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Dude,

Charge it to the game. That you have to do so much planning and drama is unfortunate. Given your circumstance, you might better consider making some life changes (why so much ducking and diving) or seek longer term situations. I hate to say it, but for the pool your playing in, I believe you have unrealistic expectations. Again, charge it to the game, or play in a different pool. Seek LTRs.

[QUOTE=Hitthat; 1086666]Once again, and for the benefit of the providers which read this forum, it really turns people against you when you make an appointment, tell us to you will call back, and then that's the last we hear from you. I agree with UCF guy that a phone call that tells us you can't make it would be very helpful. Even if you are "creeped out" or think we are LEO.

Not sure about others, but due to personal circumstances, I have a semi-narrow window in which to make these rendezvous work, as well as have to plan these adventures several days in advance. I plan those days carefully, creating necessary alibis, etc, and look forward to them. In my case, I make an hour trip to O-town with this in mind. When I have been treated in the way that UCF guy was treated, with no return calls, it become extremely frustrating and would make me want to post a similar report.

I, too, believe in complete respect with whomever I am hooking up with, beginning to end. I'm sure that providers appreciate that. In the same way, please respect those of us who are trying to meet with you.

This I can tell you. I've had some providers call and cancel for various reason, most of which I don't believe. However, they've called nonetheless. I've given them the benefit of the doubt, and many times the next time worked out. But, I pretty much swear off those who don't bother doing so unless they have incredible reviews by many folks. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lookinfoit69; 1088305]Dude,

Charge it to the game. That you have to do so much planning and drama is unfortunate. Given your circumstance, you might better consider making some life changes (why so much ducking and diving) or seek longer term situations. I hate to say it, but for the pool your playing in, I believe you have unrealistic expectations. Again, charge it to the game, or play in a different pool. Seek LTRs. [/QUOTE]"Dude"

Thanks for your attempt at advise, albeit I think it is rather misguided. It is likely that if all the folks in my situation followed it, most of the providers would go hungry. I'm not so naive to think that the ladies who are in this "biz" are necessarily going to be reliable; however, when the opportunity presents itself, I am going to share my thoughts on the matter.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I suspect that a majority of people who utilize the services of the ladies mentioned on the forum are more than likely in my situation, I. E. LTR which doesn't make sense to get out of.

[QUOTE=Lookinfoit69; 1088305]Dude,

Charge it to the game. That you have to do so much planning and drama is unfortunate. Given your circumstance, you might better consider making some life changes (why so much ducking and diving) or seek longer term situations. I hate to say it, but for the pool your playing in, I believe you have unrealistic expectations. Again, charge it to the game, or play in a different pool. Seek LTRs. [/QUOTE]Let's be real guys. This isn't like making an appointment at your Mercedes dealership. Most of the providers in our Hobby are not in the business because they are smart, successful entrepeneurs. If a provider misses an appointment or fails to call you back, chaulk it up to their life-style not the quality of what will be provided. We don't engage their services because of their great business accumen, we are looking for some motion in the ocean to keep us satisfied. I've had air-head providers that miss appointments, but make up for it the next time. Comes with the territory and that's what LFI69 is saying.

Now if they provide shitty service. Upsell. Use fake (old) pictures. Kick them hard to the curb!

WOF

I have to give kudos to the gentleman (I can only assume) that posted this.

[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/rules-of-a-great-provider-45/4044032[/url]

This comes from a provider who has never had to change her name for whatever reason, has always used her own photos, and believes in "Truth in Advertising".

I can understand the frustration that arises from planning a playdate, only to have things fall through without so much as even a call or text message to cancel or reschedule. Unless a situation makes it impossible to do so, it comes down to simple business sense and respect, of course. Whether a lady truly has something come up or simply gets "creeped out". It doesn't help her reputation to just blow someone off (no pun intended LOL.

From my end. What this does to a provider such as myself when another provider behaves this way. It hurts my livelihood, along with all of the "fakes", cash and dashes, etc. You gents have invested time, spent money only to be ripped off, are left disheartened after the anticipation of getting away for a planned encounter, and now you're left wondering if you should even try again. I'm sorry this happens. But that's why sites like this exist. So homework can be done, and you can take the chance of TOFTT if you choose, but remember, if you do YMMV.

Happy Mongering Gents!

Xoxo L

Interesting thread. Some providers are more LTR oriented in terms of a business relationship. For example, katieluvsgfe really gets how to do it. She has cancelled on me a time or two, and I learned not to count on her for an early AM appointment. OTOH, she has managed to make me a return customer.

Not the same for some of these girls who blow off guys, offer unsafe appearing incall. Sometimes it takes them a while to figure the business part out so they get repeat customers. Those are the ones who are going to succeed at whatever they do. Unfortunately for us, they sometimes become high end providers (400+.

In the end, we are the customers and it is up to US to decide what we want. If we expect a provider to show up as promised and they don't, we can vote with our wallets. In an Obama-like "shellacking".

