What in the fuck are you talking about?

[QUOTE=CaptCipher;6374754]That attitude and entitlement is reason enough that you won't get contact info.

Safety and selfish arent mutually exclusive. I'm not going to put a girl at risk and place my continued ability to see her in jeopardy for some stranger on the internet who's whining that life isn't fair.

Theres some serious groundwork into getting a UTR (as I have recently learned getting takeout from the stripclub) I blame nobody if they don't want to risk the work they put in in the first place.[/QUOTE]Last time I shared a UTR he fucked it up for me. I have no one but myself to blame, even though he was the asshat and I can't control how a monger behaves, I could have been better at vetting him. But who really thinks someone is going to act a fool about getting some prime pussy from a beautiful woman that loves to fuck? Now only share details with mongers I know.

[QUOTE=Bouinage;6375201]Last time I shared a UTR he fucked it up for me. I have no one but myself to blame, even though he was the asshat and I can't control how a monger behaves, I could have been better at vetting him. But who really thinks someone is going to act a fool about getting some prime pussy from a beautiful woman that loves to fuck? Now only share details with mongers I know.[/QUOTE]Why aren't we shaming people who do this shit? This is the anything goes / shit talking thread, right? Let's put these asshats on blast so we know who not to share info with.

[QUOTE=GodzB;6375266]Why aren't we shaming people who do this shit? This is the anything goes / shit talking thread, right? Let's put these asshats on blast so we know who not to share info with.[/QUOTE]I wish we could, I'm still super pissed losing sammy, I had good chemistry and found her reliable. Wish she had just gone utr, Charlotte's tough, hoping my own search and efforts pays dividends soon.

[QUOTE=GutterMind4;6374255]Some folks can't handle being left out. It's likely nothing personal for RWolt, maybe PMed the wrong people. But I had Samara's contact 20 minutes after I requested. She'll check you out on here before giving the green light but, again, that's her prerogative. At the end of the day, no one is entitled to anyone's contact, selfish or not. But if you're pissed about being left out of the reindeer games, that's a red flag to me. Charlotte's full of options right now, work on finding your own UTR. I doubt you share her contact if she prefers otherwise.

Rock Singer has had 19 post in 6 years and has been radio silent for the past 5 years. Spare us the epic tragedy of your hobby life. I doubt you've received the short end of the stick on info we've all provided here. Our fundamental lack of self control is the reason these girls leave or go UTR. If the guys act like this with us, how do you think they treat the ladies?[/QUOTE]This is all cracking me up. Thanks for calling me out personally but you certainly don't know me and after those comments, I don't want to know you. I certainly would not use the words butthurt or pissed to explain what frame of mind I may or may not be. I also believe that caring about a provider's "safety" is a stretch but I can't claim to know what goes through anyone's head here. I was curious about her info. PMed several members that said to PM for info and got no response. I don't plan on going on and on about it. To each his own.

[QUOTE=RockSinger72;6376045]This is all cracking me up. Thanks for calling me out personally but you certainly don't know me and after those comments, I don't want to know you. I certainly would not use the words butthurt or pissed to explain what frame of mind I may or may not be. I also believe that caring about a provider's "safety" is a stretch but I can't claim to know what goes through anyone's head here. I was curious about her info. PMed several members that said to PM for info and got no response. I don't plan on going on and on about it. To each his own.[/QUOTE]I just want to clarify my policy. I'm pretty sure others do the same. If the status under your name is Regular Member (RM) I'm not sharing anything with you just yet. I'm going to ignore your pm because if I politely share this policy I may be in for some grief I don't have time for.

Most of the time, when we share info we say "senior members only".

If the status under your name says Senior Member (SM), I'll look at your posts, and look for any signs of trouble. If I don't see any, I'll share info. Real talk I don't even need a decent reason to NOT share. Shitty grammar and spelling are enough because most of the trouble makers on this board can't write.

So there it is. I'm not trying to cause trouble or criticize. Just clarifying that's where many of us stand.

