Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Chase Star] BBBJ's any way. As I said before the risk of getting HIV from RECEIVING a BBBJ is so rare (no documented cases at all in the entire history of the virus) that it is ESSENTIALLY non-existent.[/QUOTE]Why are you so sure that there are no documented cases?

Here's a source that doesn't agree with you.

"Are there any individual documented cases of HIV transmission during oral sex?

While it is very difficult to ever know how HIV transmission occurred, according to a factsheet on oral sex produced by the CDC in 20005, there have been a few documented cases of transmission during oral sex. These have occurred in both receptive and active partners during fellatio, cunnilingus and anilingus."

[url]http://www.avert.org/oral-sex.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Bushluver]Why are you so sure that there are no documented cases?

Here's a source that doesn't agree with you.

"Are there any individual documented cases of HIV transmission during oral sex?

While it is very difficult to ever know how HIV transmission occurred, according to a factsheet on oral sex produced by the CDC in 20005, there have been a few documented cases of transmission during oral sex. These have occurred in both receptive and active partners during fellatio, cunnilingus and anilingus."

[url]http://www.avert.org/oral-sex.htm[/url][/QUOTE]

OK, so a handful of people got it. Those are what can best be described as "plane crash odds". In other words, it'd be spectacularly awful if it happened, but I'll take my chances with something that probably has a risk factor of 0.0015% (which happens to roughly be the lifetime odds of an American dying in a plane crash). At that level of risk, eating a bad diet is far, far, far more likely to kill you.

However, if you really want to wrap it up to avoid the microscopically tiny risk of a BBBJ, I can't fault you. As I've said many times, it's your life, and you choose the level of risk you're comfortable with. I'll stick to enjoying the bare sensations of a warm, wet mouth on my cock and watching her swallow the gravy. :)

And now we should probably get back to discussing K-girls before Jackson yells at us all for getting off-topic.

[QUOTE=Bushluver]Why are you so sure that there are no documented cases?

Here's a source that doesn't agree with you.

"Are there any individual documented cases of HIV transmission during oral sex?

While it is very difficult to ever know how HIV transmission occurred, according to a factsheet on oral sex produced by the CDC in 2005, there have been a few documented cases of transmission during oral sex. These have occurred in both receptive and active partners during fellatio, cunnilingus and anilingus."

[url]http://www.avert.org/oral-sex.htm[/url][/QUOTE]Actually, if you re-read that quote, it still doesn't specifically confirm that there have been any documented cases of transmission of HIV to the guy having his dick sucked. It does say that of the FEW documented cases of transmission during ALL TYPES of oral sex that includes transmission to both the receptive and active partners. However, it doesn't say WHICH of the types of oral sex have had cases of transmission in either direction. Since there have only been a FEW documented cases of transmission of HIV from oral sex of any form AND because (in the case of fellatio) the risk to the partner doing the fellating (sometimes referred to as the receptive partner) is so much greater (though still very slim) than the risk to the fellatee (or insertive partner), the way your quote is written the number of documented cases of transmission to partner being blown could easily be as few as ONE ... OR EVEN NONE AT ALL, as I maintain, if it came from one of the other forms of oral sex. So your quote does NOT really necessarily contradict at all what I've read elsewhere, that there is NO DOCUMENTED risk of HIV transmission to the guy having his dick sucked, only a much much smaller THEORETICAL risk,.

Here is another report that I was able to find with just a quick Google search, that further clarifies what has been documented:
[quote]There have been a number of studies that have closely followed MSM and heterosexual couples, in which one partner was HIV positive and the other partner was HIV negative. In all of the studies, couples that used condoms consistently and correctly during every experience of vaginal or anal sex—but didn't use condoms during oral sex—did not see HIV spread from the HIV positive partner to the HIV negative partner.

There have been three case reports and a few studies suggesting that some people have been infected with HIV as a result of unprotected oral sex. However, these case reports and studies all involved MSM—men who were the receptive partners (the person doing the "sucking") during unprotected oral sex with another HIV-positive man. There haven't been any case reports or studies documenting HIV infection among female receptive partners during unprotected oral sex. [b]Even more importantly, there hasn't been a single documented case of HIV transmission to an insertive partner (the person being "sucked") during unprotected oral sex, either among MSM or heterosexuals.

