Safe Mongering in Honolulu

[QUOTE=Jnglepen;3148975]

I'll be honest. I've gotten bbbjs from a few but this was also calculated because I did research / used recent reviews (2-3 weeks old) to make a decision. Plus justified it to myself because the chance of catching something nasty from receiving oral is pretty LO. Except herpes. Herpes is a ***** and scares the shit out of me.

Buuuutttt if a provider DID have something nasty. Like herpes. Their symptoms (and the monger affected) would be pretty noticeable pretty quickly (2-3 weeks). And I think we would hear about it on the forum pretty quickly as a warning not to fall into the same trap. One would hope that there is "honor amongst thieves".[/QUOTE]Besides what SureYourRight said, which I agree with, realize that many people who have herpes don't even know they have it because most who catch it don't show symptoms, or the symptoms are mild and confused with something else. So it's possible for a monger to catch it and pass it on without even knowing it. Then if your SO shows symptoms and finds out she has herpes, you might have a lot of explaining to do.

In addition, it's not accurate to say that if someone catches herpes, the symptoms will occur within 2-3 weeks. It can lay dormant in your system for many months or longer. And you can treat the outbreaks, but there is no cure. Don't mean to make you paranoid, but you have to be realistic about the risks.

Also, if I'm not mistaken (maybe Admin can clear this up), I think posts that accuse providers of having an STD are deleted from the forum. It's too easy for a disgruntled asshole or competitor to ruin a provider's good reputation with just one post, so I don't think it's allowed here.

[QUOTE=SureYourRight;3149819]You are completely mistaken if you think the people on this forum would admit to having any kind of long-term STD. There is no "honor amongst thieves". A lot of the mongers here have SO, and they are technically hiding a huge secret from their SO by using this site and participating in this hobby in the first place. So if they can't even be honest with her (who I assume they have known and trusted for years), why would they be honest with strangers from the internet? Wrap that shit up B.[/QUOTE]Damn, say it aint so!. Makes my skin crawl just thinkin about it. That's some messed up shit though.

You're right. " Wrap that shit up".

[QUOTE=Macko69;3150038]
Also, if I'm not mistaken (maybe Admin can clear this up), I think posts that accuse providers of having an STD are deleted from the forum. It's too easy for a disgruntled asshole or competitor to ruin a provider's good reputation with just one post, so I don't think it's allowed here.[/QUOTE]That's right--unless it's a public record which states the info. However, figure the odds of something like that being posted in a public record.

[QUOTE=Blake123;3150274]That's right--unless it's a public record which states the info. However, figure the odds of something like that being posted in a public record.[/QUOTE]According to the forum administrator, the rule is even more strict: there must be "an official, internet available public record of the STD" in order to post it on the forum.

Of course, that would be extremely rare. However, it's remotely possible, because in some states there are crimes that involve the defendant being infected with an STD. For example, in California it's a crime for an HIV-positive person to intentionally try to infect someone with HIV by unprotected sexual activity. If a provider was convicted of that crime and the conviction was in an official internet-available public record, the link could be posted on the forum.

[QUOTE=Nobi22;3148540]Thank you for the insight redneck. I don't think I can take that risk because of my SO. You guys write really good stories and it makes me wonder what the whole experience is like. I guess I'm never know. Thank you again for the wise words. [/QUOTE]Naturally, that decision is for you to make and your personal choice should be respected. My first reaction when reading your decision was to think: "well, there would be an exceptionally low percentage of risk in trying it just once to see what it's like". However, then I remembered that providers can be such wonderful actresses that the hobby can easily become psychologically addictive. So maybe it will work out better for you to refrain from trying it just once.

[QUOTE=Redneck1;3150303]According to the forum administrator, the rule is even more strict: there must be "an official, internet available public record of the STD" in order to post it on the forum.

Of course, that would be extremely rare. However, it's remotely possible, because in some states there are crimes that involve the defendant being infected with an STD. For example, in California it's a crime for an HIV-positive person to intentionally try to infect someone with HIV by unprotected sexual activity. If a provider was convicted of that crime and the conviction was in an official internet-available public record, the link could be posted on the forum.[/QUOTE]Hawaii doesn't have that law, which is a shame, I want to protect our girls.

[QUOTE=Redneck1;3150303]According to the forum administrator, the rule is even more strict: there must be "an official, internet available public record of the STD" in order to post it on the forum.

Of course, that would be extremely rare. However, it's remotely possible, because in some states there are crimes that involve the defendant being infected with an STD. For example, in California it's a crime for an HIV-positive person to intentionally try to infect someone with HIV by unprotected sexual activity. If a provider was convicted of that crime and the conviction was in an official internet-available public record, the link could be posted on the forum.[/QUOTE][BLUE]Before we had the rule every time a guy got pissed off at a chick they would post "I heard X has AIDS" lots of guys threatening chicks with that if they didn't get free or discounted sessions. There were sooooo many women accused of having AIDS it ridiculous.

Now, nearly every state has a law about providing sexual services when you are HIV, HEP B, HEP C ect positive. Some places it's felony prostitution, or aggravated prostitution, it has different names. In most States when a person gets convicted of prostitution they have to have an AIDS test. If they are positive they are offered services and informed that if they continue to engage in prostitution the charge will be much graver. If they do, and they get convicted for the greater charge then it's ok to post that.

Sorry it has to be that way but like nearly all the rules we have it was because more than a few guys used the forum to settle a personal grudge and we had to stop it.

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[QUOTE=Jnglepen;3148975]LOL at Red.

