"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[QUOTE=Airmantroy;7523101]All but a very few of my under 30 yr old SB encounters have been very underwhelming. Not all of them mind you. Where as my over 30 encounters have almost always been an incredible experience and almost always a repeat. This girl is delusional to think she can get 1 k ppm consistently based on 4 yrs of rub and tugs and a Ukrainian accent, and that's if she is even doing greek and BBFS, cip. Which I'm very doubtful is going to happen.[/QUOTE]I'm not saying there are no 35 year olds who are waaaay better in the sack than a 22 year old. But at the end of the day, the biggest factor in determining the value is looks. People can complain it's unfair, that they provide better service, that they are beautiful on the inside but none of that matters in this game. It's looks, and looks get worse with age, which means value goes down with age. Period.

Are there exceptions? Sure, there are some 40 year olds that look better than a lot of 20 year olds, but it's incredibly rare.

It's like cars: sure, there are a few, very limited number of "classics" which are worth the same or more than a new car. But 99% of the time the new car is worth more.

I have no idea if the 40 year old woman will fuck my brains out or be a dead fish, same as the 20 year old. Therefore I can't use how good they fuck to determine allowance value during initial negotiations. However, I can use their appearance.

Hell, when it comes to service, I've found age is less telling than their allowance ask. The more expensive they are, the more entitled they believe themselves to be, and the worse the sex often is. I've had great experiences with older and younger. I've never had a great experience from someone charging over 400.

Tl;dr stop paying middle aged woman the same as the co-eds. The expression "Men age like wine, woman age like beer" is said for a reason.

[QUOTE=FosterWheatly;7522633]Yes she looked good. She's 37 though. I think her seeking profile said 27. We agreed to 500. She said she usually gets that up to 1000.[/QUOTE]Dude, I promise you can find waaaaay better than that if you're paying that much.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;7523268]I'm not saying there are no 35 year olds who are waaaay better in the sack than a 22 year old. But at the end of the day, the biggest factor in determining the value is looks. People can complain it's unfair, that they provide better service, that they are beautiful on the inside but none of that matters in this game. It's looks, and looks get worse with age, which means value goes down with age. Period.

Are there exceptions? Sure, there are some 40 year olds that look better than a lot of 20 year olds, but it's incredibly rare.

It's like cars: sure, there are a few, very limited number of "classics" which are worth the same or more than a new car. But 99% of the time the new car is worth more.

I have no idea if the 40 year old woman will fuck my brains out or be a dead fish, same as the 20 year old. Therefore I can't use how good they fuck to determine allowance value during initial negotiations. However, I can use their appearance..[/QUOTE]Guys please understand everything being said is to help improve your experience and the overall bowel. Just like you would take your car to someone with experience that can help same principle her. Trust these words and you will fine the hobby to be a lot better.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;7523268]I'm not saying there are no 35 year olds who are waaaay better in the sack than a 22 year old. But at the end of the day, the biggest factor in determining the value is looks. People can complain it's unfair, that they provide better service, that they are beautiful on the inside but none of that matters in this game. It's looks, and looks get worse with age, which means value goes down with age. Period.

Are there exceptions? Sure, there are some 40 year olds that look better than a lot of 20 year olds, but it's incredibly rare.

It's like cars: sure, there are a few, very limited number of "classics" which are worth the same or more than a new car. But 99% of the time the new car is worth more.

I have no idea if the 40 year old woman will fuck my brains out or be a dead fish, same as the 20 year old. Therefore I can't use how good they fuck to determine allowance value during initial negotiations. However, I can use their appearance.

Hell, when it comes to service, I've found age is less telling than their allowance ask. The more expensive they are, the more entitled they believe themselves to be, and the worse the sex often is. I've had great experiences with older and younger. I've never had a great experience from someone charging over 400.

Tl;dr stop paying middle aged woman the same as the co-eds. The expression "Men age like wine, woman age like beer" is said for a reason.[/QUOTE]I agree there might be some exceptions! But generally the price should go down as they age. Even most woman know that too.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;7523268]I'm not saying there are no 35 year olds who are waaaay better in the sack than a 22 year old. But at the end of the day, the biggest factor in determining the value is looks. People can complain it's unfair, that they provide better service, that they are beautiful on the inside but none of that matters in this game. It's looks, and looks get worse with age, which means value goes down with age. Period.

