You not tell me I could have gotten paid to post?
Thousands of dollars? Freebies? Special "favors"?
Someone should have told me about this YEARS ago!
If I had gotten a dime for every post I'd have about 10 bucks by now!
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You not tell me I could have gotten paid to post?
Thousands of dollars? Freebies? Special "favors"?
Someone should have told me about this YEARS ago!
If I had gotten a dime for every post I'd have about 10 bucks by now!
I don't know what you are talking about here with the paid to post stuff but I post because I hate having to pay for shit others have already gone through. Escort Skyy is dittsey and half retarded but loves to cum and will flood the bed. That is good information. When I tell you her rates are gps and she is all covered with no affection at all. Now you have enough to work with. Do I want no affection, condom blow and fuck a 25 year old for 250/30 or do I want a 50 year old to BBBJ / BBFS cip for 80/30,after some hugs and licking? Information is what we turn the data into. Her data is 25/260/30. My information is "cold dead fish, either you get it up urself or it is a no go buy you still have to pay full price. ".
My only incentive here is to be as good as I get. The better my reviews the better others will be. I like that. Community. Now where is the next BBFS cip gangbang, I want to fuck a fully loaded cream filled pie.
[QUOTE=MaximusKahn;6006636]You not tell me I could have gotten paid to post?
Thousands of dollars? Freebies? Special "favors"?
Someone should have told me about this YEARS ago!
If I had gotten a dime for every post I'd have about 10 bucks by now![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BlueSkyBlue;6006569]Since you reference back to May 5, why don't you try going back a few years longer than that.
Years newbie, go back over the years and see that RChangDatyKing is an extremely valuable insight for contributor to this forum.
You show up for a few months and think you know the whole San Diego scene?
Try to live a little life before you have an opinion on life, RChangDatyKing Absolutely has walk the walk many times.
I personally think this, truly does deserve to be in the "stupid shit category".[/QUOTE]Pay no attention to this A-Hole BlueSkyBlue. We know who he is. He doesn't like some of us because we prefer to have "fun" with this hobby. Like the other monger said, he's a loser.
Mr MuffMan.
[QUOTE=MrMuffMan;6007362]Pay no attention to this A-Hole BlueSkyBlue. We know who he is. He doesn't like some of us because we prefer to have "fun" with this hobby. Like the other monger said, he's a loser.
Mr MuffMan.[/QUOTE]It is really simple math. This guy they call the king has left comments but not one review since May. It's not that complicated people. It becomes nauseous to watch him comment about nothing. Just leave one review I mean one review is not too much to ask right?
[QUOTE=MrMuffMan;6007362]Pay no attention to this A-Hole BlueSkyBlue. We know who he is. He doesn't like some of us because we prefer to have "fun" with this hobby. Like the other monger said, he's a loser.
Mr MuffMan.[/QUOTE]I got to say, veteran mongers tend to have different fun times than the newbies though. (ie. YMMV situation tends to happen more often than usual). Then all of sudden newbies get angry about "fake" reviews. Just because she is a cold, dead fish to you, doesn't mean she's not going to have a BBFSCIP session with anybody. Learn how to be the exception surfdog.
[QUOTE=DelMarSurfdog;6007621]It is really simple math. This guy they call the king has left comments but not one review since May. It's not that complicated people. It becomes nauseous to watch him comment about nothing. Just leave one review I mean one review is not too much to ask right?[/QUOTE]I didn't have to go back to May 5th to see that I left 2 reviews on 6/30/22 for Sunny Massage and Spa (great place BTW) and Convoy Massage (saw a popular well known masseuse there now). I don't have to explain shit further to you because YOU have no credibility to me. Your other handle with 700 plus reviews also has no credibility to me. Again thanks for taking interest in my posts. You should check out some of my recommended spots and maybe you can review more than just Bora and Eleven. Don't get me wrong, I love SDAG as well but I don't need to brag with another handle how many reviews you've completed.
I get that this is the "shit talking" subforum and I guess I'm glad for it, because it keeps the other threads pretty clean. But fellas, can we chill please? Some member is using a burner account to try and slander RChangDATYKing, which is totally unnecessary and also cowardly. If you have something to say, say it under your real account. I've butted heads with many of you and whether it's publicly or over DMs, we've at least used our real handles.
If anyone doesn't like King's posts, use the mute button. For me, King is a trusted monger and a great reporter of visits. If he posted a review every time he went to a massage parlor, he'd have 5 k posts. It's like, are you complaining that he posts too much or too little?
Everyone here is here for one thing: the girls. All the big names fighting with each other, you're all great reporters and I've gotten good intel from all of you. The fights start when we disagree about the girls. But that's fine. When members start beating each other up and going after who the member is, as a person, we're just creating pointless drama and not furthering the forum at all.
We don't have to get along or agree with each other, but I encourage everyone fighting in here to chill. Review your girls, comment on posts, have fun. And if things get personal, try to hash it out privately instead of trying to dunk on each other (or worse, creating fake handles to argue with each other). I'm guilty of this too, so definitely not taking any moral high ground here. Just noticing the deterioration of things and felt like speaking up. My. 02.
[QUOTE=DelMarSurfdog;6005792]So this clown has left $199 comments since May 5th. Half of them are as follows. "hey bro, thank you so much for the review, I totally agree with you bro you are the man!
"Keep up the great work bro, yes these ladies are so beautiful and so awesome and I can't wait to go see them again!
100% total blow fest without any contributions of reviews and yet so many other people are constantly blowing him.
#Shitshow.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Waylay;6008497]I get that this is the "shit talking" subforum and I guess I'm glad for it, because it keeps the other threads pretty clean. But fellas, can we chill please? Some member is using a burner account to try and slander RChangDATYKing, which is totally unnecessary and also cowardly. If you have something to say, say it under your real account. I've butted heads with many of you and whether it's publicly or over DMs, we've at least used our real handles.
