[QUOTE=Zipper34;2851197]Seems that my date who tried to rob me is on the news for this.[/QUOTE]Where's the link.
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[QUOTE=Zipper34;2851197]Seems that my date who tried to rob me is on the news for this.[/QUOTE]Where's the link.
[QUOTE=BigBluff;2849305]You know I'm down. SOA I guess I got your number wrong but hit me up if you still got mine. A meeting of the minds is a great thing![/QUOTE]Hit me up on the pm.
Always looking for new info. Plus I might have seen some of yall in the streets and just didn't know it. LOL.
[QUOTE=Zipper34;2851197]Seems that my date who tried to rob me is on the news for this.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/113630934-story[/URL]
This is who I ran into Tuesday night. She saw two guys before me. Anybody in here had the honor of meeting her?
[QUOTE=TallGuy3000;2841213]Can't you give us a hint where you found them? General location?[/QUOTE]
They're not hard to find. All he's sayin is dont go to Racetrack, Qt or corp places!
So the first place I looked. They were there. A Cheveron.
I happen to think there's better out there though!
Rhinos to me were like 4 times more powerful and last 3-4 days on a half capsul!
YMMV! Ha.
[QUOTE=MassagePerv;2851392]Rhinos to me were like 4 times more powerful and last 3-4 days on a half capsul!
YMMV! Ha.[/QUOTE]I get the same from Goriagra XXX. Closer to 4-5 hours to kick in, not one.
[QUOTE=MassagePerv;2851392]They're not hard to find. All he's sayin is dont go to Racetrack, Qt or corp places!
So the first place I looked. They were there. A Cheveron.
I happen to think there's better out there though!
Rhinos to me were like 4 times more powerful and last 3-4 days on a half capsul!
YMMV! Ha.[/QUOTE]Rhinos, the 5 and 7 variants in particular (which is all I've seen), apparently have a LOT more of the not-so-secret active ingredient, which sketches me out. My experience with plain old OTC allergy meds makes it real hard (LOL) to imagine a drug lasting for 3+ days not having some nasty dependency effects if used with any sort of regularity. Then again, you mentioned divvying the pill up, so that probably works to mitigate the hammerblow effect of that much active ingredient. More cost effective, too.
However, the FDA says Rhinos also contain an as-yet unlicensed SSRI-class (eg, antidepressant) chemical, dapoxetine. Which files Rhinos squarely under "nope" in my book. Here's the FDA's recall / warning on Rhinos 7 3000 for reference: [URL]http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm466502.htm[/URL].
It's worth pointing out that the Goldreallas I posted about within the past few weeks got the same sort of FDA recall / warning, but they apparently don't contain the extra SSRI chems. So it's just a plain old unlicensed viagra / cialis clone. Making it more worthy of a dice roll in my opinion.
Still: if something works for you, that's what counts. Find what you like and rock that shit LOL.
[QUOTE=SonOfAnarchy;2843714]Long overdue but I think a board meeting is in order. Central location so everybody can't get too. I saw we get up at a hooters on a Friday night and chop up some mentals.[/QUOTE]I'm game let me know a day or so in advance and I should be able to ride over. SoA hit me via PM.
This seems to be the best place to put a question like this.
How many of you all have checked out the Loft nightclub? Gone to Swinging Atlanta events? Experience? Have a good time? Get your whistle wetted? Wick dipped? Shut-out no-hitter?
I'm thinking about it, you see. It would be cheaper than escorts ($40 for a membership, and then ten bucks' door fee), but the question is how reliable one's chances there are. Obviously going during some event or other increases one's chances, like the Flesh and Fetish Ball. Just wondering if it's worth it. It's definitely a little safer, LEO wise, than escorts as you aren't breaking any law by engaging in consensual fucking around in a club.
[QUOTE=GsuFan07;2863241]This seems to be the best place to put a question like this.
How many of you all have checked out the Loft nightclub? Gone to Swinging Atlanta events? Experience? Have a good time? Get your whistle wetted? Wick dipped? Shut-out no-hitter?
I'm thinking about it, you see. It would be cheaper than escorts ($40 for a membership, and then ten bucks' door fee), but the question is how reliable one's chances there are. Obviously going during some event or other increases one's chances, like the Flesh and Fetish Ball. Just wondering if it's worth it. It's definitely a little safer, LEO wise, than escorts as you aren't breaking any law by engaging in consensual fucking around in a club.[/QUOTE]I've been to their daytime parties a few times. Each day has a different theme and I've been on Tuesdays and Thursdays. For the daytime parties, they have a "host" and you basically just gang bang the host. I've been once when there was another couple, but they were doing their own thing. Lindsey hosts on Tuesday and she is a very nice older lady. I'd categorize her as older than MILF, but definitely under 60 and a lot of fun. Raquel hosts on Thursday and she is an older hard body that likely has a drinking problem since she has always been wasted when I've seen her in the middle of the day. I think she is around 50, but you wouldn't know it to look at her. Raquel has the honor of being the only person I've encountered that truly gave a bad BBBJ. I still had teeth marks the next day. Pretty much everything seems to be on the table with most of the hosts, but I have been when they had a special host and all I got was a HJ. All of the action takes place out in the open with other guys around waiting on you to finish, but you may show up at a slow time and be the only guy there besides the staff. I've had fun and not so much fun, but it is definitely cheaper than paying a lady. I'm guessing their night time parties are different and probably have more couples, but I think they still have the hosts so I would expect that you could get some action as long as you are patient.
