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[QUOTE=Joseph1955;7474907]…but that's a lot of effort to chase a pretty thin misdemeanor…[/QUOTE]Normally I'd completely agree. But they will have found a neatly organized index of DRIVERS LICENSES linked to phone numbers and likely surveillance video; this reduces the time to get a name and address to essentially zero and fulfills the "red handed" aspect completely.

People with good security practices may be OK. Those without that sent a real, unredacted drivers license, use their real phone, etc. Should be worried.

[QUOTE=WillShookup;7475369]Normally I'd completely agree. But they will have found a neatly organized index of DRIVERS LICENSES linked to phone numbers and likely surveillance video; this reduces the time to get a name and address to essentially zero and fulfills the "red handed" aspect completely.

People with good security practices may be OK. Those without that sent a real, unredacted drivers license, use their real phone, etc. Should be worried.[/QUOTE]Even then I wouldn't be too worried unless you explicitly discussed over text. I never discuss services over text (booker does list but I never said I'm partaking). I imagine a lot of gents are just lonely and looking for someone to talk to. Certainly not looking to do anything illegal. All these reviews are just roleplaying.

Been searching, can't find anything.

That's all well and good, but even if you haven't done any of the 'red handed' stuff and you get charged or even just arrested you're in for a ride you will not enjoy, will be expensive, and will leave a trail of documentation that can follow you around for a long time. Once you're in the system you're kinda fooked whether or not you're innocent. Good security practices are well worth the effort.

[QUOTE=JoeSmith11;7475379]Even then I wouldn't be too worried unless you explicitly discussed over text. I never discuss services over text (booker does list but I never said I'm partaking). I imagine a lot of gents are just lonely and looking for someone to talk to. Certainly not looking to do anything illegal. All these reviews are just roleplaying.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SilverWraith;7475407]Good security practices are well worth the effort.[/QUOTE]It goes without saying that avoiding contact with LEO is always the best option.

This has all been a great reminder to keep plausible deniability in all your communications.

[QUOTE=MorganCreamin;7475401]Been searching, can't find anything.[/QUOTE]I imagine it will take awhile for investigators to parse through all the evidence to decide who to go after and then make one big sweep for the headline.

I think yall are way overthinking this. Even if they have all your texts and I'd. They still won't go after you guys. The only way any of yall are going to jail for this is if you get caught red handed. You really think LEO cares about the clients?? Even then charges are brought forward they're most likely going to get reduced to a misdemeanor if you take a plea deal. Even if they have all the information they need. They’re not going to waste time and resources to arrest some hobbyists. Lmfao. Like realistically speaking, the likelyhood of that ever happening is so low, you honestly have a higher risk of getting popped while visiting these damn k orgs. It’s crazy to me that yall are okay with going to these places and not even thinking about leo potentially watching, yet get spooked out over texts and ID’s. Lmfao. Trust me. We’re not that important.

[QUOTE=Anger;7475486]I think yall are way overthinking this. Even if they have all your texts and I'd. They still won't go after you guys. The only way any of yall are going to jail for this is if you get caught red handed. You really think LEO cares about the clients?? Even then charges are brought forward they're most likely going to get reduced to a misdemeanor if you take a plea deal. Even if they have all the information they need. Theyre not going to waste time and resources to arrest some hobbyists. Lmfao. Like realistically speaking, the likelyhood of that ever happening is so low, you honestly have a higher risk of getting popped while visiting these damn k orgs. Its crazy to me that yall are okay with going to these places and not even thinking about leo potentially watching, yet get spooked out over texts and IDs. Lmfao. Trust me. Were not that important.[/QUOTE]You're being overconfident. Even if the authorities March you to court and you cop to the charges or plead no contest, that is still a "win" for them and good PR. Yes they may want to be more zealous about going after certain types of clients (people with criminal records, folks with high-profile or public-facing jobs, frequent users), but there's a nonzero chance they will also go after regular joe type clients as well.

[QUOTE=Noworth;7473779]They did have evidence from the client list but then did a bit of leg work to match faces to DL pics and surveillance footage. Seems like the VA side was uninterested and never brought any charges.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it is up to each DA. In Massachusetts they picked a handful of people to go after, it was just a small percent. It's because they have no interest in the resources to prosecute everyone. It's about setting an example and being cost effective. That's their job. Whereas for VA, they held a brief press conference saying they weren't interested so that's the end of that. No prosecutions. A DA is always picking and choosing which cases they go to, it is routine for weaker cases to get dropped. Happens all the time. They hammer down the nails that stick out, and even in Boston they picked just a few people they had the strongest cases against.

The Feds had originally said in their press conference that prostitution itself is a State and City enforcement, so all they can do is hand over the evidence they gathered to the State DAs and they are not responsible beyond that. If you read the affidavit, they flat out state that government employees and officials were implicated. In fact, they also state that this allowed them to seize and examine phones without even a warrant (i.e. an employer can seize company phones given out to employees since it is the employer's property). There is no incentive to lie on a sworn affidavit about such details (they are not going to make up things that embarrass themselves for no reason), and it is consistent with the context of the case including interviewing cooperative Johns (including said government employees). Government employees looooove to see prostitutes, it makes the news regularly. So it is credible. For VA to drop all cases, it probably protected those people as a bonus. VA has a ton of federal employees. There were suggestions these were DoD employees, but no hard confirmation.