If anyone doesn't like King's posts, use the mute button. For me, King is a trusted monger and a great reporter of visits. If he posted a review every time he went to a massage parlor, he'd have 5 k posts. It's like, are you complaining that he posts too much or too little?
Everyone here is here for one thing: the girls. All the big names fighting with each other, you're all great reporters and I've gotten good intel from all of you. The fights start when we disagree about the girls. But that's fine. When members start beating each other up and going after who the member is, as a person, we're just creating pointless drama and not furthering the forum at all.
We don't have to get along or agree with each other, but I encourage everyone fighting in here to chill. Review your girls, comment on posts, have fun. And if things get personal, try to hash it out privately instead of trying to dunk on each other (or worse, creating fake handles to argue with each other). I'm guilty of this too, so definitely not taking any moral high ground here. Just noticing the deterioration of things and felt like speaking up. My. 02.[/QUOTE]Well said Waylay. Apparently some mongers are jealous that some of us other mongers are having fun. Stupid if you ask me. Yes, if you don't like my posts, or Kings posts, or Waylay's posts, please by all means, block us. But to come on here and attack one of, if not THE most credible reviewer / monger on this forum, it's not only ridiculous, but basically crossed the line. That's why many of us came to his defense. But in the end, anyone with half a brain, can see right through this "posters" agenda. So I would encourage mongers reading this to just delete / pass over any of this "posters" posts. As they're absolutely meaningless.
Mr MuffMan.
[QUOTE=RChangDatyKing;6008218]I didn't have to go back to May 5th to see that I left 2 reviews on 6/30/22 for Sunny.[/QUOTE]You have left 199 comments but yet on June 30th you didn't leave anything at all. You said you left reviews you did not. Convoy massage nothing. I have no idea what you're talking about. The bottom line is a little Vietnamese man you do not contribute anything other than saying hello to your Bros. Again 199 comments and not one review please contribute something Jesus Christ.
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[blue]Greetings Everyone,
DelMar Surfdog posted that he/she will no longer be participating in the forum.
Pursuant to Forum Policy, I have deleted this resignation post and retired his/her membership.
Thanks,
Jackson
Actually he didn't quite he doxxed a guy but doxxing somebody is like quitting.
I also banned your real user "The DudeInSd" and am going to make it a point to ban all new users you create.
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[QUOTE=DelMarSurfdog;6008989]
Greetings Everyone,
DelMar Surfdog posted that he/she will no longer be participating in the forum.
Pursuant to Forum Policy, I have deleted this resignation post and retired his/her membership.
Thanks,
Jackson
Actually he didn't quite he doxxed a guy but doxxing somebody is like quitting.
I also banned your real user "The DudeInSd" and am going to make it a point to ban all new users you create.
A2[/QUOTE]I find this to be extremely funny LOL WTF. Why bother making burner accounts to troll?
Hey all, relatively new Sr. Member to the forum but monger for quite a while. Is it just me or is some of the over-hyping of a spot kind of leading it to it's demise. Case in point is VIP and NLBC. So many people posting how those places were best ever, "crushing competition" etc. And now both are gone. Anyone aware of other spa's that have suffered the same fate because of this? I'm just curious because it would suck to have some of the other spots shut down for the same reasons like 7, 108 etc. Any thoughts?
[QUOTE=DavDerk;6009932]Hey all, relatively new Sr. Member to the forum but monger for quite a while. Is it just me or is some of the over-hyping of a spot kind of leading it to it's demise. Case in point is VIP and NLBC. So many people posting how those places were best ever, "crushing competition" etc. And now both are gone. Anyone aware of other spa's that have suffered the same fate because of this? I'm just curious because it would suck to have some of the other spots shut down for the same reasons like 7, 108 etc. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]Back in the Hana spa days I know this got them too. They had the hottest ladies and provided the best experience, especially compared to other spots in the convoy area. All the attention contributed to them closing and relocating as Pine.
Not sure there's a way to avoid this though. Seems like anytime someone posts an overwhelmingly positive review about an AMP or HX / PD / Indie girl, it inevitably leads to a lot of attention. Results in more foot traffic, eyes on a spot, menu changing, GPS etc. Can also rarely lead to other providers stepping their game up to compete. It feels like once the "cat is out of the bag", you just got to enjoy it though. I often question if it's worth leaving a review or report on some ladies, since it's already been said by others, so why restate or confirm it? It's a tough balance to maintain sometimes since some posters definitely have ulterior motives on here and I am not up to speed with some of that drama that may have played a part in VIP / NLBC closing. All good things come to an end, so joy it while you can I say.
[QUOTE=DavDerk;6009932]Hey all, relatively new Sr. Member to the forum but monger for quite a while. Is it just me or is some of the over-hyping of a spot kind of leading it to it's demise. Case in point is VIP and NLBC. So many people posting how those places were best ever, "crushing competition" etc. And now both are gone. Anyone aware of other spa's that have suffered the same fate because of this? I'm just curious because it would suck to have some of the other spots shut down for the same reasons like 7, 108 etc. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if over-hyping a spot would directly result in that spot getting shut down; However, I tend to avoid certain spots that are concurrent in monger reports. In all my travels, I've noticed that Mongers tend to follow each other--That includes the lurkers as well as the avid report writers. I'm not into fist-bumping the last guy coming out (take that as you will) and the next guy arriving. I prefer low-volume.
Following the recommendations of other mongers (reviews) are for entertainment purposes only. Just like some men, I don't want sloppy seconds and enjoy that a provider cleans herself afterwards (or do they?) I prefer to get the 1st appt in the morning, but sometimes the horniness happens and I just walk in, get'er done, and I'm out happy.
In terms of service, have they really served that many men or the amount of sex they've had?
In terms of McD's, it's burgers, not customers. So if I saw Mina, multiple times, was that 1 time, or shall I record multiple times?
[QUOTE=DrPornDawger;6011436]Following the recommendations of other mongers (reviews) are for entertainment purposes only. Just like some men, I don't want sloppy seconds and enjoy that a provider cleans herself afterwards (or do they?) I prefer to get the 1st appt in the morning, but sometimes the horniness happens and I just walk in, get'er done, and I'm out happy.