[QUOTE=GsuFan07;2863241]This seems to be the best place to put a question like this.
How many of you all have checked out the Loft nightclub? Gone to Swinging Atlanta events? Experience? Have a good time? Get your whistle wetted? Wick dipped? Shut-out no-hitter?
I'm thinking about it, you see. It would be cheaper than escorts ($40 for a membership, and then ten bucks' door fee), but the question is how reliable one's chances there are. Obviously going during some event or other increases one's chances, like the Flesh and Fetish Ball. Just wondering if it's worth it. It's definitely a little safer, LEO wise, than escorts as you aren't breaking any law by engaging in consensual fucking around in a club.[/QUOTE]You are right about getting the most for your cash. This spot is a hit or miss. Some days, its popping and other days, your only bang is the host. Around 10 other guys watching.
I would try to go on Thursday night, MILF night, its cheaper and give you a feel of what the club is like. Then I would check out Friday, Saturday, and probably Sunday night.
The key to getting the most out of your money is to socialize. This way, you can build your own network of women that you can pick and bang.
Not a bad place to check out, just go in knowing that it can be a hit or miss.
Her instagram pictures make her look attractive while her mugshots literally revealed how hideous she truly looks.
[QUOTE=Zipper34;2851376][URL]http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/113630934-story[/URL]
This is who I ran into Tuesday night. She saw two guys before me. Anybody in here had the honor of meeting her?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BigMoney21;2870519]Her instagram pictures make her look attractive while her mugshots literally revealed how hideous she truly looks.[/QUOTE]Heroin can make a person have many different faces.
[QUOTE=GsuFan07;2863241]This seems to be the best place to put a question like this.
How many of you all have checked out the Loft nightclub? Gone to Swinging Atlanta events? Experience? Have a good time? Get your whistle wetted? Wick dipped? Shut-out no-hitter?
I'm thinking about it, you see. It would be cheaper than escorts ($40 for a membership, and then ten bucks' door fee), but the question is how reliable one's chances there are. Obviously going during some event or other increases one's chances, like the Flesh and Fetish Ball. Just wondering if it's worth it. It's definitely a little safer, LEO wise, than escorts as you aren't breaking any law by engaging in consensual fucking around in a club.[/QUOTE]I go there regularly. For some reason, Sunday evening is a complete waste of time. People are just socializing, and not doing much action from my experience. MILF / Cougar night every other Thursday is the best option. Check the schedule for the right week. Every other week is Tranny night. The daytime parties are good for a quick bang of the host. Friday / Saturday is he best chance of snagging a couple or single woman, but be aware that most are looking for other couples.
It was mentioned about the two regular hosts. Raquel used to give a great BBBJ with CIM, but she had an accident of some sort that fucked up her jaw, so now she gives you too much teeth. She is batshit crazy and has a drinking problem, but she has a good body (she is 55 and has a great hard body). She is a given. If she is there, she will fuck you, and she is a freak. The problem is that when she starts drinking, she starts talking crazy nonsense, and you have to bring her back around to the topic of fucking. She will take on every guy in the room. The last time I fucked her, she wanted me to cum on her. I pulled out, she rolled over, and I blasted a big load across her face. Before I had my zipper up, she had another guy pounding her.
Lindsey is a good fuck. She seems to have a preference for black men, but everyone is welcome to ride. If she is fucking, go ahead and get in on it, because she tends to "get tired" and quit after a while.
To sum it up, if it is a busy night, it is hard to leave without getting laid. On a slow night, it depends on which host.
Anyone familiar with ToSluts and escortpolice?
ToSluts sounds like really bad erotic fiction like the writer wanted to write books but writes bs reviews.
And escortpolice I can't put my finger on. Are mongers supplying info to the site. Just seems like it aggregates girls numbers from ads at random.
I did not come up with this list, but saw it posted elsewhere and decided to post it here.
Look, bottom line is that paying for a rubdown, dancing, stripping or some other service is NOT illegal. You can pay a girl to read Emily Dickinson to you if you want. If that heats you up. If you want to talk to all of your potential dates about illegal things that include "sex acts for money," then hey, have at it! Yeah, in those cases, you would have said whatever LE needs you to say in order to make an arrest, so look to end up on the evening news. But if you have an agreement with your date for a rub or dancing then what happens after that might be hard to prove was paid for.
Not that I have omnipotent observations but. Me thinks the decoy / cop is going to try to get you to say some form of "sex for money" in their presence. Often there are two girls in the room which IMHO is a red flag for a couple of reasons. Also assume that the room is bugged. Have not seen cases where phone conversations or emails were used as the "proof" for solicitation without the dude offering "sex for money" in person. Connecting a 'voice on a phone,' a phone number or emails with the live person standing in the room would require the kind of time (warrants, subpoena) that just aren't worth it for a misdemeanor. But hey, call or text them from your cell phone registered in your name and by all means carry that phone into the date! NOT!
