Grand Rapids Pugilistic Society

[QUOTE=TRobber22;3578473]Not loaded here. But lots of arguing over $20.

For me, Brittany is cool as hell. 80+20 gets 7/10 massage, plus guaranteed fun on flip- Russian body slide finish, nice shower, water bottle, fresh sheets and towels.

Also- the HHR from start to finish is usually closer to 45. Which based on some of the time shorting posts is what other HRs turn out to be.

Not white knighting. If she was trying for 150 for mechanical rushed HE like many I could see the beef. But this seems to be truth in advertising. If you want more than is offered from her, pick someone who advertises that. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]She's well worth the bang for the buck. I prefer BBBJ. Sometimes money's short and the little head is screaming his ass off giving the big head a migraine. She's a damn fine alternative, real close to nuru.

[QUOTE=Monger01;3578662]But if she brings me the chicken I ordered and flashes her tits I'll tip a bit better. Not double, but better. But I won't pre-tip, ever.
Far as escorts I still stand by minimum service I expect no matter her looks. Market dictates the hotter girls ask for and get more in rates. For those of us that prefer hotter, this is expected. That said, there's still limits.
No offense to new crystal but do you or anyone else think bbw like her can command a 200 hr rate?
I don't think Brianna Star is worth her big city rates either.
There has to be reasonable balance. I'll pay a little more to see Destiny but not unlimited more.
My baseline is 100 hhr. For decent service and cim with avg. Cute not overweight.
Homely or overweight its 80. Spinner hot 120.
If I want an hour and I'm willing to spend 200 you can bet I am going to book Destiny over Crystal every time. That is how the market works.
I've never paid more than 150 for an hour in GR but I seldom do an hour anyway.

I do agree generally that many massage girls expect too big a tip for he.
Most are barely attractive and give so-so massages and mechanicsl he.
I'll try a new one now and then but mainy stick to tried and true for a massage. Several I see do BBBJ, some FS. All topless and fiv and a couple totally naked even just for a tug ending. I tip 40 for those. 60 for BBBJ and 80 for FS.[/QUOTE] My sentiments exactly, I ordered the Chicken, Give me what I ordered damit!.
No I don't think the New Crystal is worth 200 hr, that's what she posted and expected to get negotiations to go with it. She did offer msog and figured if she was head banging for the whole hour it would be nice to get 200 for it.

[QUOTE=TRobber22;3578473]Not loaded here. But lots of arguing over $20.

For me, Brittany is cool as hell. 80+20 gets 7/10 massage, plus guaranteed fun on flip- Russian body slide finish, nice shower, water bottle, fresh sheets and towels.

Also- the HHR from start to finish is usually closer to 45. Which based on some of the time shorting posts is what other HRs turn out to be.

Not white knighting. If she was trying for 150 for mechanical rushed HE like many I could see the beef. But this seems to be truth in advertising. If you want more than is offered from her, pick someone who advertises that. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]If she was vying for 150 for even the great experience you described, that'd be GPS. 80 for hhr walking in basically says "You're getting a real massage that goes the hhr, a hot girl naked, and a nice HE finish. I do this right, so let's cut to the chase -- it's 40/40 worthy. " That said, I can understand throwing $20 down more with a body slide on top of it being more than just merely a nice HE, and it being closer to 45 m, yeah. But $150? That'd be going GPS -- no hurry-up-offense required to be GPS at that rate. For 150, there'd need to be a great BJ and then some, for the very end on top of all that performance, to avoid being GPS.

[QUOTE]Those rates and tips are very close to what the CMT receives from a majority of their clients however that majority is primarily female clients[/QUOTE]The 40/20 or the 40/10? I'm assuming the former, as I figured a good solid true legit CMT-level massage (but no HE) would be worthy of 40/20. I think you appreciate / aim-for the massage itself more than the average Joe, where the average Joe would be like "Huh? $20 for JUST a massage in this hhr? I came here for the HE, babe! I'd rather have it really just last 15 m with a HE than around 30 m but a better solid massage. I didn't come here for the massage, that's why. That's just a perk, a foreplay warmup to my HE. " I think the average Joe isn't picky about the massage, and just doesn't want a standard sh! Tty one (which we don't want the market to start accepting as acceptable). And is more focused on the roaming and HE.

[QUOTE]If I go into a restaurant, order chicken and the Hot waitress brings me fish but tells me the fish is better and more expensive then flashes her tits to be more convincing. I will calmly ask if it comes with a BBBJCIM. If not, I'll send the fish back, ask for my chicken and another waitress.[/QUOTE]Yeah, pretty much the same here -- but if her point was legit that the fish was better. I wouldn't demand a BBJCIM, but a nice HJ after showing her t!ts would be a-okay for me.

"Because 2 posts below the line I quoted clearly states she's a usasg advertiser but I'm too frigin lazy to navigate to that. Could anyone drive me to her incall and spot me her fee too?

The amount of heavy lifting and spoonfeeding requested is amazing lately!

[QUOTE=Monger01;3578880]"Because 2 posts below the line I quoted clearly states she's a usasg advertiser but I'm too frigin lazy to navigate to that. Could anyone drive me to her incall and spot me her fee too?

The amount of heavy lifting and spoonfeeding requested is amazing lately![/QUOTE]And all these leaves in my yard ain't going to rake themselves boys! Chop Chop!

[QUOTE=Benz1;3578371]I started my rant after Bth9318 asked me to chime in on post 115, seeing that we weren't fighting, why not put it in General reports, some of it spilled over to General Reports by my request.

I swore off the topic for 30 days but Charlie brings up a good question.