In terms of service, have they really served that many men or the amount of sex they've had?
In terms of McD's, it's burgers, not customers. So if I saw Mina, multiple times, was that 1 time, or shall I record multiple times?[/QUOTE]You can really tell who's a germaphobe when you get to know a provider a little, but some are sloppier than others. I know girls who can watch you take a shower or shower with you and they'll still make you gargle listerine and they'll spray down your hands dick balls and asshole with disinfectant spray.
Monica at 108 was amazing because she was always fresh out of the shower. She'd try to shower after every monger. Love that about her.
But, I will admit. I have sent a provider off to the next guy with a pussy full of cum. Seen her walk right into his room. Hope he did not dine at the why that day LOL.
[QUOTE=Waylay;6011465]You can really tell who's a germaphobe when you get to know a provider a little, but some are sloppier than others. I know girls who can watch you take a shower or shower with you and they'll still make you gargle listerine and they'll spray down your hands dick balls and asshole with disinfectant spray.
Monica at 108 was amazing because she was always fresh out of the shower. She'd try to shower after every monger. Love that about her.
But, I will admit. I have sent a provider off to the next guy with a pussy full of cum. Seen her walk right into his room. Hope he did not dine at the why that day LOL.[/QUOTE]I have to admit, I've done that as well. I've left that provider with all my seed. Immediately as I left, I noticed the next guy knock on her door and was left in luckily he didn't notice me leaving her.
[QUOTE=Waylay;6011465]You can really tell who's a germaphobe when you get to know a provider a little, but some are sloppier than others. I know girls who can watch you take a shower or shower with you and they'll still make you gargle listerine and they'll spray down your hands dick balls and asshole with disinfectant spray.
Monica at 108 was amazing because she was always fresh out of the shower. She'd try to shower after every monger. Love that about her.
But, I will admit. I have sent a provider off to the next guy with a pussy full of cum. Seen her walk right into his room. Hope he did not dine at the why that day LOL.[/QUOTE]One leaves, one comes, sloppy seconds. A story as old as sex and I'm sure the ladies have their ideas about it as well. Several ladies I've seen over the years were completely puzzled over why a guy, knowing she was just jizzed and had another guys lubricants inside her, even wanted to DATY or go bare! They even laughed at the guys that came second and dined on them. But $$ spoke louder than hygiene and they hurried one out while another one was on the way up. To the ladies I just spoke of. Well they thought their hygiene was just fine because they "wiped with baby wipes".
Unless you are in a 100% monogomous relationship, there is no guarantee of hygiene. The Asian houses / AMPs at least give you the impression of being clean with the shower / blue toast. Some Indies will also insist you shower, alone. I've seen both Asians and Indie girls go to the shower after the session, squat in the shower and clean. Bottom line to this rant? Even if you are first you may not be "first"! What about that BF she has sex with in the morning before YOU see her? Yes, that happens also.
[QUOTE=DrPornDawger;6011436]Following the recommendations of other mongers (reviews) are for entertainment purposes only. Just like some men, I don't want sloppy seconds and enjoy that a provider cleans herself afterwards (or do they?) I prefer to get the 1st appt in the morning, but sometimes the horniness happens and I just walk in, get'er done, and I'm out happy.
In terms of service, have they really served that many men or the amount of sex they've had?
In terms of McD's, it's burgers, not customers. So if I saw Mina, multiple times, was that 1 time, or shall I record multiple times?[/QUOTE]To be honest, sometimes DFKing with a provider who is well-reviewed for CIM makes you double think about the action. But then, as long as I don't taste someone else's cum, shit I'm golden.
[QUOTE=ArrogantBstrd;6010164]I'm not sure if over-hyping a spot would directly result in that spot getting shut down; However, I tend to avoid certain spots that are concurrent in monger reports. In all my travels, I've noticed that Mongers tend to follow each other--That includes the lurkers as well as the avid report writers. I'm not into fist-bumping the last guy coming out (take that as you will) and the next guy arriving. I prefer low-volume.[/QUOTE]I don't like crowded restaurants, waiting for a table, distracted servers, etc. . . Finding hidden treasures and a businesses slow times is my current joy with this hobby.
Concerning over-hyped places getting shut down more so than others? I think San Diego's spa history can speak to that. Many spas that are rarely reported or have zero reports have been shutdown for various reasons. The spas mentioned the most get the most attention when something happens because they were so popular, but how many times have we read about a spa being closed that we've never been to? Short memories will have to look at this forum pre-pandemic, but pay attention to future closures from little known spas.
BTW, Rafela was recently closed and now reopened under new ownership. Same name and same services in case anyone is wondering. You may be pleasantly surprised with some of the ladies you'll see there.
Don't you feel foolish now after trying to convince a popular working girl, with what I'm told was a very detailed analysis, that I was DelMar Surfdog. LOL!
As you're aware, she never believed you in the first place, but I don't blame you. She is a siren, but really? Don't worry buddy, I was looking out for you and told her it was probably petty jealousy that motivated your actions. A forgivable offense in this business so you can still go see her.
While some may claim to be "best friends" with some of these working girls, I wouldn't say that as that would make any reference to them biased or simply my own wishful thinking. However, developing a kinship with these working ladies is something I value more than busting a nut. There are plenty of fish in the sea, but when you find a mermaid that values you as much as you value them, you treasure it like your own flesh and blood. That bond supersedes any "good customer" or "old customer" relationship.
Let's please get back to enjoying and supporting these working girls without the drama.
[QUOTE=DelMarSurfdog;6008989]Deleted by Admin
Greetings Everyone,
DelMar Surfdog posted that he/she will no longer be participating in the forum.
Pursuant to Forum Policy, I have deleted this resignation post and retired his/her membership.
Thanks,
Jackson
Actually he didn't quite he doxxed a guy but doxxing somebody is like quitting.
