[QUOTE=ShavedKitties;7481926]Has it been confirmed that they got busted and that LE is involved? All I know for sure is that they are not operational.[/QUOTE]Anecdotal only, from postings here.
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[QUOTE=ShavedKitties;7481926]Has it been confirmed that they got busted and that LE is involved? All I know for sure is that they are not operational.[/QUOTE]Anecdotal only, from postings here.
[QUOTE=ShavedKitties;7481926]Has it been confirmed that they got busted and that LE is involved? All I know for sure is that they are not operational.[/QUOTE]Nobody on this board has provided compelling, publicly available information regarding Uncle LEO and AsianPink. Its IP address can't be found, and the booker can't be reached.
In previous LE takedowns, the websites were replaced relatively quickly with a message indicating that the domain had been seized by federal and local agencies, as well as a message about prostitution and trafficking.
[QUOTE=Jwthdytiak;7477247]They did fuck that up though because they accidentally recorded audio for some of the stings, where it's required to have two party consent here. So around 68 (I forget the exact number) people got their cases dismissed because one lawyer had pointed that out in one case. But they still impounded cars, and the like, which is hard to explain if say you're using your employer's car to visit.
[/QUOTE]Although WA State requires consent from both parties for audio recordings, this applies only to places where one has a reasonable expectation of privacy. The restaurant where The League met doesn't fit that description. Further, when it comes to two-party consent, there are carveouts for LE. If (your) consent or knowledge of the recording jeopardizes an investigation, LE [I]may[/I] record you without asking. If improperly acquired evidence is ruled inadmissible, the district attorney can still rely on sworn testimony from the undercover officers.
Finally, Jw's observation about impounds and personal property is noteworthy: getting arrested and having your vehicle impounded is not for the faint of heart. Super expensive, super stressful. And that's if you're NOT convicted.
[QUOTE=ShavedKitties;7481926]Has it been confirmed that they got busted and that LE is involved? All I know for sure is that they are not operational.[/QUOTE]I've seen nothing official. Bellevue and KC arrest records didn't show anything last time I looked.
I appreciate all responces. I can provide only technical knoweldge, not the legal advices. This article explains very well what happened last time:
[URL]https://projects.seattletimes.com/2017/eastside-prostitution-bust/[/URL]
Police did have already a lot DL of clients, not leaders but they prefered to run sting operation to capture clients. AP database is a good source of information but it's untrusted database with many fake I'd. How they can prove that it was you who sent DL and visited girls? Maybe someone has stolen your DL and sent it to AP? Maybe you're completely innocent and someone is just using your I'd.
That's why telecom logs so imporant for them. They will analyze logs and will try to link your identity to DL and phone number. There are few options for you. Depends on how you communicated with AP:
1. Real phone and your real DL.
If you have sent DL and text messages from your real phone then it's a very strong techical evidence againts you. You definetely need to contact professional attorney.
2. Burner, protonmail and etc.
They still can link burner to your real name. But it's pretty weak case. If you use protonmail with expiration then it's almost impossible to prove that it was you.
It's not a legal advice. Just one option for your defense. You might consider this or you might not: You're completely innoccent, you never sent any DL to AP, you never visited them. Someone took your DL and faked your identity.
I understand that police might be very aggressive, they might talk about cameras, IP and etc. But if you're not captured on the sting operation then police must prove that it was you.
We now leave in the time when AI can fake everything including photos, DL. Personally, I don't see any reason why I should admitt that I was AP customer. Someone just stoled my Dl.
[QUOTE=Mrnobody3455;7482126]I appreciate all responces. I can provide only technical knoweldge, not the legal advices.[/QUOTE]Your insistence on having the last word with some extremely shaky "insight" is irritating. Nobody knows anythin— what actually is going on, if authorities are involved, and if so, what they have. Best is to wait and see and lawyer up if something happens. Just drop it.
Honestly, barring an actual attorney chiming in (doubtful any of you would out yourself as one on this forum), I think we've said all there is to say at this point and it's probably best to just let it go until something new pops up. I haven't seen anything official that anyone was busted nor seen any actual evidence of that. All we know for sure is that the site is down, unless anyone has tried to contact the booker?
It's a concern for anyone who has been there, of course, but it's too late to do anything differently. The only thing to do now is make sure you pay more attention to what you say, get a good burner, and if approached by anyone in an official capacity invoke your rights under the 5th and put a fucking sock in it.
[QUOTE=HapaBoy86;7474037]Google - "the league bellvue" get your answers.[/QUOTE]If I remember correctly, what tripped those guys up was they were using work computers to make connections and correspondence. Am employer did a standard check of company equipment and then reached out to LE. I don't think it was LE who was on to them.