But what is the comparative "20%" on a hhr and an hr? The baseline market price for nobody high or low in hotness or how they execute, is. ? IMO, it's 40/20 and 60/40 -- which includes a standard ops rub & tug. Refusal of rub & tug? If a great true CMT massage, the same, but otherwise. Not a bad massage, but no HE, even if adequately taking up expected time? 40/10, 60/20. Am I too far off on this? Again, not what *I* am willing to pay or not pay -- but what is the baseline price for the baseline situation.

Those rates and tips are very close to what the CMT receives from a majority of their clients however that majority is primarily female clients. My utr CMT owns her own salon and we talk about the business often. A majority of male clients are going to the rub and tug looking for a good combination with real massage plus tug. After reading the response on this fourm, I notice nobody put any emphasis on massage skills except me.

The massage is the most important part to me, I have left in the middle of a massage at Serenity telling her, if that's all you can do I'm not interested in the rest. Paid the 40 and cut my loses. I need a massuse that listens and takes direction, I agreed with NoseJelly during a blow up with T-70 (he's a hot head) about GPS a long time ago, Grand Rapids MP Scene is Dead.
During those rants NJ was in lock step with my thinking so I gave him my utr CMT digits so he could get a taste of the good life, he has thanked me more than once. She's Not Hot but there is no better CMT for me. I still see her occasionally but she is very busy doing women in her own salon. So I still need a second go to.

I recieved a message from Amber at Royal indicating there is hope and she will listen and learn from her clients if they give her a chance. I told her I'm very picky, She was a very smart and convincing lady. I set up a 1 hr appointment because a real massage can not be done in a hhr. The first hhr would be me massaging her to show her what I wanted and she would massage me for the rest of the hour. It ended up being over one and a half hours. Amber became my second go to if my utr CMT wasn't available. Amber was happy with a matching door fee but that didn't work for me. 60/60 for HJ. She was nice and creative but I still felt like I needed the BJ, I would set up an appointment for a 40 BnG on my way home.

I'm a little different, maybe because of a knee replacement and my gate has been off for a long time.

I have become a conisoure of massage, I have one table I keep at home for giving my wife massages and another travel table I take to my favorite escort appointments, we trade massages and have great endings anyway I want them. My first meeting with the late great Mercedes was a shortstay that lasted 2 hours because she loved my massage, she always answered my calls whenever I wanted to see her.

If I go into a restaurant, order chicken and the Hot waitress brings me fish but tells me the fish is better and more expensive then flashes her tits to be more convincing. I will calmly ask if it comes with a BBBJCIM. If not, I'll send the fish back, ask for my chicken and another waitress.

Maybe so many years in the hobby have desensitized me to the hobby triggers that get mongers to lay down their wallets.

Happy Hunting Everyone.[/QUOTE]I fully enjoy your editorial and also agree. Invest time and reasonable $ in a provider and she will treat you well. Don't put up with poor service, or call it out here when you find it. I also have a UTR Brown Sugar that has been in the GR scene for a while. She will give up anything I want & even tells me her schedule for out of town, & otherwise, for easier connection. Agreed, it's hard to be content with a 2nd choice.

What happened to Mercedes? I noticed that she hasn't posted in a while. Sorry, but I didn't find any previous postings about it.

Last I heard she got popped and this time they made it a long stint.

[QUOTE=Edge1201;3579110]What happened to Mercedes? I noticed that she hasn't posted in a while. Sorry, but I didn't find any previous postings about it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Edge1201;3579110]I fully enjoy your editorial and also agree. Invest time and reasonable $ in a provider and she will treat you well. Don't put up with poor service, or call it out here when you find it. I also have a UTR Brown Sugar that has been in the GR scene for a while. She will give up anything I want & even tells me her schedule for out of town, & otherwise, for easier connection. Agreed, it's hard to be content with a 2nd choice.

What happened to Mercedes? I noticed that she hasn't posted in a while. Sorry, but I didn't find any previous postings about it.[/QUOTE]Passed away, no need for further discussion. There was plenty of discussion at the time of her death.
We are currently showing our respect with silence on the topic

Have a little fun when bored.

Search forum function works over here in my neighborhood. Wonder why it doesn't work for other Mongers. Dang Technology!

[QUOTE=MikeYepthatsm;3579496]Have a little fun when bored.[/QUOTE]Pure gold bro. She if she'll put some insulation in my attic.

[QUOTE=MikeYepthatsm;3579496]Have a little fun when bored.[/QUOTE]I have to say that is a completely different type of "arrangement", even for you!

Just wondering if anyone uses or has recommendations for apps for a second phone number on a phone? I was using Sideline until they just went subscription. Just curious what guys are using.

[QUOTE=Benz1;3561213]I totally agree with Girls1.

Piemaster has an interesting theory but I don't believe LE has the time and resources to follow and trap us for soliciting sex. LE does put alot of resources into finding drug dealers and trapping them. They could also get a good well known provider to set up drug dealers like Natalie / Bell in Kazoo. Bell was a member of this forum that posted LE's offer right on the Kalamazoo forum. They wanted her to help bust drug dealers. She informed us that she would not take their deal of eliminating charges in exchange for setting people up.
Drugs and underage girls is were LE is focused, our members are at risk everytime we enter a room where drugs or under age girls are being or sold.

If we are going to stay out of the dragnet or snare of LE, we all need to be more observant of our surroundings and report them on USASEXGUIDE for all our members benifit.

Our safety is the reason this forum exsits.[/QUOTE]Not a theory:

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Burn of the year: "I'm not paranoid, you're just stupid. ".

Ranks right up there with the Great Pee Wee Herman's "I know you are, but what am I?"