I've got a SO and I'm sure plenty other do as well. I understand why you are worried tho. I'm new to this too. But IMHO it's all about rolling the dice and making the smartest decision. To lower chances of anything I try to see girls that offer full cover sessions just because I don't trust people for shit. I don't know what anyone else is bringing to the providers and how regularly a provider gets checked. If I know a provider does BBFS. I avoid because its not worth risking in my opinion.

I'll be honest. I've gotten bbbjs from a few but this was also calculated because I did research / used recent reviews (2-3 weeks old) to make a decision. Plus justified it to myself because the chance of catching something nasty from receiving oral is pretty LO. Except herpes. Herpes is a ***** and scares the shit out of me.

Buuuutttt if a provider DID have something nasty. Like herpes. Their symptoms (and the monger affected) would be pretty noticeable pretty quickly (2-3 weeks). And I think we would hear about it on the forum pretty quickly as a warning not to fall into the same trap. One would hope that there is "honor amongst thieves".

You want safest experience. Pornhub does VR now. That shits great. You want to roll the dice? Use a cover for the whole experience. Avoid kissing and keep your tongue to yourself. Seems pretty limiting to both you and the provider but you can still have fun without being an asshole, just kindly explain your preferences and be a gentleman about it. It's better being safe than risking your SO.[/QUOTE]I truly believe if you are in this hobby for long you will be carrying genital herpes because the statistics show 1 in 5 people carry the disease. It is transmitted by skin to skin contact. A lot of prostitutes can see 5 or more guys a day over a long period of time. Now think about your odds of never getting it but being in this hobby?

So I participated in FS months ago, just for the experience and curiosuty. Got BBBJ and cfs from a popular provider at rejuve. Now I can't say I regret it, but I just get paranoid thinking that I caught something even though I was protected.

I lived the fantasy so I think I'm good just getting that type of exciting experience for once in my life.

HE is good enough for me from now on. I envy you guys who are able to partake more than I could.

If I could constantly live the fantasy with no worries, risks, I totally would. But that's life I guess. Props to all you fearless mongers out there! I just gon stick to VR porn now LOL.

[QUOTE=PMool44;3154617]So I participated in FS months ago, just for the experience and curiosuty. Got BBBJ and cfs from a popular provider at rejuve. Now I can't say I regret it, but I just get paranoid thinking that I caught something even though I was protected.

I lived the fantasy so I think I'm good just getting that type of exciting experience for once in my life.

HE is good enough for me from now on. I envy you guys who are able to partake more than I could.

If I could constantly live the fantasy with no worries, risks, I totally would. But that's life I guess. Props to all you fearless mongers out there! I just gon stick to VR porn now LOL.[/QUOTE]The idea of "risk" in connection with this "hobby" is intriguing and potentially multi-faceted. Using my own case as an example of what I'm referring to, since I no more SO, and since I start descending into depression and suicidal tendencies if I cannot occasionally get my intimate-contact-with-a-woman fix, if I go to a provider to receive my necessary minimum dose of intimacy I'm risking catching an STD, but if I do not go to a provider I'm risking death anyway so you do the math. Maybe the entire discussion all boils down to what level of risk a guy is willing to invest himself in. That and becoming as conscious and responsible about those choices as possible.

[QUOTE=CosmicKid;3154937]The idea of "risk" in connection with this "hobby" is intriguing and potentially multi-faceted. Using my own case as an example of what I'm referring to, since I no more SO, and since I start descending into depression and suicidal tendencies if I cannot occasionally get my intimate-contact-with-a-woman fix, if I go to a provider to receive my necessary minimum dose of intimacy I'm risking catching an STD, but if I do not go to a provider I'm risking death anyway so you do the math. Maybe the entire discussion all boils down to what level of risk a guy is willing to invest himself in. That and becoming as conscious and responsible about those choices as possible.[/QUOTE]I can totally relate to your reply. I too have this 'need' of physical connection & intimacy. I have concluded it's because I have somewhat a lack of self-esteem. I am happiest when I am desired, can't deny that. Too bad we live in a society where casual intimacy is just plainly looked down upon yet it is frequently displayed in our culture's media.

[QUOTE=PMool44;3154617]So I participated in FS months ago, just for the experience and curiosuty. Got BBBJ and cfs from a popular provider at rejuve. Now I can't say I regret it, but I just get paranoid thinking that I caught something even though I was protected.

I lived the fantasy so I think I'm good just getting that type of exciting experience for once in my life.

HE is good enough for me from now on. I envy you guys who are able to partake more than I could.

If I could constantly live the fantasy with no worries, risks, I totally would. But that's life I guess. Props to all you fearless mongers out there! I just gon stick to VR porn now LOL.[/QUOTE]I just came back from my first very sexual but awkward AMP. Now I will say it was definitely an eye-opening experience, but things got out of hand really quickly; by that I mean I had a plan to limit myself only to a massage and a hand job (that never happened). Instead I got FS, a BBBJ, ccg, cds, cm, 69, and dfk. In the beginning I loved it, but as time went on, I started regretting everything, I just wanted to pay her and get out. I felt so much guilt, and now I have to worry about STDs. I want to think that iam ok since I tried my best to check for signs (there were none to cause suspicion), and I spit out any fluids at any chance I had. Iam also trying to purge myself by drinking alcohol. I don't know why iam writing this, I think its because iam a hypochondriac. However, I just want to let others know who feel on the edge of trying, like I did for months, to REALLY think about what you may be getting yourself into. All in all, I regret everything. Never again. If there was anything I gained from this is that I now know so much more about myself and my relationship with my SO. I just hope this doesn't come back to bite me.

I give the rest of you so much credit, I don't know how you handle these same worries (if you have them at all).

