Massage Parlor Reports

Although most of us seek a massage with a ending that can be happy or extremely happy, it is still the RIGHT of the provider to offer whatever level of service that she is comfortable with. She is not obligated to have sex with you, she is not obligated to suck your dick, or even jerk you off so that you can cum all over her hand. She is not obligated to allow your hands to roam all over her body. Some of you may complain about getting nothing even though the provider posted an ad that could be very sexually suggestive. It`s called ADVERTISING! Her job is to get your business, and to get as much of your money as possible. It`s no different then a peep show, or some strip clubs where the women will lead you to believe that "anything is possible". Next time you go into a strip club, pay attention to all the guys who are being ignored by the girls. If they see a guy is not buying drinks for the other girls, and not getting private dances, they will ignore that guy. It`s the guy who is spending money who gets the attention, and they will keep giving you the attention as long as you are spending money on them, not because they think you are such a nice guy. And that "attention" can be anything from just talking to you and rubbing your leg, up to fucking you in a back room.

IM,
I don't think we are so far apart on whether to tip and NOT take out the relative lack of service for the high price one paid at the door on the attendant who gets to see very little if any of that, as Larry seemed to be suggesting. I also certainly agree with Speed that it is always the woman's right to decide how far she is willing to go, whether it be a dancer or an AMP attendant or anyone else, and I don't think anyone here was ever suggesting anything else. Where I think I may differ with you guys is not on whether to tip or not but whether to keep going back or to keep on tipping, if you're not getting whatever you're hoping it will get you. That is the customer's right. There's an expression "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me".

Yes, its a job or their business to make money off of guys any way they can, but some do it more honestly than others. Some do it by making the customer THINK they'll get WAY more than they actually will, but then not delivering. They operate on the principle that "there's a sucker born every minute". OTOH, there are others that actually deliver more or less just like they suggested they would. And they operate on the principle that "a satisfied customer is one that will keep coming back".

But however they do their various jobs, we also have a role to play as consumers and that is to get as much as possible or as much quality as possible for the least cost. And, since these various providers do vary in how much they'll provide, it behooves us to try to stick to the ones that actually deliver the highest quality service for the lowest possible price. And I think THAT is Larry's real point.

Most of the time, most of us around here accomplish that by trading knowledge as to which providers (AMPs, stripclub dancers, escorts, etc.) actually deliver quality or value. We then avoid the known rip-offs and seek out the ones we know are good. Occassionally, we'll take a CHANCE on a new provider or one that has not been reviewed on the hopes that we will discover a new resource with whom we can repeat (as Roy tried to do here). It can be a big risk, but if you want to try something new in this hobby that is just what you sometimes have to do.

Now if it turns out that new AMP or AMP attendant you just tried doesn't offer any extras or demands $$ for a CBJ or that dancer, who convinced you to take her in the back VIP for $150 on the vague promise of your being "fully satisfied", winds up only giving you a private lap dance and maybe a little FF, well you just have to write that off as a "gotcha moment" or a TOFTT. It just comes with the territory. If you're satisfied paying so much for so little, then by all means keep going back for more, but most of us expect and demand more for our hard-earned dollars.

Its one thing to tip the AMP attendant some token amount because she did at least give you some sort of massage and its not like the AMP itself is paying her for that. BUT Its another thing to go back and repeat with her because you expect the outcome to be any different the next time around. Sometimes it might be because the attendant just needed to feel more comfortable with you. But how long should that really take - 1 visit, 2 visits, 5? The reality is that there are plenty of places you can go where the attendant (or dancer at a strip club) will feel comfortable enough with you during your first visit. And the reality is if an attendant somehow suggests to you that more might be on the menu next time it MIGHT be true but it is AT LEAST as likely (and probably much more) that if she was really ever going to do anything with you she would have done it the first time and is really only stringing you along in the hopes that you'll have done several more sessions with her (possibly tipping more and more each time) before you finally figured out that it aint never gonna happen. Your odds are probably much better just starting from scratch with another provider, however unproven, than possibly throwing more good money after bad with a provided who has proven at least once that she won't do any extras. And even if you do eventually get that "wary" provider to open up, on your next visit (and I certainly wouldn't give her any more 2nd chances than that), you have to factor in the cost of all the sessions leading up to when she finally cracks on top of the cost of whatever sessions you do with her after that. So it can wind up being a lot more expensive way to get what you want.
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But lets look at Roy's particular experience.