So here are my 22 Rules for Dating off BP? Can you take short cuts from all this work? Sure and you can become a statistic too.
1) Look at the pics. If it is too good to be true (TGTBT), then it probably is. Top pros with websites and Eros level prices are usually the exception.
2) Check out the images. Use Tineye or Google Image.
3) What do the pictures tell you? Traveler? Regular poster? Fake pictures?
4) Fake pictures are ones that are borrowed from another website. Fake pics are also pro level shots "altered" to look amateur like. If you can't tell the difference. Back off and watch the posts for 3-months until your eye is trained.
5) Travelers, while they maybe legit and good dates can tend to have low incentive to provide a great date under the hit & run philosophy. If your not looking for repeat clients because your gone in a week, then level of service isn't of concern. Also watch for Vegas and NV area codes! You want to avoid the hardcore pro girls who know how to separate you from your hard earned cash.
6) Check the girl's number with a search engine or one of the Escort Phone number search sites. Ibid all of the above.
7) Check for reviews of the girl on USA, TER or other review type sites.
8) NEVER call a potential date from your regular cell phone that has your name, address, etc, attached to it!
8) Have a Google Voice account set up. USE IT!
9) Use a burner or hobby phone with the GV.
10) Don't buy a hobby phone with a credit card, ATM card or debit card, don't set it up with your name, address, etc.
11) When contacting the girl, be polite, know your spending limits.
12) Ask the girl about the value of her time for a massage, rubdown, dancing or reading poetry to you!
13) NEVER ask about specific acts and / or the cost of such.
14) Any girl that says it is $100 for a s*ck & f*ck is breaking the law and is either a cop or is incredibly ignorant. I'd avoid both.
15) If meeting a girl at a hotel / motel get there well in advance and do some recon. See a bunch of unmarked cars in the lot? Any vans with tinted windows and people inside? Any buses or meat packing style trucks around? When approaching the room what does one hear in the hallway from the other rooms. Bunch of cops shooting the breeze, interrogating the last suspect? What happens if you walk past the door and return a few minutes later?
16) When entering the room. Is there more than one girl there? Better ask about that right away. Consider leaving.
17) Check the rest of the room or suite for other people. More than just the girl is a red flag. Check for an unlocked adjoining door.
18) When closing the door, add the security chain or throw the safety bar. Can't imagine a cop allowing them self to be cut-off from outside help like that.
19) Ask to do the cop check thing and do a verbal play-by-play! Say, "Oh yer pussy feels so wet", or "Oh your hand on my hard di*ck feels nice!" If the prosecutor is going to use a tape to nab you, might as well get embarrassing evidence included.
20) Never take anything into the date that you don't want to loose or have used against you. Suggest carrying just the Poetry Reading Fee, your copy of Emily Dickinson and a car key. Period. No cell phones, no wads of cash, no expensive jewelry, no high-priced watches, etc.
21) NEVER TALK SEX FOR MONEY! Never hand the money to the girl! Lay it on a table, TV, counter, etc, away from the girl with NO comment. You can look at it, just do not talk about it. Some slick ways to do this is have it in an envelop with the words, "fee for reading poetry" written on it. You can use the bathroom and leave it in there and then ask the girl to check something in the bathroom for you.
22) If she makes statements about sex for money, before she is fully naked and holding yer Johnson, say "I have no idea what your talking about, I came for a rub, dancing, poetry reading and turn and leave.
23. NEVER pay up front! By this I mean never put the money in the girls control until she has finished the poetry reading! If she is coming to you, she can pay the driver on the way home! Pay him now and what incentive does he have to stick around? It makes zero sense. Girls who have been ripped off before often want to see that you have the money before they will read. This is a distrusting soul so beware. That distrust can bleed over into other areas of the date.
When I have been asked for the money, I am glad to show them that I have the Poetry Reading Fee. I'll fan the bills out so she can count them while maintaining a firm grip. I watch for her grabbing for the fee. (she does that and I am gone) That usually satisfies most girls. Then the fee goes back in my pocket until the last Sonnet is verbalized. For others, I might lay the fee out in the open, on a TV, bed stand, chair etc. , with the provision that she gets the fee once the reading is over. IN ADDITION I make sure I remain between her and the fee at all times. So it makes sense to place the fee closer to the door than to the bathroom. She might legitimately head to the Bathroom during the date, but heading the other direction can only be for the cash. Shoot, once I actually placed the fee on the floor right next to the door after I secured the safety bar.
I had one girl, a former stripper, insist that I pay her up front. I tried showing her the money, laying it out and a few other things. When that didn't work, I gathered myself up and headed out the door. (doing that usually injects a bunch of reason in the girl) Oh sure in this extreme case she was arguing with me for 15-minutes about paying up front. Once I was in the car and turning the key, she realized she was going to get nothing, she relented. But the bottom line is. If you are NOT willing to walk away, you can become a victim. Always be willing to walk if she isn't reasonable! Anyone doing a scam is going to insist you play her game, refuse & walk away and she out games herself.