[QUOTE=Nobi22;3173567]I just came back from my first very sexual but awkward AMP. Now I will say it was definitely an eye-opening experience, but things got out of hand really quickly; by that I mean I had a plan to limit myself only to a massage and a hand job (that never happened). Instead I got FS, a BBBJ, ccg, cds, cm, 69, and dfk. In the beginning I loved it, but as time went on, I started regretting everything, I just wanted to pay her and get out. I felt so much guilt, and now I have to worry about STDs. I want to think that iam ok since I tried my best to check for signs (there were none to cause suspicion), and I spit out any fluids at any chance I had. Iam also trying to purge myself by drinking alcohol. I don't know why iam writing this, I think its because iam a hypochondriac. However, I just want to let others know who feel on the edge of trying, like I did for months, to REALLY think about what you may be getting yourself into. All in all, I regret everything. Never again. If there was anything I gained from this is that I now know so much more about myself and my relationship with my SO. I just hope this doesn't come back to bite me.

I give the rest of you so much credit, I don't know how you handle these same worries (if you have them at all).[/QUOTE]Those are the risks, man. Stds are real but we all know what we are getting into. All covered service will reduce the risks, CBJ, cfs. Can't help you with the guilt. Stay safe my brother.

[QUOTE=CosmicKid;3154937]The idea of "risk" in connection with this "hobby" is intriguing and potentially multi-faceted. Using my own case as an example of what I'm referring to, since I no more SO, and since I start descending into depression and suicidal tendencies if I cannot occasionally get my intimate-contact-with-a-woman fix, if I go to a provider to receive my necessary minimum dose of intimacy I'm risking catching an STD, but if I do not go to a provider I'm risking death anyway so you do the math. Maybe the entire discussion all boils down to what level of risk a guy is willing to invest himself in. That and becoming as conscious and responsible about those choices as possible.[/QUOTE]When I broke up with a KB girl (no big loss), I went on a binge and felt on top of the world. I would opine that mongering has a therapeutic good in society.

I would recommend Michelle at Plus, she does this cosmic energy thing.

[QUOTE=Nobi22;3173567]I just came back from my first very sexual but awkward AMP. Now I will say it was definitely an eye-opening experience, but things got out of hand really quickly; by that I mean I had a plan to limit myself only to a massage and a hand job (that never happened). Instead I got FS, a BBBJ, ccg, cds, cm, 69, and dfk. In the beginning I loved it, but as time went on, I started regretting everything, I just wanted to pay her and get out. I felt so much guilt, and now I have to worry about STDs. I want to think that iam ok since I tried my best to check for signs (there were none to cause suspicion), and I spit out any fluids at any chance I had. Iam also trying to purge myself by drinking alcohol. I don't know why iam writing this, I think its because iam a hypochondriac. However, I just want to let others know who feel on the edge of trying, like I did for months, to REALLY think about what you may be getting yourself into. All in all, I regret everything. Never again. If there was anything I gained from this is that I now know so much more about myself and my relationship with my SO. I just hope this doesn't come back to bite me.

I give the rest of you so much credit, I don't know how you handle these same worries (if you have them at all).[/QUOTE]Yesterday when I first began reading Nobi22's report I was thinking, this fucking guy is just real intensely making himself crazy, classic example of a full-on mind-fuck in action. But when you mentioned you had an SO, all of a sudden your fears took on an entirely different meaning and started making some real-world logical sense. And what I learned from you is, usually I walk around feeling sorry for myself cause no more SO, but looking at your situation, now I'm realizing that, within the context of this hobby, I'm actually better off totally single because I seriously don't have to bust up my own skull with worrying about the responsibility of ever passing on an STD to an SO. That's why I don't need to get involved in your level of painful guilt trips. All I got to worry about is my own personal health. And regarding this, FWIW, I've been mongering for years now, and virtually all BB too, never had any strange symptoms, but recently decided it might be wise to start getting tested anyway. Done that twice over the past year, and came up all negatives, at least for the STDs the doc tested for.

[QUOTE=CosmicKid;3175688]Yesterday when I first began reading Nobi22's report I was thinking, this fucking guy is just real intensely making himself crazy, classic example of a full-on mind-fuck in action. But when you mentioned you had an SO, all of a sudden your fears took on an entirely different meaning and started making some real-world logical sense. And what I learned from you is, usually I walk around feeling sorry for myself cause no more SO, but looking at your situation, now I'm realizing that, within the context of this hobby, I'm actually better off totally single because I seriously don't have to bust up my own skull with worrying about the responsibility of ever passing on an STD to an SO. That's why I don't need to get involved in your level of painful guilt trips. All I got to worry about is my own personal health. And regarding this, FWIW, I've been mongering for years now, and virtually all BB too, never had any strange symptoms, but recently decided it might be wise to start getting tested anyway. Done that twice over the past year, and came up all negatives, at least for the STDs the doc tested for.[/QUOTE]True that bro.

The risks we take are all us but if you get SO she or he LOL are at risk too. When I get SO I no go outside and play. She's enough for me and that takes out all the risk too. Be safe bruddz.

[QUOTE=AsianSize;3175915]True that bro.