He said he got a good massage for $70 for one hour. He tipped an additional $20 but that was probably to be decent about it rather than because he felt it was really worth $90 for just a regular massage. And I get the sense he would NOT go back just for the massage, because he wanted others to confirm something other than just a massage was available before he went back. Larry was definitely right in at least one thing he said. If all you're getting is a regular massage than it makes a LOT more sense to go to a regular provider (ie a legitimate LMT) where a really good professional massage costs just ~$40 (plus tip) rather than a place where you're already paying $70 before any tip for a massage from an untrained masseuse (even if she does a pretty good job for an amateur).

Roy also said he wasn't really all that horny that day so he didn't come on to her at all. Well then, I have to wonder why he chose that day to go to that provider. If all he was really looking for was a regular massage why didn't he go for a $40 massage somewhere else? And, even if he wasn't all that horny that day, if he went there with the idea that she might provide extras if not that day then on possible future visits, then the time to have probed to at least see what was possible was during that first session.

But even without Roy coming on to this gal, there should have been other clues. How was she dressed? Skirt, shorts or pants? Bare legs or panty hose that would make accessing her nether regions or even just bare skin more difficult? Was she wearing a sexy or at least somewhat sexy outfit that exposed at least some skin for him to possibly reach out and touch to start things off, or a boring full-body nurse type outfit? Since he didn't try to test her out by at least reaching back once or twice to stroke her legs or buttocks, did she at least do anything to make him think he could? Like "accidentally" let her bust or the side of her leg rub against him as she moved around the table? Was he partially clothed or "draped" or fully exposed the whole time of the massage? Did she ever "accidentally" or even purposefully touch his penis (a popular tactic of some)? When he turned over or she finished massaging his front did she even vaguely ask if there was anything/where else that he wanted her to "take care of"? And for those who favor the long drawn out campaigns, did she ever say anything to even suggest that maybe they could do something more the next time?

I'm guessing that the answers to most if not all of those questions are in the negative or Roy would have brought them up. And I'd imagine even you guys who think it would be worth going back to see a provider a second time, would at least expect some of those positive signs to be there the first time around or you wouldn't hold out any hope for the second time.

I'm sure some of you guys may still disagree but I think in Roy's particular case he's still barking up the wrong tree.

[QUOTE=Chase Star] Was she wearing a sexy or at least somewhat sexy outfit that exposed at least some skin for him to possibly reach out and touch to start things off, or a boring full-body nurse type outfit? Since he didn't try to test her out by at least reaching back once or twice to stroke her legs or buttocks, did she at least do anything to make him think he could? Like "accidentally" let her bust or the side of her leg rub against him as she moved around the table? Was he partially clothed or "draped" or fully exposed the whole time of the massage? Did she ever "accidentally" or even purposefully touch his penis (a popular tactic of some)? When he turned over or she finished massaging his front did she even vaguely ask if there was anything/where else that he wanted her to "take care of"? [/QUOTE]

I must be hard up. This paragraph made me horny. LOL

Well done, Chase Star. You are right. No signals from Helen that more may be available. She was dressed in tight capris, high heels, and tight top. Sexy dress but not accessible for touching flesh. During the massage no "accidental" touching in the private areas. I wore my underpants and she covered me with a towel. No touching with her breast. No leaning close so I could smell and sense her close to me. No sexual inuendos. Nothing.

I will concede. I took one for the team.

However, she is cute. Some may even say pretty or beautiful. Very personable. A good massage. She even applied heated towels to my aching back. I am thinking to just telephone her and ask " Is more available"? Any thoughts on that? Actually, that would probably constitute "solicitation". Right?

[QUOTE=Royboy52]Well done, Chase Star. You are right. No signals from Helen that more may be available. She was dressed in tight capris, high heels, and tight top. Sexy dress but not accessible for touching flesh. During the massage no "accidental" touching in the private areas. I wore my underpants and she covered me with a towel. No touching with her breast. No leaning close so I could smell and sense her close to me. No sexual inuendos. Nothing.

I will concede. I took one for the team.

However, she is cute. Some may even say pretty or beautiful. Very personable. A good massage. She even applied heated towels to my aching back. I am thinking to just telephone her and ask " Is more available"? Any thoughts on that? Actually, that would probably constitute "solicitation". Right?[/QUOTE]Dude; I don't know which team you play for, but you DID NOT, take one for the team!

"I wore my underpants and she covered me with a towel"...WTF!!

Who in their right mind would keep their underwear on looking for "extras"?? Did you think she would make the first move and say: "Please remove your tidy whities big boy, so I can massage everything"

Keeping your panties on signaled to her you are: a.) either a prude; b.) Uncle Leo; or c.) you have something you're hiding in your shorts you don't want touched.

