Can we get back to talking about actual strippers & the clubs and not get sucked into long philosophical debates with PL2 over things like valet & I'd?
TIA.
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Can we get back to talking about actual strippers & the clubs and not get sucked into long philosophical debates with PL2 over things like valet & I'd?
TIA.
I'm getting ready to head down there today, always good to know what Rob to avoid. If she's there's I'm sure she'll be all over me as soon as I sit down, that's how the biggest ripoffs & up sellers tend to be.
[QUOTE=GoodKarmaGuy;6422516]Had a similar unpleasant experience with her last week day shift.
She upsell for everything while dancing including touching her boobs.
Stay away from her.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SamPerkins420;6425014]Can we get back to talking about actual strippers & the clubs and not get sucked into long philosophical debates with PL2 over things like valet & I'd?
TIA.[/QUOTE]Either he hasn't figured out that the goal of strip clubs is much like casinos. To separate one from as much cash as possible, or he's happy being in perpetual outrage mode over how strip clubs make money and they don't see him in the "customer is always right mode".
Valet is to him as red cape is to a bull.
I hadn't been in BT's since before COVID, and since I work in the area I decided I needed to check them out.
I visited twice, during the afternoon both times. They do a strange thing where the valet gives you a ticket, and they take half the ticket from you when you go inside. The club hasn't changed inside since the last time I was there. There's no one in the bathroom during the day, and there's no smoking in the club but they do have a very well appointed smoking area outside, heated and covered. I had two different bartenders for my two visits, one was a cute as hell latino who was right on top of things, the other was a larger blonde who left me looking for her a few times.
There were around a dozen girls working. They were running two at a time on the main stage with each dancer doing three songs at each end. The dancers were about evenly split between AA and white, no other ethnicities that I noticed. I favor slender girls, and most of the dancers there both days were a bit on the large side for me. Not fat, but more toward "curvy" with a lot of plastic enhancement. There were only a couple of ladies that I would have been interested in getting to know better, and they were hanging out in booths or in back for most of the time I was there, so I don't have first hand knowledge of VIP activities, but have it on good authority that reasonably priced fun can be had with a $20 admission fee every time you go into VIP.
Overall, I had a good experience, but everything about BT's feels like a cash grab. $10 for valet, when it's $8 almost everywhere else, $20 VIP tax for each visit, $22 for a glass of wine that I get for $13-$14 at every other club I go to. I think I would probably go to FC or LS before going back to BT's. I think I would spend a little less, with a slightly better atmosphere and talent offering.
[QUOTE=JackOfClubs;6420719]In general more of the young generation is overweight (fat / bbw) which is quite remarkable as when I was in high school and college you could count all the fat people on one hand.[/QUOTE]JOC,
I completely agree as a result of my job I am often working on College campuses, and while there are still plenty of hot thin girls walking around, it is like 50% of girls between ages of 18 and 22 are no longer attractive enough to bang. When I went to college it was like 95% of the girls were hot thin girls. My school had 20,000 girls so when I went 19,000 where attractive today only 10,000 are attractive, that is major decrease.
Also today people are proud to be fat. It used to be fat people tried to cover themselves up, and tried to loose weight. Most college girls have limited sexual experience, and I used to know if a girl had reputation for giving great BJs, she was a chubby girl. Because that was the only way for chubby girls to compete against hot girls. They had to constantly keep their boyfriends drained. I remember several girls where well known if you hadn't been laid in a few days to pay a visit them, and they were guaranteed to suck you off.
Todays chubby girls think they are attractive. So sad.
MM.
[QUOTE=ChimilDetin;6421093]That's a laughably comical thing for a dancer to say in Detroit, where a large percentage of dancers have sex everyday, probably multiple times. It is what it is, no matter where it happens. If you'd have tried hard enough, you could have painted her into a corner about herself and what she does.
Then again, at that price, I'm going to guess she really doesn't have sex everyday because no one's willing to pay that.[/QUOTE]CD,
I respectfully disagree a with you. There are certainly girls that have sex every day, and if you want to have sex it is possible. However the clubs have a range of girls working in them. There are girls who succeed with out doing extras, doing extras for only a few guys, only doing limited extras. I have seen hundreds of dollars thrown at girls just during their stage dances. When a girl makes $400 for her stage dance she isn't going to take less from you to drop her panties.
