Safe Mongering in Honolulu

[QUOTE=Max808;1890672]This is a thoughtful respectful discussion RJ. We all hope we don't catch anything. I know that when I started mongering here about 11 yrs. Ago, I would not even consider doing BB, DATY or even kissing any of these girls. Once I found this forum and started reading all the great adventures, I was influenced to participate in the action. After all, I figured if all these mongers are doing it and I don't hear anything about a STD epidemic, that it must be relatively safe. That was obviously flawed reasoning as I picked up a case of genital warts a few years ago. I get tested three or four times a year for STD's now. It is very tempting to go BB with some of these girls and sometimes I still fall off the wagon, but in general try to avoid it. That is why I have a love / hate relationship with this forum. It tempts me to no end when I read a tantalizing report of some wild PSE and have experienced a few myself, but I have to constantly remind myself to take these reports with a grain of salt and try to resist the temptation. This is not easy by any stretch of the imagination. I do appreciate the frank discussion here about the odds of picking up STD's without a lot of finger pointing, flaming or drama. I am surprised that more mongers don't report picking up diseases, but then again it is not something we want to advertise.[/QUOTE]Some mongers probably don't want to admit they have them.

But also, many BB mongers carry diseases. They just don't know it until they actually get tested. Every one of those STDs can be asymptomatic. You would never know you were exposed until you actually get tested or it's too late. Up to 75 percent of HSV cases are asymptomatic, which is probably why it is so prevalent. HPV which causes genital warts and oral cancer particularly in men I think is even more prevalent. Most of these STDS arent fatal of course. But if you plan on ever having a real relationship with someone, getting married, family, etc, these things could be a dealbreaker. Of course, if you've actually given up on life and don't care about meeting the "one", it doesn't really matter I guess. LOL.

[QUOTE=RickJames808; 1890811]AMP,

I believe you when you say your friend told you this. Its where the source material originated which I ponder. I have heard variation of this since the late 80's and early 90's. Definitely had an influence on my earliest mongering activities.

RJ.[/QUOTE]RJ, no worries. Thanks for your consideration.

[QUOTE=USukebe2; 1890574]Just throwing this out to see what kind of response it gets.

For those of you who frequent places that have more mature providers ie; Kison, CHM: what if the providers suddenly decided CFS would be the norm, would you still see them even though everything used to be BB? Would it be a deal breaker for some of you or would you still continue to see your ATF, go to girl or favorite knowing they provide good service?

For me it wouldn't. Simply because even though other places may have younger women, more than likely everything will be covered and their service and / or attitude can be lacking (flaky). Since I'm paying for service, I'd rather be with someone who I know provides good / top service over some younger eye-candy who's average. But of course there are exceptions. Not knocking anyone but to each his own. Sorta like selecting a restaurant.

Let's hear your thoughts gentlemen.[/QUOTE]Personally I like to see providers that offers great service, may it be GFE, PSE or just good old fashion sex. I have come to find over the decades of me in this hobby that younger providers lack the experience of offering great service as to older providers that knows how to please their customer.

As for unprotected sex, it's not a deal breaker if condoms is mandatory.

I myself get myself checked every 2 months because of the volume of women I see. State of mind I guess.

If I so see a provider that offers BB I check their cleanliness. Most girls check their customers too.

Girls tends to go BB because of the volume of guys that they see per day. Popular providers can see 10-14+ customers a day and they opt for no condom because they can't handle that many guys if they used condoms. Skin to rubber factor.

True story, a provider asked my to buy douche for her at Walmart, I asked how much and she said 2 cases. I asked if its for everyone in the places she said no it's just for me. I also had to get 1 case of iodine solution.

Hate to keep discussing STDs but I do want to point out that the popular AMP providers can see as many as 10-20 mongerers in a day. So even though we can look at statistics for the general population, things are skewed because the BB providers have so much unprotected anonymous sex. We're talking BBFS sex hundreds of times a month so the risk factor with a BBFS provider is much more increased as time goes on for a provider. The saying goes, when you have unprotected sex with a woman, you're sharing with everyone else that's been there.

Does any of you brothers know which provider (s) allow BBFS.

Other than Lee and Nicole?

Greatly appreciated!

When a provider, whether BB or safe, goes on "bacay" for a really long time, like 6 months or longer, that could be for a host of different reasons. Travel the world, go see the family, committed to a loverboy temporarily, etc.

But when a BBBJ / BBFS provider goes on "bacay" for 2 weeks to 2 months, my nose twitches and I smell something suspicious. That's the usual time period for certain bodily "issues" to clear up.

[QUOTE=LocoGrindz; 1891576]Does any of you brothers know which provider (s) allow BBFS.

Other than Lee and Nicole?

Greatly appreciated![/QUOTE]Most girls at Kison do BBFS.

[QUOTE=ClintonPortis; 1891929]When a provider, whether BB or safe, goes on "bacay" for a really long time, like 6 months or longer, that could be for a host of different reasons. Travel the world, go see the family, committed to a loverboy temporarily, etc.

But when a BBBJ / BBFS provider goes on "bacay" for 2 weeks to 2 months, my nose twitches and I smell something suspicious. That's the usual time period for certain bodily "issues" to clear up.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more. I might be over paranoid, but I always thought the same thing.

