"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

I sincerely apologize to the board for my pivotal role in the catastrophic downfall of Atlanta's economic sugar infrastructure.

And just to be clear: I'm the sole financier behind every one of those $1,000 platonic PPMs. Every. Single. One.

A true labor of love. And debt.

[QUOTE=SetoMan;7342434]Fellas, This right here IS THE PROBLEM.

This is why GPS HAPPENS!

You have a girl who is new and like most girls who are their prices are low.

What do most guys do, they EGO and try to "save / impress her" and give her more than what she's fine with.

What ends up happening is: She wants 250, you give her 100 more. Now she's thinking wait a minute for my next arrangement I can actually get 350.

So the next guy is now paying Troy's Tax that he imposed. That next guy then goes you did such a good job, here's 100 more.

Now she's thinking, wow I can get 450. Now the guys after that are paying the next guy's TAX.

Before you know it, in 3-6 months she is now asking for 600,800, 1000!

What you guys don't understand is, WE ARE THE STOCK MARKET.

We determine THE PRICES. We determine weather it goes up or down.

Guys come in here and whine yet THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE for this.

And this example is exactly how it happens.

I used to burst in fresh 18 year old white goddess perfect body for 150-200 back in 2019/2020 on the regular.

I mean from first message to deep in the guts in 1 hour.

Now you people have made it impossible.

If every single man decided NO MORE max offer 100. These girl would be forced to take that.

Remember these girls don't know the value of money. When they start out to them 100 is big.

It is US GUYS who give these girls GPS. We are the problem.

Also I moved to ATL last year and its way worse than other states.

But I found a young hot & slim 8. 5 with a perfect ass. Ass is too perfect, chef kiss.

We agreed on 300 for 3-4 hours. My schedule was busy so I couldn't partake in the game for acouple months.

Now I work from home and my schedule cleared. I hit her up again and now she laughed at 300.

I screenshot her showing she agreed months ago and then she said she only starts at 600.

So in 3 months after joining the site, you Guys priced her up to 600.

I bet you if I check back in 3 more months she will be asking for 1000.

Un-fucking believable.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SetoMan;7342594]Personally I think this is the wrong approach. While I have done similar, I have even gotten into multi year relationship from the site and fuck buddies like you have. So I know it well. At the end of the day, what we want to do for the most part is fuck and fuck for a long period of time until we pass out.
[/QUOTE]This arguement falls apart pretty quick because every guys goal isn't to "fuck until they pass out. ".

If this is your goal and your strategy works for you, more power to you!

Fucking for 3 hours every meet isn't fun for me. A chick getting me off in 15 to 60 minutes is more than enough, as far as fucking in and of itself is concerned. Honestly, if she can't get me off in that time and satisfy me in the process, she probably isn't what I need. I don't need her to tap dance for 3 hours just because I can make her do it.

Kinda reminds me of guys that pay chicks to dance in the stripclub while they play pool. Doing it for the ego or control aspect provides satisfaction for some.

For me, if the experience is unrushed, there is some level of girlfriend experience, she gets a good nut out of me and the cost is reasonable, I could care less about the time.

[QUOTE=SetoMan;7342594]Personally I think this is the wrong approach. While I have done similar, I have even gotten into multi year relationship from the site and fuck buddies like you have. So I know it well. At the end of the day, what we want to do for the most part is fuck and fuck for a long period of time until we pass out.

Why should I have to wine and dine them and then pay them, with only a 5% chance that I get it for free.

While yeah there will be girls who get on the site and have daddy issues or are into older men fetish and will fuck you for the low or free. It is temporary and never last.

I have never meet up with a girl above 25 on that site. My approach which might not be for every one but it works and allows me to fuck till my legs give out.