The risks we take are all us but if you get SO she or he LOL are at risk too. When I get SO I no go outside and play. She's enough for me and that takes out all the risk too. Be safe bruddz.[/QUOTE]I'm going to go ahead and give a little rant of why I, and probably other mongers, end up at AMPs although having a SO back home. Let's be real here; I love my SO. There's no one else in the world I'd want to be in a relationship with, long term. But the thing with long term relationships is that your girl ends up not doing the things she used to do with / for you at the early stages of the relationship. It used to be "yes, sure, okay!" -to pretty much ANYTHING you want sexually. BJ? Yes. Anal? Yes. Quickie? Yes. -anytime, anyplace. Do you know what happens after a long time passes? You guessed it! Now it's a fkn a battleground when it comes to anything sexual. BJ? Not right now. Anal? I don't want to do that. Quickie? I just don't feel like it. Maybe later. And when it's later. Yup, nothing. It really is frustrating, it kind of de-masculinizes you. You just don't feel like a man anymore, or even desired. It's not that I'm unhappy to the point of wanting to leave. It's more about not being fulfilled with physical intamacy enough. What do you think is more frustrating? - being single and not getting any? Or actually having a SO & not getting any action?

The thing is, that AMPs bring back the feelings. They bring back being desired. They bring back the excitement. They bring back your masiculinity of dominance & release of aggression. Pretty much what every healthy male needs. No average woman will ever understand the physical needs of a man. In AMPs, everything is just fulfilled because, although these girls are realistcally just working for $, they provide an outlet for any need that lacks back home.

If my SO kept fulfilling me they way as she did before in the good ol days, I would not look anywhere else, I wouldn't have taken the plunge into the AMP scene or the risks. With a long term SO, There's days where you'd be left dry for way too long & even make clear to what Is needed. Yet nothing is met, or in most cases, they get super irritated with you for wanting some intamacy. Real talk though. Read: "His needs, Her needs" by willard harley. It explains the real reasons why people stray away. I made my SO read that book, but you know, women don't listen. Reality of it all.

I am in the same boat with you and every thing you said it's spot on for me also.

[QUOTE=PMool44;3182272]I'm going to go ahead and give a little rant of why I, and probably other mongers, end up at AMPs although having a SO back home. Let's be real here; I love my SO. There's no one else in the world I'd want to be in a relationship with, long term. But the thing with long term relationships is that your girl ends up not doing the things she used to do with / for you at the early stages of the relationship. It used to be "yes, sure, okay!" -to pretty much ANYTHING you want sexually. BJ? Yes. Anal? Yes. Quickie? Yes. -anytime, anyplace. Do you know what happens after a long time passes? You guessed it! Now it's a fkn a battleground when it comes to anything sexual. BJ? Not right now. Anal? I don't want to do that. Quickie? I just don't feel like it. Maybe later. And when it's later. Yup, nothing. It really is frustrating, it kind of de-masculinizes you. You just don't feel like a man anymore, or even desired. It's not that I'm unhappy to the point of wanting to leave. It's more about not being fulfilled with physical intamacy enough. What do you think is more frustrating? - being single and not getting any? Or actually having a SO & not getting any action?

The thing is, that AMPs bring back the feelings. They bring back being desired. They bring back the excitement. They bring back your masiculinity of dominance & release of aggression. Pretty much what every healthy male needs. No average woman will ever understand the physical needs of a man. In AMPs, everything is just fulfilled because, although these girls are realistcally just working for $, they provide an outlet for any need that lacks back home.

If my SO kept fulfilling me they way as she did before in the good ol days, I would not look anywhere else, I wouldn't have taken the plunge into the AMP scene or the risks. With a long term SO, There's days where you'd be left dry for way too long & even make clear to what Is needed. Yet nothing is met, or in most cases, they get super irritated with you for wanting some intamacy. Real talk though. Read: "His needs, Her needs" by willard harley. It explains the real reasons why people stray away. I made my SO read that book, but you know, women don't listen. Reality of it all.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PeachEater51;3182901]I am in the same boat with you and every thing you said it's spot on for me also.[/QUOTE]That is spot on for me as well. My SO and I don't have sex as frequently as we did when we first got together, but we still have that spark. Unlike you guys, my SO never offered me Greek. However, after five years, things get monotonous. You can have all the steak you want, but sometimes you prefer pork chops. AMPs offer me that variety, and excitement of seeing someone else with no strings attached. I usually hang out at KBs,, but my SO has many KBG friends. The other problem is if you get something from a KBG, they can get clingy.

[QUOTE=PMool44;3182272]I'm going to go ahead and give a little rant of why I, and probably other mongers, end up at AMPs although having a SO back home. Let's be real here; I love my SO. There's no one else in the world I'd want to be in a relationship with, long term. But the thing with long term relationships is that your girl ends up not doing the things she used to do with / for you at the early stages of the relationship. It used to be "yes, sure, okay!" -to pretty much ANYTHING you want sexually. BJ? Yes. Anal? Yes. Quickie? Yes. -anytime, anyplace. Do you know what happens after a long time passes? You guessed it! Now it's a fkn a battleground when it comes to anything sexual. BJ? Not right now. Anal? I don't want to do that. Quickie? I just don't feel like it. Maybe later. And when it's later. Yup, nothing. It really is frustrating, it kind of de-masculinizes you. You just don't feel like a man anymore, or even desired. It's not that I'm unhappy to the point of wanting to leave. It's more about not being fulfilled with physical intamacy enough. What do you think is more frustrating? - being single and not getting any? Or actually having a SO & not getting any action?

The thing is, that AMPs bring back the feelings. They bring back being desired. They bring back the excitement. They bring back your masiculinity of dominance & release of aggression. Pretty much what every healthy male needs. No average woman will ever understand the physical needs of a man. In AMPs, everything is just fulfilled because, although these girls are realistcally just working for $, they provide an outlet for any need that lacks back home.