Either way you weren't going to get her to do anything outside the boundaries of a legit massage.

Just my .02 cents

HD2007

Thanks Harley2007! You are right! That is exactly where I went wrong! She left me alone in the room to undress. I didn't see a towel or any clothing left by her so I left my underpants on. I should have simply taken off my underpants and waited for her to come back in. Then. Up to her. I knew if I kept pondering this an answer would come! Thanks for all the good advice on the board!

Harley,

Take it easy on my friend Roy. However he handled it, or okay in some ways mishandled it, at least HE was willing to take some chance with a completely unknown provider who for all he knew before going in MIGHT have provided extras. That chance ended up being a losing gamble, at least in terms of getting any extras. But, DESPITE THAT, he was willing to take his lumps reporting back to us the details of his encounter so that we all could learn what we could from it on whether to go with this provider ourselves.

I don't know how you define "Taking One For The Team", but in my book that is as close to being a textbook example as one can find. When was the last time you had a really disappointing encounter (which most of us have had from time to time if we've ever taken any chances on completely unknown providers) AND more importantly shared that with anyone here (after all what difference does it make to the team if you don't pass on what you found out)? I'm betting you never have. Before you do that yourself, you're not really in a position to lecture anyone else about TOFTT.

Okay, ROY made some real rookie mistakes. However, I can tell you from knowing Roy personally that he is FAR from being a complete rookie at this hobby, having logged more time playing this game in FOREIGN markets than probably 99% of you. He does seem to be a bit green at playing it closer to home, but then so are a lot of other guys who post on and/or read this forum. What that calls for is constructive criticism, not mockery, so that he can do the job better next time.

Roy,
I can sorta understand where you're coming from with the undies. You didn't know whether she was a provider that only did legit massages or was open to anything else and for all you knew it MIGHT have been a sting (though I'd think that extremely unlikely), so you didn't want to go too far too early. I'm also sure there was an element of bashfulness involved. I know I always feel more awkward when I'm completely naked and the other person is fully clothed. HOWEVER, this was the time for BOLDNESS not bashfulness. Even a legit provider has seen naked bodies before. BTW, IMHO Harley's saying you were acting prudish is being rather harsh, as I'm sure lots of people (perhaps even most) leave their undies on when going for a LEGIT massage. But Harley is absolutely right that acting like one of those people is NOT the way to signal you're looking for something EXTRA.

And lets face it, we talk about the risks we take by going to these unknown providers but at least we can sometimes find reviews on some of them. But the risks are nearly always much much greater on the provider side. Reviews of hobbyists are virtually non-existent except perhaps for the girl-to-girl talk that goes on in shops after a guy has left (or sometimes even before if the girl steps out of the room for a moment) and then is only useful if the guy comes back. So, from the provider standpoint practically every customer, except for the repeats, is an unknown risk. Even worse, the risk of arrest by undercover LEO is much greater for them than being nabbed in a reverse sting is for us. So we usually HAVE to give them at least SOME indications we might be interested in extras to get the ball moving, rather than relying on them to take the chance in blindly making the first move every time.

So whenever they ask you to "get as comfortable as you like", unless all you really ONLY want is JUST a straight massage, toss modesty to the wind and get COMPLETELY naked. While some people leave their undies on for STRAIGHT massages from legit LMT's, PLENTY of people don't and you won't be showing to any LMT anything that they haven't seen before (though you'll probably still want to get face down on the table quickly rather than standing with your hands on your rotating hips, your pelvis thrust out doing twirling windmills with your pecker:)). You probably wouldn't want to do this when the nurse at your doctor's office asks you to roll up your sleeve so she can give you a shot, but when going for a massage it wouldn't be completely inappropriate and you certainly wouldn't get arrested for indecent exposure. Besides, thats the whole reason why they offer "draping", so that they can [u]cover it back up[/u] (and move the towel around to expose various parts of your body as needed as the massage progresses). IMHE, its usually either/or and both leaving your undies on AND requesting a drape is sort of like wearing both pants and suspenders - kinda a bit over precautious.

Personally, I still think it is unlikely this provider would have done any extras EVEN IF Roy had gotten naked. Capri pants, while tight and sexy looking, are not exactly as inviting to reaching out and touching someone as say shorts or a skirt. And they are not so easily removed. Add to that the complete lack of any welcoming signals on her part, even rather safe and innocent ones, to start the "dance" where Roy could have added the next move suggests to me that this just wasn't that type of provider. Naturally, I could be completely wrong but that is just my take on it.