Are there exceptions? Sure, there are some 40 year olds that look better than a lot of 20 year olds, but it's incredibly rare.

It's like cars: sure, there are a few, very limited number of "classics" which are worth the same or more than a new car. But 99% of the time the new car is worth more.

I have no idea if the 40 year old woman will fuck my brains out or be a dead fish, same as the 20 year old. Therefore I can't use how good they fuck to determine allowance value during initial negotiations. However, I can use their appearance.

Hell, when it comes to service, I've found age is less telling than their allowance ask. The more expensive they are, the more entitled they believe themselves to be, and the worse the sex often is. I've had great experiences with older and younger. I've never had a great experience from someone charging over 400.

Tl;dr stop paying middle aged woman the same as the co-eds. The expression "Men age like wine, woman age like beer" is said for a reason.[/QUOTE]I understand that YOU may like the 20 something college coeds, and they are fun, sometimes. The odds of them having GPS and entitled is very high. I don't hunt down just any 30+, I go for a very particular standard, in shape, well put together with a body some 20 something would envy. They aren't entitled as often (not always, I'll admit). They may have been burned by a guy or two and take a little extra finesing to woo them. But the outcome is generally they love sex and the dirtier the better. Now, if we are talking average kinda in shape mid 30's soccer mom. Yeah I'd say their ppm should be lower. But if she presents herself as the absolute best version of herself I'm perfectly willing to give her the same as a 23 yr old bikini model, and I'll have more fun for a longer period of time.

Now, I will admit I had a date last night with a 24 yr old that was absolutely the best I have had in the past six months. Super sweet girl (like almost too nice), great all natural body, would absolutely snap necks in the mall and she showed up dressed to fuck with zero prompting. Will I see her again? Already got it set for Tuesday or Wednesday according to her work schedule. Date length 2 hours. Ppm 400 and it will go down to 300.

By comparison, Friday I had a 5+ hour date with a 36 yr old, who is a retired pro that was like starring in an unscripted porno except nobody was acting, she's just that sexual. Same ppm.

I also prefer a lady a little older. Almost every time I've seen someone in there early 20's it just seemed awkward and they tended to be a lot more submissive which is not my thing. I'd much rather someone with more experience and confidence who knows what they want. I still want attractive, but personality and attitude are also very important and I don't find submissive and quiet appealing. I do think older women tend to expect more money but I'm willing to go a little higher for the right one if they tick all my boxes.

[QUOTE=2me4Looking2;7523748]I also prefer a lady a little older. Almost every time I've seen someone in there early 20's it just seemed awkward and they tended to be a lot more submissive which is not my thing. I'd much rather someone with more experience and confidence who knows what they want. I still want attractive, but personality and attitude are also very important and I don't find submissive and quiet appealing. I do think older women tend to expect more money but I'm willing to go a little higher for the right one if they tick all my boxes.[/QUOTE]That different guys like different things. It's not like cheesecake where everyone likes ny style fellas. Enjoy what you enjoy. I have banged multiple young's 20's and women in their early 40's, I am picking a 35 year old with a little cellulite, big ass that fucks like a champ than a 21 year old blonde that pretends like I should be grateful for letting me touch her.

[QUOTE=Marmong;7523930]That different guys like different things. It's not like cheesecake where everyone likes ny style fellas. Enjoy what you enjoy. I have banged multiple young's 20's and women in their early 40's, I am picking a 35 year old with a little cellulite, big ass that fucks like a champ than a 21 year old blonde that pretends like I should be grateful for letting me touch her.[/QUOTE]The main point I'm trying to make is simply that you shouldn't pay more than market price for a commodity, even if you prefer a specific type over another.

Maybe you like Kia more than Cadillac. That's cool, you do you. But you wouldn't pay Cadillac prices for a Kia even if you like Kia better. I apply the same principal here. Even if you prefer 35 year olds to 25 year olds, you shouldn't pay more than market price, and market price for older should always be lower than younger.

As someone else stated, women know this too. Hell, they may even know it better than we do since our culture puts a much higher value on youth and beauty for women for things more than sex. Look at actresses who have incredible careers in their 20's, then fall off a cliff and can barely find work once they hit over 30. Sure, some of them, the very best of them, the Scarlett Johannssens and the like continue to find success as they age, but there is a reason actresses complain about jobs vanishing once they get over 35. It's unfair, but it's reality.