If my SO kept fulfilling me they way as she did before in the good ol days, I would not look anywhere else, I wouldn't have taken the plunge into the AMP scene or the risks. With a long term SO, There's days where you'd be left dry for way too long & even make clear to what Is needed. Yet nothing is met, or in most cases, they get super irritated with you for wanting some intamacy. Real talk though. Read: "His needs, Her needs" by willard harley. It explains the real reasons why people stray away. I made my SO read that book, but you know, women don't listen. Reality of it all.[/QUOTE]Hit the nail on the head my. Brother! ! Exactly and so well put. Love my wife, my kid and everything but I have needs.

Maybe more than normal. For me the AMP is perfect. No relationships to cause heartache and sex of my wildest dreams. I'm thankful to have the income that allows me this outlet. It is expensive. But oh the memories! Great to know others out there in the same situation.

[QUOTE=PMool44;3182272]I'm going to go ahead and give a little rant of why I, and probably other mongers, end up at AMPs although having a SO back home. Let's be real here; I love my SO. There's no one else in the world I'd want to be in a relationship with, long term. But the thing with long term relationships is that your girl ends up not doing the things she used to do with / for you at the early stages of the relationship. It used to be "yes, sure, okay!" -to pretty much ANYTHING you want sexually. BJ? Yes. Anal? Yes. Quickie? Yes. -anytime, anyplace. Do you know what happens after a long time passes? You guessed it! Now it's a fkn a battleground when it comes to anything sexual. BJ? Not right now. Anal? I don't want to do that. Quickie? I just don't feel like it. Maybe later. And when it's later. Yup, nothing. It really is frustrating, it kind of de-masculinizes you. You just don't feel like a man anymore, or even desired. It's not that I'm unhappy to the point of wanting to leave. It's more about not being fulfilled with physical intamacy enough. What do you think is more frustrating? - being single and not getting any? Or actually having a SO & not getting any action?

The thing is, that AMPs bring back the feelings. They bring back being desired. They bring back the excitement. They bring back your masiculinity of dominance & release of aggression. Pretty much what every healthy male needs. No average woman will ever understand the physical needs of a man. In AMPs, everything is just fulfilled because, although these girls are realistcally just working for $, they provide an outlet for any need that lacks back home.

If my SO kept fulfilling me they way as she did before in the good ol days, I would not look anywhere else, I wouldn't have taken the plunge into the AMP scene or the risks. With a long term SO, There's days where you'd be left dry for way too long & even make clear to what Is needed. Yet nothing is met, or in most cases, they get super irritated with you for wanting some intamacy. Real talk though. Read: "His needs, Her needs" by willard harley. It explains the real reasons why people stray away. I made my SO read that book, but you know, women don't listen. Reality of it all.[/QUOTE]That is true. Everything you said is accurate.

[QUOTE=PMool44;3182272]I'm going to go ahead and give a little rant of why I, and probably other mongers, end up at AMPs although having a SO back home. Let's be real here; I love my SO. There's no one else in the world I'd want to be in a relationship with, long term. But the thing with long term relationships is that your girl ends up not doing the things she used to do with / for you at the early stages of the relationship. It used to be "yes, sure, okay!" -to pretty much ANYTHING you want sexually. BJ? Yes. Anal? Yes. Quickie? Yes. -anytime, anyplace. Do you know what happens after a long time passes? You guessed it! Now it's a fkn a battleground when it comes to anything sexual. BJ? Not right now. Anal? I don't want to do that. Quickie? I just don't feel like it. Maybe later. And when it's later. Yup, nothing. It really is frustrating, it kind of de-masculinizes you. You just don't feel like a man anymore, or even desired. It's not that I'm unhappy to the point of wanting to leave. It's more about not being fulfilled with physical intamacy enough. What do you think is more frustrating? - being single and not getting any? Or actually having a SO & not getting any action?

The thing is, that AMPs bring back the feelings. They bring back being desired. They bring back the excitement. They bring back your masiculinity of dominance & release of aggression. Pretty much what every healthy male needs. No average woman will ever understand the physical needs of a man. In AMPs, everything is just fulfilled because, although these girls are realistcally just working for $, they provide an outlet for any need that lacks back home.

If my SO kept fulfilling me they way as she did before in the good ol days, I would not look anywhere else, I wouldn't have taken the plunge into the AMP scene or the risks. With a long term SO, There's days where you'd be left dry for way too long & even make clear to what Is needed. Yet nothing is met, or in most cases, they get super irritated with you for wanting some intamacy. Real talk though. Read: "His needs, Her needs" by willard harley. It explains the real reasons why people stray away. I made my SO read that book, but you know, women don't listen. Reality of it all.[/QUOTE]Right out of the park. I know it swings both ways because that is how I hooked up with the other? No bs, I would chat with a just meet and listen to her rant and rave what she desires, sometimes slow and sensual, and other times just lick and eat my kitty as a starved animal till she pushes me away. Yea, we get bored, like eating chicken katsu everyday for days. I am a buffet change when I in a mood. Oh yea, Auryte Holloway!

[QUOTE=PMool44;3182272]I'm going to go ahead and give a little rant of why I, and probably other mongers, end up at AMPs although having a SO back home. Let's be real here; I love my SO. There's no one else in the world I'd want to be in a relationship with, long term. But the thing with long term relationships is that your girl ends up not doing the things she used to do with / for you at the early stages of the relationship. It used to be "yes, sure, okay!" -to pretty much ANYTHING you want sexually. BJ? Yes. Anal? Yes. Quickie? Yes. -anytime, anyplace. Do you know what happens after a long time passes? You guessed it! Now it's a fkn a battleground when it comes to anything sexual. BJ? Not right now. Anal? I don't want to do that. Quickie? I just don't feel like it. Maybe later. And when it's later. Yup, nothing. It really is frustrating, it kind of de-masculinizes you. You just don't feel like a man anymore, or even desired. It's not that I'm unhappy to the point of wanting to leave. It's more about not being fulfilled with physical intamacy enough. What do you think is more frustrating? - being single and not getting any? Or actually having a SO & not getting any action?