Is insertive oral sex a possible route of HIV transmission? Yes. But is it a documented risk? Absolutely not.[/b][/quote] source: [url]http://www.aidsmeds.com/articles/Transmission_9963.shtml[/url]

Even the source that YOU provided describes these 2 interesting studies if you had read it further:[quote]A programme in San Francisco studied 198 people, nearly all gay or bisexual men. The subjects stated that they had only had oral sex for a year, from six months preceding the six-month study to its end. 20 per cent of the study participants (39 people) reported performing oral sex on partners they knew to be HIV positive. 35 of those did not use a condom and 16 reported swallowing semen. [b]No one became HIV positive during the study[/b] ... In June 2002, a study conducted amongst 135 HIV negative Spanish heterosexuals, who were in a sexual relationship with a person who was HIV positive, reported that [b]over 19,000 instances of unprotected oral sex had not led to any cases of HIV transmission[/b].[/quote]These studies included what most of us would consider much higher risk populations either gay men having unprotected oral sex or heterosexuals having unprotected oral sex with partners KNOWN to be already infected and yet not even any of the persons PROVIDING the BJ's contracted the virus.

Your article goes on to conclude "At the 4th International Oral AIDS Conference held in South Africa, the risk of transmission through oral sex was estimated to be approximately 0.04 per cent per contact." And that .04% includes the much higher risk to the persons providing BJ's, DATY's or DATO's so the theoretical risk of transmission through fellatio to the guy having his dick sucked is at the very least substantially less than even that low rate.

Besides, as TM has already pointed out, even IF there HAVE been a 1-2 documented cases of a guy getting HIV from being blown, that number is so tiny and insignificant out of the millions of BBBJ's that are given every year that it might just as well be considered non-existent. This is not to say that one should be entirely unconcerned about getting BBBJ's. As both TM and I have pointed out, each person has their own level of risk tolerance and comfort. But if you add to that the fact that HIV is now considered a condition (albeit one I certainly wouldn't want to get) rather than an automatic death sentence (like being in a plane crash) AND the fact that other STD's (in particular Herpes which, while perhaps not as undesirable as HIV, also happens to be incurable) are MUCH MUCH more likely to be contracted from receiving a BBBJ (though still not so great that it would stop MOST of us from getting one), it seems to me if you're going to worry about anything it makes far more sense to worry about getting one of those other STD's rather than the really really remote possibility that you'll become the 1st ever documented case of a guy getting HIV from a BBBJ.

[url]http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/thp/1888732918.html[/url]
[url]http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/thp/1892877686.html[/url]

After TOFTT all that needs to be said is to avoid this one.

[QUOTE=Chase Star]....Contracting other STD's ......These same guys have also performed similar numbers of DATY's and I know of only 1 case of a guy who might have caught a treatable throat infection from it. Of course it never hurts to avoid pussies (or mouths) that look and/or smell questionable and also refrain from any DATY when you have and cuts or sores in your own mouth.[/QUOTE]
Due to my experiences, you now know 2 more cases of STD's from DATY.

I really, really love DATY so I knowingly took the risk. The ladies in question are really good people. They did not knowingly give me their STDs. So I will not name them or their AMPS either here or by PM. DO NOT ask me for further information.

I will say
*Both providers are exceptionally clean.
*Both providers have excellent reviews on the St. Petersburg Massage Parlor board.
*Both providers are in very high demand and are very popular.
*Both providers are unquestionably THE girl to see at their AMP.
*Both AMPs would rank in anyone's list of top 5 Asian MPs in St Petersburg.

Since I always use a cover for everything, my doctor confirmed that in both cases the cause for my throat infections (turned out to be Chlamydia and Gonorrhea) had to be DATY. Both infections started less than a week after the DATY. The Chlamydia occurred about a year ago and went away in several weeks after antibiotics. I shrugged it off as a blip on the radar and resumed my "dirty dining". My more recent bout with the big G took a longer time to cure and was very painful. After a frank talk with my doctor who is younger, a single guy and very cool, I decided to give up DATY.

Think about it. Both girls are high volume and both love receiving DATY. I may have been the 12th diner licking the plate that day. Due to the volume, there simply isn't time for them to shower, wipe down with alcohol etc. Not that it would eliminate STDs, but it might help clean some of the germs and bacteria away and reduce the chance of catching something. My doctor said I ended up sharing something left by an earlier monger down at the Y. He also said Chlamydia was reasonably common and Gonorrhea was somewhat rare from DATY. He agreed no recorded HIV cases from DATY.

From reading here, I gather that BBFS is available to certain customers from one of the ladies which I would think would also increase the risk of catching an STD. I would think DATY daily volume also enters into it. Perhaps a low volume escort would present a much lower risk.

Stay Safe.

