"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=ShoreDog;4459210]And what do you do when you get to the meet and greet and they recognize your face? Using new numbers and fake pic only gets you meet and greets with girls who know you and don't want to do business with you. It's a waste of time and money for everyone. If you use your own pic, then you know you're going to meet up with girls who don't know who you are and it saves everyone a lot of time and trouble.[/QUOTE]4 years in and it hasn't happened once. Shit, I've met with some SB's that I ghosted on previously because I was too busy with others and they didn't know me. My point is that you're giving them too much credit. This game is easy and becomes easier once you are face to face with them. It's the computer and texting BS that makes this a headache at times.

The recent posts on the sharing habits of SBs has me thinking increasingly about the best way to part ways when the time is right. Both the SD and SB typically enter into these arrangements as sort of a shortcut to dating, and a more hassle-free version of traditional dating where hes getting sex and in return providing financial stability (or at least that seems to be the motive of most of the types I've been with).

The problem I've found is that over some period of time, the consistent financial stability results in a "comfort zone" effect that provides diminishing returns to the SD. The first 2-3 dates, she shows up looking as hot as she possibly can. Soon after, the amount of effort she is exerting to impress me seems to decrease. This might be changes with her clothes or makeup, or she starts showing up later and later for our meetings, or I generally get the feeling she is less appreciative. Sometimes the quality of sex is maintained on her part, but other circumstances seem to change such that I feel like I'm no longer getting the same return what I originally signed up to provide for. Sometimes they become increasingly high maintenance in terms of their behavior, mostly in the form of emotional neediness.

In a real relationship, we might look for ways to fix things like that, but this is sugaring where the goal is simplicity and convenience. And since I'm providing financial support, I do not care to invest lots of time like I would in a relationship.

I've never had an SB end it with me -- it always has to be me. But I'd also like to do it in the most fair way possible. It can be hard because many of them start behaving like a jilted girlfriend if I tell them the truth, that an arrangement has a shorter life cycle than a long term relationship and that our arrangement has simply run its course. So I find myself trying to come up with clever situations or reasons, avoiding using the exact same excuse twice because I never know which one of them is sharing info with the other.

So. How do you guys do it?

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4459442]Finally, of course, is Daddy. An enormous percentage, maybe all, of these girls have daddy issues. I don't want to act like THEIR daddy, of course. The incest angle creeps me out.[/QUOTE]Lots of good points in your post. I do think, however, that there is tendency to conjoin baby / daddy play with incest, when incest really has nothing to do with it in most cases. I am disgusted by the thought of sex with an actual biological relative, however I love being daddy to a girl who craves or needs it (and as you pointed out, so many of them do).

I've learned a great deal about what makes these girls tick, and my observation around girls who want baby / daddy play do not have incest fantasies at all. What they do want (because most of them have never had it) is the conditions that occur when an authority figure, who they see (or want to see) as a hero, shows them genuine adoration (or in some cases love) in return. By that I they want someone who is firm and strong, but always caring for them, looking out for them, and steering them through the right path in life. Some of them, when they say they want to be spoiled, they really mean "rewarded for being a good girl". They don't just want to be handed cash, they want to feel like they are being rewarded for making daddy proud.

I agree it is a bit of a weird dynamic, and different girls have different motives for sugaring, but I've found the father-figure replacement thing is at the core of so many of these situations. Really understanding their intrinsic needs beyond the superficial allowance-motive that brought them to the site in the first place can lead to some really good pussy without tremendous cash outlay.

[QUOTE=Sterling44;4459021]Go back and read this forum. This topic has been talked about time and time again. They have their own forum. They might talk about it at school and in social groups but there's an actual Forum that goes back a long time.[/QUOTE]Never hurts to build rapport with senior members.

The Reddit SugarLifestyleForum is a great resource to learn how the mind of a SB works.

Routinely, new SBs arrive at that forum with questions like: My new SD and I had sex all week, but now he isn't answering texts and hasn't paid me my allowance. What should I do?

Some of the SBs over there have private forums in which they discuss SDs in local areas.

Most of the seasoned SBs claim to make $5,000-10,000 per month, which really fucks with the new SB's minds because they can't figure out why they aren't getting that much.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4459442]I recently had my one year anniversary on SA. I've been meaning to post on here for awhile, so thought I would take this opportunity to share some observations and stories. First, the two most important things I have learned on SA in a year:

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That was one heck of a birthday gift. And a great write up.

I once slipped cash in a girl's purse after our FC encounter, once she got in the Uber she texted me all pissed off asking why I didn't give her any gift. I told her to check her purse. After that, I always slip the cash in their hands.