Like sure you can get 200-250 after wining and dining but there's a coin flip that she gets up and wants to leave right after the first round (10-15 minutes). Then a roll of a dice you get below 200 or for free. Those odds are not great and are a waste of time and money when you don't luck out. I take a rather radical approach. I establish 300 early within the first 5 messages and also establish that they have to stay At least 3 hours. This removes the time wasting, guessing, coin flips, dice rolls, wine and dine and all the none-sense.

I put on music / Netflix and fuck her brains out for 3 hours straight.

-Training.

Unfortunately, it never works out as planned because these girls are stubborn and only care about raking you out of your money. Especially when you are the one bringing up ppm.[/QUOTE]You've got better odds of getting attacked by a shark in Nebraska than finding several hot 20 somethings that will play along with the Shades of Gray scenario you describe (quite well I might add). And refusing to let someone leave (with or without money) is a great way to catch a charge. If you treat them nice, they'll come back for more and they will do pretty much anything if you gently guide them to the destination you want, but it needs to be exciting for them, not like they're being forced. Are there girls that will do what you described? Yes .1 out of 2000 maybe. Are there girls that would play along with that charade after several visits? Absolutely, any random one. Minus the STG or Listcrawler pro you will find occasionally.

[QUOTE=ChristianTroy;7342898]I sincerely apologize to the board for my pivotal role in the catastrophic downfall of Atlanta's economic sugar infrastructure.

And just to be clear: I'm the sole financier behind every one of those $1,000 platonic PPMs. Every. Single. One.

A true labor of love. And debt.[/QUOTE]No apologies necessary, I'm happily meeting sugar women at $250-$300, which works perfectly for me.

[QUOTE=Airmantroy;7343505]You've got better odds of getting attacked by a shark in Nebraska than finding several hot 20 somethings that will play along with the Shades of Gray scenario you describe (quite well I might add). And refusing to let someone leave (with or without money) is a great way to catch a charge. If you treat them nice, they'll come back for more and they will do pretty much anything if you gently guide them to the destination you want, but it needs to be exciting for them, not like they're being forced. Are there girls that will do what you described? Yes .1 out of 2000 maybe. Are there girls that would play along with that charade after several visits? Absolutely, any random one. Minus the STG or Listcrawler pro you will find occasionally.[/QUOTE]Where in my post do you see "refusing to let someone leave". Think about it, you read that and concluded that telling a girl you either do what we agreed on and what I want or you can leave = Kidnapping, you are not allowing her to leave because you are not giving her free cash for just existing.

I swear feminism has won.

The fact people essentially plead and ploud with someone they are paying hundreds of their hard earned money to and resting on the hope that they will do what you ask is mind boggling.

Why should you cater to someone that you are paying, that makes zero sense.

For example this happened to me, I had a girl, Latina, perfect. A 10 on face and 9 on body. 19. We already agreed previously on X amount of hours.

Most guys would chuck this up as her being a pro. But no she was not a Pro or Escort. You can tell she wasn't cut out for this or like it even in the slightest as she had the disgust look on her face.

The entire time, even though I can tell she enjoyed the sex by how hard she was creaming.

This is the result of guys conditioning girl to be able to leave after the first round and still get the money. You can leave but no money period. No exceptions. The fact you are implying threat or force is feminism.

So instead of admitting the monster situation we created we chuck it up as "she's just a pro". No she's the result of our actions, we trained her to do that.

Maybe you will never understand until you experience it from the POV of a hot 18 year old girl first hand. If you ever have the opportunity to date a girl from the site or you let a girl stay at your place for days (which has happened to me multiple times). You will see guys meet up with girls, stay 20 minutes tops, burst and leave. Or she goes to the guys house, and he can't get hard because all he does is watch porn. Then he holds his dick for 30-45 minutes crying about his sad life and the girl is texting me the entire time telling me she wants to leave and does. In between that is the very very small sample of guys who actually spend 1-2 hours with the girls.

This behavior is rampant.