Finally. Any interjection of a third party into things is the recipe for disaster. The girl doesn't need to pay the baby sitter up front, the driver before she is returned home, give her friend money for groceries or pay for the room first. All of these are set ups for possible scams. Once the money leaves your control, you have no control over the date and are vulnerable to a scam.
Had some girl tell me her process was to give the money paid up front to her friend, since she had been ripped off before. I didn't bite and she tried every way possible to get me to pay something up front. In this case, I was picking her up for a date. Oh sure, she promised to leave her phone, jewelry or something else of value as collateral so that she would come back after handing her friend the money. Problem is this is a bad trade. Usually what is left as "collateral" turns out to be worthless junk. A $20 cellphone, costume jewelry, etc. She leaves a phone and if she reports it stolen and it gets locked. What value is it? So the "leaving collateral" is a trade: she is trading up and you are trading down.
Also in the pick the girl up scenario. If you pay her up front, she can jump out of the car at the first stop sign or traffic light. Even worse for you is if she does that and screams rape or that you beat her. Her having the fee up front and the BF can bust in the room or make a scene where you want to leave as fast as possible. Sure these are extreme cases, but anyone insisting on being paid up front is more likely to exhibit those behaviors. Don't play this game, just don't pay up front!
Can you follow all of these rules and still get arrested? Sure. Anything can happen. But if you follow these rules the chances of anything sticking are pretty darn slim.
Play safe, play knowledgeable.
Happy hunting!
These are just the best I could come up with. I hope others with more experience will add to the list.
[QUOTE=JesusPrice;2875486]Anyone familiar with ToSluts and escortpolice?
ToSluts sounds like really bad erotic fiction like the writer wanted to write books but writes bs reviews.
And escortpolice I can't put my finger on. Are mongers supplying info to the site. Just seems like it aggregates girls numbers from ads at random.[/QUOTE]They're fake.
The "police" sites are just clickbait for nervous mongers.
O.
[QUOTE=Ozymandias;2875794]They're fake.
The "police" sites are just clickbait for nervous mongers.
O.[/QUOTE]So, what are those police sites for? Seems a waste unless the site owners are somehow making money.
It was plenty of times I've called a girl (backpage provider) from a page plus or tracfone # and they panic about what my real name is and weres my actual location. With the metro pcs cellphones they actually have a caller I'd linked into it and it can see your real actual name and sometimes address. And until I get a new burner, I more than likely will not be hooking up with chicks off BP nor trying to trust chicken head broads who might try to snitch on you when the time is right. I try to avoid any form of BP outcalls to the best of my abilities, mainly because some women are not into the business of doing honest work. I knew several women who worked off FIB and who was using fake pictures and they used to run the out call scam thing constantly.
[QUOTE=NuGuy36;2875718]I did not come up with this list, but saw it posted elsewhere and decided to post it here.
Look, bottom line is that paying for a rubdown, dancing, stripping or some other service is NOT illegal. You can pay a girl to read Emily Dickinson to you if you want. If that heats you up. If you want to talk to all of your potential dates about illegal things that include "sex acts for money," then hey, have at it! Yeah, in those cases, you would have said whatever LE needs you to say in order to make an arrest, so look to end up on the evening news. But if you have an agreement with your date for a rub or dancing then what happens after that might be hard to prove was paid for.
Not that I have omnipotent observations but. Me thinks the decoy / cop is going to try to get you to say some form of "sex for money" in their presence. Often there are two girls in the room which IMHO is a red flag for a couple of reasons. Also assume that the room is bugged. Have not seen cases where phone conversations or emails were used as the "proof" for solicitation without the dude offering "sex for money" in person. Connecting a 'voice on a phone,' a phone number or emails with the live person standing in the room would require the kind of time (warrants, subpoena) that just aren't worth it for a misdemeanor. But hey, call or text them from your cell phone registered in your name and by all means carry that phone into the date! NOT!
So here are my 22 Rules for Dating off BP? Can you take short cuts from all this work? Sure and you can become a statistic too.
1) Look at the pics. If it is too good to be true (TGTBT), then it probably is. Top pros with websites and Eros level prices are usually the exception.
2) Check out the images. Use Tineye or Google Image.
3) What do the pictures tell you? Traveler? Regular poster? Fake pictures?
4) Fake pictures are ones that are borrowed from another website. Fake pics are also pro level shots "altered" to look amateur like. If you can't tell the difference. Back off and watch the posts for 3-months until your eye is trained.
5) Travelers, while they maybe legit and good dates can tend to have low incentive to provide a great date under the hit & run philosophy. If your not looking for repeat clients because your gone in a week, then level of service isn't of concern. Also watch for Vegas and NV area codes! You want to avoid the hardcore pro girls who know how to separate you from your hard earned cash.