Lastly, regarding her calling her up. First of all, I think we can be very sure she's not a cop, so unless her phone or yours is tapped, even if you said something illegal, who's to know besides you and her. I seriously doubt you'd get arrested for it. Secondly, even if the phones were tapped, unless you're really stupid and specific, I seriously doubt you even could be charged with anything. Solicitation requires specifically offering money for sex. If you were to ask her in a vague way over the phone "Is "more" available?" and then left her to infer what "more" meant, how could anyone prove you were really talking about sex. OTOH, don't expect you'll get the answers you want. Most likely, she'll either tell you flat out no (in which case, mystery solved) or, not wanting to entrap herself either feign ignorance and ask YOU to be more specific over the phone (which gets dicey) or be vague herself in her answers with something unsatisfying like "well, we can talk about that when you get here". The time to have really asked to find out was when you were with her face-to-face the first time.

Experiences like Roy's are probably not all that uncommon, so I thought it might be helpful for some to make a list of some of the sorts of things to do and/or look out for when going to an AMP to increase your liklihood of success. I know for most of the regular posters much of this is old hat, but it could help some of the newbies lurking out there. BTW, I'm FAR from being an expert on this area, so you guys with much more experience and expertise than me feel free to weigh in with critiques and/or additions you think are needed:

[b]1) ADVANCE RESEARCH[/b] If you aren't prepared to risk TOFTT, then stick to AMPs that you've been to before and are proven or at least ones that have been reviewed. But if you feel you just HAVE to try out a new unknown place or provider, then it becomes even more critical to follow the rest of this list.

[b]2) BEFORE YOU LEAVE HOME[/b] - SHOWER and otherwise make yourself presentable. This is a little less critical if you plan to get a table shower once there, but even then you don't want to show up in sweaty smelly clothes. No provider is going to like having to rub her hands all over the body of a stinky guy or one who doesn't take care of his hygiene. Similarly, you might want to brush your teeth before going, not that your mouth is directly involved in the massage, but having bad breath certainly won't add to a favorable impression (or lead to any DFK later if that's what you're into). Personally speaking I think this is probably FAR worse of a problem on the girls part, who often have kimchee breath (at least I hope its just kimchee) and DFK is usually not on MY menu of what I want to do with any AMP girl, YMMV.

[b]3) BEFORE ENTERING[/b] Few if any AMPs or providers will actually steal from their customers, but why tempt fate? Don't bring any extra cash (or credit cards or jewelry) into the place then you need to pay the bill and what you might be prepared to tip. Also, if you bring your cellphone in with you, it might be a good idea to turn it off or put it on vibrate so if someone calls during your session it won't disrupt it (or anyone else's)

[b]4) BEEN THERE, DONE THAT[/b] -When you enter the place, if or when they ask if you've ever been there before ALWAYS say you have. If they ask for details (like which attendant you were with) be vague - say it has been a while (unless you know the place just opened) and you don't remember her name (unless of course you HAD been there recently and DO remember her name). This provides them with greater assurance, albeit still imperfect, that you aren't a cop. Of course, this ruse does not work so well if we're talking about a private practitioner rather than an actual shop.

[b]5) SEE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING BEFORE BUYING[/b] - Hopefully, you know the door rates from reading reviews or past visits, but if its one of those unreviewed situations where you're pretending to be a past customer just act like you forgot. However, it is usually $60 for a half hour or $80 for an hour around here. Perhaps the most important part about door rates or base fees is NEVER pay at the window WITHOUT seeing who will actually be giving you your massage. Some AMPs are very secretive about these things (usually because their attendants are all old or ugly). INSIST on seeing BEFORE paying any money. Sometimes they'll say the girl is busy with another customer (particularly a problem in smaller shops with limited attendants), in which case ask for HOW LONG and then decide whether you want to wait, come back or try again on another day. Figure they may underestimate how long the girl really has left with her other customer for fear of losing you and you walking out the door.

[b]6) HOW A GIRL DRESSES CAN SAY A LOT ABOUT HER[/b] - Its not just about whether the attendant is pretty enough to spark your interest. Ideally she should also be dressed in a manner to at least suggest this is going to be more than just a massage. I've seen places where the girls all wear bikini tops and shorts or skirt (w/o hose), other places where they wear lingerie, other places wear they wear some sort of attendant uniform (like a maid or nurse style dress, again w/o hose). Of course, the sexier the outfit the less likely this will be just a therapeutic massage, but it is still no guarantee that it won't be just false advertising intended to make you THINK more will be on the table. At the very least they should be showing at least a little skin that you could conceivably reach out and touch (to send your signal of interest). IMHO, any form of long pants is not a very positive sign.