But when a guy comes and says he won't give them anything if they leave before the agreed time, its "kidnapping". No wonder girls are asking for 1 k. I had a girl ask for 3 k the other day. Its unbelievable. Guys will throw money at girls for doing literally nothing. So from their POV why not ask for 1 k.

Anyway, Back to the Latina, I told her if she leaves I'm not giving her anything because we agreed on X hours and its only been 10-15 minutes. So she left, thinking I would simp out and offer her something. She text me back, 20 minutes later saying she wants to do it for the full agreed X hours. Then I told her it would be clocked with a timer. She agreed, came back and I fucked her brains out for X hours straight.

Later that day I texted her and setup another date 3 days later and she agreed. Now I'm fucking her brains out for X hours straight without complaint from her, while she's walking out on other guys after the first round.

You don't have to let these girls walk all over you. Get an Alarm Clock Timer and start it in-front of them.

It will be the last day you get disappointed. The sooner everyone starts doing this, the more normalized it will be. Then everyone wins.

I started a sugar daddy network couple of years ago with referral system by forming a daddy group. But many daddies in the group screwed up by paying more and more as SetoMan mentioned.

Its a very simple concept, if every daddy stays firm on $200 for a girl / woman or single mom up to 35 yo with 7 rating and younger hotter chicks with $300, it will absolutely work.

Daddies should be in control of the prices as daddies are the one that is paying.

[QUOTE=SetoMan;7342434]Fellas, This right here IS THE PROBLEM.

This is why GPS HAPPENS!

You have a girl who is new and like most girls who are their prices are low.

What do most guys do, they EGO and try to "save / impress her" and give her more than what she's fine with.

What ends up happening is: She wants 250, you give her 100 more. Now she's thinking wait a minute for my next arrangement I can actually get 350.

So the next guy is now paying Troy's Tax that he imposed. That next guy then goes you did such a good job, here's 100 more.

Now she's thinking, wow I can get 450. Now the guys after that are paying the next guy's TAX.

Before you know it, in 3-6 months she is now asking for 600,800, 1000!

What you guys don't understand is, WE ARE THE STOCK MARKET.

We determine THE PRICES. We determine weather it goes up or down..[/QUOTE]

Has an interesting approach to interpersonal relations. I mean, everyone gets the bowl he's looking for, he seems to be able to get some SBs who fit into his zeitgeist.

I'd say it isn't for most guys though. Even if it would keep sugar lower, it is unlikely to be widely adopted. I personally want to have a more collaborative and positive interaction w / SBs, who I am really trying to keep on an ongoing basis. Because they like me (other than that awesome sex we're having), and we enjoy each other's company. I have a bowl buddy in GA who basically gets his girl (who he commits to long-term, gets tested so there's no problem w / bare, etc.) for free and sticks w / her for a few years. I've had multiple arrangements of 9 months or so. I just FCed today w / my current heartthrob, OMG she is a smoking hot 21 year old ballerina, and pretty much a nymphomaniac. She lives at home w / a very repressed family. Definite daddy issues. We never talked allowance, I give her 240 and she is ecstatic, & she is going out and buying ballet gear, lingerie, and sex toys. LOL. I'd see this girl forever if it works out. These are the girls you need to be looking for.

Gentlemen, I need some guidance on one of the basics: What age group are the girls most interested in?

I'm way below 50 and having some challenges bagging early 20's. May be partially due to my limited account. I got burned once by a scammer and won't be making the same mistake.

There is one 19 yo I'm very much interested in. We exchanged numbers but it's radio silence on her part. I've confirmed phone number is actually hers, and found her socials. Seems to be a "God-fearing" girl and might have picked up my intentions early on LOL.

Another 19 yo college girl closed the door on anything sexual before the meet up. I wished her well. Several days before the conversation, she either blocked me or deleted her SA account. Might be legit not into anything sexual with anyone.

Another 24 yo single mom, after chatting for a week consistently, brought up seeking an actual relationship. She was open to explore but I don't want to lead anybody so I stopped responding. Such a shame because there was some considerable sexual tension.