6) Check the girl's number with a search engine or one of the Escort Phone number search sites. Ibid all of the above.
7) Check for reviews of the girl on USA, TER or other review type sites.
8) NEVER call a potential date from your regular cell phone that has your name, address, etc, attached to it!
8) Have a Google Voice account set up. USE IT!
9) Use a burner or hobby phone with the GV.
10) Don't buy a hobby phone with a credit card, ATM card or debit card, don't set it up with your name, address, etc.
11) When contacting the girl, be polite, know your spending limits.
12) Ask the girl about the value of her time for a massage, rubdown, dancing or reading poetry to you!
13) NEVER ask about specific acts and / or the cost of such.
14) Any girl that says it is $100 for a s*ck & f*ck is breaking the law and is either a cop or is incredibly ignorant. I'd avoid both.
15) If meeting a girl at a hotel / motel get there well in advance and do some recon. See a bunch of unmarked cars in the lot? Any vans with tinted windows and people inside? Any buses or meat packing style trucks around? When approaching the room what does one hear in the hallway from the other rooms. Bunch of cops shooting the breeze, interrogating the last suspect? What happens if you walk past the door and return a few minutes later?
16) When entering the room. Is there more than one girl there? Better ask about that right away. Consider leaving.
17) Check the rest of the room or suite for other people. More than just the girl is a red flag. Check for an unlocked adjoining door.
18) When closing the door, add the security chain or throw the safety bar. Can't imagine a cop allowing them self to be cut-off from outside help like that.
19) Ask to do the cop check thing and do a verbal play-by-play! Say, "Oh yer pussy feels so wet", or "Oh your hand on my hard di*ck feels nice!" If the prosecutor is going to use a tape to nab you, might as well get embarrassing evidence included.
20) Never take anything into the date that you don't want to loose or have used against you. Suggest carrying just the Poetry Reading Fee, your copy of Emily Dickinson and a car key. Period. No cell phones, no wads of cash, no expensive jewelry, no high-priced watches, etc.
21) NEVER TALK SEX FOR MONEY! Never hand the money to the girl! Lay it on a table, TV, counter, etc, away from the girl with NO comment. You can look at it, just do not talk about it. Some slick ways to do this is have it in an envelop with the words, "fee for reading poetry" written on it. You can use the bathroom and leave it in there and then ask the girl to check something in the bathroom for you.
22) If she makes statements about sex for money, before she is fully naked and holding yer Johnson, say "I have no idea what your talking about, I came for a rub, dancing, poetry reading and turn and leave.
23. NEVER pay up front! By this I mean never put the money in the girls control until she has finished the poetry reading! If she is coming to you, she can pay the driver on the way home! Pay him now and what incentive does he have to stick around? It makes zero sense. Girls who have been ripped off before often want to see that you have the money before they will read. This is a distrusting soul so beware. That distrust can bleed over into other areas of the date.
When I have been asked for the money, I am glad to show them that I have the Poetry Reading Fee. I'll fan the bills out so she can count them while maintaining a firm grip. I watch for her grabbing for the fee. (she does that and I am gone) That usually satisfies most girls. Then the fee goes back in my pocket until the last Sonnet is verbalized. For others, I might lay the fee out in the open, on a TV, bed stand, chair etc. , with the provision that she gets the fee once the reading is over. IN ADDITION I make sure I remain between her and the fee at all times. So it makes sense to place the fee closer to the door than to the bathroom. She might legitimately head to the Bathroom during the date, but heading the other direction can only be for the cash. Shoot, once I actually placed the fee on the floor right next to the door after I secured the safety bar.
I had one girl, a former stripper, insist that I pay her up front. I tried showing her the money, laying it out and a few other things. When that didn't work, I gathered myself up and headed out the door. (doing that usually injects a bunch of reason in the girl) Oh sure in this extreme case she was arguing with me for 15-minutes about paying up front. Once I was in the car and turning the key, she realized she was going to get nothing, she relented. But the bottom line is. If you are NOT willing to walk away, you can become a victim. Always be willing to walk if she isn't reasonable! Anyone doing a scam is going to insist you play her game, refuse & walk away and she out games herself.
Finally. Any interjection of a third party into things is the recipe for disaster. The girl doesn't need to pay the baby sitter up front, the driver before she is returned home, give her friend money for groceries or pay for the room first. All of these are set ups for possible scams. Once the money leaves your control, you have no control over the date and are vulnerable to a scam.
Had some girl tell me her process was to give the money paid up front to her friend, since she had been ripped off before. I didn't bite and she tried every way possible to get me to pay something up front. In this case, I was picking her up for a date. Oh sure, she promised to leave her phone, jewelry or something else of value as collateral so that she would come back after handing her friend the money. Problem is this is a bad trade. Usually what is left as "collateral" turns out to be worthless junk. A $20 cellphone, costume jewelry, etc. She leaves a phone and if she reports it stolen and it gets locked. What value is it? So the "leaving collateral" is a trade: she is trading up and you are trading down.