You have no idea how much money she made before you offer or she made the previous day. She is saying that today that is her price. Ask her again tomorrow and she might need more money. I have observed a clear decrease in prices at the end of the month which I believe is because rent is do. I have seen a similar decrease in prices the first week of the month which I believe is because rent is past due.
Many of these girls have sugar daddies / drug dealers / or just boyfriends, who cover the majority of the costs. So if she hits it off with you and she is in the mood she might take you to the VIP and make you happy. Many of the girls don't have to take every guy, don't want to take most guys, and can dance for months or years under these arrangements.
I knew a girl who routinely quoted me $500, and she said she knows her worth and she gets that from other guys. I was always pleasant with her and tipped her $1 when she was on stage. She was always slightly bitchy with me even telling me once that a $1 tip was too cheap. She usually stopped by to chat for 5 - 25 minutes before moving on her way. She always asked me to buy her a drink and I always replied I like to buy drinks for girls after the VIP. After 10 months of playing this game, when I tipped her $1 she gave me a big hug at the stage and said I hadn't been in for a while. She had never hugged me before. After her stage set she came over and said she was really thirsty. I said I am saving that drink for a girl who takes me to the VIP. She said she hasn't been all day and would really like to take me. I said not at $500. She offered $300 and said that is the lowest she has ever gone. I said my price is $200 and I see another girl dancing that I like so if she doesn't want my $200 can she make space at my table for the other girl to join me. She leaned in close and whispered in my ear, just this one time. Our session was great, and when I asked what was different about today, she said she broke up with her boyfriend and needs to make more money. I guess she must have a new boyfriend because the next times I saw her she was back ignoring me.
The difference especially with new girls just starting out is not what they actually do with their bodies but how they seem themselves. They don't see themselves as having experiences with random guys, they convince themselves this is an interesting person they would be with outside of the club. If you can get a girl before she is in the stage where she will go with anyone, those have been some of my best experiences.
MM.
[QUOTE=BCummings;6422438]The greatest trick ever played by the devil was to convince people that a really fat ass on a girl was beautiful.[/QUOTE]BC,
I totally agree the Devil is winning with girls thinking a fat ass is beautiful. The possible sliver lining is that girls with smaller asses who I prefer sometimes think they are less attractive and offer discounts because of that.
As for the greatest trick I am not so sure. Some of the Devils other trick are just as devious.
- Girls covering themselves with tattoos look good.
- Girls having so many piercings in their body it looks like they walked away from a car wreck.
- Girls injecting silicone into their breasts, butt, lips looks beautiful.
- Girls having so much make up caked on their faces.
- Girls having really ugly wigs or neon green, pink, blue hair.
Try to find a hot skinny girl with no tattoos, no piercings, no silicone, no body modifications, with limited make up, with her real natural hair. It is like finding a unicorn, yet that used to be normal for young girls in their 20's.
MM.
[QUOTE=GoodKarmaGuy;6422516]Had a similar unpleasant experience with her last week day shift.
She upsell for everything while dancing including touching her boobs.
Stay away from her.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this valuable intel. She has talked to me at least 6 different times. I don't find her attractive, and I also didn't enjoy the conversation so I never took her. I won't even consider Sammie now.
In my memory she is always wearing some type of sports jersey or outfit.
MM.
[QUOTE=SamPerkins420;6425014]Can we get back to talking about actual strippers & the clubs and not get sucked into long philosophical debates with PL2 over things like valet & I'd?
TIA.[/QUOTE]I have found PL2 information valuable over the years.
While I disagree with his opinion on valet, I do agree with him on IDs. And I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt on valet that he has an experience that makes him wary.
Regardless I think all comments are valuable and better to have the conversation and information.
I appreciate all posts.
MM.
[QUOTE=JdAgain;6426690]I hadn't been in BT's since before COVID, and since I work in the area I decided I needed to check them out.
Overall, I had a good experience, but everything about BT's feels like a cash grab. $10 for valet, when it's $8 almost everywhere else, $20 VIP tax for each visit, $22 for a glass of wine that I get for $13-$14 at every other club I go to. I think I would probably go to FC or LS before going back to BT's. I think I would spend a little less, with a slightly better atmosphere and talent offering.[/QUOTE]JDA,
Welcome back, I never stopped going as I like girls too much.