[b]7) GETTING COMFORTABLE[/b] - Once you get in the room, the girl will usually ask for the house fee, assuming they haven't already taken your money at the door. Once you pay her, she'll usually ask you to get comfortable and then disappear for a while to get towels, hand the money in, get change or whatever. Sometimes this can take a few minutes. Personally, I'd find this time a bit awkward, standing around naked in a room at a strange place, wondering whether I'm gonna get the session I'm expecting or simply wondering what the heck is taking so long and whether all that time she seems to be taking getting back to me is going to count against the time I just paid for. Any way this is the part we were talking about before about being the time to toss modesty aside and get COMPLETELY naked. I can't say for anglo MPs, but I think you can be pretty sure that korean woman with the heavy accent is not undercover LEO and you're getting naked helps assure her that you aren't either

[b]8 ) TO TABLE SHOWER OR NOT TO TABLE SHOWER[/b] - for many guys this is one of the best parts of going to an AMP. Even if you could take it or leave it, it has other advantages such as a) the girl will know you're fresh and clean before having to rub her hands all over your body and b) if there is any possibility of extras being on the table she will pay at least some attention to your private area and the degree to which she does will help you assess how open she might be to extras. The possible negative of going for the table shower is that it can eat into your massage and extras time, particularly if you only went for a half hour session (and at some places more delays that eat into your time while WAITING for them in the TS room). As I said before, at the very least, you want to shower shortly before going to the AMP or other provider, so that you're fresh and clean for her AND THEN TELL HER that you have if turning down the table shower.

[b]9) VERBAL BANTER[/b] - what you say can be just as important as what you do. You may not want to come right out and say "Let's fuck" as soon as she somes into the room (then again maybe you would), but you can and should make some suggestive comments right from the beginning, like telling her not just how pretty she is, but how sexy she looks or how much you like her legs, or breast or butt. And even if your comments are completely innocuous (at least to start), you could lead in with some light conversation. I know some of these gals speak little english, but most can usually manage such hackneyed questions as "how long you in america?" "how long you here?" "You likey work here?" (okay maybe you wouldn't say it quite that way even though she might). While not necessarily directly opening up the topic of extras, at the very least it will help relax the situation for both of you, let her know you are interested in her as a person and allow her to see you as more than just a slab of meat on her massage table. Then you can work your "tits and ass compliments" in a little later as the massage gets underway. If you think time is getting short and things need to be sped up, at some point you may even want to get even more suggestive or explicit in your comments ("We sucky and fucky now?":)), but try to exercise judgment on how crass you can get based on what signals she's been putting out. In other words that last comment probably wouldn't be appropriate if she hasn't done anything to suggest she might be at all interested in that.

[b]10) REACH OUT AND TOUCH SOMEONE[/b] - Hopefully she will have already started to send out signals from the beginning (e.g. by making extra sure your johnson was particularly clean during the table shower) but even if she hasn't it is never too early to start sending out signals of your own (e.g. reaching out to stroke her leg while you're still on your belly during the table shower). If it is at a regular masseuse or private practitioner (ie where a table shower isn't even on the table) and you do this, the worst that will happen is that you'll get politely rebuffed (in which case you might want to just settle in for a regular massage) or even more firmly rebuffed if you persist. But its not like with even regular legit masseuses they probably don't get regular come-ons, particularly if they're attractive and dressed even semi-sexily, so there's really little downside for at least trying.

It can get a little tricky doing some of this while lying on your belly. For example reaching backwards and upwards to touch their breast can be especially awkward. I find it helps to try and preposition your arms, although the masseuse may require you to keep your arms up or down depending on what part of the body she's trying to work.

For the most part, you may want to keep your arms down by your sides and as out towards the edges of the table as possible. That way you might start by simply letting your fingers touch her while she bumps against the side of the table. Then you might let your hands drift off the table to touch her legs or even ass if you can reach it.

The best time to play with her ass is actually when she moves around to the head of the table so she can do your neck and shoulders. If you've moved your arms up so that they're on either side of your head., it should be really easy to just reach forward and around to feel up her butt.