Also in the pick the girl up scenario. If you pay her up front, she can jump out of the car at the first stop sign or traffic light. Even worse for you is if she does that and screams rape or that you beat her. Her having the fee up front and the BF can bust in the room or make a scene where you want to leave as fast as possible. Sure these are extreme cases, but anyone insisting on being paid up front is more likely to exhibit those behaviors. Don't play this game, just don't pay up front!
Can you follow all of these rules and still get arrested? Sure. Anything can happen. But if you follow these rules the chances of anything sticking are pretty darn slim.
Play safe, play knowledgeable.
Happy hunting!
These are just the best I could come up with. I hope others with more experience will add to the list.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NuGuy36;2875718]Always be willing to walk.[/QUOTE]Absolutely.
[QUOTE=NuGuy36;2875718]I did not come up with this list, but saw it posted elsewhere and decided to post it here.
Look, bottom line is that paying for a rubdown, dancing, stripping or some other service is NOT illegal. You can pay a girl to read Emily Dickinson to you if you want. If that heats you up. If you want to talk to all of your potential dates about illegal things that include "sex acts for money," then hey, have at it! Yeah, in those cases, you would have said whatever LE needs you to say in order to make an arrest, so look to end up on the evening news. But if you have an agreement with your date for a rub or dancing then what happens after that might be hard to prove was paid for.
Not that I have omnipotent observations but. Me thinks the decoy / cop is going to try to get you to say some form of "sex for money" in their presence. Often there are two girls in the room which IMHO is a red flag for a couple of reasons. Also assume that the room is bugged. Have not seen cases where phone conversations or emails were used as the "proof" for solicitation without the dude offering "sex for money" in person. Connecting a 'voice on a phone,' a phone number or emails with the live person standing in the room would require the kind of time (warrants, subpoena) that just aren't worth it for a misdemeanor. But hey, call or text them from your cell phone registered in your name and by all means carry that phone into the date! NOT!
So here are my 22 Rules for Dating off BP? Can you take short cuts from all this work? Sure and you can become a statistic too.
1) Look at the pics. If it is too good to be true (TGTBT), then it probably is. Top pros with websites and Eros level prices are usually the exception.
2) Check out the images. Use Tineye or Google Image.
3) What do the pictures tell you? Traveler? Regular poster? Fake pictures?
4) Fake pictures are ones that are borrowed from another website. Fake pics are also pro level shots "altered" to look amateur like. If you can't tell the difference. Back off and watch the posts for 3-months until your eye is trained.
5) Travelers, while they maybe legit and good dates can tend to have low incentive to provide a great date under the hit & run philosophy. If your not looking for repeat clients because your gone in a week, then level of service isn't of concern. Also watch for Vegas and NV area codes! You want to avoid the hardcore pro girls who know how to separate you from your hard earned cash.
6) Check the girl's number with a search engine or one of the Escort Phone number search sites. Ibid all of the above.
7) Check for reviews of the girl on USA, TER or other review type sites.
8) NEVER call a potential date from your regular cell phone that has your name, address, etc, attached to it!
8) Have a Google Voice account set up. USE IT!
9) Use a burner or hobby phone with the GV.
10) Don't buy a hobby phone with a credit card, ATM card or debit card, don't set it up with your name, address, etc.
11) When contacting the girl, be polite, know your spending limits.
12) Ask the girl about the value of her time for a massage, rubdown, dancing or reading poetry to you!
13) NEVER ask about specific acts and / or the cost of such.
14) Any girl that says it is $100 for a s*ck & f*ck is breaking the law and is either a cop or is incredibly ignorant. I'd avoid both.
15) If meeting a girl at a hotel / motel get there well in advance and do some recon. See a bunch of unmarked cars in the lot? Any vans with tinted windows and people inside? Any buses or meat packing style trucks around? When approaching the room what does one hear in the hallway from the other rooms. Bunch of cops shooting the breeze, interrogating the last suspect? What happens if you walk past the door and return a few minutes later?
16) When entering the room. Is there more than one girl there? Better ask about that right away. Consider leaving.
17) Check the rest of the room or suite for other people. More than just the girl is a red flag. Check for an unlocked adjoining door.
18) When closing the door, add the security chain or throw the safety bar. Can't imagine a cop allowing them self to be cut-off from outside help like that.
19) Ask to do the cop check thing and do a verbal play-by-play! Say, "Oh yer pussy feels so wet", or "Oh your hand on my hard di*ck feels nice!" If the prosecutor is going to use a tape to nab you, might as well get embarrassing evidence included.
20) Never take anything into the date that you don't want to loose or have used against you. Suggest carrying just the Poetry Reading Fee, your copy of Emily Dickinson and a car key. Period. No cell phones, no wads of cash, no expensive jewelry, no high-priced watches, etc.
21) NEVER TALK SEX FOR MONEY! Never hand the money to the girl! Lay it on a table, TV, counter, etc, away from the girl with NO comment. You can look at it, just do not talk about it. Some slick ways to do this is have it in an envelop with the words, "fee for reading poetry" written on it. You can use the bathroom and leave it in there and then ask the girl to check something in the bathroom for you.
