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[QUOTE=BeefNoodleSoup;5510234]There's an escort who goes by Kodak who used to work there. She has some negative things to say about the place but from what I hear, joy's is good but expensive.[/QUOTE]Care to share the "negative things" Kodak had to say about Joy's? That would be interesting to learn.

Yep, anytime you get a girl off Tryst or Eros and they are perfectly manicured and attired and in a 5-star location, then yeah, one ain't paying street rates nor listcrawler rates. Use to be an older blonde working there that had a porno on one of the sites in typical P.S. Fashion.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5510719]Care to share the "negative things" Kodak had to say about Joy's? That would be interesting to learn.

Yep, anytime you get a girl off Tryst or Eros and they are perfectly manicured and attired and in a 5-star location, then yeah, one ain't paying street rates nor listcrawler rates. Use to be an older blonde working there that had a porno on one of the sites in typical P.S. Fashion.[/QUOTE]Is this the Kodak you're talking about?

[QUOTE=JCM2767;5513243]Is this the Kodak you're talking about?[/QUOTE]Just a quick note on Kodak. What happened with Kodak and Joy had little to nothing to do with the establishment in the city. The issues are well over two years old. While she worked there she was always the first choice for anyone that knew her.
Kodak was experiencing some difficult personal issues at that time and as they do sometimes, they got in the way of business. Some feathers got ruffled and have been smoothed out for a very long time. Kodak is still busy doing what she does. And like always doing it well. She still looks very good and takes good care of herself. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

[QUOTE=Gator145;5513805]. Kodak is still busy doing what she does.[b] And like always doing it well.[/b] She still looks very good and takes good care of herself. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.[/QUOTE]
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Nice to know. I stayed away, because if memory serves there was some YMMV kind of discussion about her on the boards. Didn't someone say there is a dude involved? Then one video of her on one of the sites has her BF, Handler or whatever, talking to her and giving directions. Indies I don't mind, Handled girls is a no fly if ID'ed up front.

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Nice to know. I stayed away, because if memory serves there was some YMMV kind of discussion about her on the boards. Didn't someone say there is a dude involved? Then one video of her on one of the sites has her BF, Handler or whatever, talking to her and giving directions. Indies I don't mind, Handled girls is a no fly if ID'ed up front.[/QUOTE]I saw that too. Sounded like a pimp to me.

[QUOTE=JCM2767;5513243]Is this the Kodak you're talking about?[/QUOTE]Yeah. She's pretty chill most of the time. Last time I saw her was in a house in the ne. She bounced around some hotels after joys and was a bit bitchy during those times. She's an open addict. There is a dude / bf but I've never really had issues.There may also be cameras. I saw one but it wasn't plugged in but I wouldn't be surprised if there are some hidden ones.

For all you more experienced monger who get all misty eyed at the good ol' Backpage days. [URL]https://apnews.com/article/business-trials-3b1c9d3e59e90cd60764b3eb989fec80[/URL].

[QUOTE=JTerry26;5543361]For all you more experienced monger who get all misty eyed at the good ol' Backpage days. [URL]https://apnews.com/article/business-trials-3b1c9d3e59e90cd60764b3eb989fec80[/URL].[/QUOTE]Wow! How does a female judge declare a mistrial when women were exploited on the site? But I wonder if the law that was in place that allowed website immunity will once again prevail and let these dudes (scumbags) off the hook? These guys were the reason for SESTA-FOSTA law. Maybe the prosecutors jumped the gun and should have waited to shut down BP till they had SESTA-FOSTA evidence.

Thanks for sharing!

[QUOTE=JTerry26;5543361]For all you more experienced monger who get all misty eyed at the good ol' Backpage days. [URL]https://apnews.com/article/business-trials-3b1c9d3e59e90cd60764b3eb989fec80[/URL].[/QUOTE]There's an old adage; Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The Government has tried to frame the facilitators of the sex industry as "trafficking children". That's how they planted the cameras in the massage parlor that nailed Patriot's owner, Robert Kraft. That was the main justification for taking down Backpage when any honest analysis of their business model would show there was very little of that going on. Even one instance is one instance too many but it has given the government Carte Blanche to do whatever it pleases.

I long for the days of Backpage because it plied it's trade on the true market dynamics of supply and demand. It gave the girls instant access to the cash being spent in the hobby and allowed the Mongers a wide array of choices and prices. I could make a strong argument that shutting down Backpage didn't put a dent into the money being spent on prostitution, it only endangered the providers and made the hobby more expensive for the mongers. But the Government feels like it's making a difference and it's negative impact is mostly on the marginalized and voiceless. It's sort of like pissing in your wetsuit, its gives you a nice feeling all over while doing nothing to accomplish the true objective.