As for the safety thing, we want to keep enjoying the good providers. If they aren't safe, they leave. Less fun for us. Simple

I concur; I follow the exact same steps! Thank you for clarifying as it appears we are under some type of scrutiny with the RM's about providers' intel. That pretty much sums up what I believe most of us do and the reason(s) why.

[QUOTE=PieMonger;6376205]I just want to clarify my policy. I'm pretty sure others do the same. If the status under your name is Regular Member (RM) I'm not sharing anything with you just yet. I'm going to ignore your pm because if I politely share this policy I may be in for some grief I don't have time for.

Most of the time, when we share info we say "senior members only".

If the status under your name says Senior Member (SM), I'll look at your posts, and look for any signs of trouble. If I don't see any, I'll share info. Real talk I don't even need a decent reason to NOT share. Shitty grammar and spelling are enough because most of the trouble makers on this board can't write.

So there it is. I'm not trying to cause trouble or criticize. Just clarifying that's where many of us stand.

As for the safety thing, we want to keep enjoying the good providers. If they aren't safe, they leave. Less fun for us. Simple[/QUOTE].

It's been said before and it'll be said again.

Why the fuck do you say no bare (BBBJ) or GFE the post pics of "you" doing those very acts.

What's worse is I contact to get said info and then you catch an attitude. Stop wasting time so we can get on with it.

Also why post in the female section when your trans? Yea exposure / marketing but is that really worth the negative of tricking some with a temper and causing a increased scrutiny? Each to their own but stay in your lane!

As far as the sharing goes it up to the person. Generally a rule of thumb is to not share with an RM, I had to start over but that's the breaks. As a SM to a SM info may not be shared that just how it goes. The good providers yes you want to give them business but not at the expense of running them out of town. That's what is meant by "safety" in this sense. If you share a UTR because they're open cool if you get the info cool if not cool. In my experiences you treat them with respect you get a better experience. Which is also why I don't understand providers trying to provide a good experience to get repeat business. That's a whole other rant. No need to get pissy, but if you need or want here is the place.

[QUOTE=GutterMind4;6374255] Charlotte's full of options right now, work on finding your own UTR. [/QUOTE]What I'm really interested in is THAT.

How do you do THAT?

I'm tired of holding back with worries of trafficking or drug abuse. I got money burning a hole in my pocket, and civilian girls be trippin' right now
I thought I had one a while back but she was jacked up. Walked out immediately.

[QUOTE=PieMonger;6376205]I just want to clarify my policy. I'm pretty sure others do the same. If the status under your name is Regular Member (RM) I'm not sharing anything with you just yet. I'm going to ignore your pm because if I politely share this policy I may be in for some grief I don't have time for.

Most of the time, when we share info we say "senior members only".

If the status under your name says Senior Member (SM), I'll look at your posts, and look for any signs of trouble. If I don't see any, I'll share info. Real talk I don't even need a decent reason to NOT share. Shitty grammar and spelling are enough because most of the trouble makers on this board can't write.

So there it is. I'm not trying to cause trouble or criticize. Just clarifying that's where many of us stand.

As for the safety thing, we want to keep enjoying the good providers. If they aren't safe, they leave. Less fun for us. Simple[/QUOTE]This a 100 x I read a members post history, how they act and what they contribute, reminds me of someone who had tons of posts but theyre shared info is useless.

You guys love these hoes too much LOL.

[QUOTE=GodzB;6375266]Why aren't we shaming people who do this shit? This is the anything goes / shit talking thread, right? Let's put these asshats on blast so we know who not to share info with.[/QUOTE]Because most likely the Admin would delete the post.

[QUOTE=RockSinger72;6376045]This is all cracking me up. Thanks for calling me out personally but you certainly don't know me and after those comments, I don't want to know you. I certainly would not use the words butthurt or pissed to explain what frame of mind I may or may not be. I also believe that caring about a provider's "safety" is a stretch but I can't claim to know what goes through anyone's head here. I was curious about her info. PMed several members that said to PM for info and got no response. I don't plan on going on and on about it. To each his own.[/QUOTE]I read your previous posts, and would say butt hurt applies quite well.