I also banned your real user "The DudeInSd" and am going to make it a point to ban all new users you create.
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[QUOTE=Ryan1979;6013329]Don't you feel foolish now after trying to convince a popular working girl, with what I'm told was a very detailed analysis, that I was DelMar Surfdog. LOL!
As you're aware, she never believed you in the first place, but I don't blame you. She is a siren, but really? Don't worry buddy, I was looking out for you and told her it was probably petty jealousy that motivated your actions. A forgivable offense in this business so you can still go see her.
While some may claim to be "best friends" with some of these working girls, I wouldn't say that as that would make any reference to them biased or simply my own wishful thinking. However, developing a kinship with these working ladies is something I value more than busting a nut. There are plenty of fish in the sea, but when you find a mermaid that values you as much as you value them, you treasure it like your own flesh and blood. That bond supersedes any "good customer" or "old customer" relationship.
Let's please get back to enjoying and supporting these working girls without the drama.[/QUOTE]I'm still rather shocked to hear there's whole bunch of shit drama happening in the back. Hobbying doesn't need to be transactional only but jeez, easy guys LOL.
Hello gentlemen. I'd like to start by saying that I very much appreciate this forum and the community that has grown around it. Here, we've been afforded an opportunity to seek out those things we are interested in and even to experience those others that perhaps we were never aware existed or could be of interest to us. I am grateful for the knowledge, experience, and anecdotes that are shared here and which have been very helpful in making my efforts more fruitful. Many of you already know that I am more than happy to share my own experiences when my time permits. Having said all that, I may now be risking taking a stance that may prove unpopular with some. That is, I don't fucking care who gets what for free, who pays less for what, or whether my mileage varies. It's part of the game we play and I am not troubled that others are more astute at receiving the aforementioned gifts from the phenomenal women we all seek. If anything, God bless them for getting freebies and gimmies. Not a single one of us would decline such an offer in exchange for a review that is honest but favorable. All I propose is that we take this forum for what it is, an opportunity to share and build community. If some members want to spend hours debating, arguing, and spewing hateful rhetoric then I will simply ignore it and mine the information that is useful for me from their comments. Believe me, I have never had a bad experience with any of the ladies or places that have been shared here favorably before. So who gives a shit what the transactional component of the arrangement was between a member and a provider? Please, just focus on the purpose of this forum and put suppositions and jealousy aside. Let's just get along and hope that we continue to be as fortunate through our shared information as we all have been already. Thanks for reading.
[QUOTE=Tijuaniko;6014123]Hello gentlemen. I'd like to start by saying that I very much appreciate this forum and the community that has grown around it. Here, we've been afforded an opportunity to seek out those things we are interested in and even to experience those others that perhaps we were never aware existed or could be of interest to us. I am grateful for the knowledge, experience, and anecdotes that are shared here and which have been very helpful in making my efforts more fruitful. Many of you already know that I am more than happy to share my own experiences when my time permits. Having said all that, I may now be risking taking a stance that may prove unpopular with some. That is, I don't fucking care who gets what for free, who pays less for what, or whether my mileage varies. It's part of the game we play and I am not troubled that others are more astute at receiving the aforementioned gifts from the phenomenal women we all seek. If anything, God bless them for getting freebies and gimmies. Not a single one of us would decline such an offer in exchange for a review that is honest but favorable. All I propose is that we take this forum for what it is, an opportunity to share and build community. If some members want to spend hours debating, arguing, and spewing hateful rhetoric then I will simply ignore it and mine the information that is useful for me from their comments. Believe me, I have never had a bad experience with any of the ladies or places that have been shared here favorably before. So who gives a shit what the transactional component of the arrangement was between a member and a provider? Please, just focus on the purpose of this forum and put suppositions and jealousy aside. Let's just get along and hope that we continue to be as fortunate through our shared information as we all have been already. Thanks for reading.[/QUOTE]I think the purpose of this forum is to provide accurate information and to be helpful to fellow mongers. It is not helpful when someone is being paid (paid in free service, or kickback or whatever) to post false reports in an attempt to increase business to a specific girl or group. Or, to do the opposite, and talk shit about a girl / organization in an attempt to hurt their business.
Concur. I would like to further add that reposting ads and reiterating the obvious in an attempt to obtain free service, kickback, or just plain attempt to get the providers to see you outside of the hobby.
[QUOTE=TrustyHairlip;6021767]I think the purpose of this forum is to provide accurate information and to be helpful to fellow mongers. It is not helpful when someone is being paid (paid in free service, or kickback or whatever) to post false reports in an attempt to increase business to a specific girl or group. Or, to do the opposite, and talk shit about a girl / organization in an attempt to hurt their business.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tijuaniko;6014123]Hello gentlemen. I'd like to start by saying that I very much appreciate this forum and the community that has grown around it. Here, we've been afforded an opportunity to seek out those things we are interested in and even to experience those others that perhaps we were never aware existed or could be of interest to us. I am grateful for the knowledge, experience, and anecdotes that are shared here and which have been very helpful in making my efforts more fruitful. Many of you already know that I am more than happy to share my own experiences when my time permits. Having said all that, I may now be risking taking a stance that may prove unpopular with some. That is, I don't fucking care who gets what for free, who pays less for what, or whether my mileage varies. It's part of the game we play and I am not troubled that others are more astute at receiving the aforementioned gifts from the phenomenal women we all seek. If anything, God bless them for getting freebies and gimmies. Not a single one of us would decline such an offer in exchange for a review that is honest but favorable. All I propose is that we take this forum for what it is, an opportunity to share and build community. If some members want to spend hours debating, arguing, and spewing hateful rhetoric then I will simply ignore it and mine the information that is useful for me from their comments. Believe me, I have never had a bad experience with any of the ladies or places that have been shared here favorably before. So who gives a shit what the transactional component of the arrangement was between a member and a provider? Please, just focus on the purpose of this forum and put suppositions and jealousy aside. Let's just get along and hope that we continue to be as fortunate through our shared information as we all have been already. Thanks for reading.[/QUOTE]That's great and all, but this former member was divisive as hell. Anytime anyone made an honest negative remark about the girls he represented, he would lash out at them. And not only that, they used to post negative reviews here and on TER until they got called out for it. And then he would create mediocre but slightly positive reviews for girls from non-SDAG or Cris's Crap group to make it seem like he was impartial. He would always make glowing review for girls that were CLEARLY not good and likely not getting enough bookings. If you can't understand that person's intentions now, then you're very naive.