22) If she makes statements about sex for money, before she is fully naked and holding yer Johnson, say "I have no idea what your talking about, I came for a rub, dancing, poetry reading and turn and leave.
23. NEVER pay up front! By this I mean never put the money in the girls control until she has finished the poetry reading! If she is coming to you, she can pay the driver on the way home! Pay him now and what incentive does he have to stick around? It makes zero sense. Girls who have been ripped off before often want to see that you have the money before they will read. This is a distrusting soul so beware. That distrust can bleed over into other areas of the date.
When I have been asked for the money, I am glad to show them that I have the Poetry Reading Fee. I'll fan the bills out so she can count them while maintaining a firm grip. I watch for her grabbing for the fee. (she does that and I am gone) That usually satisfies most girls. Then the fee goes back in my pocket until the last Sonnet is verbalized. For others, I might lay the fee out in the open, on a TV, bed stand, chair etc. , with the provision that she gets the fee once the reading is over. IN ADDITION I make sure I remain between her and the fee at all times. So it makes sense to place the fee closer to the door than to the bathroom. She might legitimately head to the Bathroom during the date, but heading the other direction can only be for the cash. Shoot, once I actually placed the fee on the floor right next to the door after I secured the safety bar.
I had one girl, a former stripper, insist that I pay her up front. I tried showing her the money, laying it out and a few other things. When that didn't work, I gathered myself up and headed out the door. (doing that usually injects a bunch of reason in the girl) Oh sure in this extreme case she was arguing with me for 15-minutes about paying up front. Once I was in the car and turning the key, she realized she was going to get nothing, she relented. But the bottom line is. If you are NOT willing to walk away, you can become a victim. Always be willing to walk if she isn't reasonable! Anyone doing a scam is going to insist you play her game, refuse & walk away and she out games herself.
Finally. Any interjection of a third party into things is the recipe for disaster. The girl doesn't need to pay the baby sitter up front, the driver before she is returned home, give her friend money for groceries or pay for the room first. All of these are set ups for possible scams. Once the money leaves your control, you have no control over the date and are vulnerable to a scam.
Had some girl tell me her process was to give the money paid up front to her friend, since she had been ripped off before. I didn't bite and she tried every way possible to get me to pay something up front. In this case, I was picking her up for a date. Oh sure, she promised to leave her phone, jewelry or something else of value as collateral so that she would come back after handing her friend the money. Problem is this is a bad trade. Usually what is left as "collateral" turns out to be worthless junk. A $20 cellphone, costume jewelry, etc. She leaves a phone and if she reports it stolen and it gets locked. What value is it? So the "leaving collateral" is a trade: she is trading up and you are trading down.
Also in the pick the girl up scenario. If you pay her up front, she can jump out of the car at the first stop sign or traffic light. Even worse for you is if she does that and screams rape or that you beat her. Her having the fee up front and the BF can bust in the room or make a scene where you want to leave as fast as possible. Sure these are extreme cases, but anyone insisting on being paid up front is more likely to exhibit those behaviors. Don't play this game, just don't pay up front!
Can you follow all of these rules and still get arrested? Sure. Anything can happen. But if you follow these rules the chances of anything sticking are pretty darn slim.
Play safe, play knowledgeable.
Happy hunting!
These are just the best I could come up with. I hope others with more experience will add to the list.[/QUOTE]Overall great advice but can't agree with the money thing. Most providers will want to hide it somewhere before doing the deed.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2876025]So, what are those police sites for? Seems a waste unless the site owners are somehow making money.[/QUOTE]I don't know, I never really bothered to look at them.
If I ran a scam escort bust site, I would have one of two (or maybe both) objectives: (1) to get mongers to sign up so I can capture their credit card in a rebill process or (2) to follow up with contact to the escort with an offer to remove her from the bust site for a fee (or service, or whatever).
They stick around, so it must work!
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- I only meet with them if they have reviews. Either personal reviews or I can search her phone number for reviews. If not I may call her to feel her out to see if I see any red flags.
- If she says on her profile that she only want to see men from a certain ethnic group or a certain age bracket she probably isn't the police. I don't think the police want to discriminate on who they are targeting. They do not want to be in court saying they only targeted black men over 35, for example.
- if her hotel room door is inside a hotel I always wear a baseball cap and look down like I'm playing with my phone so any cameras in the hotel will not have a direct shot of my face.
- I get to the location early and do a 1/4 mile radius search of the location. I drive around and check out any stores / businesses next to the hotel to look for any suspicious.
- If the price is too good to be true don't go. If she is a dime in her pictures and only charging $50 for sex, run.
These are my simple rules.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2877339]Overall great advice but can't agree with the money thing. Most providers will want to hide it somewhere before doing the deed.[/QUOTE]Agree with Niteluvr. Every one I've visited asks for it in hand before they do anything. Last time I saw one, it was a repeat visit, she didn't ask for the money but I had already pulled it out and put it down on the other bed, so I imagine she sized up the wad and figured she was good. Every other time they take it and put it in their purse or whatever, though one called a friend and gave it to her to go "pay the rent". I've only gotten taken for a ride (in the lamentably non-literal sense of the term) once. So I'm pretty sure the whole "flash them the bills and don't give them anything until you leave" doesn't apply to everybody.