Guys, I'm telling you, Jackson is going to put the kibosh on this discussion pretty soon and tell us to get back to discussing pay-for-play at massage parlors. I strongly suggest we do exactly that.

You know how he hates safe sex discussions (except in the appropriate thread), though I'm guilty as charged for starting this one.

Patricia M. advertises a "45$ Full Body Massage by Friendly Female LMT" at Busch and 42nd Street. I saw her and got a strictly legit massage. It was very good but no extras offered. She rents workspace from Liz of Serenity who is rabidly anti-sensual. Oh well, at least it was inexpensive and didn't take place in Zephyrhills.

Katz just an FYI. If you see an ad for a LMT that means Licensed Masseuse Therapist. This is a person who went to school to learn how to give an actual massage, not a rubdown before getting to extras. Real LMT don't give extras, they give massages. They also don't hassled by police.

[QUOTE=Friday Katz]Patricia M. advertises a "45$ Full Body Massage by Friendly Female LMT" at Busch and 42nd Street. I saw her and got a strictly legit massage. It was very good but no extras offered. She rents workspace from Liz of Serenity who is rabidly anti-sensual. Oh well, at least it was inexpensive and didn't take place in Zephyrhills.[/QUOTE]

\I have visited her several times for a massage. It's the best value out there for a very good therapeutic massage ($45). However as stated I don't believe xtras are to be had.

Hey Friday, if you are satisfied with an exellent straight massage (with draping) by a super therapist, I have found a Spa in Riverview, on US-301 and Big Bend Rd for $25.00

That's right, one hour for $25, and it is super. I go there every two weeks between my "sensual" ($100) massages to see "Maria" for an absolute heavenly treatment.

The draping kind of bothers me but the price and the quality of the massage makes up for it. As far as I can assertein, no extras are available at any cost. Bill Ho


[QUOTE=Friday Katz]Patricia M. advertises a "45$ Full Body Massage by Friendly Female LMT" at Busch and 42nd Street. I saw her and got a strictly legit massage. It was very good but no extras offered. She rents workspace from Liz of Serenity who is rabidly anti-sensual. Oh well, at least it was inexpensive and didn't take place in Zephyrhills.[/QUOTE]

Big Monger, you need to loosen up. I am seeing three LMT for an excellent therapeutic massage with BBBJ HE. Yes Virginia, there is such a thing.

Bill Ho


[QUOTE=Big Monger 22]Katz just an FYI. If you see an ad for a LMT that means Licensed Masseuse Therapist. This is a person who went to school to learn how to give an actual massage, not a rubdown before getting to extras. Real LMT don't give extras, they give massages. They also don't hassled by police.[/QUOTE]

Bill Ho is correct. I've seen LMTs that have provided excellent extras (no FS . . . yet) and, as Big Monger 22 pointed out, the vast majority of LMTs don't. However, exploring for the ones that do is part of the fun of the hunt.

So, I was in town, had plans with another lady that fell through. No back-up plan, so I decided to splurge.

Returned to Yoshiko. Haven't been there in forever. I'm not from Tampa area and their price point is generally too high. Besides, I knew they had some trouble a while back, so wasn't sure what to expect. Decided to take the chance.

Greeted by a very hot young lady. Jay by name and easily an 8 on the AMP scale. Usual cover for one hour. $80. She gave me a thorough and playful TS which I enjoyed. Back to room and pretty good massage. Maybe a 6 on the AMP scale.

Relatively soon, she asked if I was happy. I told her what I might enjoy and she said it would cost more. Yoshiko more, that is. Still a bit of sticker shock, but she was so darn cute. Didn't take much longer after that (embarrassingly enough) and I was out the door. Only about 45 mintues total.

Jay is very pretty and quiet, but she has a wicked grin. Yoshiko always seems to cost a lot, but at least their ladies are great to look at and know what it takes to make a happy customer.

[QUOTE=Friday Katz]Bill Ho is correct. I've seen LMTs that have provided excellent extras (no FS . . . yet) and, as Big Monger 22 pointed out, the vast majority of LMTs don't. However, exploring for the ones that do is part of the fun of the hunt.[/QUOTE]

And, to keep them from getting hassled by the police they shouldn't be discussed in the open.

Guys,

Went by Serenity Spa and they are currently closed. There is a sign there that says "CLOSED, NEW OWNER, WILL RE-OPEN SEPT 1".

Just wanted to make everyone aware. Being that they have a new owner now, their offering of "almost no menu at all" may change. Maybe the menu will change, one can only hope.