One other arm position to consider is if and when she actually gets up on the table with you (note this is something most LMT's don't normally have to do). The key here is not allow your arms to get trapped. So you might want to move them up to either side of your first and then as she settles down on your butt or lower legs, you can reach back to stroke her thighs, ass or lower legs. BTW, how much she settles down on to your body is another sign to look for. Does she only kneel on the table to your side or between your legs or does she really settle on your butt so you can feel her own ass and/or crotch squish down on yours? Actually, if she's only half-sitting on the table with the upper part of one leg and asscheek on the table with the other foot still on the floor, while leaning in to work your body, that would be a good time to reach back along the inner thigh of the leg on the table and toward her crotch. Piratical, did any of this turn you on? :)

[b]11) PASSIVE MOVEMENTS YOU CAN MAKE[/b] - The last item was about things you can do to actively initiate suggestive contact. There are also some things you can do passively that will encourage suggestive contact on her part. For example, one thing that I can think of that you might want to try doing is, when lying down on the table, try leaving your dick pointing downward towards your feet and your legs partially spread so that your dick is at least partially exposed from behind. This might encourage or at least better enable her to touch it when she gets down to that part of your body. Then when she's working your legs, particularly the upper back or even inner thighs, try deliberately and obviously spreading your legs a little wider to encourage her to delve deeper. If she does delve deeper you might even also try lifting your pelvis off the table a little bit to encourage her to reach underneath and play with your dick a little bit.

[b]12) INITIATE ACTIONS EARLY IN THE SESSION[/b] - It is important to start dropping your hints (or respond to the signals she started) as early in the session as possible. If the signals are strong enough, or you know from past direct experience or reviews, that more is on the menu and you're not much interested in the massage part you might even suggest the flip and "full-body" part yourself earlier in the session or even from the first get-go. But even if you're still just feeling each other out, you need to start sending the signals early in order to allow her sufficient time to act on it and not wind up with a rushed HJ in the final 2 minutes of your hour. And that might happen anyway, if you leave it to her to be completely in charge of the pace of the session. Plus, if its a matter of popping your load "too early", they'll nearly always do more massage after that if you want so you get your full hour's worth.

[b]13) ALWAYS RESPECT HER LIMITS[/b] - this is somewhat like a dance. You probably don't want to start out by simply ramming your finger through her panties and into her pussy and saying "Let's fuck now". More likely, at least the first time you and her each drop some subtle and some not so subtle hints in a progressive manner.

See how she reacts to all of this. Does she respond with a gentle scolding, "no no no" and a finger wag? Not a great sign. Or by moving your hand back on the table? More of a mixed signal, as she just may want to finish doing the massage properly before moving on to other things. Or does she let you do what you want without any comment or maybe even smile and joke about it? Definitely much more positive.

If the latter is the case, you can try to get even more forward, like by letting your hand slip between their legs and up under the skirt to her pantied crotch (assuming she's wearing a skirt). If you discover she isn't wearing any panties, then you know you've really struck gold and you might even try for the FF, but usually they'll make you wait for later before they let you go that far (after all they don't want to give too much away for free).

OTOH, if its the former case, then its like Speedracer said. You just gotta accept your losses. And if the attendant is not making anything off of your mistake in going there, as IM said, then its not really fair to take your frustration out on her by not tipping her anything for time and effort.

[b]14) TIPPING[/b] - at some point hopefully not too close to the end of your session, the attendant will ask you to flip over and will briefly massage your front. If that's all there is, that might be all there is. But if that's all she does then its time for you to force the issue by specifically asking her if she will do anything extra for you. Now, probably begins the next stage of the dance, with each of you more or less coyly saying what you have in mind. She may do something like stroke your upper thigh and lower belly while asking if there anywhere else that you need massaged or she might even actually start stroking your dick while asking what else you want. One way to approach it would to take her hand and move it to your dick, if she was dancing around that. Or you might use hand gestures to indicate what you have in mind (like moving your hand up and down towards your mouth to indicate a bj or sliding your index finger in and out of your partially clenched other hand to indicate fucking) or you might come right and say it. The latter can be a little dicey because you never can be sure what sort of monitoring devices and possibly recorders they might have hidden about the room. You also probably don't want to say it too loud because the walls can be pretty thin in those places. After that she may nod her head or otherwise indicate her possible willingness by asking you how much you're willing to pay or again using hand gestures to indicate how much she expects for what you just asked for (e.g. 1 finger might mean $100, 1 and 5 $150 or 2 fingers $200, etc.)