I am beginning to think I'm too young for sugaring in the girls' eyes, and they're fleeing not taking it seriously.

[QUOTE=CrazyRocket;7343959]Gentlemen, I need some guidance on one of the basics: What age group are the girls most interested in?

I'm way below 50 and having some challenges bagging early 20's. May be partially due to my limited account. I got burned once by a scammer and won't be making the same mistake.

There is one 19 yo I'm very much interested in. We exchanged numbers but it's radio silence on her part. I've confirmed phone number is actually hers, and found her socials. Seems to be a "God-fearing" girl and might have picked up my intentions early on LOL.

Another 19 yo college girl closed the door on anything sexual before the meet up. I wished her well. Several days before the conversation, she either blocked me or deleted her SA account. Might be legit not into anything sexual with anyone.

Another 24 yo single mom, after chatting for a week consistently, brought up seeking an actual relationship. She was open to explore but I don't want to lead anybody so I stopped responding. Such a shame because there was some considerable sexual tension.

I am beginning to think I'm too young for sugaring in the girls' eyes, and they're fleeing not taking it seriously.[/QUOTE]When you say way below 50, like are you 40? Or 30? 19 year old and 21 and below are just a hit and miss in general.

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[QUOTE=PeterPan;7344023]When you say way below 50, like are you 40? Or 30? 19 year old and 21 and below are just a hit and miss in general.[/QUOTE]In my early 30's. Women 30+ and 40+ are more responsive. 20's, not so much. There are some hot 40+ women around my area, but most of them suffer from GPS.

[QUOTE=SetoMan;7343690]
But when a guy comes and says he won't give them anything if they leave before the agreed time, its "kidnapping". No wonder girls are asking for 1 k. I had a girl ask for 3 k the other day. Its unbelievable. Guys will throw money at girls for doing literally nothing. So from their POV why not ask for 1 k.
[/QUOTE]I'm in total agreement with you on not spending in excess. $300 is my max and I really don't want to pay that.

But just recognize everyone doesn't have a problem with getting a baby to stay a certain amount of time.

For some it's the total opposite. For some, the problem is trying to keep a baby from wanting MORE time and attention and figuring out how to dial them back a notch.

Food for thought!

Hey everyone, Dave here, new SugarLifeNow chocolate girl in Atlanta. Her name is Janiya, she's 19. Loves being pounded. Hasn't done anal, but is curious about it. Will consider BBFS.

[URL]https://sugarlifenow.com/profile/slimniya/[/URL]

PM me if interested in my new ambassador program.

[QUOTE=Eslide3;7344074]How is this of any benefit to anyone else here?[/QUOTE]It reinforces something a lot of guys simply cannot comprehend: you can find hot SBs in their 20's for a reasonable allowance, despite a lot of guys insistence that "all the good ones" (usually they mean 20's, white, petite) are 600 plus. Farfaraway is just confiming what a few of us have been saying for awhile: you can have a lot of success in the Atlanta market for between 200-300 with some effort.

[QUOTE=CrazyRocket;7344220]In my early 30's. Women 30+ and 40+ are more responsive. 20's, not so much. There are some hot 40+ women around my area, but most of them suffer from GPS.[/QUOTE]Us oldsters will often say that the incompetence of most men in the age-peer group of our target SBs is the reason we are successful. These girls have just had bad experiences w / guys who are broke, who are mama's boys, who want to be coddled, etc. The POTs want someone alpha (and that doesn't mean dominant. They're not looking to get knocked around), they want someone to admire and respect, and they likely want someone who is highly experienced and skilled in the sack. That last one, I'd give essentially every dude here the benefit of the doubt on, but it isn't obvious when a girl is just reading a dude's profile.

These sites (seeking, whatsyourprice, and their clones), they really are for the older guy / younger girl dynamic. Because that existed long before the sites.