The thing is, that AMPs bring back the feelings. They bring back being desired. They bring back the excitement. They bring back your masiculinity of dominance & release of aggression. Pretty much what every healthy male needs. No average woman will ever understand the physical needs of a man. In AMPs, everything is just fulfilled because, although these girls are realistcally just working for $, they provide an outlet for any need that lacks back home.

If my SO kept fulfilling me they way as she did before in the good ol days, I would not look anywhere else, I wouldn't have taken the plunge into the AMP scene or the risks. With a long term SO, There's days where you'd be left dry for way too long & even make clear to what Is needed. Yet nothing is met, or in most cases, they get super irritated with you for wanting some intamacy. Real talk though. Read: "His needs, Her needs" by willard harley. It explains the real reasons why people stray away. I made my SO read that book, but you know, women don't listen. Reality of it all.[/QUOTE]My SO hasn't shown affection in 10 plus yrs. No kiss, like even when appearing happy. Sex is just an irritation she has to perform while doing her nails, yawning, just an annoyance. She needs it, but not nearly as much as this guy. Yet, she still cares for her man in other ways. So, off to the AMP to get my dose of illusions of what is missing, affection.

[QUOTE=Raiden;3182931]Hit the nail on the head my. Brother! ! Exactly and so well put. Love my wife, my kid and everything but I have needs.

Maybe more than normal. For me the AMP is perfect. No relationships to cause heartache and sex of my wildest dreams. I'm thankful to have the income that allows me this outlet. It is expensive. But oh the memories! Great to know others out there in the same situation.[/QUOTE]+1 monger on!

Great perspective of being married. It is journey with potholes and obstacles. We expect our SO to satisfy / reward us but alas that doesn't happen. Jr starts to take control of the matter and we get into this hobby to satisfy that primal need.

[QUOTE=Local1234;3183334]+1 monger on![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HiPickle;3183325]My SO hasn't shown affection in 10 plus yrs. No kiss, like even when appearing happy. Sex is just an irritation she has to perform while doing her nails, yawning, just an annoyance. She needs it, but not nearly as much as this guy. Yet, she still cares for her man in other ways. So, off to the AMP to get my dose of illusions of what is missing, affection.[/QUOTE]Why does a bride look so happy during the wedding? She knows she will never have to give a BJ again.

That is why it is called the GirlFriend Experience instead of the Wife Experience. . . Too sad.

[QUOTE=OneHornyNinja;3193485]I read many of you guys here DATY. Is that safe? I mean from stds and stuffs?[/QUOTE]That's a very good question. Not completely safe, but I think the risks are minimal, according to the website I've pasted below. I love giving DATY and have never caught any bug from doing it, but I'm now very selective with who I do it to. At the very least, you may want to avoid giving DATY to the known BBFS girls unless you don't mind the possibility of tasting the customer before you.

[URL]http://www.sfcityclinic.org/stdbasics/stdchart.asp[/URL]

[QUOTE=Blake123;3194614]That's a very good question. Not completely safe, but I think the risks are minimal, according to the website I've pasted below. I love giving DATY and have never caught any bug from doing it, but I'm now very selective with who I do it to. At the very least, you may want to avoid giving DATY to the known BBFS girls unless you don't mind the possibility of tasting the customer before you.

[URL]http://www.sfcityclinic.org/stdbasics/stdchart.asp[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks. That's a damn great chart. Thanks for sharing. Everything you ever wanted to know without hours of searching forums and yahoo answers. LOL.

[QUOTE=Blake123;3194614]That's a very good question. Not completely safe, but I think the risks are minimal, according to the website I've pasted below. I love giving DATY and have never caught any bug from doing it, but I'm now very selective with who I do it to. At the very least, you may want to avoid giving DATY to the known BBFS girls unless you don't mind the possibility of tasting the customer before you.

[URL]http://www.sfcityclinic.org/stdbasics/stdchart.asp[/URL][/QUOTE]I will DATY but one on a very clean freshly showered girl. I don't think most girls jump from FS to FS they take an hour break, shower and get back to work. I also (probably) would not with a known BBFS provider. I find I get better service and I love it. Nothing gets her worked up better then afterwards I can lay back and let her do all the work! It's a win, win.

[QUOTE=Blake123;3194614]That's a very good question. Not completely safe, but I think the risks are minimal, according to the website I've pasted below. I love giving DATY and have never caught any bug from doing it, but I'm now very selective with who I do it to. At the very least, you may want to avoid giving DATY to the known BBFS girls unless you don't mind the possibility of tasting the customer before you.

[URL]http://www.sfcityclinic.org/stdbasics/stdchart.asp[/URL][/QUOTE]Looks like the safe sex alternative would be mutual masterbation and kissing. Doesn't seem like a great alternative to me.

[QUOTE=PMool44;3182272]I'm going to go ahead and give a little rant of why I, and probably other mongers, end up at AMPs although having a SO back home. Let's be real here; I love my SO. There's no one else in the world I'd want to be in a relationship with, long term. But the thing with long term relationships is that your girl ends up not doing the things she used to do with / for you at the early stages of the relationship. It used to be "yes, sure, okay!" -to pretty much ANYTHING you want sexually. BJ? Yes. Anal? Yes. Quickie? Yes. -anytime, anyplace. Do you know what happens after a long time passes? You guessed it! Now it's a fkn a battleground when it comes to anything sexual. BJ? Not right now. Anal? I don't want to do that. Quickie? I just don't feel like it. Maybe later. And when it's later. Yup, nothing. It really is frustrating, it kind of de-masculinizes you. You just don't feel like a man anymore, or even desired. It's not that I'm unhappy to the point of wanting to leave. It's more about not being fulfilled with physical intamacy enough. What do you think is more frustrating? - being single and not getting any? Or actually having a SO & not getting any action?