[QUOTE=Truncated;4460562]The Reddit SugarLifestyleForum is a great resource to learn how the mind of a SB works.

Routinely, new SBs arrive at that forum with questions like: My new SD and I had sex all week, but now he isn't answering texts and hasn't paid me my allowance. What should I do?

Some of the SBs over there have private forums in which they discuss SDs in local areas.

Most of the seasoned SBs claim to make $5,000-10,000 per month, which really fucks with the new SB's minds because they can't figure out why they aren't getting that much.[/QUOTE]Ya it's pretty amusing. Honestly, it's amazing how many of these girls expect to figure out the money after the fact.

They have private chat's on reddit which is the closest thing to any organized forum.

[QUOTE=Sterling44;4459021]Go back and read this forum. This topic has been talked about time and time again. They have their own forum. They might talk about it at school and in social groups but there's an actual Forum that goes back a long time.[/QUOTE]Link to that forum?

[QUOTE=Tidad;4460810]Link to that forum?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum[/URL]

Try here.

[QUOTE=Tidad;4460810]Link to that forum?[/QUOTE]Sugar Lifestyle Forum.

[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum/[/URL]

That's impressive that you were able to bang them with no $$ discussion. Pretty much every girl I talked to wanted to know upfront how much they are getting paid. Good for you!

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I am married with kids and can rarely go on dates at night. This makes it harder to score the type of girls I really like, but not impossible. My goal is to have an experience as much like a date as possible. If the girls are hot, and don't seem professional, I like to take them to lunch, get a bottle of wine if they are old enough to drink. I love flirting and talking with them. Usually, if I have screened them properly, they are ready to go to hotel afterwards. A lot of them will do this without discussing money, at least not in any explicit way. The best experience for me is when I can bang them without any discussion of price or services, then just slip the cash in their purse afterward. It never ceases to amaze me how many of them will do that. With practice, I have gotten a lot better at screening for what I want.

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[QUOTE=OliverNP;4460193]The recent posts on the sharing habits of SBs has me thinking increasingly about the best way to part ways when the time is right. Both the SD and SB typically enter into these arrangements as sort of a shortcut to dating, and a more hassle-free version of traditional dating where hes getting sex and in return providing financial stability (or at least that seems to be the motive of most of the types I've been with).

So. How do you guys do it?[/QUOTE]You can always go w / financial setbacks. There's really no way to argue, if the SB offers to FC for free, you might reconsider? Even if that info is shared w / other POTs after you break up, there's no way to know if someone might have bounced back.

I once had a 20 YO coed I saw for 5 months, and it got old. Both scheduling problems and too great familiarity reduced my enthusiasm, and she was more pudgy than the spinner body I like. After I expressed reservations about things, she replied "but how do you see the future of our relationship?" well, let's see, I'm married and you're 20, we have no future (I thought, didn't say). I did eventually, after we'd gone some time w / out seeing each other (over a month), text her and formally say we weren't a 'couple. Anymore. Her only reply - 'if that's what you want'.

[QUOTE=LostSoul;4461516]That's impressive that you were able to bang them with no $$ discussion. Pretty much every girl I talked to wanted to know upfront how much they are getting paid. Good for you![/QUOTE]Not every girl will do this, that's for sure. A lot of guys post about how they want "regular" girls and not pros. Of course, it's pretty hard to draw that line in this hobby. But I would say that this is the best way to be sure you are not getting a pro. Almost by definition, girls who will do this are not pros, even if they expect to get money or something of value afterward.

It does mean more work in setting up the meets. But well over have the girls I have closed with did it on this bases and they are consistently the best experiences I have had.

Today I had lunch schedule with a cute 21 year old hapa college girl. Very genuine vibe, just like I like. She flaked on me via text this morning, four hours before we were supposed to meet at noon. This has happened to me so much that I was prepared. I had another girl scheduled for 1:00. I do this a lot because my time is valuable and I get flaked on a lot. Usually, the second girl I schedule is either less attractive, or more pro, so I don't mind if my number 1 shows up, I have to flake on my number 2, and number 2 is pissed at me. I at least give number 2 in that situation the courtesy of text, which girls don't always do for me. I always schedule my higher priority target for the first time slot.

Today was exactly like that. Number 2 was very hot, but gave off a semi pro vibe. Part of that vibe was wanting to know via text what the donation would be. That was OK with me for a backup, and she didn't try to negotiate my initial offer. It was an enjoyable afternoon fucking number 2 and better than going home with blue balls, but not the experience that I am after. On further reflection, I don't think Number 2 was an UTR so much as a cautious SB. Either way, she was a one and done.