[QUOTE=DonTrask;5543896]There's an old adage; Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The Government has tried to frame the facilitators of the sex industry as "trafficking children". That's how they planted the cameras in the massage parlor that nailed Patriot's owner, Robert Kraft. [b]That was the main justification for taking down Backpage when any honest analysis of their business model would show there was very little of that going on.[/b] Even one instance is one instance too many but it has given the government Carte Blanche to do whatever it pleases.

I long for the days of Backpage because it plied it's trade on the true market dynamics of supply and demand. It gave the girls instant access to the cash being spent in the hobby and allowed the Mongers a wide array of choices and prices. I could make a strong argument that shutting down Backpage didn't put a dent into the money being spent on prostitution, it only endangered the providers and made the hobby more expensive for the mongers. But the Government feels like it's making a difference and it's negative impact is mostly on the marginalized and voiceless. It's sort of like pissing in your wetsuit, its gives you a nice feeling all over while doing nothing to accomplish the true objective.[/QUOTE]You make a good point with: "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. " And yes, LE tries to use the hot button of "trafficking" as an excuse to shut down the industry. That is the main headline in any news story on prostitution stings, even when everyone encountered is an +18 adult.

But, not to be argumentative but I could not disagree more with this statement:

[I]That was the main justification for taking down Backpage when any honest analysis of their business model would show there was very little of that going on.[/I]

So "very little" is OK? Huh? ONE child being sex trafficked is one too many. If one reads the info used to shut down the site, one will learn a long history of BP. There were numerous lawsuits by families against BP when minors were trafficked on the site and those cases were tossed out due to the protections of the Communications Decency Act.

There were any number of NGOs that tried to work with BP to reduce the sex trafficking on its site, but the guys running it thumbed their nose at those efforts! Let's not forget that the guys at BP were "editing" posts, removing code words like "l*lita" and others that indicated an under-aged girl was in play. Instead of banning someone obviously selling girls, BP changed their adverts and took their money.

Shoot the center for Missing & Exploited Children even tried working with BP, but they put profits over protection. A researcher in AZ even tried to work with them and suggested techniques that could be used to manage the issue. Sad reality is that IF BP had paid heed to these efforts and made adjustments, this whole FOSTA-SESTA mess could have been avoided. No, these dudes are scumbags that needed to be taken down.

Also, I like that fact that there are many sites out there now, not just one. Makes it harder to take down the industry. Now it is a whack-a-mole game. So I don't see any stifling of trade by BP's absence, sure same money being spent and many places for girls to ply their trade. Can't see any more danger for girls. The main degradation of the industry is Simps willing to give away their money at any level.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5543931]And yes, LE tries to use the hot button of "trafficking" as an excuse to shut down the industry. That is the main headline in any news story on prostitution stings, even when everyone encountered is an +18 adult.[/QUOTE]To be fair, you don't have to be a child to be trafficked. Anyone in the industry being run by a pimp against their will is being trafficked, underage or not.

Anyone forcing another human to engage in prostitution against (his or) her will deserves to be taken down, and anyone running a site where they turn a blind eye to obvious trafficking (underage or not) also deserves to be taken down.

I clearly have no issue with what two (or more) [B]freely[/B] consenting adults wish to do together and whatever arrangement they want to make to do it.

This weekend TV was bombarded with the ads for this product. Some were pretty funny.

Maybe this should be added to the 'Monger Kit"?

While the stench maybe gone or controlled, dirty is still dirty.

[URL]https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=lume&docid=608041642718079246&mid=A1180B9D1E80DEFE96B0A1180B9D1E80DEFE96B0&view=detail&FORM=VIRE[/URL]

I am hoping to find someone to come to my hotel at 9:00 or 10:00 PM in center city. Does anyone have a recommendation for an agency that provides night time outcall? Thanks!

[QUOTE=DuckFoo;5656498]I am hoping to find someone to come to my hotel at 9:00 or 10:00 PM in center city. Does anyone have a recommendation for an agency that provides night time outcall? Thanks![/QUOTE]Maybe Joy's Companions, with screening and advanced booking?

I have a question for the Philadelphia users. A number of the major city locations have a forum for "bareback" or "BBFS" providers. Is there any interest in starting one for Philly for bb / cip / cia providers? It would be easier than constantly asking about each provider in the Escorts thread.