I gather that $120 on top of the $80 door fee is considered a good price around here for a CBJ and FS, but that price differs from shop to shop and region to region and I've heard of some girls asking MUCH more than that at some shops around town. You should find out (if possible) what an acceptable would be for where your going and what you expect to get so that you can avoid overpaying and screwing up the market for your fellow consumers. Maybe the others can give better advice here, but I think this comes down largely to how you feel comfortable handling it

[b]15) COMING BACK[/b] -this is where I have a difference of opinion with some of the others. If you had a good session or at least you are happy with what you got and what you had to pay for it, then certainly you should consider repeating with that shop or provider. You can probably expect the same level or service (or possibly better) on your next visit. OTOH, if you did not get what you were hoping for, should you go back on the HOPE that it will be better the next time. If the provider flatly refused to do what everything you wanted her to do and gave no reason at all for you to expect that to change, then IMHO you'd be a fool to go back again and expect anything different. Sometimes the provider will tell you that the reason she wouldn't do certain things was because she didn't know you well enough and that if you come back maybe she'll do more. She MAY be telling the truth but IMHO it is just as likely if not more that is just a tactic to keep you coming back to spend more money and you'll never get much more than you already did. But even if it does take her longer to warm up to you, IMHO, she'd have to be really special to warrant that sort of investment because a) you still don't know how many visits it would take before she's ready to do what you want to do (if ever) and b) there are plenty of other providers who don't require multiple visits (and multiple session fees and tips) before they will open up to you.

[QUOTE=Chase Star]
While some people leave their undies on for STRAIGHT massages from legit LMT's, PLENTY of people don't and you won't be showing to any LMT anything that they haven't seen before (though you'll probably still want to get face down on the table quickly rather than standing with your hands on your rotating hips, your pelvis thrust out doing twirling windmills with your pecker:)).[/QUOTE]



If I was getting a straight massage from a legit LMT, I would prefer to be bare ass naked. What would make me uncomfortable is if my flag pole was at full staff which I can guarentee would happen. Although I am sure the LMT has seen it happen many times before, I would still be embarrassed. With draping, it would be easier to keep the flag pool lowered. In all reality, it`s no different than when a womans nipples are erect, just with us it`s more noticeable.

[QUOTE=Chase Star] I thought it might be helpful for some to make a list of some of the sorts of things to do and/or look out for when going to an AMP to increase your liklihood of success. [/QUOTE]Great job Chase.

This should be posted as a welcome letter to all those visiting this forum.

At least this message should be re-posted every couple of weeks for newbies.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

[QUOTE=Chase Star]
[b]2) BEFORE YOU LEAVE HOME[/b] - SHOWER and otherwise make yourself presentable. This is a little less critical if you plan to get a table shower once there, but even then you don't want to show up in sweaty smelly clothes. No provider is going to like having to rub her hands all over the body of a stinky guy or one who doesn't take care of his hygiene.

[b]5) SEE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING BEFORE BUYING[/b] - Hopefully, you know the door rates from reading reviews or past visits, but if its one of those unreviewed situations where you're pretending to be a past customer just act like you forgot. However, it is usually $60 for a half hour or $80 for an hour around here. Perhaps the most important part about door rates or base fees is NEVER pay at the window WITHOUT seeing who will actually be giving you your massage. Some AMPs are very secretive about these things (usually because their attendants are all old or ugly). INSIST on seeing BEFORE paying any money. Sometimes they'll say the girl is busy with another customer (particularly a problem in smaller shops with limited attendants), in which case ask for HOW LONG and then decide whether you want to wait, come back or try again on another day.[/QUOTE]


I have said it before, and I will say it again. ALWAYS go for the TS if it is offered. A few minutes "lost" in the shower can pay bigger dividends once back in the room and the provider knows you are clean. Even if you showered 1 hour earlier, if you are a smoker, you may stink of tobacco and not even realize it. Trust me when I say this, as a non-smoker, I can instantly smell the stench of tobacco on anyone who is close to me. If your provider is also a non-smoker, she is going to smell it also and it WILL affect your session.
#5......SEE BEFORE BUYING is where I always make a mistake. Almost always when going to a new place, I will "hope for the best" and pay up front. I would feel awkward asking for a line-up, then saying "I changed my mind, will be back another time". I look at it as if i`m saying, "no, you are too ugly, I dont want you". I wouldn`t be the first to walk away, but I would hate doing it.
As for the rest of this post by CHASE, all you newbies and those of you with limited expierence at AMPS, you need to print this post, keep a copy in your car, or wherever, and refer to it whenever you venture out for some fun. I have been going to AMPS for 30 years and I found this post to be the best ever written as far as what to do, not to do, what to expect, etc. As Karl Malden used to say, 'DON`T LEAVE HOME WITHOUT IT".

That does not sound good glad I do not know what it smells like.Mouth wash is given to you and taken by your massage girl before the ts begins in all the amps up here in amp heaven Warren Ohio.

Happy Mongering .

