doesn't hold up once you've done your research.
[QUOTE=Purple45;2714508]When I first saw Jim3142 I thought I was on the Roanoke forum and not the Raleigh forum, LOL. Glad you had a good visit at VIP and it appears you played your hand well for being a first time customer there and had an excellent dream. I wonder if she wasn't happy at first when she found out you was a first time customer? Sometimes girls shy away from offering dreams when you're new. I have heard that when VIP closes for the Christmas holiday that Sarah might not return. She sounds to be what they have been lacking in girls and hopefully she will decide to stay a little longer. Safe travels when you return back to Virginia.[/QUOTE]I wish we had something like this back in VA around Roanoke. I'm curious how many other girls they have there and how they look.