There was steep reduction in talent during Covid since we were paying people to stay home, and girls who typically would have been strippers did * and seeking arrangements.
The talent remains hit and miss and has not reverted to pre Covid levels. However each year it gets a little better with more new girls entering. Sometimes I have great experience and some time I struggle to be satisfied.
Also prices have increase since before Covid but that in true of everything. I got a double cheeseburger at McDonalds and it was almost $4.
Keep trying and keep reporting.
MM.
[QUOTE=Checkers123;6420430]So I was talking to this young lady at one of our local SC and she quoted me $400 for 10 minutes of FS. I told her for $400 I could see an escort for an hour in a nice hotel on a king-sized bed. She looked at me in disgust and said, "that's a prostitute, they have sex everyday." I just looked at her and said, "and strippers don't have sex everyday."
I was just floored that she thinks selling pussy in the club is somehow not hooking.[/QUOTE]Stripper logic. LOL.
[QUOTE=BCummings;6422438]The greatest trick ever played by the devil was to convince people that a really fat ass on a girl was beautiful.[/QUOTE]You can thank Kim Kardashian for this. SMH.
So I went to grab a couple drinks and do some scouting at Coliseum last night and checked the line up. There were a few very decent dancers plus a bunch of Kardashians LOL.
Lexi, a tall spinner with exotic looks caught my eye, as well as Maya & her friend that are working as a duo on stage.
Winter looked skinnier and hotter than I remember from my last time there.
There was another girl whose name I didn't catch that has a naughty teacher / secretary look with glasses and red lipstick. She has a Michigan map tattooed to her inner left forearm in case anyone knows her name.
Does anyone here know if it's possible to negotiate any extras in this place?
[QUOTE=Kliffslp;6427705]So I went to grab a couple drinks and do some scouting at Coliseum last night and checked the line up. There were a few very decent dancers plus a bunch of Kardashians LOL.
Lexi, a tall spinner with exotic looks caught my eye, as well as Maya & her friend that are working as a duo on stage.
Winter looked skinnier and hotter than I remember from my last time there.
There was another girl whose name I didn't catch that has a naughty teacher / secretary look with glasses and red lipstick. She has a Michigan map tattooed to her inner left forearm in case anyone knows her name.
Does anyone here know if it's possible to negotiate any extras in this place?[/QUOTE]Most definitely!
[QUOTE=MareloboMex;6427581]The difference especially with new girls just starting out is not what they actually do with their bodies but how they seem themselves. They don't see themselves as having experiences with random guys, they convince themselves this is an interesting person they would be with outside of the club. If you can get a girl before she is in the stage where she will go with anyone, those have been some of my best experiences.[/QUOTE]She gave him a price for extras. She's a prostitute. She's trying to separate herself as a dancer from prostitutes, but there's no separation, particularly with her setting a price and so many of her fellow dancers setting prices in Detroit. What the price is, how high or low, one dollar or $1 million -- doesn't matter. How long or short she knew the guy, two minutes or 20 years -- doesn't matter. If a customer takes you up, you are as much the p-word as that lady in the hotel on the king-sized bed the original poster talked about. She's flat-out wrong in trying to separate what she does from that lady in the hotel. The only difference is the location. The law would treat them the same way, and in the open market, us mongers should, and do, treat them the same way, too.
It's the "I'm not that kind of girl" BS some girls tell themselves so they can lie to themselves and tell themselves they're not that kind of girl when, in reality, they are that kind of girl. In talking about themselves that way, they're putting down a lot of their co-workers and a lot of other people in the sex work industry. That's a sucky way to talk about the industry she herself is in, along with all the other dancers & providers we all frequent who all do the same stuff she is willing to do for whatever price. She's trying to feel better about herself by putting down other people who are basically doing the exact same thing she's doing, just in a slightly, almost insignificantly, different way. She thinks she's separating herself from the others when she's nowhere near as separate as she wants to think she is.
"I'm not that kind of girl; those girls are prostitutes and I am not. " Yes you are. You're offering a price for the same services. Maybe you don't want to think you are, but the moment you offer a realistic price a customer may accept, you are. Get over yourself.