In Orange county California, they have these coffee places that are like Hooters / Starbucks. I would like to start up a Chinese Coffee Shops on the same theme. I don't think we have enough Vietnamese girls here in Atlanta but we got a ton of young Chinese to make it a go. I'd start with a few of the massage girls. Do I have any investors?
Just found some at a gas station. Which ones are better? Red pack or black xxx pack?
The xxx are stronger.
[QUOTE=HeadHunting;2894241]Just found some at a gas station. Which ones are better? Red pack or black xxx pack?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jj3000;2894455]The xxx are stronger.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Ill see how the red one I bought works out and maybe try the black in the future.
[QUOTE=LuvThemTugs;2892141]In Orange county California, they have these coffee places that are like Hooters / Starbucks. I would like to start up a Chinese Coffee Shops on the same theme. I don't think we have enough Vietnamese girls here in Atlanta but we got a ton of young Chinese to make it a go. I'd start with a few of the massage girls. Do I have any investors?[/QUOTE]Can't afford to invest, unfortunately. Too bad the A doesn't have more south east Asians. I have a thing for girls from the phils, vietnam, and Thailand. If I ever find a sugarbaby that looks like Tina Nguyen, I might have to stop mongering.
Just left the south side area (G road) (old Nat) (Roosevelt) (WC) and uncle LEO's presence was real heavy.
[QUOTE=HeadHunting;2895357]Can't afford to invest, unfortunately. Too bad the A doesn't have more south east Asians. I have a thing for girls from the phils, vietnam, and Thailand. If I ever find a sugarbaby that looks like Tina Nguyen, I might have to stop mongering.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of SE Asian ladies in the area, just not in P4 P settings. I love Cambodian women more than Vietnamese but will take a Viet lady any day. I hit on them at the Asian supermarkets in the area.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2899050]There are plenty of SE Asian ladies in the area, just not in P4 P settings. I love Cambodian women more than Vietnamese but will take a Viet lady any day. I hit on them at the Asian supermarkets in the area.[/QUOTE]I see them very few and far between. Mostly in g county, buford hwy, a hookah bar, or just randomly in traffic. Nothing like Cali where they're all over. I need to get a passport.
The ads on this site catch my attention from time to time. Two by the name scroguard and liquid lap dance. Wondering if any of why'all have used those products? PM if necessary.
So these Goldreallas XXX continue to serve (really) well, but a 500 mg dose seems to be a bit much. Even though it's unclear exactly how much of the active-but-undisclosed ingredient they contain.
Anybody got any recs for a 50 mg or 100 mg OTC source of that active-but-undisclosed ingredient?
[QUOTE=JWSouth;2902395]So these Goldreallas XXX continue to serve (really) well, but a 500 mg dose seems to be a bit much. Even though it's unclear exactly how much of the active-but-undisclosed ingredient they contain.
Anybody got any recs for a 50 mg or 100 mg OTC source of that active-but-undisclosed ingredient?[/QUOTE]Would like to know where to find these things without having to go to every two-bit gas station in Metro Atlanta. Any help will be appreciated. I've never tried these things but I'm hearing so much about them that I am going to give them a try, IF I can ever find where they are sold.
[QUOTE=JWSouth;2902395]So these Goldreallas XXX continue to serve (really) well, but a 500 mg dose seems to be a bit much. Even though it's unclear exactly how much of the active-but-undisclosed ingredient they contain.
Anybody got any recs for a 50 mg or 100 mg OTC source of that active-but-undisclosed ingredient?[/QUOTE]Why not take either a half or one-fourth?
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2905548]Why not take either a half or one-fourth?[/QUOTE]Well, laziness I guess. They're capsules, not tablets, so I'd have to pop one open and divvy it up. Which I suppose is perfectly doable, but like I said: laziness.
I'd rather just find something ready to go at a lower dosage, even if I'm paying more per mg or whatever. I'm finding that most of my extracurricular opportunities where I'd consider juicing up JW Jr are shorter windows than the 2-to-4-ish hours of "Mjolnir, Cock of Thor!" that 500 mg delivers.
I found that breaking my boner stiffeners in half, then chasing it with a cold Pepsi Max works on me in 15 minutes. The Black Ant King I buy (10 for $22) at a health food store, net cost about a buck ten per hit. Same active ingredient as Viagra, or so says the FDA warning notice. A shade over a dollar ain't bad for some firm up help in the fun department!
[QUOTE=Bigsqueeze;2906146]I found that breaking my boner stiffeners in half, then chasing it with a cold Pepsi Max works on me in 15 minutes. The Black Ant King I buy (10 for $22) at a health food store, net cost about a buck ten per hit. Same active ingredient as Viagra, or so says the FDA warning notice. A shade over a dollar ain't bad for some firm up help in the fun department![/QUOTE]They work fast when you snort them. And then chase them with any Coke product.