[QUOTE=Clceent101;6376339]It's been said before and it'll be said again.

Why the fuck do you say no bare (BBBJ) or GFE the post pics of "you" doing those very acts. [/QUOTE]They are posting pics and vids from their OF with their tested / trusted OF partners. We guys are simple and get drawn in by that.

[QUOTE=Clceent101;6376339] Also why post in the female section when your trans? Yea exposure / marketing but is that really worth the negative of tricking some with a temper and causing a increased scrutiny? Each to their own but stay in your lane! [/QUOTE]It's weird and it sucks, but that lane has long since expanded. Especially for the younger str8 dudes, dudes that been locked up, and those that don't hide anymore. I used to live in a luxury high rise uptown. On my floor there were two Airbnb apartments who stayed booked with Trans girls. 2/3 in each apartment. Very passable, all Latinas. They brought the clients in through back / garbage area to the elevators. You couldn't help but be on the elevators with them and clients during the day. My female neighbors would go have drinks with them. Basically they got more clients from the ads in female sections than anyplace else. All had hardcore tweeters and OFs. There's a reason that category is so high up on PHub. They definitely aren't tricking anyone. I think some guys may have remorse after, but they know. I lived in Miami and those young dudes knew exactly who they were talking to at the bars and clubs. The younger gen doesn't care as much.

[QUOTE=PieMonger;6376393]What I'm really interested in is THAT.

How do you do THAT?

I'm tired of holding back with worries of trafficking or drug abuse. I got money burning a hole in my pocket, and civilian girls be trippin' right now
I thought I had one a while back but she was jacked up. Walked out immediately.[/QUOTE]This, but also why I've been looking at the SB as more fulfilling road to take.

[QUOTE=LionsDen40;6377518]They are posting pics and vids from their OF with their tested / trusted OF partners. We guys are simple and get drawn in by that.

It's weird and it sucks, but that lane has long since expanded. Especially for the younger str8 dudes, dudes that been locked up, and those that don't hide anymore. I used to live in a luxury high rise uptown. On my floor there were two Airbnb apartments who stayed booked with Trans girls. 2/3 in each apartment. Very passable, all Latinas. They brought the clients in through back / garbage area to the elevators. You couldn't help but be on the elevators with them and clients during the day. My female neighbors would go have drinks with them. Basically they got more clients from the ads in female sections than anyplace else. All had hardcore tweeters and OFs. There's a reason that category is so high up on PHub. They definitely aren't tricking anyone. I think some guys may have remorse after, but they know. I lived in Miami and those young dudes knew exactly who they were talking to at the bars and clubs. The younger gen doesn't care as much.[/QUOTE]Nope didn't know well the BBBJ stuff yea but for the younger generation I thought it was more of a meme than the norm. Maybe I am just older than I think I am.

I wish I could tell you there was a secret to this. I can tell you that the tools to do it are better than they've even been. Over the years, I began with phone numbers to strippers. I'm willing to bet none of those numbers work today. However today, phone numbers, along with social media, dating site usernames, etc. Work far better. Girls will put their IG and Snap names on Tinder just to get followers. It takes time but one out of 100 will respond. Seeking has been the best place for me and I've only been working it about two years. Do NOT underestimate how much time it will take and never assume they will be there when you go back for more. But as long as you be nice to them, sometimes even when they don't deserve it, they will need you again. Or they will be out of that situationship they hoped would work out. It seems the average account on SA is about 6 to 12 months. But once I have their number, they are just "a girl I met way back" and then everything is negotiable. Like everything else, it's all how much time and work you invest.

[QUOTE=PieMonger;6376393]What I'm really interested in is THAT.

How do you do THAT?

I'm tired of holding back with worries of trafficking or drug abuse. I got money burning a hole in my pocket, and civilian girls be trippin' right now
I thought I had one a while back but she was jacked up. Walked out immediately.[/QUOTE]