Tl; dr Don't pay over market price just because you have preference. You should still be able to get your preference at market price.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;7524171]The main point I'm trying to make is simply that you shouldn't pay more than market price for a commodity, even if you prefer a specific type over another.

Maybe you like Kia more than Cadillac. That's cool, you do you. But you wouldn't pay Cadillac prices for a Kia even if you like Kia better. I apply the same principal here. Even if you prefer 35 year olds to 25 year olds, you shouldn't pay more than market price, and market price for older should always be lower than younger.

As someone else stated, women know this too. Hell, they may even know it better than we do since our culture puts a much higher value on youth and beauty for women for things more than sex. Look at actresses who have incredible careers in their 20's, then fall off a cliff and can barely find work once they hit over 30. Sure, some of them, the very best of them, the Scarlett Johannssens and the like continue to find success as they age, but there is a reason actresses complain about jobs vanishing once they get over 35. It's unfair, but it's reality.

Tl; dr Don't pay over market price just because you have preference. You should still be able to get your preference at market price.[/QUOTE]My opinion is that market price is not real. Price is real and those willing to pay whatever their price is, is what the price is. Now I do have my own limit, but I don't blame those willing to pay higher. Girls have prices and also other factors that may push them higher or lower. I play my game and don't blame others for playing their own. If the girl is strictly looking for $$ then she will find it. If she is looking for some minimal dough and a nice experience, or perhaps a certain type of fella, then she can find it. I run my game and find it but don't complain when I don't. Good luck playas!

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;7524171]The main point I'm trying to make is simply that you shouldn't pay more than market price for a commodity, even if you prefer a specific type over another.

Maybe you like Kia more than Cadillac. That's cool, you do you. But you wouldn't pay Cadillac prices for a Kia even if you like Kia better. I apply the same principal here. Even if you prefer 35 year olds to 25 year olds, you shouldn't pay more than market price, and market price for older should always be lower than younger.

As someone else stated, women know this too. Hell, they may even know it better than we do since our culture puts a much higher value on youth and beauty for women for things more than sex. Look at actresses who have incredible careers in their 20's, then fall off a cliff and can barely find work once they hit over 30. Sure, some of them, the very best of them, the Scarlett Johannssens and the like continue to find success as they age, but there is a reason actresses complain about jobs vanishing once they get over 35. It's unfair, but it's reality.

Tl; dr Don't pay over market price just because you have preference. You should still be able to get your preference at market price.[/QUOTE]You seem to think you are the one setting market price or something. That's simply not the case dude. We agree on a lot of things in this little bowl we dabble in, but the fact is the girls / women are the ones who say yes or no based on what they will accept. You haven't considered a few things that affect the "market price". Such as "fat tax", "ugly tax", "married tax", "hosting tax", "distance tax" or the decuctions from the "market" such as "looks like Brad Pitt deduction", "looks like George Clooney deduction", "lives in a penthouse suite in Buckhead deduction". Age is not the marker for a price judgement, it's our perception of sex appeal. Example- I'll gladly pay more for a brand named box of Kelloggs fruit loops over the no name less tasty store brand. Even though the basic ingredients are identical.

[QUOTE=Airmantroy;7524286]You seem to think you are the one setting market price or something. That's simply not the case dude. We agree on a lot of things in this little bowl we dabble in, but the fact is the girls / women are the ones who say yes or no based on what they will accept. You haven't considered a few things that affect the "market price". Such as "fat tax", "ugly tax", "married tax", "hosting tax", "distance tax" or the decuctions from the "market" such as "looks like Brad Pitt deduction", "looks like George Clooney deduction", "lives in a penthouse suite in Buckhead deduction". Age is not the marker for a price judgement, it's our perception of sex appeal. Example- I'll gladly pay more for a brand named box of Kelloggs fruit loops over the no name less tasty store brand. Even though the basic ingredients are identical.[/QUOTE]And the lower the price you are willing to pay, the fewer girls you are going to have available. Can you find the occasional girl that will agree to 200-300 sure, but that's becoming less and less and the quality of those girls is definitely going down. You are the only one that can say what your price is and then you have to find a girl willing to accept it and expecting everyone to follow that is unrealistic. For all the talk of "you shouldn't pay more than 200-300" my experience has been that if I'm willing to go higher when I'm more interested, it makes this hobby much easier.