I guess my level of expectations are somewhat higher than yours. If we were talking about a street walker I'd agree and say what do you expect. But when we get to escorts where you're paying them a couple hundred bucks I don't think punctuality or just basic courtesy is too much to ask. Time is valuable. To my way of thnking time is THE most valuable commodity because once it is gone you can't get it back. I think a lot of this can be chaulked up to what they call the labeling theory in sociology and psychology. Basically people tend to perform to your level of expectations for them. So if we basically tell these girls through our actions that it is OK for them to jerk us around and waste our time guess what you're going to get. However if we set the bar higher I'm pretty sure most of the girls on backpage are capable of basic courtesy. And for those that are not, well they can always be street walkers!

[QUOTE=Worldsoffun; 1088343]Let's be real guys. This isn't like making an appointment at your Mercedes dealership. Most of the providers in our Hobby are not in the business because they are smart, successful entrepeneurs. If a provider misses an appointment or fails to call you back, chaulk it up to their life-style not the quality of what will be provided. We don't engage their services because of their great business accumen, we are looking for some motion in the ocean to keep us satisfied. I've had air-head providers that miss appointments, but make up for it the next time. Comes with the territory and that's what LFI69 is saying.

Now if they provide shitty service. Upsell. Use fake (old) pictures. Kick them hard to the curb!

WOF[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Seminole John;1088404]I guess my level of expectations are somewhat higher than yours. If we were talking about a street walker I'd agree and say what do you expect. But when we get to escorts where you're paying them a couple hundred bucks I don't think punctuality or just basic courtesy is too much to ask. Time is valuable. To my way of thnking time is THE most valuable commodity because once it is gone you can't get it back. I think a lot of this can be chaulked up to what they call the labeling theory in sociology and psychology. Basically people tend to perform to your level of expectations for them. So if we basically tell these girls through our actions that it is OK for them to jerk us around and waste our time guess what you're going to get. However if we set the bar higher I'm pretty sure most of the girls on backpage are capable of basic courtesy. And for those that are not, well they can always be street walkers![/QUOTE]Welll said, SJ

[QUOTE=Seminole John;1088404]I guess my level of expectations are somewhat higher than yours. If we were talking about a street walker I'd agree and say what do you expect. But when we get to escorts where you're paying them a couple hundred bucks I don't think punctuality or just basic courtesy is too much to ask. Time is valuable. To my way of thnking time is THE most valuable commodity because once it is gone you can't get it back. I think a lot of this can be chaulked up to what they call the labeling theory in sociology and psychology. Basically people tend to perform to your level of expectations for them. So if we basically tell these girls through our actions that it is OK for them to jerk us around and waste our time guess what you're going to get. However if we set the bar higher I'm pretty sure most of the girls on backpage are capable of basic courtesy. And for those that are not, well they can always be street walkers![/QUOTE]I think we also have to separate the wheat from the chaff. Most ladies who advertise on BP are not true escorts. Many are streetwalkers who hedge their bets and do both. When I choose a $300-400 escort, my expectations are very high. When I choose $100-200 "escorts" my expectation are not as high from the business persepctive of being on time. Many of these ladies have so much drama in their lives, I don't expect as much.

WOF

Hitthat,

I'll take the hit; I wasn't clear re: what I meant by LTR. I was recommending you seek LTR with ladies in the game, who might understand your challenges (older, more mature with life experiences) not seek a girlfriend. As somebody here already pointed out, these BP ladies (at least the ones you have so far chosen) don't have that kind of acumen. And most likely, if not selling ass with help from the I-net, would instead be selling you burgers. With the same lack of business acumen.

[QUOTE=Hitthat; 1088319]"Dude"

Thanks for your attempt at advise, albeit I think it is rather misguided. It is likely that if all the folks in my situation followed it, most of the providers would go hungry. I'm not so naive to think that the ladies who are in this "biz" are necessarily going to be reliable; however, when the opportunity presents itself, I am going to share my thoughts on the matter.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I suspect that a majority of people who utilize the services of the ladies mentioned on the forum are more than likely in my situation, I. E. LTR which doesn't make sense to get out of. [/QUOTE]

Hitthat, I feel for you.

About 2 weeks ago I encountered a similar flaking situation in MSP.

Being teased along is never fun. And the time wasted waiting can never be recovered. This is my advice:

1. Do Not Call the Flaker / No show Anymore.

I will not be calling the No-Show anymore. Does not matter how good her reviews are / how good her service is. She had my phone number, she should have called back and offered an explanation.

2. Have a Strong Plan B.

Work with What if scenerio's. What if she does not show up? Do I watch Porn / hang around sulking / go out clubbing have a great time or have an incall provider lined up?

In my case: On the first sign of flaking, I developed a Plan B. Once the Flaker stopped texting / answering her phone, I called her phone and left a VM wishing her well. This made me come out clean. Then I found an incall girl who was available in a couple of hours. In the end the I had a wonderful time with the Plan B girl.