So I would say that the key to finding girls who will fuck without discussing price is two-fold:

1. Message more girls. Lots and lots of girls to get to a meet.

2. Have really good game in person once you get them to the meet.

In my experience, you are still going to get flaked on a lot.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4462027]Not every girl will do this, that's for sure. A lot of guys post about how they want "regular" girls and not pros. Of course, it's pretty hard to draw that line in this hobby. But I would say that this is the best way to be sure you are not getting a pro. Almost by definition, girls who will do this are not pros, even if they expect to get money or something of value afterward.

It does mean more work in setting up the meets. But well over have the girls I have closed with did it on this bases and they are consistently the best experiences I have had.

Today I had lunch schedule with a cute 21 year old hapa college girl. Very genuine vibe, just like I like. She flaked on me via text this morning, four hours before we were supposed to meet at noon. This has happened to me so much that I was prepared. I had another girl scheduled for 1:00. I do this a lot because my time is valuable and I get flaked on a lot. Usually, the second girl I schedule is either less attractive, or more pro, so I don't mind if my number 1 shows up, I have to flake on my number 2, and number 2 is pissed at me. I at least give number 2 in that situation the courtesy of text, which girls don't always do for me. I always schedule my higher priority target for the first time slot.

Today was exactly like that. Number 2 was very hot, but gave off a semi pro vibe. Part of that vibe was wanting to know via text what the donation would be. That was OK with me for a backup, and she didn't try to negotiate my initial offer. It was an enjoyable afternoon fucking number 2 and better than going home with blue balls, but not the experience that I am after. On further reflection, I don't think Number 2 was an UTR so much as a cautious SB. Either way, she was a one and done.

So I would say that the key to finding girls who will fuck without discussing price is two-fold:

1. Message more girls. Lots and lots of girls to get to a meet.

2. Have really good game in person once you get them to the meet.

In my experience, you are still going to get flaked on a lot.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%, and have done the same thing about scheduling 2 M / G for the same afternoon. The other thing I would say is the flake % is directly correlated to the length of time in the future the meeting is scheduled. E. g. , same day meets, over 90% show up; next day meets maybe 60-75% show up; 2, 3 4 days in the future well under 50% actually happen, and more than a week in advance you're lucky if your "yield" is 10%.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4462027]Not every girl will do this, that's for sure. A lot of guys post about how they want "regular" girls and not pros. Of course, it's pretty hard to draw that line in this hobby. But I would say that this is the best way to be sure you are not getting a pro. Almost by definition, girls who will do this are not pros, even if they expect to get money or something of value afterward.

It does mean more work in setting up the meets. But well over have the girls I have closed with did it on this bases and they are consistently the best experiences I have had.

Today I had lunch schedule with a cute 21 year old hapa college girl. Very genuine vibe, just like I like. She flaked on me via text this morning, four hours before we were supposed to meet at noon. This has happened to me so much that I was prepared. I had another girl scheduled for 1:00. I do this a lot because my time is valuable and I get flaked on a lot. Usually, the second girl I schedule is either less attractive, or more pro, so I don't mind if my number 1 shows up, I have to flake on my number 2, and number 2 is pissed at me. I at least give number 2 in that situation the courtesy of text, which girls don't always do for me. I always schedule my higher priority target for the first time slot.

Today was exactly like that. Number 2 was very hot, but gave off a semi pro vibe. Part of that vibe was wanting to know via text what the donation would be. That was OK with me for a backup, and she didn't try to negotiate my initial offer. It was an enjoyable afternoon fucking number 2 and better than going home with blue balls, but not the experience that I am after. On further reflection, I don't think Number 2 was an UTR so much as a cautious SB. Either way, she was a one and done.

So I would say that the key to finding girls who will fuck without discussing price is two-fold:

1. Message more girls. Lots and lots of girls to get to a meet.

2. Have really good game in person once you get them to the meet.

In my experience, you are still going to get flaked on a lot.[/QUOTE]Good breakdown.

Generally, the newer they are to the bowl the better the chance that no discussion about allowance is the route they go. Speaking about money (especially with these acts involved) isn't a comfortable conversation for a woman to have so they will most likely not bring it up. I've gone a month or two before on of my SB's brought it up and her reason was "It was such a good experience without the allowance, I kind of forgot". So that's another tip, make it feel as natural as possible and you may get to skate awhile before it is brought up. (Sidenote: She was looking for experiences with a man that made her feel like a woman and took care of incidentals so there was an allowance / payment it just wasn't cash at the end of the meet).