The thing is, that AMPs bring back the feelings. They bring back being desired. They bring back the excitement. They bring back your masiculinity of dominance & release of aggression. Pretty much what every healthy male needs. No average woman will ever understand the physical needs of a man. In AMPs, everything is just fulfilled because, although these girls are realistcally just working for $, they provide an outlet for any need that lacks back home.

If my SO kept fulfilling me they way as she did before in the good ol days, I would not look anywhere else, I wouldn't have taken the plunge into the AMP scene or the risks. With a long term SO, There's days where you'd be left dry for way too long & even make clear to what Is needed. Yet nothing is met, or in most cases, they get super irritated with you for wanting some intamacy. Real talk though. Read: "His needs, Her needs" by willard harley. It explains the real reasons why people stray away. I made my SO read that book, but you know, women don't listen. Reality of it all.[/QUOTE]I went out with a old friend the other week. We were thisclose and best buds until he got married. After a few drinks he confided that he ventures out every once in a while. I guess he felt the need to confess to someone. Kind of took me by surprise (not judging) as I never thought he was that type of guy. He practically validated everything you said.

[QUOTE=PMool44;3182272]I'm going to go ahead and give a little rant of why I, and probably other mongers, end up at AMPs although having a SO back home. Let's be real here; I love my SO. There's no one else in the world I'd want to be in a relationship with, long term. But the thing with long term relationships is that your girl ends up not doing the things she used to do with / for you at the early stages of the relationship. It used to be "yes, sure, okay!" -to pretty much ANYTHING you want sexually. BJ? Yes. Anal? Yes. Quickie? Yes. -anytime, anyplace. Do you know what happens after a long time passes? You guessed it! Now it's a fkn a battleground when it comes to anything sexual. BJ? Not right now. Anal? I don't want to do that. Quickie? I just don't feel like it. Maybe later. And when it's later. Yup, nothing. It really is frustrating, it kind of de-masculinizes you. You just don't feel like a man anymore, or even desired. It's not that I'm unhappy to the point of wanting to leave. It's more about not being fulfilled with physical intamacy enough. What do you think is more frustrating? - being single and not getting any? Or actually having a SO & not getting any action?

The thing is, that AMPs bring back the feelings. They bring back being desired. They bring back the excitement. They bring back your masiculinity of dominance & release of aggression. Pretty much what every healthy male needs. No average woman will ever understand the physical needs of a man. In AMPs, everything is just fulfilled because, although these girls are realistcally just working for $, they provide an outlet for any need that lacks back home.

If my SO kept fulfilling me they way as she did before in the good ol days, I would not look anywhere else, I wouldn't have taken the plunge into the AMP scene or the risks. With a long term SO, There's days where you'd be left dry for way too long & even make clear to what Is needed. Yet nothing is met, or in most cases, they get super irritated with you for wanting some intamacy. Real talk though. Read: "His needs, Her needs" by willard harley. It explains the real reasons why people stray away. I made my SO read that book, but you know, women don't listen. Reality of it all.[/QUOTE]Judging by the bunch of responses all agreeing with PMoo144's post, the situation does suggest one key to the fact the AMP scene is so healthy and thriving in Honolulu is a ton of guys locally are not getting their physical needs met in their intimate relationships. So, it could even be theorized the bulk of the sex biz on this island is driven, fed, and empowered by women, not men; the providers on one end, and mongers' wives and girlfriends (having pushed their guys into a position where they must seek fulfillment elsewhere) on the other end.

In every case, if you used to get your physical needs fulfilled by your SO but no longer do, this strongly indicates she has grabbed full control in the relationship. Little wonder then, and quite perceptive, when PMoo144 says,"It kind of de-masculinizes you. You just don't feel like a man anymore. " Indeed, how can you possibly feel like a man when your woman has assumed the power position in the relationship by withholding sex and intimacy? Ultimately though, it is your responsibility as a man to discover how to re-establish your position of dominance in the relationship. Once you accomplish this task, she will enthusiastically come back around to fulfilling your sexual needs. But handing her a book to read is absolutely not the answer! Actually, it is even counterproductive, partly because women operate out of feelings not intellect, and partly because the reason she (unconsciously!) grabbed control of the relationship in the first place is because she WANTS something from you and you have to figure out what that thing is and how to give it to her (relationship dominance). There are guys around, teachers, who educate other guys on this stuff, and you probably need to do your own research to find these teachers. But one of those guys is a cat named Daniel Rose. Actually I first heard of Daniel through the recommendation of another monger on this board.

I feel like an idiot and a hypocrite talking about this stuff, seeing as how I myself haven't had to wrestle with these experiences or overcome this type if challenge, and don't have an SO. However, nobody else has stepped up to the plate to offer these ideas and this info, so I guess I've got to be the one to do it.

Cosmic out.

Just wanted to post that with all the BB in this town and with all the posters here who partake not to mention the ****** who provide it (all the usual suspects) there hasn't been any reported incidences or sudden departures or even rumors of infection of any sort? I find it so strange. I mean Hawaii is a hub not to mention a heavy destination you'd think it would be. I love statistics so it's even more bizarre from my perspective.