This behavior is unacceptable. And the number of alternate accounts posting reviews and shilling the original ad is overwhelming. I am confident there are still several accounts that are tied to them simply based on the content. No one else is posting any kind of crap in favor of any the masseuses at Cris's group, because they are overpriced and not good to look at.
Agreed. That Dude and his many clones effectively poisoned honest discussion here with self-serving disinformation. I'm now "moderated" because I dared to question the integrity of one such clone. So be it. Sure, we can all "just get along" so long as we all play fair. I think it was allowed tonfester for far too long. And its not over yet by a long shot.
[QUOTE=JuvyNiled;6022942]That's great and all, but this former member was divisive as hell. Anytime anyone made an honest negative remark about the girls he represented, he would lash out at them. And not only that, they used to post negative reviews here and on TER until they got called out for it. And then he would create mediocre but slightly positive reviews for girls from non-SDAG or Cris's Crap group to make it seem like he was impartial. He would always make glowing review for girls that were CLEARLY not good and likely not getting enough bookings. If you can't understand that person's intentions now, then you're very naive.
This behavior is unacceptable. And the number of alternate accounts posting reviews and shilling the original ad is overwhelming. I am confident there are still several accounts that are tied to them simply based on the content. No one else is posting any kind of crap in favor of any the masseuses at Cris's group, because they are overpriced and not good to look at.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RolfTorren;6022968]Agreed. That Dude and his many clones effectively poisoned honest discussion here with self-serving disinformation. I'm now "moderated" because I dared to question the integrity of one such clone. So be it. Sure, we can all "just get along" so long as we all play fair. I think it was allowed tonfester for far too long. And its not over yet by a long shot.[/QUOTE]I was told to stop "arguing" with those clones or I would be moderated. And that was the first month one of the clones appeared on the board. First question that hit me when I saw the notice of the removal, "how do you know which clone he is"? What I do know about websites is this. Every time you visit a site, your IP address, Device Name, User name, etc are captured in a log. What the public can't see in a post is the IP Address of the poster. Doesn't take much to gather data on the IP Address and associate it with a User then check the email address of that user. That's all part of the backend of this system. Easy to track people.
Now that I wake up every morning to bacon and can't but wonder of these admins are going to start researching and see if these new clones go back to a dude. Geolocation will certainly help them. No, this is not over by a long shot.
[QUOTE=EH09M3;6022874]Concur. I would like to further add that reposting ads and reiterating the obvious in an attempt to obtain free service, kickback, or just plain attempt to get the providers to see you outside of the hobby.[/QUOTE]Personally I don't mind reading the shills because I unapologetically support these working girls and I know how to walk away. If a monger gets a pass on the house fee for a favorable report, that's cool, just like getting discounts or freebies from any business that appreciates a good report on Yelp, Google, etcetera, but. . .
It's the leaches that expect or demand a freebie for writing a shill report that chaps my ass. Sometimes threatening to do the opposite, write a bad report or report to the police if not compensated in some way.
It's unfortunate that some spas have literally succumbed to paying some mongers for reports. When I'm offered this from a spa, I'm quick to politely refuse but realize I'm not the only one that's been made this offer. Easy for me to tell who's who on the forums. Even some well respected members have become corrupted, but lately many reports really help with my bowel movements when I'm on the can. My favorite time to catch up on this forum. LOL!
Reading some of these mongers ass fucking each other reminds me of the first time I saw Brokeback Mountain. The homo scenes were nauseating to watch, but I just had to know what was happening.
Oh well, if the spas feel it's worth it, then more power to them, but I have no respect for the mongers that are basically taking advantage of these spas and taking credibility away from the forum. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't effect me so que sara sara, but I do feel a bit sorry for the newbies and the gullible. That's why I always preach the number one rule. . .
No matter what you've read, if you don't like what you see or not feeling it, walk away.
This can be said for any service related business. My eyes always roll when I read a report that starts with something like "I should've walked away, but. . ." proceeded by a bad report. Trust your instincts especially at AMPs.
The San Diego area is the Macau for AMPs. If your not lucky at one AMP, you've got hundreds of others to go to. Also know that your luck is always changing at some spas so take a break from a spa, but never cross them off your list. Personally, the hunt is just as much fun as the kill and I always go back to an old hunting ground as the AMP scene is as dynamic as life itself.
I'm more concerned about the mongers, clones, whatever that diss and try to extort these spas by threatening to get them busted, pretending to be police and other tactics that cause distress to these spas, girls and generally fuck up the service for the good mongers that appreciate these working girls.
I'd really like to see more mongers calling out these types of assholes more so than each other. With some mongers claiming to be good friends with some spas and girls they must hear about these ass fucks and be able to obtain videos and photos to share and warn other spas and girls. Trust me, the AMP network is tight and just sharing with a girl or two has an exponential effect.
If you want to really be appreciated by these spas and girls, help protect them from these assholes.
And to those worried about the shills, just learn how to walk away and it's all good.
[QUOTE=Ryan1979;6025637]Personally I don't mind reading the shills because I unapologetically support these working girls and I know how to walk away. If a monger gets a pass on the house fee for a favorable report, that's cool, just like getting discounts or freebies from any business that appreciates a good report on Yelp, Google, etcetera,.[/QUOTE]The thing with the dude and his reviews is once you have explored one or two of what he had shilled you have calibrated your threshold. For me if the dude shilled it. It was likely no good. Saved me a lot of time.