[QUOTE=SpeedRacer29]I have said it before, and I will say it again. ALWAYS go for the TS if it is offered. ...

#5......SEE BEFORE BUYING is where I always make a mistake. ...[/QUOTE]I debated in my head which way to go on the table showers when I made my list and decided to leave a little wiggle room. I actually agree with you completely when it comes to full-hour sessions. What I had in mind when I made it optional was really just on the half hour sessions and I could have still gone either way on that.

With a full hour to work with, one should have plenty of time for the massage and the play time afterwards even if the table shower takes say 10 minutes off the beginnng of the session. And, like you said, the TS, in addition to being a pleasant experience for you, assures the attendant that you're fresh and clean and ready to get intimate with. So, in that circumstance the benefits far outweigh any possible cost.

Where I thought it could go more either way was on the shorter sessions. Between delays in your attendant coming back to your room, getting towels, getting the water running and warmed up, and god knows what else those girls sometimes do while you wind up waiting around, you can lose a fair portion of your half hour just with that, then you factor in the time it takes the girl to do a decent massage, at least 20 minutes, and the delay before she comes to the point of your visit and you may wind up with only a fairly rushed 3-5 minutes at the end for your sexual playtime. Put another way, if you do go for a half hour session AND you go for the table shower to start, then you better well be damn sure that you indicate you don't want her spending too much time on the back rub or you might never get to that HE.

Personally, while I haven't even really done that many AMP sessions in total, I've only really opted out of the TS twice. Both times were when I was going for a half hour session and I should add that both times were with a provider I had been with before. Also, as I indicated in my post, I made it a point of informing the girl at the time that I had just showered immediately before coming over (my hair was actually still damp). And since you brought it up I should also add that I'm a non-smoker. The girl didn't seem to mind too much. In fact, one time she even complimented me on how I smelled (I guess she liked the shampoo I use at home). Those are really an awful lot of caveats to consider before opting out of the TS, so perhaps I should have just said "go for the TS, no matter what".

As for the second part of your quote above, don't feel too badly. I've probably screwed up on each of these various items at one point or another in the course of my AMP education (and even continued to screw up from time to time on a couple even after I should have learned better), as I'm sure probably most of us have. That's why I don't think Roy should feel too badly about his experience. The point here is that we should all TRY to do as I say, and not as I do.

[QUOTE=Chase Star]I debated in my head which way to go on the table showers when I made my list and decided to leave a little wiggle room. I actually agree with you completely when it comes to full-hour sessions. What I had in mind when I made it optional was really just on the half hour sessions and I could have still gone either way on that.

With a full hour to work with, one should have plenty of time for the massage and the play time afterwards even if the table shower takes say 10 minutes off the beginnng of the session. And, like you said, the TS, in addition to being a pleasant experience for you, assures the attendant that you're fresh and clean and ready to get intimate with. So, in that circumstance the benefits far outweigh any possible cost.

Where I thought it could go more either way was on the shorter sessions. Between delays in your attendant coming back to your room, getting towels, getting the water running and warmed up, and god knows what else those girls sometimes do while you wind up waiting around, you can lose a fair portion of your half hour just with that, then you factor in the time it takes the girl to do a decent massage, at least 20 minutes, and the delay before she comes to the point of your visit and you may wind up with only a fairly rushed 3-5 minutes at the end for your sexual playtime. Put another way, if you do go for a half hour session AND you go for the table shower to start, then you better well be damn sure that you indicate you don't want her spending too much time on the back rub or you might never get to that HE.

Personally, while I haven't even really done that many AMP sessions in total, I've only really opted out of the TS twice. Both times were when I was going for a half hour session and I should add that both times were with a provider I had been with before. Also, as I indicated in my post, I made it a point of informing the girl at the time that I had just showered immediately before coming over (my hair was actually still damp). And since you brought it up I should also add that I'm a non-smoker. The girl didn't seem to mind too much. In fact, one time she even complimented me on how I smelled (I guess she liked the shampoo I use at home). Those are really an awful lot of caveats to consider before opting out of the TS, so perhaps I should have just said "go for the TS, no matter what".

As for the second part of your quote above, don't feel too badly. I've probably screwed up on each of these various items at one point or another in the course of my AMP education (and even continued to screw up from time to time on a couple even after I should have learned better), as I'm sure probably most of us have. That's why I don't think Roy should feel too badly about his experience. The point here is that we should all TRY to do as I say, and not as I do.[/QUOTE]

Unless she is drunk or on pills, no Korean woman is going to want to play with your junk, unless she cleans it before hand. It's not in their culture.