Aloha bruddahsss,

My first post, but been lurking for awhile.

Planing to POP my "AMP cherry" with NARA at PONGI.

It really makes me nervous, not about FS with provider but LE bust.

I know they did random, but based on your personal experience any advice when (any certain month, day, or time) usually these FIVE O came to AMP?

Big Mahalo for your time.

[QUOTE=Ass Man808;1892107]Most girls at Kison do BBFS.[/QUOTE]Most of the girls at Crystal Healing Massage will do you BB. There are others around that will do BB after a couple times but you have to work that out yourself. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Yes808; 1895130]Aloha bruddahsss,

My first post, but been lurking for awhile.

Planing to POP my "AMP cherry" with NARA at PONGI.

It really makes me nervous, not about FS with provider but LE bust.

I know they did random, but based on your personal experience any advice when (any certain month, day, or time) usually these FIVE O came to AMP?

Big Mahalo for your time.[/QUOTE]I've been in an AMP when LE came in, first. As I experienced it. Prior to them coming in, they were already seen on camera. So mama was yelling to the girls that the cops were coming. When the cops came in, I was already dressed and walking down the hall. It seemed that the LE wasn't there for me. An officer asked me for my I'd, and also asked what I was doing there, I told them I was here for massage. They told me to wait and have a seat. They had me hangout for a few minutes, then told me I was free to go. That was a few years ago, at Lavender. I'm sure the proceedure and protocall changed a bit by now. But I can't honestly say it changed to much. good luck, and trust your spidey sense. Play safe. Pau

[QUOTE=Pau Hana Party;1895727]I've been in an AMP when LE came in, first. As I experienced it. Prior to them coming in, they were already seen on camera. So mama was yelling to the girls that the cops were coming. When the cops came in, I was already dressed and walking down the hall. It seemed that the LE wasn't there for me. An officer asked me for my I'd, and also asked what I was doing there, I told them I was here for massage. They told me to wait and have a seat. They had me hangout for a few minutes, then told me I was free to go. That was a few years ago, at Lavender. I'm sure the proceedure and protocall changed a bit by now. But I can't honestly say it changed to much. good luck, and trust your spidey sense. Play safe. Pau[/QUOTE]Mahalo for the info,

What time was it, day or night?

[QUOTE=ClintonPortis;1891929]When a provider, whether BB or safe, goes on "bacay" for a really long time, like 6 months or longer, that could be for a host of different reasons. Travel the world, go see the family, committed to a loverboy temporarily, etc.

But when a BBBJ / BBFS provider goes on "bacay" for 2 weeks to 2 months, my nose twitches and I smell something suspicious. That's the usual time period for certain bodily "issues" to clear up.[/QUOTE]Don't mention it. A girl I took out recently has genital herpes, an incurable virus. Now if she's only been with three guys her whole life, versus AMP girls who are with easily three a day, what are the chances of that coming at you? Online it says 20 percent of the population has genital herpes. So the AMP girl is hitting up perhaps someone with genital herpes once every other day, and perhaps more than once a day. Plus condoms can't stop it as any part of the genitals that rub it can be infected.

[QUOTE=Bikini;1888645]A lot of us prefer to be safe. Just make a note of the girls that provide unsafe service and avoid them. Also, you have to understand that a lot of the posts on this forum are just locker room talk. I avoid Kison for that reason and now I may have to cross MF off my list.[/QUOTE]Its pretty accurate what is written here and what goes on inside for the most part. That being said, I turn down BBFS when offered.

[QUOTE=Yes808;1895130]Aloha bruddahsss,

My first post, but been lurking for awhile.

Planing to POP my "AMP cherry" with NARA at PONGI.

It really makes me nervous, not about FS with provider but LE bust.

I know they did random, but based on your personal experience any advice when (any certain month, day, or time) usually these FIVE O came to AMP?

Big Mahalo for your time.[/QUOTE]I was in an AMP when LE came in at night. I was showering with the girl. No announcement from Mama at that time, just police stating that they were police. The girl I was showering with darted out of the shower like she was on fire. When the cop came to the shower, I had soap all over my body. He said for me to get out. I said I want to finish to shower because I had soap on my body. He was pretty strict, and said get out now. So, finished to rinse anyway. Not like I had a concealed weapon and I was not doing anything wrong, so I pushed the limit a little bit with the officer. He asked which room I was and and followed me. Told me to get dressed and watched the whole time. Then he told me to sit on the couch. At that point the other mongers were there on the couch already (no one I knew). Another officer asked for ID. He asked what I was doing there. I said visiting my gf. He asked for her name. I was a regular with the Vietnamese girl I was with, so I knew her name. I told the officer and he gave a strange look, like I made up the name. So, they pull my record. No warrants and no record, so he told me to leave. I said my keys and my stuff are back in my room. He said just leave it and go. So I waited outside the front while they were exiting and went right back in as they watched.

At first, I was scared out of my mind, but when I was rinsing, I thought, "I am not doing anything wrong here, just visiting and showering." The police were assholes, but I understand that they don't know what kind of situation they are getting into or who will be inside the establishment.