[QUOTE=SpacePet;6026532]The thing with the dude and his reviews is once you have explored one or two of what he had shilled you have calibrated your threshold. For me if the dude shilled it. It was likely no good. Saved me a lot of time.[/QUOTE]I think you have forgotten that "the dude" was a big fan of NLBC which was no doubt one of the premier FS spots after some of the VIP personnel acquired it. The same could be said for VIP Spring Valley when this group initially acquired that location even though though it's facilities were lacking.
I have yet to see a valid explanation for why NLBC closed, but hopefully this group will open another location in San Diego as they seem to have a knack for finding some of the best talent San Diego has ever seen. Also, has anyone else noticed how some of the other spas had to step up their game to be competitive?
Competition breeds excellence.
I can't speak for others but I seem to be attracted to, and find, the spas and women who don't want me to tell our secrets. I'm very much into UTR action.
I'm also anonymous at the spas and on this site, and have never been asked to post.
IMHO, any "report" or post that is a first hand experience and genuine I can appreciate.
It is easy to suspect any report that is grossly over the top to be a shill. For that matter any report that is leaning towards warning others about something is equally suspicious. A monger can give an honest poor report with out making it sound like a warning.
We can all apply the "YMWV" lenses to a report we read and make our own judgment as to it's validity.
Many Mongers are known by the girls by name and by their handle here, thus also making me suspicious of their motives and intent. But even if a monger knows the girls, spa owners, mms, they can still give a honest positive report that is useful. So long as it is first hand knowledge by their own experience.
One style of report that always makes me laugh are the guys who tell us where where they "plan" to go, or praise the places they have to check out, and never follow up. Or the ones who toss out a lot of names and say any one will make you happy without giving personal details of their own experiences with them. These guys are clearly shilling for a thrilling in some way.
They also tend to be the piggy back posters, who reinforce what other post. Or parrot back what others have said adding nothing new.
If someone knows the girls personally, reports positively and gets a little back, I'm okay with that so long as the report is honest.
And so long as they don't keep flooding the site with repeats, piggy back, or parrot posts.
I know you guys probably think these are just overzealous supporters, but you should guy be aware that this forum is frequented very often by bookers and pimps. As I have stated to others privately, I will say it here now. I'm pretty certain that was a booker or someone affiliated with management. They have a strong incentive to get you to check out their business, and at some point it started becoming really unethical.
They didn't put up reports for their more popular members for obvious reasons. The reports would always come for usually newer girls or girls whose business was likely slowly down. And this would be okay to do in my opinion. If they were accurate reports. But they weren't. All the girls did not look like their pictures, and they would always say, "we don't post real pictures to protect their identities". Yeah okay that's great, but they LITERALLY look nothing like the picture that was posted.
And the excessive amount of name changes for some girls. You guys are aware of why they do this right? If a girl has a bad rep or is simply not getting enough business, they keep rebranding the girl. And then they try to package the shit back to us as if we don't know any better. That's not good. If the girls don't look as good or don't provide good service, they should be punished with fewer customers until they do better.
Does Petra need a name change? No. Does Ash need a name change? No. Even Tatum, does she need a name change? No, because they either provide good service, look good, or both.
And then there were rumors that might have been true that this person was sabotaging operations at NLBC and VIP to promote Cris's girls. And that group literally sucks but they keep getting glowing reports here, even though the reports on TER are mediocre for the price.
This is all bad for mongers. It's very bad business.
How do you even get invited to "shill"? If I'm understanding everyone's long ass posts correctly, shilling means writing some report in return for free house fees? Something along those lines? How do you come to that arrangement? Do you just show up and say, "Hi! I'm ArrogantBsttrd from ISG/USG/TER/HX. " LOL
I guess it makes since it's mostly the AAMPs that have house fees. I typically roll with independents and sugar babies. No house fees.
Some bold, loser, ass fucks offer their shill services. Some regulars are offered to shill because of reports a spa manager liked.
It's become more than just a free pass on the house. It's become a side business for this new breed of professional shiller's being paid $500, $1000+ for their shill reports.
Anyone with some intelligence should be able to figure out who's up to these shillanigons, but. . .
Just remember the number one rule: No matter what you've read or heard, if you don't like what you see or not feeling it, walk away.
There are many ways to politely walk away. Most FS places only take cash, so asking if they take credit cards is a polite way out. At spas that do take credit cards, ask if Felicia works there. Nobody named Felicia works at any AMPs and if they think you said Fellatio and say "yes" I'd take a chance.
[QUOTE=ArrogantBstrd;6031372]How do you even get invited to "shill"? If I'm understanding everyone's long ass posts correctly, shilling means writing some report in return for free house fees? Something along those lines? How do you come to that arrangement? Do you just show up and say, "Hi! I'm ArrogantBsttrd from ISG/USG/TER/HX. " LOL
I guess it makes since it's mostly the AAMPs that have house fees. I typically roll with independents and sugar babies. No house fees.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ArrogantBstrd;6031372]How do you even get invited to "shill"? If I'm understanding everyone's long ass posts correctly, shilling means writing some report in return for free house fees? Something along those lines? How do you come to that arrangement? Do you just show up and say, "Hi! I'm ArrogantBsttrd from ISG/USG/TER/HX. " LOL
I guess it makes since it's mostly the AAMPs that have house fees. I typically roll with independents and sugar babies. No house fees.[/QUOTE]Just wanted to point out the title. All I got to say is "Golden Era Souls". Never thought I'd see it used in here! Hahaha.
But forreal. Props on that one!
Carry on!
[QUOTE=ArrogantBstrd;6031372]How do you even get invited to "shill"? If I'm understanding everyone's long ass posts correctly, shilling means writing some report in return for free house fees? Something along those lines? How do you come to that arrangement? Do you just show up and say, "Hi! I'm ArrogantBsttrd from ISG/USG/TER/HX. " LOL
I guess it makes since it's mostly the AAMPs that have house fees. I typically roll with independents and sugar babies. No house fees.[/QUOTE]Where do I sign up? Hahaha.