That's a good article which shows how police investigate busted agencies:
[URL]https://www.boston25news.com/news/local/cambridge-city-councilor-paul-toner-got-touch-with-brothel-phone-432-times-police-report-says/ST6H4SMMWJA4JL53KHKV7WMSWQ/[/URL]
1. They identified agency number and executed search.
"The texts are among 432 communications made between Toner's cell phone and a phone used to run the brothel network. Investigators uncovered the texts after executing a federal search warrant of the "brothel phone," Detective xx wrote in his report. "
2. They identified owners of the phones.
"Texts between a phone registered to Cambridge City Councilor."
If you used your real phone number then I would highly encourage to contact attorney while you have time. You can use this time to prepare.
If you used burner or something similar, then cross your fingers. They will know your identity, but will they consider it as strong evidence? I have no idea.
From my personal perspective, it's better to use this time for preparation rather than waiting. Police is actively working on us. It's better to use this time efficiently.
[QUOTE=Colnago;7482874]If I remember correctly, what tripped those guys up was they were using work computers to make connections and correspondence. Am employer did a standard check of company equipment and then reached out to LE. I don't think it was LE who was on to them.[/QUOTE]If that's true that's the dumbest thing ever. Your employer can see everything you do on a work computer.
[QUOTE=Colnago;7482874]If I remember correctly, what tripped those guys up was they were using work computers to make connections and correspondence. Am employer did a standard check of company equipment and then reached out to LE. I don't think it was LE who was on to them.[/QUOTE]Individual situations varied, but in all cases it appeared the fundamental break was being able to definitively connect email communication and associated online and in-person activity with a real human. An illustrative example is how the FBI caught the Silk Road founder.
The only real things illustrative from the League stuff are: a) don't associate with people doing unlawful shit, b) never leave a trail to your door, and c) you don't have to be convicted to have your life ruined.
I agree that what's done is done and all you can do is what I and (some) others have noted previously. Please. Please - ignore anyone offering specific, highly flawed "technical" legal defense advice.
Honestly this whole AP thing is making me pretty paranoid. I'm still pretty rookie when it came to this stuff. Any suggestions on an attorney if SHTF would be highly appreciated.
[QUOTE=PPeterson1;7486704]Honestly this whole AP thing is making me pretty paranoid. I'm still pretty rookie when it came to this stuff. Any suggestions on an attorney if SHTF would be highly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Speaking as someone who has flown too close to the flames, as it were, multiple times I won't go with agencies anymore under any circumstances.
They are all too reckless with our personal information even if they aren't directly passing it along to others as part of their normal business operations -- which they often are.
At least one well-known and popular agency in the Seattle area was passing all of their customer info to LE, and was doing so for years. AFAIK nobody was ever busted for it but that information is still there in their files. And the only reason it is still there is to use it against you if they find a reason to do so. Or even just to fuck with you.
[QUOTE=PPeterson1;7486704]Any suggestions on an attorney if SHTF would be highly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Are you paranoid because you worry, or because you know your privacy hygiene was. Imperfect?
Nobody should get an attorney for something that hasn't even been verified to have occurred. A criminal attorney is going to want a 10 K retainer out of the gate for a dirty little crime done by a reasonably wealthy white-collar client. And while everyone has a right to consult with an attorney, LE will smell blood in the water if a white-collar guy with no priors or active investigations suddenly consults a criminal attorney.
IF TSHTF, any criminal attorney will do as the arguments they use are well-tested. The key, as noted, is not to say anything to anyone without first talking to an attorney and having one present in all discussions.
In the words of Douglas Adams: DON'T PANIC.
[QUOTE=WillShookup;7487436]LE will smell blood in the water if a white-collar guy with no priors or active investigations suddenly consults a criminal attorney.[/QUOTE]This makes zero sense. LEO isn't watching attorney's offices for 'new clients'. As paranoid about the surveillance state as I am, it's not that bad yet. If anyone feels the need to consult with an attorney they should.
[QUOTE=MorganCreamin;7487462]This makes zero sense. LEO isn't watching attorney's offices for 'new clients'. As paranoid about the surveillance state as I am, it's not that bad yet. If anyone feels the need to consult with an attorney they should.[/QUOTE]You don't understand how this works. I never said anyone was going to watch anything.
They will easily get a warrant for his financial records and see the payment to a criminal attorney. Likely along with ATM withdrawals that oddly coincides with booking dates / times.
Sure, someone can go ahead and drop 10 K on something that hasn't even happened, to strategize a defense strategy for a crime that hasn't been charged.
That's what makes no sense.