[QUOTE=CosmicKid;3199139]Judging by the bunch of responses all agreeing with PMoo144's post, the situation does suggest one key to the fact the AMP scene is so healthy and thriving in Honolulu is a ton of guys locally are not getting their physical needs met in their intimate relationships. So, it could even be theorized the bulk of the sex biz on this island is driven, fed, and empowered by women, not men; the providers on one end, and mongers' wives and girlfriends (having pushed their guys into a position where they must seek fulfillment elsewhere) on the other end.

In every case, if you used to get your physical needs fulfilled by your SO but no longer do, this strongly indicates she has grabbed full control in the relationship. Little wonder then, and quite perceptive, when PMoo144 says,"It kind of de-masculinizes you. You just don't feel like a man anymore. " Indeed, how can you possibly feel like a man when your woman has assumed the power position in the relationship by withholding sex and intimacy? Ultimately though, it is your responsibility as a man to discover how to re-establish your position of dominance in the relationship. Once you accomplish this task, she will enthusiastically come back around to fulfilling your sexual needs. But handing her a book to read is absolutely not the answer! Actually, it is even counterproductive, partly because women operate out of feelings not intellect, and partly because the reason she (unconsciously!) grabbed control of the relationship in the first place is because she WANTS something from you and you have to figure out what that thing is and how to give it to her (relationship dominance). There are guys around, teachers, who educate other guys on this stuff, and you probably need to do your own research to find these teachers. But one of those guys is a cat named Daniel Rose. Actually I first heard of Daniel through the recommendation of another monger on this board.

I feel like an idiot and a hypocrite talking about this stuff, seeing as how I myself haven't had to wrestle with these experiences or overcome this type if challenge, and don't have an SO. However, nobody else has stepped up to the plate to offer these ideas and this info, so I guess I've got to be the one to do it.

Cosmic out.[/QUOTE]Great point CK! But if I may, I think some guys may be in my shoes. Great sexy wife, but tired form working, takING care my son, house chores etc. So at the end of the day she's beat. Sex is great when she's not all tired. Lucky me she is PSE, anal atm, everything. But, most times she's too tired and knocks out early. By the time I get home. So, I don't want to bother her. Hence, AMP'S.

And lucky me, I have some great GF relationships with some wonderful girls at the AMP so I have a perfect life. Just saying in my case.

[QUOTE=Raiden;3199384]Great point CK! But if I may, I think some guys may be in my shoes. Great sexy wife, but tired form working, takING care my son, house chores etc. So at the end of the day she's beat. Sex is great when she's not all tired. Lucky me she is PSE, anal atm, everything. But, most times she's too tired and knocks out early. By the time I get home. So, I don't want to bother her. Hence, AMP'S.

And lucky me, I have some great GF relationships with some wonderful girls at the AMP so I have a perfect life. Just saying in my case.[/QUOTE]Me too! Sometimes I want to have sex with my wife. Everything thing is on the menu I have no complaints. Sometimes I want to have sex with my GF. She is younger and a ton of fun. Sometimes I want one of my go to AMP girls and sometimes I just want to try a new girl and venture into the unknown. Sometimes I'll pick up a Japanese tourist at the mall! I just can't pick one. My mongering has nothing to do with a lack of attention at home. I'm just a lying, unfaithful cheating bastard. LOL!

[QUOTE=SlideHammer;3199251]Just wanted to post that with all the BB in this town and with all the posters here who partake not to mention the ****** who provide it (all the usual suspects) there hasn't been any reported incidences or sudden departures or even rumors of infection of any sort? I find it so strange. I mean Hawaii is a hub not to mention a heavy destination you'd think it would be. I love statistics so it's even more bizarre from my perspective.[/QUOTE]You might never know you have it until it fucks up your life later on. Or the lives of any future partner you might actually care about. Standard STD tests only test for HIV, Gono, Syph, and Chlamydia. HPV, HSV, Hepatitis and other common infections arent usually tested.

[QUOTE=UlanFan;3199619]Me too! Sometimes I want to have sex with my wife. Everything thing is on the menu I have no complaints. Sometimes I want to have sex with my GF. She is younger and a ton of fun. Sometimes I want one of my go to AMP girls and sometimes I just want to try a new girl and venture into the unknown. Sometimes I'll pick up a Japanese tourist at the mall! I just can't pick one. My mongering has nothing to do with a lack of attention at home. I'm just a lying, unfaithful cheating bastard. LOL![/QUOTE]You are so honorable and honest, you must be a politician. Mufi?

Anybody know of a discreet way for getting tested for STD's? I'm thinking of a home kit or something like it. I tested once at the Diamond Head Clinic and ran into someone I knew, which was awkward. I looked up STD Test Express and it looks like all labs have closed except for one in Aiea off Kam Hwy. , but I haven't confirmed if it's actually operational yet. Thoughts? Recommendations?

[QUOTE=Losi5;3220318]Anybody know of a discreet way for getting tested for STD's? I'm thinking of a home kit or something like it. I tested once at the Diamond Head Clinic and ran into someone I knew, which was awkward. I looked up STD Test Express and it looks like all labs have closed except for one in Aiea off Kam Hwy. , but I haven't confirmed if it's actually operational yet. Thoughts? Recommendations?[/QUOTE]Then, probably your primary care physician would send you out to a lab such as DLS with a request form, but it will not be free. It also may become awkward for people who get "checked regularly" because of a BB hobby; expect to get scolded by your doctor at some point for not using protection etc.

On the other hand, your doctor could order tests to also include the items mentioned by ClintonPortis, depending on your particular case.

Even if you run into someone at a med lab though, you could just say something like your doctor is checking your cholesterol for example.

Good luck.