There are no shills here, just bookers / pimps advertising their product and mongers sharing their experiences with others.
First & foremost: One would assume / hope, that the Admin / moderator's who spend their valuable time policing this forum, are hobbyists to some degree in their own right. I only say this, because hopefully one of them is an AMP hobbyist and can hopefully relate and empathize with what we hobbyist have lost here!? All I'm asking for, is hopefully a little empathy / fairness, for everything that has transpired here in this AMP sub-forum and on the outside, these past few months, driving VIP / VIP2 out of business and out of San Diego.
[QUOTE=PenguinsAndieg;5997428]Can someone explain WTF is going on? Up until about 2 months ago I avoided AMPs until all this NLBC talk had me curious. Pretty sure I left with a small crush on Mina after my second visit there. For the next week or so I couldn't stop fantasizing about her smile. I Was also really looking forward to having some time with Yoona after briefly meeting her in passing.
Are you saying the arrest report someone posted about is true? Even worse, are you saying someone on this forum helped orchestrate the sting and shut them down for good?
I may be oblivious (or just plain dumbass) because I haven't been able to figure out all these shill accounts that get paid. Like RCDK mentioned earlier, there's a well established core of reliable posters that I usually scan for. If I don't see their name I tend to skip over.
Stay safe gents and happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Please read JuvyNiled (post #433), he pretty much nailed it in his spot on assessment.
And FWIW, you and me both (regarding VIP / Mina), brother! This is exactly what we're saying happened and went down! The AAMP's and this 1 shill with all of his untold countless multiple USA shill accounts (I'd be willing to guesstiimate around 20+ currently, and counting), working in concert here, to accomplish their objective. And what they did here, and what they did on the outside (terrorizing these girls), is f-ing disgusting and needs to be dealt with. Or this is what they will continue to do anytime there is any new competition here taking away business revenue away from them. The fact that there are so many member's here, who actually feed into this 1 pathetic asshole / coward, and what he's doing / done, is quite astounding!
The bottom line: Nobody, & I repeat, NOBODY, here in San Diego, (AMP or AAMP), could compete with the level of service that VIP / VIP 2 was providing to us hobbyist, and the lost revenue was hitting them in their pocket books big time, so they resorted to both sabotage and vandalism and attacked them in every way possible until they finally succeeded in driving them out of town.
The disgusting low level (criminal terror) this thug stooped to, driving VIP out of town. And cost us hobbyist (some of us) some of the most amazing times we've ever experienced (and that includes independents and travelling abroad for me anyway).
So what did this lowlife COWARD POS do? He went out not once, but twice (in the early morning am All masked up dressed in black) around 2-3 am And armed with a pipe, and smashed in the big front window and front door, terrorizing the 3 girls as they were sleeping in their front quarters, less than 10 feet away. This happened on 2 different nights and cost the VIP owner's over $2 k to repair the damages. I've watched both videos many times. And when you think about Mina, and Lisa, and Cici. And all the other girls, who had to work / live in fear, for what, giving us the most amazing service (threesomes) many of us have ever experienced!? And that's not mentioning all of the calls / letters to the LEO / Social Services / Fed's forcing them to do their welfare checks to investigate the human sexual trafficking / underage girls constantly being anonymously reported.
I can tell you this: These girls at VIP read everything here, & they really appreciated the support / wonderful reviews, but despised this 1 A-hole (Dude / Ryan / Jizalot and Jaguar-all 1 in the same) just to name a few of his countless USA accounts. Go back to December of 21 and read these guys posts and connect the dots. It's crystal clear his M. O. And what his objective was. Thinking he's being overly clever; but he's clearly not. He started with 108 when they were getting popular and monopolizing all the business / reviews here, saying they were unsafe and all the traffic would get them busted (did everything towards 108 until VIP took this hobby to the next level providing most insane service we've ever seen in San Diego County. Which took 108 off his cross hairs.
[QUOTE=MrMuffMan;5997624]OK, I suppose it's time for me to clear some of this up. Pennguin, NLBC has been sold once again and that is why it is closed. The police did pay a visit on Tues. 6/21, but they did not "shut it down". As a matter of fact they continued operating until Sat 6/25, when an offer was accepted for the sale. I believe they will be reopening soon but with all new talent. The girls we all know and love who used to work there (Kiki, Yuna, Mina, Lisa, Daisy, Amber etc.), will sadly no longer be available to us mongers here in SD (although The MuffMan will still be able to see some of them, Lucky me) Sorry guys, you can thank some of your fellow SD mongers for "running them out of town". If anything ever changes in the future, I will let you know.
PoonTang is correct. There has been an organized "coup", (I know that's the incorrect use of the term, but sounds about right for this for some reason), to destroy them and run them out of town. A certain monger on this board (who does have many handles) has been conspiring with, let's just say their competition, to try to ruin them. There have been criminal acts committed, as well as false accusations leveled against them with the authorities. This "monger" has been very sloppy however. I've seen the surveillance footage that PoonTang has eluded to as well. We not only have a face, we now have a positive identification and a name. I'm sure he's reading this, and will probably send me another PM from one of his other handles "fishing" for info, like he did last time I brought some of this up. I'm not going to use the "retribution" rhetoric, like PoonTang did. I would prefer to say we're looking at all legal and ethical avenues, as like I mentioned, criminal acts were committed, and work with the authorities to bring this person to justice.
Mr MuffMan.[/QUOTE]Many of us here, lost one of the most amazing, mind blowing fantasy hot Disneyland we've ever experienced. And I lived in S / E Asia for 2+ years.
Whatever I may, or may not do, will be on the up and up. I want to make that perfectly clear! I wouldn't dare ever behave in the low life despicable criminal manner, this pathetic coward did. And that's exactly what this person I've seen on camera is: A fat truck tire for a waistline, ugly gray haired POS COWARD. Who's not a Doctor in real life, but he plays one here on the internet. And all that fine dining this person has to do with with the ladies to get laid. It's no wonder, he's got to pay for sex and shill for Cris. And SDAG. None of these girls would ever agree to see him, othewise!