This hobby is risky, full of perils and time consuming. Learn to deal with the challenges and soon you will smile through all the hurdles.

Also, 80% of the time I have found that members who defend the Flakers / No Shows are themselves pimps or are involved in running girls themselves. Steer clear of their negative comments.

[QUOTE=Hitthat; 1088319]"Dude"

Thanks for your attempt at advise, albeit I think it is rather misguided. It is likely that if all the folks in my situation followed it, most of the providers would go hungry. I'm not so naive to think that the ladies who are in this "biz" are necessarily going to be reliable; however, when the opportunity presents itself, I am going to share my thoughts on the matter.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I suspect that a majority of people who utilize the services of the ladies mentioned on the forum are more than likely in my situation, I. E. LTR which doesn't make sense to get out of. [/QUOTE]

Many of these BP girls simply do not understand that reliability is the number one factor for return business. They also don't seem to understand that return business is the lifeblood of their income. It's just way smarter to take a return client than a newbie, even at a reduced gift. Remember, safety is the number one priority in this business.

If you can't make the appt, just text the client and ask to reschedule for later. How ridicuously simple is this? Everyone will be much happier in the long run. You won't get trashed on this great forum. The client won't get so upset over being stood up. You can probably get the client to agree to a later dream and still enjoy his gifts. That's certainly a much better alternative than trying to defend yourself on here like a few girls I know, (and especially one.)

I agree 100. I would say that 60-70% of the first time "dates" I make don't come to fruition. I never schedule a date when this is a chance of a conflict on a first time experience. I know I am not dealing with PHD's but come on. A text is all it takes to prevent a major waste of time.

[QUOTE=Vino 7373; 1088534]Many of these BP girls simply do not understand that reliability is the number one factor for return business. They also don't seem to understand that return business is the lifeblood of their income. It's just way smarter to take a return client than a newbie, even at a reduced gift. Remember, safety is the number one priority in this business.

If you can't make the appt, just text the client and ask to reschedule for later. How ridicuously simple is this? Everyone will be much happier in the long run. You won't get trashed on this great forum. The client won't get so upset over being stood up. You can probably get the client to agree to a later dream and still enjoy his gifts. That's certainly a much better alternative than trying to defend yourself on here like a few girls I know, (and especially one) [/QUOTE]I just thought of another comment to make on this subject. A couple of the ladies have mentioned that a client creeped them out or they felt uncomfortable with them. Suppose you've made an appt or are talking to a perspective client on the phone and get that bad vibe. What do you feel is the appropriate way to handle this? I certainly don't think standing the guy up and defending yourself for that action on this forum is the best way.

Do you just go ahead and tell the man that they said something inappropriate? Is that the best way to go? Text the guy and say,"sorry buddy, you creeped me out?" Is this a case where honesty is the best policy? I'm just interested in the ladies' thoughts on this subject.

Unless your running a rotating door, it's not hard to stay organized and know and keep your engagements.

As far as potential men that creep you out, I screen and with clients that say or do something that makes me uncomfortable. I don't even book a session with them.

This saves us both the time and potential further risk.

[QUOTE=Vino 7373; 1088566]I just thought of another comment to make on this subject. A couple of the ladies have mentioned that a client creeped them out or they felt uncomfortable with them. Suppose you've made an appt or are talking to a perspective client on the phone and get that bad vibe. What do you feel is the appropriate way to handle this? I certainly don't think standing the guy up and defending yourself for that action on this forum is the best way.

Do you just go ahead and tell the man that they said something inappropriate? Is that the best way to go? Text the guy and say,"sorry buddy, you creeped me out?" Is this a case where honesty is the best policy? I'm just interested in the ladies' thoughts on this subject. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LaurenOrlando; 1088351]I have to give kudos to the gentleman (I can only assume) that posted this.

[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/rules-of-a-great-provider-45/4044032[/url]

This comes from a provider who has never had to change her name for whatever reason, has always used her own photos, and believes in "Truth in Advertising".

I can understand the frustration that arises from planning a playdate, only to have things fall through without so much as even a call or text message to cancel or reschedule. Unless a situation makes it impossible to do so, it comes down to simple business sense and respect, of course. Whether a lady truly has something come up or simply gets "creeped out". It doesn't help her reputation to just blow someone off (no pun intended LOL.

From my end. What this does to a provider such as myself when another provider behaves this way. It hurts my livelihood, along with all of the "fakes", cash and dashes, etc. You gents have invested time, spent money only to be ripped off, are left disheartened after the anticipation of getting away for a planned encounter, and now you're left wondering if you should even try again. I'm sorry this happens. But that's why sites like this exist. So homework can be done, and you can take the chance of TOFTT if you choose, but remember, if you do YMMV.

Happy Mongering Gents!

Xoxo L[/QUOTE]Thanks. I have become very frustrated by the nose dive in quality over the years so I thought I'd provide some good advice.