Prostitution itself is federally legal (illegal in almost all most states and counties), in the reverse way that weed is federally illegal (legal in many states and counties). The Feds had original jurisdiction because the case involved inter-state trafficking and wire fraud. So their investigation focused on just that. They have no authority or interest in anything else, but naturally they gather evidence they can hand over to others. It bears pointing out that many local State and City officials lack the interest or resources to do detailed investigations, it really varies by jurisdiction.

Some States and Cities are very laid back, others are very strict. Parts of Nevada have it completely legal. Some small areas of NYC have it decriminalized (they won't prosecute and even passed a law that expunged prior convictions), but just across the river less than a mile away it is actually enforced. Other places like City of Industry has zero enforcement for decades. There are States like California with specific exceptions, like filming porn by contract not counting. It's one reason why the US porn industry is so concentrated in California. In any case, it is really up to local laws unless state lines are crossed. In some States, there are practical factors such as nobody cares unless it is in public bothering the neighbors. Probably why COI is a nonstop fuck fest for 20 years. It helps that almost nobody lives in COI, it's an industrial area, so no neighbors to bother when everything happens inside clubs.

I did work in the Telecom provider and helped to collect evidence for police in such cases. All information about text messages to AP will be collected and sent to police investigators. Telecom provider keeps all logs at least for 6 months. There are a few options on evidence about clients depending on how clients communicated with AP:

1. Real phone number. Easiest case for them. Most probably they will try to prosecute them.

2. Burner. More difficult. Will take time to get information from Burner. Burner also keeps all logs on the server. Eventually police will know real I'd of burner users.

3. Protonmail- most difficult. They must have access to via owner.

I did talk a lot with police representatives on such cases. They are spending time to collect evidence and they want to prosecute everyone. Don't think that they are going to ignore clients. They will try to do everything that they can do.

Options which they have:

1. Sting operation. In Seattle area, including Bellevue, police works by sting operations. They did it recently in Aurora street and they did it when Bellevue league was busted.

They might did in AP case too. My friend was booking girl and booker replied with a completely new location. It was very strange. AP had a two rooms in the same building. One for Japanese girls and one for Korean. But just one day before AP was busted location was changed. Did police run operation already?

If they didn't then will run for sure. Either they will run again AP website or will organize a new fake agency.

Whoever goes now to any org, just realize that you are the middle of police operation. Are you ok with such risk?

2. Confession of clients.

Your DL does not matter. Police can't trust criminal organization databases. Telecom providers logs do matter. But it's not enough to prosecute you.

- Police might take very aggressive action to force clients to confess.

- Police might change crime from buying sex to participation in sex trafficking, forcing to have sex and etc. And then whole army of investigators will analyze everything: gps logs, video cameras and etc. Each of us will be in the news.

All these options are on their table.

Remember, whatever they say: they don't have enough evidence that you paid for sex. These girls wanted to have money. No one was forced, they were able to leave anytime and they did that. There were no security guards, no one was forcing them.

[QUOTE=WillShookup;7475369]Normally I'd completely agree. But they will have found a neatly organized index of DRIVERS LICENSES linked to phone numbers and likely surveillance video; this reduces the time to get a name and address to essentially zero and fulfills the "red handed" aspect completely.

People with good security practices may be OK. Those without that sent a real, unredacted drivers license, use their real phone, etc. Should be worried.[/QUOTE]I have access in my work of line to check dl's and trust me a picture of your dl and dl# plus photo is so easy find "whom" you are!

Even if you blurred out information there is software to erase what you blurred out.

[QUOTE=VisibleNinja;7475703] but there's a nonzero chance they will also go after regular joe type clients as well.[/QUOTE]That's a bunch of BS.

When the the and BPD took down the The League they ruined many average Joe clients lives and lost everything.

[QUOTE=Mrnobody3455;7476273]. And then whole army of investigators will analyze everything: gps logs, video cameras and etc. Each of us will be in the news.

All these options are on their table.

Remember, whatever they say: they don't have enough evidence that you paid for sex. These girls wanted to have money. No one was forced, they were able to leave anytime and they did that. There were no security guards, no one was forcing them.[/QUOTE]GPS logs from what? Video cameras from what?

With respect to Asian Pink, you're talking about.

* Maybe having a text message.

* Which maybe is traceable to a particular person.

* Which maybe shows they maybe reached the building in question.

* And maybe shows they maybe saw the person they inquired about if you replied to a follow-up text from the booker.

This. Proves. Nothing.

On a good day, a prosecutor could maybe show you had an interest in paying for an encounter with someone who they could credibly argue you knew was a sex worker. Even that is a reach because maybe you heard from a friend about these attractive ladies who like sex.

They're getting you into a courtroom to prosecute you for this?

I don't see it.

None of the workers is going to cooperate; most will be out of the country if / when any trial occurs. None will claim they were trafficked (in this case, as it appears this was entirely consensual, non-coercive, and the women had free movement).

Maybe, maybe, maybe they pick a few someones to "make an example out of". Those should go to trial and get acquitted. No matter how ugly the disclosures are during a trial, they will be minimally important once the defendant is acquitted.

And more importantly, I doubt they get you to a trial without you confessing to crimes. Saying nothing if asked is still currently protected in the US.