[QUOTE=RChangDatyKing;5998716]Mr. Muffman and PTJohnny- thank you both for posting current and accurate information regarding VIP / NLBC. I too was a fan of Mina and all the VIP / NLBC girls and hate to see them go. Yes, please keep us all updated if Mina returns.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dwykz619;5998720]With all the BS happening with NLBC / VIP, I found it disturbing that "fellow" (and I use that term loosly) mongers have caused them to leave town. I have my suspicions as well, but it was fairly obvious from recommendations and they way you would stroke your own ego with multiple handles and such. But I digress.
I may not report too often, but I'm fairly new to the board, and have used this resource and offered my own experience and insight to help others if asked. That ended when my info was offered and caused the end of a great long term relationship I had with an escort that was built from 2008. Unless it's a mutual acquaintence, my info is for my eyes only. You're going to have to earn it or TOFTT.
But Like I said. It may not matter to some of you guys. Just know the ones I have contacted, know you are appreciated and I salute you guys who make it safe for all of us.
For those guys who caused this, "Karma's a *****". And she will piss and shit all your house and grave. Unless you're into that sort of thing.[/QUOTE]FWIW: If I seen passionate and angry over what went down and what these innocent girls were put through; it's because I am! I've received many PM's from a few of the really awesome "nice reputable trusted guys" here, and I've exchanged a lot of Intel with these member's, helping them and providing them with contact information / intel with these girls / VIP / VIP2 to try and help them along. I don't need anybody's approval / validation here, these girls know who I am & when they came into town and arrived on the scene, I was a loyal customer and they became my only go to action in town.
And I was greatly rewarded of my loyalty, with perks! I'm sure not too many other guys got to enjoy; the unicorn type services. As well as the on about half a dozen different occasions, when VIP2 was under supposedly under renovation (NEWS ALERT: THEY WERE'NT).
I was given Carte Blanche VIP2 privileges and would have the entire place to myself along with 2 girls who would make the drive over from VIP in SV around 11 p,m. And 2 other times when Cici over there alone and met me. Complete with candles, champagne and music.
So fuck yeah, if I'm feeling "pretty mother fucking far from ok" at the moment- It's because I am! We will never, ever, get this level of VIP Disneyland service back.
And anyone who really got to know some of these girls- they were true genuine sweethearts, and very kind heart-ed people.
What I will say is this, (I'm only pontificating hypothetical's here): It would be very easy (much easier than the ugly criminal tactics used against an AMP / VIP), to disrupt an illegal business operation (prostitution) in a residential community (condominium / town-homes), taking place right next door to families / children, governed by HOA's / Office management,. It really wouldn't take much for neighbors to start taking notice, with all the foot traffic coming and going along with the ads and reviews documenting everything. Especially if someone was on the inside and privy to highly protected information. I know for a fact, that Cris, and that agency that uses 4 letter's, operate, is such places.
FWIW: I'm now, a level 3 HX member.
Cheers LOL.
[QUOTE=JuvyNiled;6022942]That's great and all, but this former member was divisive as hell. Anytime anyone made an honest negative remark about the girls he represented, he would lash out at them. And not only that, they used to post negative reviews here and on TER until they got called out for it. And then he would create mediocre but slightly positive reviews for girls from non-SDAG or Cris's Crap group to make it seem like he was impartial. He would always make glowing review for girls that were CLEARLY not good and likely not getting enough bookings. If you can't understand that person's intentions now, then you're very naive.
This behavior is unacceptable. And the number of alternate accounts posting reviews and shilling the original ad is overwhelming. I am confident there are still several accounts that are tied to them simply based on the content. No one else is posting any kind of crap in favor of any the masseuses at Cris's group, because they are overpriced and not good to look at.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RolfTorren;6022968]Agreed. That Dude and his many clones effectively poisoned honest discussion here with self-serving disinformation. I'm now "moderated" because I dared to question the integrity of one such clone. So be it. Sure, we can all "just get along" so long as we all play fair. I think it was allowed tonfester for far too long. And its not over yet by a long shot.[/QUOTE]You both are spot on! He has at least 2 more accounts. When both handles' FIRST reviews are for the same AAMP that has averaged looking girls, over priced for lack of service and shorting mongers on time, etc. When there are hundreds of AMPs and 2 great Korean AAMPs in town, it's very obvious and highly suspicious.
[QUOTE=SirBishop;6024451]I was told to stop "arguing" with those clones or I would be moderated. And that was the first month one of the clones appeared on the board. First question that hit me when I saw the notice of the removal, "how do you know which clone he is"? What I do know about websites is this. Every time you visit a site, your IP address, Device Name, User name, etc are captured in a log. What the public can't see in a post is the IP Address of the poster. Doesn't take much to gather data on the IP Address and associate it with a User then check the email address of that user. That's all part of the backend of this system. Easy to track people.
Now that I wake up every morning to bacon and can't but wonder of these admins are going to start researching and see if these new clones go back to a dude. Geolocation will certainly help them. No, this is not over by a long shot.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RolfTorren;6022968]Agreed. That Dude and his many clones effectively poisoned honest discussion here with self-serving disinformation. I'm now "moderated" because I dared to question the integrity of one such clone. So be it. Sure, we can all "just get along" so long as we all play fair. I think it was allowed tonfester for far too long. And its not over yet by a long shot.[/QUOTE]I too am being moderated now and was told to stop arguing with the dbags. Yes, the Dude and his clones poisoned honest discussions and yes it's not over because there is one more member with upwards of 10 handles that is worse IMO. He's easy to spot if you look back at the dialogues between him (and his 10 plus clones with Dude and his handles). I don't respond to these yahoos anymore. I will post my experiences, knowledge, respond to trusted mongers to confirm my experiences.