[QUOTE=FlyingGolfball;7473082]Not so great for everyone.[/QUOTE]I guess we'll find out if providing a drivers license was such a minor thing after all.
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[QUOTE=FlyingGolfball;7473082]Not so great for everyone.[/QUOTE]I guess we'll find out if providing a drivers license was such a minor thing after all.
[QUOTE=WillShookup;7473225]I guess we'll find out if providing a drivers license was such a minor thing after all.[/QUOTE]Glad mine was shopped.
Probably a good time to change your burners as well.
[QUOTE=FlyingGolfball;7473082]The provider reached out back to me.
Seems like a Bellevue PD busted the boss. Might be in custody soon.
Not so great for everyone.[/QUOTE]Does anyone have actual experience on how this would work? What charges could they bring against a previous client or provider unless they had evidence of a crime? I understand about the owner and their direct connection to the apartments, the immediate providers and clients found there, bank records, etc. But how could providers and clients no longer present be connected to a crime?
[QUOTE=Joseph1955;7473670]Does anyone have actual experience on how this would work? What charges could they bring against a previous client or provider unless they had evidence of a crime? I understand about the owner and their direct connection to the apartments, the immediate providers and clients found there, bank records, etc. But how could providers and clients no longer present be connected to a crime?[/QUOTE]Not a lawyer but it's pretty hard without cash in hand. The statute just says you have to agree, but a good lawyer can twist the fuck out of that.
[QUOTE=MorganCreamin;7473680]Not a lawyer but it's pretty hard without cash in hand. The statute just says you have to agree, but a good lawyer can twist the fuck out of that.[/QUOTE]This. In the unlikely event of an arrest, do not talk to the cops without a lawyer present.
[QUOTE=Joseph1955;7473670]Does anyone have actual experience on how this would work? What charges could they bring against a previous client or provider unless they had evidence of a crime? I understand about the owner and their direct connection to the apartments, the immediate providers and clients found there, bank records, etc. But how could providers and clients no longer present be connected to a crime?[/QUOTE]They did have evidence from the client list but then did a bit of leg work to match faces to DL pics and surveillance footage. Seems like the VA side was uninterested and never brought any charges.
Not sure what the general climate about sex work in Seattle is but if there is a large anti-John group that wants to blame the clients might want to think twice. But I think generally if all they have is phone records that is viewed more as circumstantial so not too strong -- maybe enough to scare some into confessions but as mentioned, if you get a visit talk with a lawyer and let the lawyer talk with LE.
[QUOTE=MorganCreamin;7473680]Not a lawyer but it's pretty hard without cash in hand. The statute just says you have to agree, but a good lawyer can twist the fuck out of that.[/QUOTE]I don't disagree, but with a DL in-hand, linked to texts asking for services for $, and potentially linked to video of entering the common area of an apartment someone could be in for an interesting ride.
It's less about the situation generally than the specifics here and how careful an individual was.
But I would be reviewing text history and as noted elsewhere working to clean up your trail to the extent possible.
[QUOTE=WillShookup;7473782]I don't disagree, but with a DL in-hand, linked to texts asking for services for $, and potentially linked to video of entering the common area of an apartment someone could be in for an interesting ride.
It's less about the situation generally than the specifics here and how careful an individual was.
But I would be reviewing text history and as noted elsewhere working to clean up your trail to the extent possible.[/QUOTE]Interesting ride indeed. Here's what I do know- never answer any questions at all, no matter how innocent they seem. Only say that you don't answer questions outside the presence of your attorney and then STFU except to repeat that statement if they don't leave you alone.
Another issue is server logs. I used a burner but does the server cache those text messages? Can't be sure. Regular cell providers definitely do. Deleting on the phone doesn't matter if they can just pull the records It all comes down to how much of a hard-on LE has to go through the work to track people down. In addition to video inside the building if you've parked your car in the area they have your license plate. Burner phone apps can be traced, burner phone location logs can be subpoenaed, etc.
But is all that enough to secure a conviction? Way above my pay grade but let's hope not.
I hope everyone knows that all of their texts are retained by their provider. They parse them for data to sell, and they respond quickly and completely to subpoenas. Further, I hope people know to activate burners without giving any PII. If you skip all that shit it will still activate.
[QUOTE]But is all that enough to secure a conviction? Way above my pay grade but let's hope not.[/QUOTE]This is where the American justice system is such joke: it's all about the willingness to prosecute. There's probably more than enough for a solid case, but unless politics intrude there's little appetite for spending a ton of time going after small fish.
This is likely the saving grace here. Unless some politico gets all righteous.
[QUOTE=Joseph1955;7473670]Does anyone have actual experience on how this would work? What charges could they bring against a previous client or provider unless they had evidence of a crime? I understand about the owner and their direct connection to the apartments, the immediate providers and clients found there, bank records, etc. But how could providers and clients no longer present be connected to a crime?[/QUOTE]Google - "the league bellvue" get your answers.
[QUOTE=HapaBoy86;7474037]Google - "the league bellvue" get your answers.[/QUOTE]Didn't know about that one.
All the k girls I've visited have seemed like they were there willingly, but how do we knowv they aren't being trafficked? I honestly don't want anything to do with that shit. I'll all for it if she's there willingly, but otherwise definitely not.
[QUOTE=HapaBoy86;7474037]Google - "the league bellvue" get your answers.[/QUOTE]Not an apples-to-apples comparison on any level, unless you were paying these girls rent and / or shilling for them.
On the latter, the Admin may want to remove any reviews for that agency.
[QUOTE=WillShookup;7473865]I hope everyone knows that all of their texts are retained by their provider. They parse them for data to sell, and they respond quickly and completely to subpoenas. Further, I hope people know to activate burners without giving any PII. If you skip all that shit it will still activate.
This is where the American justice system is such joke: it's all about the willingness to prosecute. There's probably more than enough for a solid case, but unless politics intrude there's little appetite for spending a ton of time going after small fish.
This is likely the saving grace here. Unless some politico gets all righteous.[/QUOTE]Aye they might be more inclined to go after people with criminal records or who are frequent clients or famous (like that radio host) over someone with no criminal history and / or who might've been just a onetime client or just a handful of times.
[QUOTE=WillShookup;7474824]Not an apples-to-apples comparison on any level, unless you were paying these girls rent and / or shilling for them.
On the latter, the Admin may want to remove any reviews for that agency.[/QUOTE]That may have been his point: it seems their priority is to prosecute the people running and / or promoting the business (the money people). I'm sure they are interested in charging anyone committing a crime, but the providers are lower down the list and probably seen as victims of the situation They'd love to high profile prosecute the clients to deter demand, but that's a lot of effort to chase a pretty thin misdemeanor that requires a fair amount of "caught red handed" to make stick. But then again, I don't know shit and would never do any of this stuff y'all write about here.
[QUOTE=HapaBoy86;7474037]Google - "the league bellvue" get your answers.[/QUOTE]What was the studio (s) in Bellevue called back then? Same apt complex as current ones, AP and KA?