[QUOTE=2me4Looking2;7524704]And the lower the price you are willing to pay, the fewer girls you are going to have available. Can you find the occasional girl that will agree to 200-300 sure, but that's becoming less and less and the quality of those girls is definitely going down. You are the only one that can say what your price is and then you have to find a girl willing to accept it and expecting everyone to follow that is unrealistic. For all the talk of "you shouldn't pay more than 200-300" my experience has been that if I'm willing to go higher when I'm more interested, it makes this hobby much easier.[/QUOTE]Just take what a lot of folks on here have to say about PPMs with a pound of salt. If you were to believe everything some guys say on here they are all banging college coeds for 300 bucks for hours. No 22 year old is showing up to a 40 year old's holiday inn for the same money as getting a haircut and a pedicure.

I come here for the reports if a girl is a goer or a time waster. You can definitely negotiate and if you have some game get a girl to drop her price or occasionally fuck you for nothing. But this is definitely not the norm. These girls aren't hookers with a price sheet.

[QUOTE=Marmong;7524801]Just take what a lot of folks on here have to say about PPMs with a pound of salt. If you were to believe everything some guys say on here they are all banging college coeds for 300 bucks for hours. No 22 year old is showing up to a 40 year old's holiday inn for the same money as getting a haircut and a pedicure.

I come here for the reports if a girl is a goer or a time waster. You can definitely negotiate and if you have some game get a girl to drop her price or occasionally fuck you for nothing. But this is definitely not the norm. These girls aren't hookers with a price sheet.[/QUOTE]You have to dig, scrape and be extremely diligent in messaging them. Once you connect don't go straight to the "how much to fuck" line of talk, ease into it, make them laugh. Meet them for lunch at Longhorns or Olive Garden. NOT at Chops or Hals. If you start out with lunch that cost $75-100 a person you've already lost the negotiation and haven't even started. Save that crap for birthdays and milestones. Did you know that Cheesecake Factory at Perimeter is the #1 location to find a man cheating on his spouse? Think about that. I have sucessfully navigated $1000 ppm girls to a $400 ppm and they host, that's equivalent of $300 ppm and a hotel without the papertrail or hassle of booking. Blow their minds, rock their world with daty and those same girls will lower that 400 down to 300 and eventually 200 or free.

[QUOTE=Airmantroy;7524845]You have to dig, scrape and be extremely diligent in messaging them. Once you connect don't go straight to the "how much to fuck" line of talk, ease into it, make them laugh. Meet them for lunch at Longhorns or Olive Garden. NOT at Chops or Hals. If you start out with lunch that cost $75-100 a person you've already lost the negotiation and haven't even started. Save that crap for birthdays and milestones. Did you know that Cheesecake Factory at Perimeter is the #1 location to find a man cheating on his spouse? Think about that. I have sucessfully navigated $1000 ppm girls to a $400 ppm and they host, that's equivalent of $300 ppm and a hotel without the papertrail or hassle of booking. Blow their minds, rock their world with daty and those same girls will lower that 400 down to 300 and eventually 200 or free.[/QUOTE]Once again I agree. Its about your presentation and approach. If you telling a girl you can make this a meaningful arrangement dress the part. I have seen photos of some of yall dressed up for the dates and yes while you spending top dollar. Game will get it for much lower because a woman knows if she will let you smash. Dress to impress on the first meeting and present yourself successfully. They will want apart of that for cheaper.

[QUOTE=MadDog1746;7519125]Case here, she looks good. I hit this for 400 and only 1 time. She looks like her pictures but has scars over body due to surgeries as a kid so I am not mad at that but can't pay 400 for her each time. She couldn't host or drive. She is on the southside but she was a good hit tho. I am posting her seeking as I never met her on there. I actually met her on secret benefits and she messaged me on sdm LOL.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8d24a11b-5c69-43ae-999b-33dd047b40d9[/URL][/QUOTE]She, told me she was hit head on by a drunk driver. She has all kind of crazy stories, don't believe a word she says. I hit it for 300 and she drove to me. Gives a great bbj.